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patom
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Thu Mar 19 20:22:14 2020
First of all I'll believe it when I see it. If we do get these checks I'll be pleasantly surprised and immediately try to cash it before it bounces.

That aside. I will have to give credit to Trump or Congress for this stimulus to the economy.

I bet that within 1 week 99% of that money will be in circulation. Spent on bills and food or clothing.
tumbleweed
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Thu Mar 19 20:32:14 2020
or booze, whores & gambling
Wrath of Orion
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Thu Mar 19 20:33:16 2020
It's certainly better than the utter retardation that was Trump's payroll tax cut.
hood
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Thu Mar 19 20:38:59 2020
This will cover, what, 2 weeks? And it'll be weeks late already.

I wonder how many people will just deposit it and spend their money as they normally would.
sam adams
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Thu Mar 19 21:22:05 2020
"or booze, whores & gambling"

Gotta socially isolate. No whores :(
sam adams
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Thu Mar 19 21:23:07 2020
"I wonder how many people will just deposit it and spend their money as they normally would."

Im getting a new kayak or canoe.
Habebe
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Thu Mar 19 21:25:14 2020
On the upside the Dollar is strong atm.
Paramount
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Thu Mar 19 21:26:30 2020
A $1000 handout? It sounds like socialism.
Habebe
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Thu Mar 19 21:28:58 2020
Paramount, So is public schools and the military.
hood
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Thu Mar 19 21:30:53 2020
Oh shit, Sam. Good point. I've been needing a new matress for a while.
patom
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Thu Mar 19 21:43:44 2020
tumbleweed, sellers of booze spend money, whores spend money, casinos and racetracks are laying people off right now but the money will go into circulation.
obaminated
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Thu Mar 19 21:44:12 2020
ive been wanting an xbox 1 but could never justify buying it.... free money while im stuck at home ? okay sounds good.
hood
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Thu Mar 19 21:45:09 2020
Just don't buy it from Amazon.
Rugian
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Thu Mar 19 21:56:38 2020
Patom -

What on earth makes you think you deserve a cent from the government? You're retired; you dont need to make up any lost earnings.

In fact, old fucks like you should be cutting the rest of us a fat check. You know, us, the working-age people who are losing out on vital earnings every single day this goes on. Not because the Chinese virus poses any serious threat to ourselves, mind you - it's be barely an inconvenience for us if we contracted it - but because WE'RE willing to sacrifice our financial health and stay at home so YOU dont potentially die from the disease.

WE are all making hard decisions for YOUR benefit...and your response is to have the chutzpah to ask for free money. Fuck off.

You greedy elderly assholes are already plundering Social Security by taking out far more than you put in and leaving us younger folks with Jack shit when we retire. You dont need another unearned $1,000 on top of everything else.
tumbleweed
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Thu Mar 19 22:01:21 2020
i predict there will be more whores than ever in this collapsed society caused entirely by the so-called 'president' Trump

join gangs now to get ahead of the curve
hood
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Thu Mar 19 22:08:37 2020
Hospitalization among the young and healthy isn't negligible. It would be more than an inconvenience, especially when those who need intensive care find the hospital at full capacity.
sam adams
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Thu Mar 19 22:10:45 2020

"i predict there will be more whores than ever in this collapsed society caused entirely by the so-called 'president' Trump"

Trump 2020!
Rugian
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Thu Mar 19 22:14:27 2020
Lol. SJWs and feminism are no match for a pandemic and Trump-style leadership. I'll take it.
TJ
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Thu Mar 19 22:17:20 2020
"WE are all making hard decisions for YOUR benefit...and your response is to have the chutzpah to ask for free money. Fuck off."

lol
Rugian
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Thu Mar 19 22:17:30 2020
Hood -

Meh. Anyone 18-59 who is actually unhealthy enough to be taken out by this thing probably deserves what they get.
tumbleweed
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Thu Mar 19 22:20:00 2020
pretty sure i heard it can cause scarring in the lungs or other damage to younger people even if it's not killing them
sam adams
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Thu Mar 19 22:37:53 2020
"pretty sure i heard it can cause scarring in the lungs or other damage to younger people even if it's not killing them"

