Utopia Talk / Politics / Corona VIII

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 16 15:03:56 Back to Roman numerals.
The Children Member	Mon Mar 16 15:07:13 paralyzed little cuck, u bought ur toilet paper yet.
Average Ameriacn Member	Mon Mar 16 15:07:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8 Cardinal eight Ordinal 8th (eighth) Numeral system octal Factorization 23 Divisors 1, 2, 4, Greek numeral Η´ Roman numeral VIII
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 16 15:10:01 the handy link http://gis...a7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 some dots nearing Madagascar
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 16 15:10:06 the handy link http://gis...a7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 some dots nearing Madagascar
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 16 15:12:26 Given the way civilization is regressing over this, Latin numerals may be too advanced soon. http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Babylonian_8.svg
Habebe Member	Mon Mar 16 15:29:54 My doctora office can't get enough masks. I had to get routine bloodwork today and I overheard the manager lady going around and whispering to my lab tech only to wear them sparingly when they are in co tact with people coughing and sneezing etc. Mind you she was dreaming it in the hall 30 seconds prior.
jergul large member	Mon Mar 16 15:31:46 Sammy You caught the problem? Corona is not deadly enough to employ imperfect vaccines.
Paramount Member	Mon Mar 16 15:48:55 I woke up this morning and had my coffee like usual, and then I went to my office, I worked a couple of hours, and now when I got home and turned on the news the world has panicked. Shit happens so fast now. All the toilet paper was also gone from the store. Several shelves were empty. I got some soup, bread, tomato, eggs and milk. What will happen tomorrow? Will people start killing eachother? Will men with guns rob people of their toilet papers? Will people smash windows and steal food?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 16 16:54:03 Yea, the big cities will become killing fields. Have you like watched any apocalyptical movies? Stay away from big cities! I warned you, the other humans will rape and kill you for your stuff before Corona!
obaminated Member	Mon Mar 16 17:20:40 i trust people, i like people, but my tommy gun dont! *insert maniacal laughter while firing a hail of bullets* but seriously, i dont think it will get to the point where we are dealing with marauding bands of criminals breaking into people's houses. the nigs will do it, but they already do that.
Pillz Member	Mon Mar 16 17:26:09 I am used to people buy eggs by the box. But we're now talking 3 or 4 boxes... Like wtf do you possibly think you need 60 dozen eggs for? Theyre all domestically produced. Toilet paper is also domestically produced. There aren't enough drivers to move stock from manufacturer to distributor to store. Stocks being shorted not because it isn't there, it's just become a choice of moving a little of everything down the line rather than use the entire fleet just to ship toilet paper or pasta to stores.
obaminated Member	Mon Mar 16 17:31:55 but this has taught me how little people are prepped for disasters in so cal. i mean, we live in an earthquake active zone and the vast majority of people are just now buying essentials... and btw, tp is not an essential good. food, water and booze, they are essentials. tp? you can hose yourself down in the shower if you run out.
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 16 17:35:40 "booze, they are essentials" Oh I AM well stocked then. But yeah, most people arent thinking more than a few days ahead. If you're in the suburbs or rural areas, you might have a little more than a week's worth of food in the house. In urban areas? A few days at most, unless you're a weirdo.
Average Ameriacn Member	Mon Mar 16 17:36:06 The good Koch brothers will get even richer http://www...rus-panic-buying/#3f99be11797b We reached out to Georgia-Pacific, the paper-products giant owned by Koch Industries, which makes the AngelSoft and Quilted Northern brands, to find out. Koch Industries, one of America’s largest private companies with more than $110 billion in total revenue, is run by Charles Koch, the conservative billionaire behind Americans for Prosperity who’s now worth $40.6 billion by Forbes’ estimates. (His brother David died last summer.) Consumer-related panic buying due to COVID-19 has caused “a significant increase in orders beginning last week,” Fernando Gonzalez, president of Georgia-Pacific’s consumer business, explained by email. “These increases have been as high as two times our normal demand.” However, Georgia-Pacific also sells its toilet tissue to hotels and businesses, and the B2B part of its business has been softer; the company expects those sales to decline as consumers ditch their business travel and vacation plans.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 16 17:41:08 San Francisco orders residents to shelter in place seems a bit extreme... this'll be around awhile
Pillz Member	Mon Mar 16 17:46:25 And I do mean everything. The only products we have left are soft drinks, sauces (teriyaki, ranch, whatever you name it), hot peppers and pickled onions, expensive ass crackers for cheese and dip, cake decorating icing/sprinkles, jams & confections were mostly untouched, coffee beans, and surprisingly juice was destroyed but not left barren. Took 3 days but even the taco section was cleared. Like imagine having to refill hundreds of stores from bone zero to full, while meeting shelf-stripping demand daily. Impossible. Not enough people at any level of the supply chain. Our store is, for better or worse, extremely well versed at doing this and very experienced at odd delivery schedules and day time packing. We probably broke a world record yesterday 28 pallets in 4 hours during peak business hours. But my director and I, while we hate each other, absolutely agree in how to handle a day time grocery order. So I got to build a pallet wall around 6 aisles down the middle of the store and we both yell at clerks for sucking dick and at customers for trying to break the perimeter while we tore it down and spread it. Actually working during the apocalypse is awesome. Unfortunately business is back to normal for now. I get to leave the company with credit from the director (who hates me) for helping to not only carry us (companies most devastated store) through the 3 day pandemonium but also the spectacular recovery. I mean other stores were left in much worse positions then us, but we had the largest overall volume increase. We're just used to being fucked in the ass I guess.
