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Utopia Talk / Politics / Bloomberg dissapoints again
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:33:11
http://www.../bloomberg-campaign-staff.html

He promised jobs till November when hiring staffers. Even if he dropped out...then fired them.
Daemon
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:35:33
Angry ex-employee mass shooting incoming.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:45:12
Meh. You don’t become a billionaire without exploiting workers. That’s the American Way.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 10 13:46:43
Joker meme

YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 14:08:02
Yeah, hard to be sympathetic for anyone who tried to get this authoritarian piece of shit into office.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 14:35:06
Rugian, True.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Mar 10 14:42:30
LoL, Republicans loved stop and frisk. It's so easily to manipulate you guys into hating anything.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 14:47:46
R E A D Y O U R C O N T R A C T.
Daemon
Member
Tue Mar 10 14:54:09
But we have no Republicans here, only libertarians!
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:03:02
Of all of the posted here, Cuckhat is the most likely to have vociferously defended Stop & Frisk.

Certainly the Ron Paul bois weren't about that life
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:03:12
posters*
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:04:46
Forwyn, Idk, probably Jergul. He is used to living under a monarchy so he loves BB.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:05:29
Daemon is joking, but outside of Hot Rod was anyone here EVER a fan of stop and frisk?

I sure as shit wasnt. Neither was Forwyn. Not sure about other people, but I dont remember it ever being a popular policy.

Then again, maybe Dukhat thinks we supported it because we never used the leftist arguments against it? We tended to think stop and frisk was a shitty policy because it was an assault on constitutional liberties generally, not because muh African Americans were disproportionately affected by it or whatever. I doubt Dukhat has the mental capacity to make that distinction though.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 15:58:32
Habebe
Do you know Norwegians at all?

http://twi...us/1068145153033101312/photo/1

We do not like people coming within 15 feet of us. We would absolutely hate actual touching.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 16:21:39
...is that not how everyone waits for public transit?
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 16:52:23
They have actually studied this. Norwegians like 6 inches more personal space than Americans do.

I think it is considerably more where I come from.

I hate the idea of stop and frisk. It would be a violation of my personal integrity.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 16:53:07
We do not do subways here. Disgusting!
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 17:15:35
In all fairness nobodys wants to be near Norwegians, no surprise there.
hood
Member
Tue Mar 10 18:50:54
Sam was probably a fan of stop and frisk.
obaminated
Member
Tue Mar 10 21:36:36
no one here defended stop and frisk.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Mar 11 00:37:01
Please. After 9/11 all the conservative dudes were a for the most aggressive policies available. If you didn’t like stop and frisk, its because you felt it didn’t go far enough. And you’ll always excuse these kinds of violations if it affects an outgroup like muslims or women or say that the dems wouldnt do anything different and keep voting republican. Like foreskin who is a “libertarian” but says nary a word about a woman’s right to chose being violated. Personal rights only matter if it affects someone that looks like you.

Which is fair enough because black people and women do the same thing but lets not pretend you are some courageous crusader for universal rights.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 00:41:19
How are women and " outcrop"? What is this 1970?
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 00:48:19
"Out group"
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 01:34:49
Yes, right. Scandinavians are not considered hot in swamp country. Good to know!

Women are under represented in politics and business. They are poorly paid.

Its fair to call them an out group.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 08:45:30
Under paid? Nor in this country, the wage gap has been discredited for years.

Look to colleges and see of they are under represented.Hell even HS graduation rates.

Its no longer a mans world.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 08:45:31
Under paid? Nor in this country, the wage gap has been discredited for years.

Look to colleges and see of they are under represented.Hell even HS graduation rates.

Its no longer a mans world.
Rugian
Member
Wed Mar 11 09:07:09
Habebe -

You're wasting your time here. The narrative is that women are underpaid, regardless of if they are or not.

