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Paramount
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Tue Mar 10 06:16:37
Prince Andrew has 'completely shut the door' on cooperating with Epstein investigation, prosecutor says

(CNN)Prince Andrew has "completely shut the door" on voluntarily cooperating with a US investigation into Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators, prosecutors in New York have said, despite the royal's public offers to help with any probe into the disgraced financier if required.

The US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman, said his office was "considering its options" as it continues its investigation into the convicted pedophile's circle of associates.

http://edi...estigation-gbr-intl/index.html

What options do they have? Drones?
Average Ameriacn
Member
Tue Mar 10 07:06:46
The Brits want to have a good trade deal. We can use that against them until they extradite the bastard.
Then he should be locked up in the Epstein cell. That will make him talk!
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 07:10:59
Fitting. Executive privilege is derived from Royal immunity.

Why would he cooperate?
hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 07:18:59
Regular people might think "hmmm, pedophile. Who sold access to young children. MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT OUT THIS DEN OF STICKING EVIL!?!?"

That is, unless you yourself are also evil. It makes sense not to cooperate if you're also evil.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 07:23:58
Didn't he bang loke a 17 year old e took a pic with it he denied it?
hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 07:25:18
Pretty sure 17 is legal though. Especially in Britain.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 07:33:55
SDNY wants Prince Andrew. The UK wants Anne Sacoolas.

I'm sure a transaction can be arranged.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 08:05:17
Ruggy
What is wrong with doing what Trump has so shiningly showcased? Do not cooperate evah.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 08:24:19
Jergul

Something something about how you need to he in a position of strength to pull what Trump does.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 08:24:39
To *be in
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 08:31:06
Ruggy
So Trump is safe for as long as he holds a position of power? Got it!

Though I think you are incorrect. Passive resistance through non-cooperation is a well-established and powerful tool.

Trump did invent it, but he did renew it.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 08:31:40
did not invent it*
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 08:39:04
Jergul

Trump est l'etat. The United States will always be in a position of power vis a vis the UK.

That's a nice trade deal you're proposing there Boris. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 08:44:36
But that's beside the point. Itd be in the UK's interest to do a deal. Getting Sacoolas would be a major diplomatic victory, and they'd only be losing a guy who the public associates with pedophilia in exchange (royal status also doesnt mean what it once did - the queen has shown shes perfectly happy with dis inheriting members of the family who have become liabilities).
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 08:54:01
A deal on what? The UK will not extradite someone for questioning.

It will also not extradite anyone for something that is not a crime in the UK.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 08:56:17
Jergul

Clearly we are talking about if the situation escalates to that level.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 09:19:14
I was not. But if that is the escalation route, then cooperation is basically providing evidence without the benefit of a Moranda.

Even more grounds not to humour investigator fishing trips.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 11:31:24
"Ruggy
What is wrong with doing what Trump has so shiningly showcased? Do not cooperate evah."

Agreed, my unlce taught me a long time ago, don't do the cops job cause they arent paying you.

"Ruggy
So Trump is safe for as long as he holds a position of power? Got it!"

Nah, The US court system is relativley conservative and 1/3 of which have been direct appointments.

That said. How old was the girl?

I think the term pedophile is thrown around too much today. When I was 20/21 I was fucking a girl who was a week away from 18. There was no difference from day one to 6 days later.

Also there is a huge difference in having relations with someone who is physically mature but under 18 ( or whatever age it is on the country/state) and raping an 8 yr old.

hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 11:45:48
How do people manage to defend rapists so effortlessly?


Classically, pedophilia is attraction to children 10 or younger. Colloquially, a pedophile is one guilty of statutory rape (or someone significantly old enough with someone borderline, for age of consents under 18). Hypercolloquially (aka the insult version), a pedophile is basically anyone.
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 10 12:08:45
” What is wrong with doing what Trump has so shiningly showcased? Do not cooperate evah.”

I was thinking that too. If Trump won’t cooperate then why should Prince Andrew?


”The UK will not extradite someone for questioning”

Sweden tried to have Assange extradited for questioning, but Assange said no.

Likewise, if all that the US wants is to ask some questions then they could go to the UK and ask them.

Anyhoo... I think Prince Andrew is gonna stay sway from America for some years now.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 12:27:00
Hood
I am not defending Andrew. I am pointing to one of the side-effects of executive privilege.

If its ok not to talk to investigators, then its ok not to talk to investigators.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 12:55:09
I think hood was refering to me.

I just think as a society we have gone to far.

Look at Matt Damon's case. He said

" There is a difference between patting someone on the butt and rape and or child molestation, right?" (Paraphrasing)

And was demonized by SJWs.

Even Weinstein. Some of these women repeatedly messaged him saying things like " I miss you,I want to see you again" and claim he kept raping them, if he was really raping them, why would they go back?!

Some used the excuse " I did t want to sleep with him I just wanted to better my career, and thats rape"

Thats not rape, that's whoring yourself out. Which is fine, her body her choice, but to go back and call that him.raping you after

SHE contacted him and was willing to sleep with him as long as it benefited HER career.

That's prostitution not rape.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 13:04:58
So young, but yet, so Hot Rod.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:09:08
Side note.