hood Member	Mon Mar 16 17:46:42 Man, people be crazy. All y'all gotta do is live like a bachelor with no game (and work from home if possible): - don't go out unless for essentials (groceries) - if eating restaurant food, do carry out - avoid other people - avoid crowds Not that hard. Lean into your entertainment-at-home options; tv, movies, games, feral masturbation. I'd add exercise, but that doesn't fit the profile (but exercising is a good plan, even outside. Just recall the avoiding other people bit).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 16 18:10:07 2020 really escalated quickly. Things have really gotten out of hand quickly.
sam adams Member	Mon Mar 16 18:34:22 Its the end of the world as we know it! Is rising rapidly up the music charts.
Dukhat Member	Mon Mar 16 20:04:52 Chloroquine confirmed effective in Japan. As I said before, the US needed to aggressively use untested treatment and hope for the best. We dont have time to clinically confirm ourselves but hopefully, this makes things better. The drug helps prevents lung fibrosis and hospitalization in many patients.
jergul large member	Mon Mar 16 20:10:23 Dukhat What are you even on about? Chloroquine is for hospital treatment after people have developed pnemonia. It does not prevent hospitalization. Or is your idea to send people home with pnemonia with a jar of pills? That would be part of the 10 fold increase in mortality once hospitals are overwhelmed. Perhaps the pills will help turn it into a 9 fold increase in mortality.
Forwyn Member	Mon Mar 16 20:35:37 You don't need massive state of the art hospitals to treat pneumonia. Field tents, vents, and yeah, medication to reduce symptoms like scarring and secondary infections. Open-air is better anyway. Again, perfect time of year for this to hit.
jergul large member	Mon Mar 16 20:57:34 Forwyn So your healthcarse system will at no point anywhere in the US be overwhelmed? Is that your position?+
Dukhat Member	Mon Mar 16 21:58:03 Treatment for viral pneumonia is consistent and the same. But where the fuck are our field hospitals? China was building tons of makeshift hospitals right now. Trump just told governors to go find and buy ventilators on their own. Like literally what the fuck is this piece of shit doing?
Forwyn Member	Mon Mar 16 22:20:54 jergul The bottleneck isn't in floor space, it's in staffing. Secondary bottleneck is the number of vents for cases serious enough to warrant hospitalization in the first place. Army is sitting on thousands of field tents. Vents can be mass-produced, alongside cheap oximeters that virtually every nurse is carrying in their scrubs for accurate diagnosis and triage. But the number of nurses and doctors churned out each year is fixed. Programs are full every year and competitive. This can only be partially alleviated by deploying DoD medical units. Most NG medical workers are already civilian medical workers by trade.
hood Member	Mon Mar 16 23:14:34 "But the number of nurses and doctors churned out each year is fixed. Programs are full every year and competitive." This isn't true. Most programs are specifically tailored to cull the herd, to churn out a limited number of nurses and doctors. Now, doctors can't just be belched out of medical school, but a crash course for specialized nurses to get boots on the ground against covid wouldn't be too difficult.
sam adams Member	Mon Mar 16 23:34:57 There is a lot of nursing level knowledge in the military...
sam adams Member	Mon Mar 16 23:41:10 And lots of field tents. Ive got my old climbing oximeter out and have reestablished some baselines for us. Unlikely that it matters for us but im curious. Good news... my middle aged laziness has only increased my resting heartrate slightly!