As for Dukhat: fucking lol. You dont just get to fabricate what the rest of us believe in, you loopy cunt.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 09:09:26
Its no longer 80 cents to the dollar. Something closer to 84, but that does not include involuntary part time.

Perhaps discredited in the "fake news!" crowd, but has been robustly researched. For those of us who trust scientific knowledge and think it a great placeholder for better scientific knowledge that will replace it later.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 09:10:07
Education is true, but it takes 40 years to play out.
hood
Member
Wed Mar 11 09:11:19
The wage gap hasn't been discredited at all. It's just not as wide as some claim. Stop spouting damned lies.
Rugian
Member
Wed Mar 11 09:21:59
Wage discrimination based on gender is an explicit federal crime, so I have zero idea wtf you're talking about
kargen
Member
Wed Mar 11 09:30:00
There is still a wage gap. A bias towards women is not the reason though and hasn't been for a long time. Women are less likely to ask for a raise or promotion. Women are less likely to work longer hours. There are other factors at play also.

Women are under represented in some jobs simply because they have no interest in doing them.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 09:30:57
Rape is a crime too. Glad to hear outlawing that ended the practice.
hood
Member
Wed Mar 11 09:32:28
Because people never inadvertently commit crimes, or commit crimes without getting caught. If it's a law, it is always obeyed without question!
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 09:55:53
The wage gap HAS been discredited... Please research somewhere that is not salon.com

The wage gap is thw premise that a man of equal qualifications doing equal quality work receives more compensation, correct?

I figure we should clarify that first.

Hint. Look at Uber amd Lyft statistics.
Rugian
Member
Wed Mar 11 10:02:27
This is beyond ridiculous. The wage gap myth requires throwing away all common sense, such as that companies have no desire to fall afoul of Title VII lawsuits, or that the vast majority of HR departments are run by women, or that contemporary women coming out of college earn more than their male counterparts.

Also, if your average corporate body can seriously get away with paying women 20% less for like work, why wouldnt they just hire women going forward? It's a 20% discount on your wage expense!

If there was ever an issue that proved that the prevailing wisdom is completely detached from reality...this would be it.
hood
Member
Wed Mar 11 10:13:42
Habebe,
Did you really just suggest using Uber or Lyft as evidence of the entire economy, to prove that the wage gap has been closed? You are actually hot rod. You are beyond saving. The only cure to your retardation is death.


Rugian,
Provide actual evidence.
Rugian
Member
Wed Mar 11 10:34:00
"EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Since we have started tracking the gender pay gap, the difference between the earnings of women and men has shrunk. But significant disparity in how men and women are paid still remains. The uncontrolled gender pay gap, which takes the ratio of median earnings of all women to all men, decreased by $0.05 since 2015. However, women still make only $0.79 for every dollar men make in 2019.

What often gets lost in translation is what the uncontrolled wage gap truly represents — that women are less likely to hold high-level, high-paying jobs than men. There are structural barriers which keep women from advancing in the workplace– this is what we call the opportunity gap.

The controlled gender pay gap, which controls for a number of factors such as job title, years of experience, industry and location so that the only differentiation between workers is their gender, shrunk by just $0.008 since 2015. Women now make $0.98 for every dollar an equivalent man makes."

http://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap

Women make less over their lifetimes because they enter into lower paying professions or have a different emphasis on work-life balance. Not because companies discriminate against them.

If you're trying to solve the $0.20 discrepancy, you cant solve it by paying women more. Instead, youd have to adopt Comrade Jergul-style "solutions" like encouraging women to stop having children or having the state redirect them to different professions in the formative years of their careers. And I don't think either of us are interested in advocating that.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 10:46:48
Hood, You know what they say about assumptions.

I listed them because of the way these jobs work. Output is directly tied to pay and it is I super measurable. There is for example a 7% PAY gap favoring men in this industry.

However it is fully explained when you consider experience, speed and amount of time worked.