I got to serve Bill Cosby pudding in jail.I was working in the kitchen the night he was arrested and passed through MCCF in his way to Phoenix.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:35:18
"Even more grounds not to humour investigator fishing trips."

Yeah, as long as you say the same about Assange
hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:40:48
Matt Damon said something clearly reasonable. The degree of severity between (briefly?) inappropriately touching a backside and rape or molestation is self evident. But you'll notice he wasn't making an excuse suggesting that the butt slap shouldn't be punished, only that it shouldn't receive the same severe punishment as rape.

With Weinstein, communication between victim and abuser should never be taken at base value. People lie to protect themselves all the time; see victims of domestic abuse as a clear example.


You, however, are complaining about the use of the word "pedophile" to describe Epstein. We're talking about girls as young as 12. That clearly falls into any colloquial understanding of pedophile. Stop defending pedophiles. It's fucking nonsense.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:48:08
Ephebophiles are fine. If you're specifically attracted to those in pre/mid-puberty, younger than 14, you earn yourself a reservation for the Day of the Rope
hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:51:43
I would say 14 is still pretty young for any kind of intimate interactions. Sure, bodies may be more mature and adult like, but they're still far too underdeveloped neurologically. 16 is pushing it.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 10 14:07:59
Yeah, all depends on the gap. Even 18 is young for anyone over 25.
hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 14:34:34
Yeah definitely talking about adults. What teens do to each other doesn't really bother me. If a pair of 15 year olds get it on, so be it.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 14:49:38
Same about Assange.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 14:58:23
Hood, I wasnt talkimg about epstien or anyone specifically. Just that in general I feel.it gets overused. If a 30 year old teacher bangs her 16 old student IMHO that's not nearly as bad as say Epstien banging a 12 yr old.


Im glad you agree that Damon made a good point as many didnt agree.Its like classifying weed in with heroin.

Now as for taking things at base value. I suppose that's where I start to dislike things.

These crimes can be difficult to prove. Because of this I think people are quick to lower standards of proof, which I think is wrong.

Tulsa for example proposes a "bad BF law" which would offer higher quality legal help to accusers of rape/domestic violence.That is a terrible idea and unfair. Wr already know that most PFAs for example are false claims, one study showed over 80%. This just adds fuel to the fire.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:11:34
Hood, Also I agree with the teenager thing. Locally i remember a case on the news of teenagers charged with child porn for sending dirty pics of each other... Fucking ludicrous at goes tonmy point of the term/ law being overused.
hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:14:54
Child porn != Pedophilia.

Also, a 30 year old teacher boinking a 16 year old student is still pretty well under the colloquial pedophile umbrella. Stop defending pedophiles.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:52:59
http://www...ng-him-naked-photos/ar-BBYUXY5


Is this equally as bad as an adult having sex with a 12 year old? I dont think so.The student was probably into it.
patom
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:53:04
Habebe, we had an inmate who was banging a 16 year old. He had been banging her prior to turning 18. As soon as he turned 18 her parents had him arrested and he spent 6 mo.s in jail. Lost track of him after he got out but was curious if he ever re hooked up with her when she turned 18.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:53:49
As for the child pork, they were charges with distributing it which means it was pics of themselves.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:54:53
Tom, See thats the sort of stuff I think os out of hand.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:56:20
Should have just butchered her parents with an ax.
Seb
Member
Tue Mar 10 19:25:31
Rugian:

You are confused RE power of trade deal.

The whole point about Brexit was to exit a trade deal that was worth many, many times more than any USA UK trade deal for autonomy.

If the UK govt was going to trade autonomy for trade, we would do it with the EU, as it is worth orders of magnitude more.

Yes, it is irrational, but that's the whole point of Brexit.

You should be more worried about Boris throwing his toys out of the pram and dismantling your defense infrastructure in Diego Garcia by letting the Chinese build a massive airbase with air defense batteries the next island over in exchange for a trade deal with them.
Seb
Member
Tue Mar 10 19:30:56
Or look at it this way:

Trump couldn't use trade to pressure Boris to ban Huwawei from building 5g mobile phone networks in the UK, a position which half his party actually supports.

And you think you can get him to extradite a royal?

This is a govt that is currently actively ruling out any cooperation with Europe at all - even on fucking pandemic measures - in order to minimize the ability of the EU to ask for anything in return.

We are literally exposing ourselves to more risk of disease, in the middle of a major global pandemic, to maximise autonomy.

And you think Trump is going to be able to get them to extradite a royal.

That's hilarious.
Seb
Member
Tue Mar 10 19:33:34
Is Andrew likley a criminal? Yes.

Should we extradite him? No. The US doesn't waive diplomatic immunity, ever, apparently, so neither should we. Point of principle.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 20:03:26
I dont think Trump really givea a rats ass about Andrew one way or another.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 20:07:31
As for soveriegnty they should do what they want. Foriegners tend to not get fair trials IMO.

Remember the american chick who got railroaded in Italy?
obaminated
Member
Tue Mar 10 21:30:42
man it would be awesome if we jailed a member of the royal family who then got ass raped by crack smoking niggers for the rest of their life.
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