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 17 01:00:28 A 21-year old in Spain died to it but he had leukemia too. Found out at the same time. 1-2 punch of horrible. I believe only 4 people under 40 have died to it in Italy and 2 had pre-existing conditions. Though people throughout all age groups need ICU and ventilation. About half of the people in ICU's in Italy are under 60. The real danger is an overwhelmed hospital system and not being able to get help when you need it.
The Children Member	Tue Mar 17 01:15:16 "Like wtf do you possibly think you need 60 dozen eggs for? Theyre all domestically produced. " >> people eat 3 -4 eggs a day. like wtf kind of a cuck are u to even question this.
The Children Member	Tue Mar 17 01:18:11 "But where the fuck are our field hospitals? China was building tons of makeshift hospitals right now. Trump just told governors to go find and buy ventilators on their own. Like literally what the fuck is this piece of shit doing? " >> ibviously this is an 1337 right reserved only for the most powerfull of civilizations. china russia is building currently i read but who else can perform such a feat. ur mommy sure as hell aint gonna be able 2. u cant even take care of ur own roads. its crumblin before ur eyez.
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 17 01:24:41 http://www...dule=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage Primary Source: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf Jaw-dropping despair. Even with maximum measures taken, we are looking at peak cases of 8x current surge capacity. And we're not taking maximum measures.
The Children Member	Tue Mar 17 02:07:40 u cucks were laughin in january. werent u. u aint laughin now! wheres patient zero. bring out the information. how come the world does not know who ur patient zero is and how he spread through ur country. all the information is hidden and censored in ur country. WHY. what do u got 2 hide. also, remember those "journalists" who fled Wuhan and China at the end of january "escapin the lockdown and China government". they aint laughin now are they. those vuukers brought it back to ur country. but they aint patient zero either. they are just scumbags, fakenews reporters. but WHO IS PATIENT ZERO IN UR COUNTRY.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Mar 17 10:04:53 The Netherlands is going for 'herd immunity'. "A large part of the Dutch population will be infected with the virus," Prime Minister Mark Rutte tells nation. "We can slow down the spread of the virus while building controlled group immunity... it can take months." 11:53 AM - 16 Mar 2020 http://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1239625909285593097
sam adams Member	Tue Mar 17 10:46:22 Its the end of the fucking world!!!! Tom brady is leaving the patriots!!!
sam adams Member	Tue Mar 17 10:47:57 "We can slow down the spread of the virus while building controlled group immunity.." Its not the worst idea. Intentionally infect everyone younger than 50 with healthy immune/cardio system? Id prefer a straight fight to all this lurking around?
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 17 12:11:17 Covid-19 parties for the healthy before the system is strained? I like it
Average Ameriacn Member	Tue Mar 17 13:03:40 Jews are smart, we should do the same http://www...ng-quarantine-orders-1.8681979 The Israeli government unanimously passed in the early hours of Tuesday new emergency regulations for tracking the cellphones of coronavirus patients or those suspected of being infected, circumventing the approval of the Knesset in the process. Ministers authorized the move despite the Justice Ministry's commitment to have it go through the Israeli parliament, which did not have the time to deliberate on the matter. The regulations sanction the Israel Police to track the cellphones of individuals who tested positive with the virus, or those who are suspected of having caught the disease. On Saturday, following Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's announcement that these means will be implemented, the Shin Bet said the technology would not be used to enforce quarantine. Published in the dead of night in the state records, despite initially being slated to be confidential, the regulations stated that there will be no need for a court order to collect the data. Normally, a court order is required for something like cellphone tracking, as it is considered a serious invasion of privacy if there is no basis for it. According to the regulations, the data would be used to notify people who may have come into contact with someone infected with the virus and to enforce quarantine orders.
Average Ameriacn Member	Tue Mar 17 13:28:59 The economy will skyrocket: 100000 new jobs!!! http://blo...mazon-opening-100000-new-roles Amazon ramps hiring, opening 100,000 new roles to support people relying on Amazon’s service in this stressful time Company will invest over $350 million globally to increase pay by $2/hour in the U.S., £2/hr in the UK, and approximately €2/hr in many EU countries for employees and partners who are in fulfillment centers, transportation operations, stores or those making deliveries so that others can remain at home.