It's a good place to start researching.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 11:23:59
How can you control for a job title? Thats like saying that wage inequality can be simply explained by Mr. in front of surnames.

Structural biases are things like seniority. Why should a job you have done for 8 years be better paid than one you have done for 6 years?

But yah, women should make rational choices if wage inequality is to be reduced.

Habebe
Uber wages are sort of typical of structural disadvantages. As a rule, women drivers need to take time off to do stuff that is children related. Response? Increase wages while women have to feed the kids. 7% is however not bad.

Uber is decreasing average wage inequality.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 11:51:08
Jergul. Women choose to work fewer hours. Women choose to drive slower and they also choose to not work as long.

How is this even a problem.

If I choose to not work as much. You know what happens? I make less money, thats my choice.

I used to install garage doors, take home was roughly $500/day.

Do you know what I did for a while? I chose to only work Tues-thursday because I was happier working only 3 days a week and living off less money.

Should I have had my income supplemented for that extra 1k / week I was losing?
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 11:57:27
"Structural biases are things like seniority. Why should a job you have done for 8 years be better paid than one you have done for 6 years?"

So, someone who has more experience is not generally better at there job?

In the case Uber , the experience tended to lead to know what shifts to work and where.

It does not pay more for working there longer, but experience tends to help them figure out what routes and when pay better.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 11:58:01
That is not what is measured in wage inequality. That number truly sucks (the median wage for women is far, far lower than the median wage for men).

Thankfully women are more and more choosing to have fewer children. Over time, this will do a lot to increase their median wage relative to men.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 11:59:34
Work shifts that women cannot work would be the model. Fewer drivers at times when children need to be transported and fed give better pay at those time according to Ubers business model.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 12:00:15
See? I figured it out in 3 seconds and I have 0 uber driver experience.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 12:04:00
Even if that was some.of.the case*

Again, thats there choice.

Not to mention. They tend drive slower.


You are looking for a reason to claim unfair bias.The fact of the matter is that women are choosing to work less.

That is a good thing that they can choose to spend more time away from work.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 12:16:17
If your that concernes on the issue perhaps you shpuld favor things that encourage men to care for children more like offering more balanced custody laws and offering men the same amount of time off for family leave.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 12:36:18
I'm ok with there being less children.

The choice of spending less time at work is helpfully made easier by foodstamps.

We cannot have people choosing to starve in the streets after all. At least not if children are involved.
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 12:37:44
Cats in the wild often choose to leave their litter alone to hunt for food. So the choice offered is quite a primeval one.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 13:12:08
Well. Even adults its prefered to not have them starve.

Trump fucked up there, I'll concede Obama did better at that.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 13:17:04
In General im against affirmitive action style governing.

Instead of helping poor black people , why not just help poor people, if blacks are disproportionately poor, then hopefully said proposal will help them disproportionately.

Take your daughter to work day? Why not just your child.

Loans to help poor women amd minorities? Why not just the poor.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Mar 11 14:32:07
"Like foreskin who is a “libertarian” but says nary a word about a woman’s right to chose being violated."

I believe I'm on record stating that Roe v. Wade is a decent decision, if adhered to - even though it has no constitutional basis.

But neither side is adhering to it. GOP is slapping up regulations before viability everywhere, and Democrats are clamoring for abortion up until birth.

A lot of laws can be forgone in favor of rejecting the acceptance movement. Bring back social taboos and just start calling people murderers again. /shrug
Forwyn
Member
Wed Mar 11 14:34:15
I'm also on record stating that you're a fucking retard for trying to dictate libertarian policy on borders and abortion, when those are the two issues that split the camp down the middle.

Libertarianism is a backup for me because modern Republican politicians by and large have zero interest in constitutional conservatism.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 14:38:50
I'm pro abortion s a last resort.

One thing that always bothered me about religious types is they are against things that would actually help reduce abortions like free birth control and plan B.

I also do find the issue sexist as the man has no say but os expected to pay for 18 years, double standard.
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