In isolated cases
hood
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Thu Mar 19 23:45:44 2020
Rugian,

http://www...2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w#T1_down

Hospitalization rate is ~17% for 20-44 and ~25% for 45-54. Even if they aren't dying, hospitalization isn't "barely inconvenienced." It's still serious, just not lethal. Very likely still worth a medium-high level of caution.
Wrath of Orion
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Fri Mar 20 00:01:10 2020
Fuck that, you're good, Rugian. Just man up and go get it.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 00:04:08 2020
Trump to Bloomberg " Now this is how you buy an election"
patom
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Fri Mar 20 00:08:32 2020
Rugian, I donate a couple of bucks to buy you some kerosene so you can wash your socks. It'll keep the ants off your candy ass. Just make sure you keep the process away from hot surfaces or open flames.

I probably worked more hours in one decade than you have in your entire whinny assed life. I'll take as much as the government is willing to give.

Hell I may need it to pay for my cremation. :)
More likely I'll stock up on Black Velvet and TP.
Wrath of Orion
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Fri Mar 20 00:17:44 2020
"I probably worked more hours in one decade than you have in your entire whinny assed life."

lmfao, and quoted for likely truth.
TJ
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Fri Mar 20 00:36:49 2020
Tom:

I highly doubt retirees will be getting a check.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 00:38:20 2020
Does anyone have a link fornthe actual bill?
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 02:07:42 2020
Tj, Idk it sounds** like everyome is getting a 1k.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 02:09:58 2020
http://www...stimulus-checks-within-9%3famp
Rugian
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Fri Mar 20 02:11:10 2020
Habebe -

WTF are you trying to pull by asking for actual facts to argue over?

patom -

Nigga please. You were a prison guard in Maine. Maine! And that was BEFORE the Somalis moved in. Your day job consisted of sitting around and occasionally getting prank calls about demon clowns running around Derry. You didn't do shit.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 02:28:27 2020
http://www...Phase-3-stimulus-proposal.html

The actual proposed bill, found it.
sam adams
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Fri Mar 20 02:33:10 2020
They moved somalis to maine?

Wtf is wrong with democrats?
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 02:36:56 2020
Jump to page 35 in text. It has the criteria.
TJ
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Fri Mar 20 02:44:20 2020
Habebe:

I've not seen anything final. Everyone seems unreasonable though. It'll be a percentage of everyone. :)
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 02:48:09 2020
Tj, I think you were right.

IF I understand what skimmed correctly McConnell's proposal that I linked is for people who pay taxes.

If you have atleast 2500 in taxable income you get 600-1200, double for joint filers, 500 per kid.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 02:49:32 2020
Also anyone making over 99k gets nothing and those making 75-99k get a smaller %.
hood
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Fri Mar 20 02:52:44 2020
"McConnell's proposal that I linked is for people who pay taxes."

So people less likely to need the money. Fucking brilliant.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 02:58:33 2020
Hood, I should have worded that to who have qualifying taxable income.

Gist is this

100k or more gets nothing.

75k/yr gets 1200/PP, but $5 less for every extra $100 in income.

Less than 2500 in qualifying yearly taxable income get nothing.

More than 2500 get somewhere between 600-1200. Im not sure on how exactly that is determined but it seems to be a % ofhow much you make.

Also im umsute how this figures into next year's taxes.
TJ
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Fri Mar 20 02:59:48 2020
http://www...rus-package-137607?cid=covid_m

The centerpiece of the Senate Republican proposal — crafted with support from the White House — is a direct payment to qualified Americans of up to $1,200. Married couples could get $2,400. Taxpayers who earn more than $75,000 annually will begin to see that payment reduced by $5 for every $100 they earn over the $75,000 threshold, with those who make more than $99,000 getting nothing. Families with children would get $500 per child.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 03:12:02 2020
Lindsey Graham seems to be saying we shouldn't give out $ Now because we should wait until the economy rebounds.... But I think that defeats the point of giving the $ out to help people when they need it.
Wrath of Orion
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Fri Mar 20 03:22:02 2020
Lindsey Graham is a worthless pile of shit and a fucking retard.
Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 03:24:58 2020
Wrath you forgot unapologetic ass licker.
sam adams
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Fri Mar 20 03:27:38 2020
"Also anyone making over 99k gets nothing"

Those slimy no good worthless rotten mfers!
sam adams
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Fri Mar 20 03:28:17 2020
I pay 50 large in taxes and those scoundrels cant even give me 1k back.
sam adams
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Fri Mar 20 03:28:59 2020
Habebe
Member Thu Mar 19 20:12:02
Lindsey Graham seems to be saying we shouldn't give out $ Now because we should wait until the economy rebounds.... But I think that defeats the point of giving the $ out to help people when they need it.
Wrath of Orion
Member Thu Mar 19 20:22:02
Lindsey Graham is a worthless pile of shit and a fucking retard.