EuropeanPussy Member	Tue Mar 17 13:45:14 Boris had to think again: http://www...coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths The UK only realised "in the last few days" that attempts to "mitigate" the impact of the coronavirus pandemic would not work, and that it needed to shift to a strategy to "suppress" the outbreak, according to a report by a team of experts who have been advising the government. The report, published by the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team on Monday night, found that the strategy previously being pursued by the government — dubbed "mitigation" and involving home isolation of suspect cases and their family members but not including restrictions on wider society — would "likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over". The mitigation strategy "focuses on slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread — reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection", the report said, reflecting the UK strategy that was outlined last week by Boris Johnson and the chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance. But the approach was found to be unworkable. "Our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over," perhaps by as much as eight times, the report said. In this scenario, the Imperial College team predicted as many as 250,000 deaths in Britain. "In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days," the report explained, due to new data on likely intensive care unit demand based on the experience of Italy and Britain so far. "We were expecting herd immunity to build. We now realise it’s not possible to cope with that," professor Azra Ghani, chair of infectious diseases epidemiology at Imperial, told journalists at a briefing on Monday night. As a result, the report — which its authors said had "informed policymaking in the UK and other countries in the last weeks" — said: "We therefore conclude that epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time." A suppression strategy, along the lines of the approach adopted by the Chinese authorities, "aims to reverse epidemic growth, reducing case numbers to low levels and maintaining that situation indefinitely". It requires "a combination of social distancing of the entire population, home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members", and "may need to be supplemented by school and university closures". An "intensive intervention package" will have to be "maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more)", the report said, painting an extraordinary picture of what life could be like in the UK for the next year and a half. On Monday afternoon, the prime minister drastically tightened the measures imposed on the British public — signalling the UK's move to a suppression strategy. Everyone in the UK should now stop "non-essential contact" with other people and avoid pubs, clubs, cinemas, and theatres to slow the spread of the coronavirus, Johnson announced. Families have also been urged to stay at home together for 14 days if any member is showing symptoms of the virus — a new, continuous cough or a fever. Johnson said that anyone in isolation should avoid leaving the house "even to buy food or essentials" and should exercise outside the house only at a safe distance from others. A government spokesperson said: “This is a very fast-moving situation. In order to give the most robust scientific advice SAGE [the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies] draws upon and considers a range of evidence and views to reach its recommendations. Part of this evidence includes the latest modelling data from a number of experts. All SAGE recommendations are in line with the best current evidence. We will be publishing further evidence shortly.”
sam adams Member	Tue Mar 17 15:10:53 The eu is closing its borders. Lol no more migrants for you seb.
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 17 16:18:09 That disproportionately affects Muslims, and thus constitutes a war crime, according to the ICTY
Seb Member	Tue Mar 17 16:23:06 Sam: You realise we aren't in the EU anymore sam?
jergul large member	Tue Mar 17 16:29:39 Blood shortages in California. 2020 is definitely going to see a 50% increase in mortality compared to 2019. Protip: Don't get into a car accident on your way to your millenium corona party. The healthcare system will soon not be able to do anything for you.
Average Ameriacn Member	Tue Mar 17 16:30:42 Cheap oil will skyrocket our economy and crush Russia and Iran! MAGA! http://www...ecast-sees-us-crude-at-22.html Goldman Sachs slashed its oil forecast on Tuesday as the COVID-19 outbreak has led to sharp demand declines. Goldman now sees U.S. West Texas Intermediate crude averaging $20 per barrel in the second quarter with international benchmark Brent crude at $20 per barrel. This is Goldman’s second cut to price forecasts in less than two weeks. “Demand losses across the complex are now unprecedented,” said Jeffrey Currie, Goldman’s global head of commodities research.
The Children Member	Tue Mar 17 17:59:58 looks like ur shaleboyz r gonna have 2 find other jobs soon.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 17 19:18:19 got my month long supply of alcohol. also got a shit ton of pistachios. its funny seeing how people break down in stressful times. i sure am glad this stupid fucking state didnt kick out the fucking crazy homeless folks who came here from florida and teenessee. i am ready to go full shane circa walking dead.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 17 19:19:08 also, as i sorta work in the university system via film class, apparently the high ups are saying this can go on until june. so prep for that boys.
hood Member	Tue Mar 17 20:20:08 Since it's just a soft quarantine, the only real issue is whether one can work from home or not. If you can, it's just a matter of going out once a week to restock food and essentials. Not that big a deal. People are overly dramatic.
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 17 20:57:23 NYC hospitals are already seeing overwhelmed ICU's. Peak of this is at least 2 months away. Memorial-Sloan Kettering, the nation's best cancer hospital is out of PPE for staff. All across the country all I hear is PPE shortages, lack of testing, and now shortages of the best drugs to treat this thing. If you get sick inside the next 3 months, you are fucked.
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 17 21:48:34 "China Virus" now. Racist scapegoating because they know how bad it will get. Fuck Donald Trump. Incapable of acting like a leader.
sam adams Member	Tue Mar 17 21:51:04 "You realise we aren't in the EU anymore sam? " Rofl i love that you had to type that seb.
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 17 22:34:33 And who makes most of the world's ventilators, PPE, and has tens of thousands of trained staff that know how to deal with Covid19 and run ventilators? China. It's just more blaming while the problem gets worse.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 17 22:44:12 "Fuck Donald Trump" "It's just more blaming while the problem gets worse" These are the last two posts from Dukhat in thensame thread...just saying.
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 17 22:49:04 Oh yes, the classic Cuckservative brainwashing of Donald Trump doing something incredibly stupid, getting called out for it, and then acting like he's the one being victimized/attacked. Fucking Hot Rod 2.0.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 17 23:11:17 You literally said " fuck Trump" " we need to stop blamimg people" right after one another. I mean I know your slow, but you must see the irony.
Pillz Member	Tue Mar 17 23:11:26 Cuckhat is one of those idiots who bought 2 months of groceries and a year's supply of toilet paper. World is gonna end any second cuckhat!
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 17 23:38:27 Pillz is all in on China Virus. Fucking gamer incel retard.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Mar 18 00:12:21 Guys, it's just a hoax.
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 18 02:29:02 We should ask American companies to develop a vaccine exclusively for Europe.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 18 03:39:51 wouldnt be the first time america saved the world. fucking china. they either manufactured this shit or their peasant sensibilities caused them to contract it. and now we are fucked until the summer when the weather becomes hot enough to kill this thing off.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Mar 18 09:22:11 http://new...ions-complicating-coronavirus/
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 18 09:24:52 Wow, Republicans are truly fucked up. I don't like the government of Iran but letting their people die is not something that is going to help us long-term. If anything, it gives their hardliners more ammo.
The Children Member	Wed Mar 18 09:30:41 u savin the world? u delusional much? u dunt even have enough test kits lmao. youtube fights over toilet paper. and other similar videos. lmao thats ur peoples lol!
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Mar 18 09:30:55 "until the summer when the weather becomes hot enough to kill this thing off." No evidence of seasonality.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Mar 18 09:34:34 http://www...hasidic-weddings-brooklyn.html
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 18 09:58:00 swordtail Anarchist Prime Wed Mar 18 09:22:11 http://new...ions-complicating-coronavirus/ The US is guilty of genocide.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Mar 18 10:03:18 http://www...g-using-theranos-patents.shtml
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Mar 18 10:05:05 Genocide based on a virus that has a 1-3% mortality rate? mmkay...
Pillz Member	Wed Mar 18 10:22:42 Cuckhat wants to shut the world down because some old people are going to die. News flash dipshit, they're gonna die anyways. Global economy and time wasted by children and adults are worth more then the lives of seniors
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Mar 18 10:50:54 The'Nimr'Tiger‏ @Souria4Syrians Follow Follow @Souria4Syrians More The'Nimr'Tiger Retweeted The'Nimr'Tiger Now reports of coronavirus in Jihadist occupied Afrin region. Seems like all cases are coming from Turkey. There has been no official statement from Turkey or TFSA or White Helmets. Keeping it a secret The'Nimr'Tiger added, The'Nimr'Tiger @Souria4Syrians Breaking: reports that white helmets in Idlib evacuated some persons (showing COVID19 symptoms) to Turkey. Apparently they entered Idlib from Turkey weeks ago and now they're sent back for tests 8:33 AM - 18 Mar 2020
Average Ameriacn Member	Wed Mar 18 10:57:49 More bad news: http://www...t-stop-john-hummels-execution/ The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals on Monday halted an execution set for this week due to the new coronavirus. The state’s high criminal court ordered that Wednesday’s execution, set for 44-year-old John Hummel, should be delayed “in light of the current health crisis and the enormous resources needed to address that emergency.” The stay is in place for 60 days, after which the county can move to set a new execution date. Hummel’s lawyer requested a stay of execution in a unique court filing Friday because of the spread of COVID-19 and the state's disaster declaration, arguing that the disease has impacted his ability to carry out last-minute investigations. He also said the execution procedure, which crowds family members, the media and officials into small viewing rooms, puts vulnerable prisons at risk of exposure.