Lol that made me laugh
patom
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Fri Mar 20 11:14:28 2020
Rugian, I worked 12 hour shifts at the jail for 8 years. Prior to that I drove Truck for the previous 32 years prior to that I worked as a mechanic prior to that I was in the Navy prior to that I did all sorts of jobs to earn my spending money from the time I was 10 and got a paper route.
Since I retired 10 years ago I've 5 more years driving truck and most winters plowing snow. I have driven over 3 million miles in my life time.
Now go wipe your snotty nose you whinny candy ass.
The Children
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Fri Mar 20 12:35:10 2020
so they first kick out andrew yang and now they steal his idea?

Habebe
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Fri Mar 20 13:12:19 2020
Tc, Chinks aren't allowed to own ideas, its like Jews and Christmas snow.

He should have seen this coming, but his eyes were all slanty, didnt see shit.
Turtle Crawler
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Fri Mar 20 17:47:02 2020
I had go read the proposal to verify the cut off was double for couples.

So I can get $4400, but I have to
A) verify I'll actually pay that much tax
B) try to keep income under 150k

Since the gross will be well above I need to find out if 401k contributions can lower it, if I need to, and how much.
hood
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Fri Mar 20 19:45:37 2020
Gotta love the "cut taxes" gang now salivating for government assistance they don't need.
kargen
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Fri Mar 20 20:52:15 2020
nah THe Children there is a difference in a one time or two time payment to stimulate the economy during a downfall and a permanent payment for ever and ever until the country finally goes broke. Another difference, Yang's plan would have replaced many of the social programs if fully put in place.
sam adams
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Fri Mar 20 21:46:42 2020
"Gotta love the "cut taxes" gang now salivating for government assistance they don't need."

Well ya we pay about 75k in taxes per year, of which about a third... 25k... goes to pure mooching. So getting some scraps back is at least fair.
patom
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Sat Mar 21 00:27:44 2020
Least you can do sam :) We paid to educate you.
PhunkyPhishStyle
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Sat Mar 21 05:43:31 2020
“nah THe Children there is a difference in a one time or two time payment to stimulate the economy during a downfall and a permanent payment for ever and ever until the country finally goes broke.”

Except Yang’s plan was not debt-based. His had a VAT as the primary funding mechanism. How is that supposed to make the country “broke”?
sam adams
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Sat Mar 21 06:41:57 2020
"We paid to educate you."

And i have no problem funding the education for the next generation.

Im not complaining one bit about computers being given to poor kids or teachers getting paid to not work for a few months of emergency. But lets not pretend our government only spends money on wise things.
kargen
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Sat Mar 21 06:45:02 2020
Yeah I know how Yang said he would pay for his plan. I also know how government works. No way the cuts in entitlements Yang proposed would ever happen.
And we all know the price would go up once the people most effected realized they give up a lot more than they get and stand no chance of making ends meet.
Dukhat
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Sat Mar 21 07:01:23 2020
I mean most of the moochers are silent generation and baby boomers who will receive much more than what they got in. Meanwhile they will whine about us millennials who will be lucky to see 70 cents on the dollar of what we pay in.
kargen
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Sat Mar 21 07:12:56 2020
What the fuck are you going on about Dukhat?
Dukhat
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Sat Mar 21 07:14:42 2020
Most government spending is entitlements. Most of that entitlement spending goes to people on social security and medicare.

If you complain about moochers, it's mainly those people that are mooching.
Forwyn
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Sat Mar 21 07:41:52 2020
The nation's largest ever Ponzi scheme
jergul
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Sat Mar 21 10:55:05 2020
It gives 40% universal health care penetration in your country (40% of all medical bills are picked up by a single payer).

Its nice to have during pandemics.
Turtle Crawler
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Sat Mar 21 20:29:56 2020
Really the whole of the boomer population should have their social security revoked, it should then be distributed into personal accounts along the lines of Austrilia or returned completely.
chuck
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Sat Mar 21 21:00:21 2020
> I pay 50 large in taxes

You looter, I'm at 28k as of end of Feb.
TJ
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Sat Mar 21 22:12:45 2020
"Really the whole of the boomer population should have their social security revoked"

That doesn't seem feasible after reading the link below. Millennial's surpass the boomers population this year and expected to live 10 years on average longer than the average boomer. It is a nasty world.

http://www...y-boomer-retirement-crisis.asp

patom
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Sat Mar 21 22:26:57 2020
Being selfish, I don't care too much about the boomers as I'm a war baby. Leave my SS and Medicare alone!!!
TJ
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Sat Mar 21 23:24:05 2020
Tom:
I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I feel compelled to respond.

What makes a war baby any more important than a post war baby?

Self interest is normal and an important virtue, but...,

the me, me, me attitude is exactly why the world is a nasty place. Most of those boomers are in the same situation as you and did nothing different or less worthy. Nothing personal, just the reality with no pleasure in saying. You worked hard your entire life and couldn't get over the hump while slaving to keep the supply chain of this Country moving. Every service cog deserves better. No one chooses to be born.
sam adams
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Sun Mar 22 03:06:33 2020

"You looter, I'm at 28k as of end of Feb. "

Yikes. Those commies!
jergul
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Sun Mar 22 06:35:10 2020
"What makes a war baby any more important than a post war baby?"

The US and other countries pushed child bearing as a national, patriotic duty during the war years.

Anyone born then is the result of doing what society wanted. There is some inferred added value there.

No one choses to be born indeed. But for that particular period in time, being born was highly encouraged.
jergul
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Sun Mar 22 06:41:31 2020
Patom is also the last generation to pay the pensions of people who did not contribute a penny to their own SS.

It would be a particulary bitter fruit to fuck them over now.
patom
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Sun Mar 22 13:25:05 2020
TJ I was just slapping back at this whole generational divide thing. All I know is that the boomer generation started shortly after WWII, hell I don't know or really care when it transitioned into whichever of the labels is next.

I do find it amusing and sometimes annoying, all this petty bickering over shit not one of us has any control over.

It's almost like, now that people are becoming a little more tolerant of peoples differences, race, religion, etc., they have to find something else to bicker over. As if we don't have enough.

Jergul, in actuality, there really weren't that many that lived a long time on SS. Most of those that were near my fathers age were dead before they turned 70. Dad was a pretty active agitator so he kept himself busy or his mind busy. Loved to stir shit and get young guys all worked up over the silliest things. He had fun till the last 3 or 4 years. He was 86 when he passed.
Nimatzo
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Sun Mar 22 13:34:34 2020
Stiring shit and getting young men worked up, is how every great human achievement started. Also every instance of genocide.
Nimatzo
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Sun Mar 22 13:35:57 2020
I hope the Trump check has his face on it, bright pastel orange like monopoly money.
patom
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Sun Mar 22 13:50:38 2020
LOL Nimatzo, That would be when I start wiping my ass with money :)
Turtle Crawler
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Sun Mar 22 17:14:07 2020
"A key reason Boomers lack funds is the stock market decline of 2008 to 2009. This event scared many older adults out of the markets causing them to miss the subsequent rebound. Panic selling, although understandable, decimated many retirement accounts."

Let the dumb boomers die.
sam adams
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Sun Mar 22 17:30:07 2020

I hope the Trump check has his face on it, bright pastel orange like monopoly money.

Lol
TJ
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Sun Mar 22 18:23:46 2020
Tom:
"TJ I was just slapping back at this whole generational divide thing."

There is an answer for everything. United we stand divided we fall is a team sport. Slapping adds to the divide.

I know it was in jest, but if it spends no one is going to wipe their ass with currency no matter what it looks like unless they have more than they know what to do with and then they most assuredly won't.

I've said it before in this niche. FDR is raising his dead head. There seems to be a lot of historical ignorance.

jergul:
Cutoff criteria is a bitch, eh? What a difference a day makes...

Turtle:
The planet would be in big trouble without "dumb" people. What is your demarcation for dumb? You should think about that for more than a few seconds or you might end up one day meeting your own criteria.