patom Member	Wed Mar 18 11:30:56 Hey Pillz, go fuck yourself. Snot nosed little bastard! I'm quite aware that I'm not going to live many more years. Don't need a pencil necked geek to tell me the obvious. :)
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Mar 18 11:34:07 http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETWmsogXQAA4hMa.jpg:large
Pillz Member	Wed Mar 18 12:24:27 Have we figured out why all the Italians are dying yet?
hood Member	Wed Mar 18 13:43:55 They can't treat the mass of sick people that are hospitalization-level bad.
sam adams Member	Wed Mar 18 13:55:43 http://bal...nues-during-covid-19-pandemic/ Sebs still gonna seb. we-need-those-beds-baltimore-mayor-urges-people-to-put-down-guns-after-violence-continues-during-covid-19-pandemic
sam adams Member	Wed Mar 18 13:57:49 "Have we figured out why all the Italians are dying yet?" Supreme idiocy? Is it any wonder that a backwards nation that arrests geologists when there is an earthquake doesnt have enough science ability to handle a modest outbreak?
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 13:59:49 Sam, All while Germany is doing well at least on the death front. Many infected, economy taking a shit break but very few deaths.
sam adams Member	Wed Mar 18 14:10:38 Well ya, germany has been vastly superior to italy for about 1600 years.
Pillz Member	Wed Mar 18 14:14:12 Italy Active cases: 28k Critical: 2.2k Germany Active cases: 11k Critical: 2 Just 2. Why the discrepancy? Spain and Iran and France have half the active cases of Italy 25% less active cases in proportion.
Pillz Member	Wed Mar 18 14:14:35 *25% less critical cases
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Mar 18 14:58:20 I don't know the details for those two countries, but culture could play a large role. There's also a large age difference.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 15:45:59 Well median age Germany 47.4 Italy 45.8 http://www.indexmundi.com/germany/demographics_profile.html http://www.indexmundi.com/italy/demographics_profile.html I think hospital bed ratio may play a role. Its one of the few numbers to stick out to me. Italy 3 Germany 11 I forget the exact numbers but either way thats a big difference.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 15:58:49 Correction Germany was 8.3 on beds. Not 11. Thats health expenditure with is about 2% mkre than Italy at 9%.
Daemon Member	Wed Mar 18 16:09:16 The average age of the infected would be interesting to know, but I have not seen such numbers.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 16:18:58 http://www...l-distribution-2019-ncov-cases Daemon, this is one of the better sites for info , but it does not have age stats that I've seen.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 16:26:24 http://www...ates/demographics_profile.html If that is an issue as I suspect the US is 2.9, less than Italy ( ablut the same) The something the US does have though is military ships/bases that can help supplement. But it is still worrisome.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 16:29:21 The US is also much younger than Germany or Italy at 38.2.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Mar 18 16:49:03 2020 demographics show Italy has an older population (there is a decent sized jump in Italy's median age in 2020 while Germany actually decreases). However, what I meant (though it wasn't clear) is that it appears there are far more elderly infected in Italy than in Germany.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 18 16:50:09 ~30% over 60
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 16:59:46 http://www...stribution-by-age-group-italy/ In Italy near 75% seem to be over 50. I dont have figures for Germany. But that link does seem to show wraths point that it has hit the elderly in Italy hard. I dont know the testing prerequisites are though. Perhaps the older people are being tested at different rates...i just lack the data.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 18 17:15:15 http://edi...ivability-sepkowitz/index.html This article compares the different infected demographics in Italy and South Korea, pretty interesting. Also a lot more testing in South Korea.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 18 17:16:51 "In other words, South Korea has an outbreak among youngish, non-smoking women, whereas Italy's disease is occurring among the old and the very old, many of whom are smokers. (We do not know the male-female breakdown of Italy's cases)."
sam adams Member	Wed Mar 18 20:12:09 Euros definitely smoke more. I climbed a 16,000 foot mountain with a few euros and upon reaching the top of few of those clowns lit up. Like dude your at 16kft and our blood ox is like 80%! cut that shit out!
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 18 20:32:16 It’s all fun and games until you realize there’s no reversing COPD. I want to still be active at 80.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 18 20:33:48 http://ec....Tobacco_consumption_statistics http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/index.htm
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 18 21:02:44 We'll, we're officially in spending orgy mode. Nothing creates bipartisanship in DC like the prospect of drunken carefree spending sprees.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 18 21:03:01 Also two congressmen have come down with the disease. 433 to go
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