Americans:
The taxpayers, which I'm still one, are paying for the peoples check not Trump.

I guess it is TJ downer day! Usually what goes around comes around.
jergul
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Sun Mar 22 18:35:57 2020
TJ
At this point, its mostly the Federal reserve paying for the checks.

2 trillion bail-out on top of a 1.3 trillion deficit...and its still early days.

TJ
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Sun Mar 22 18:41:19 2020
jergul:

No crap...

Who suffers from government living off the backs of its people? The people will pay one way or the other. Actually, the entire world will pay sooner or later. You can take it to the bank.
patom
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Sun Mar 22 19:48:01 2020
Here's something to listen to while we all bitch and moan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUiRtFRzbxQ
patom
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Sun Mar 22 19:50:39 2020
Per the Washington Post there is no deal on the stimulus package. Damn!! I was just going to spend all that money :(
Habebe
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Thu Mar 26 08:07:27 2020
http://www...n-the-wake-of-coronavirus.html

Accordimg to this those.on SS will still get checks, even people who dont pay taxes will get a check.
Habebe
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Thu Mar 26 08:09:00 2020
However, you are still eligible for a check if you have no income or if you rely solely on non-taxable government benefit programs like Supplemental Security Income benefits, or SSI, from Social Security.

You also must have a valid Social Security number in order to receive the funds.
patom
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Thu Mar 26 14:25:14 2020
We all pay taxes. Sales, Property, Highway use tax, etc. Even renters pay property taxes because the landlord includes them in the rent.
McKobb
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Sat Mar 28 22:22:01 2020
https://youtu.be/FwJduPtCvSM

Hmm
McKobb
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Sat Mar 28 22:22:20 2020
http://youtu.be/FwJduPtCvSM
TJ
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Sat Mar 28 23:55:44 2020
Habebe:

"However, you are still eligible for a check if you have no income" SS is considered income.

If your combined income was more than $34,000, you will pay taxes on up to 85% of your Social Security benefits. For married couples filing jointly, you will pay taxes on up to 50% of your Social Security income if you have a combined income of $32,000 to $44,000.

The wife and I get the knife up to its bolster, 85%.

Tom:
Looks like you and the wife will get 2400 bucks. The truck will be free and clear in no time. :)
Habebe
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Sun Mar 29 00:16:39 2020
Tj, I know that about SS. However even people with no income are apparently eligible which is different from turtle guys original bill which wanted people to have 2500 in taxable income. Now that would exclude SS since afaik it is not taxable.
jergul
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Sun Mar 29 00:21:26 2020
I hear the next package will give y'all 5 acres and a mule.

I told you years of wage slavery would eventually pay off.
TJ
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Sun Mar 29 00:33:44 2020
jergul:

I'm doing fine. I don't want 5 acres or a mule and I don't need the 2400 bucks. I've saved considerably more than that having my wife in lock down for the past 20 days. She decided she didn't want to trip out of country this year so the cash is piling up.
jergul
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Sun Mar 29 00:36:16 2020
The US Treasury has a donate option to help pay down the national debt if you want to opt out.

I am not sure what the going rate will be for the 5 acres and a mule. There may be a glut. But capitalism will sort it out.
TJ
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Sun Mar 29 00:39:04 2020
I'm fairly decent at sorting out without help. You know, capitalism and all that stuff. :D
jergul
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Sun Mar 29 00:39:51 2020
5 000 000 000 0000 (this years federal deficit) - 2500 (TJ opting out and donating to pay down the national debt = 4 999 999 998 750.

Every penny counts!
jergul
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Sun Mar 29 00:40:52 2020
998 500*
Habebe
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Sun Mar 29 00:43:36 2020
998 600*
Habebe
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Sun Mar 29 00:44:21 2020
997 600*

There we go.
TJ
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Sun Mar 29 00:44:44 2020
"The US Treasury has a donate option to help pay down the national debt if you want to opt out."

I'll get right on it after I consult with the council of wizards.
jergul
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Sun Mar 29 00:47:46 2020
"Council of Wizards" Nice!

I am glad the Chicago School of Economics rebranded so tellingly.
jergul
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Sun Mar 29 00:49:53 2020
It will probably just wave you off with a selfish gene cantrip.

But at least you will have magick to support your decision.
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