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patom
Member
Thu Mar 19 13:22:14
First of all I'll believe it when I see it. If we do get these checks I'll be pleasantly surprised and immediately try to cash it before it bounces.

That aside. I will have to give credit to Trump or Congress for this stimulus to the economy.

I bet that within 1 week 99% of that money will be in circulation. Spent on bills and food or clothing.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 19 13:32:14
or booze, whores & gambling
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Mar 19 13:33:16
It's certainly better than the utter retardation that was Trump's payroll tax cut.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 19 13:38:59
This will cover, what, 2 weeks? And it'll be weeks late already.

I wonder how many people will just deposit it and spend their money as they normally would.
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:22:05
"or booze, whores & gambling"

Gotta socially isolate. No whores :(
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:23:07
"I wonder how many people will just deposit it and spend their money as they normally would."

Im getting a new kayak or canoe.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:25:14
On the upside the Dollar is strong atm.
Paramount
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:26:30
A $1000 handout? It sounds like socialism.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:28:58
Paramount, So is public schools and the military.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:30:53
Oh shit, Sam. Good point. I've been needing a new matress for a while.
patom
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:43:44
tumbleweed, sellers of booze spend money, whores spend money, casinos and racetracks are laying people off right now but the money will go into circulation.
obaminated
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:44:12
ive been wanting an xbox 1 but could never justify buying it.... free money while im stuck at home ? okay sounds good.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:45:09
Just don't buy it from Amazon.
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 19 14:56:38
Patom -

What on earth makes you think you deserve a cent from the government? You're retired; you dont need to make up any lost earnings.

In fact, old fucks like you should be cutting the rest of us a fat check. You know, us, the working-age people who are losing out on vital earnings every single day this goes on. Not because the Chinese virus poses any serious threat to ourselves, mind you - it's be barely an inconvenience for us if we contracted it - but because WE'RE willing to sacrifice our financial health and stay at home so YOU dont potentially die from the disease.

WE are all making hard decisions for YOUR benefit...and your response is to have the chutzpah to ask for free money. Fuck off.

You greedy elderly assholes are already plundering Social Security by taking out far more than you put in and leaving us younger folks with Jack shit when we retire. You dont need another unearned $1,000 on top of everything else.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 19 15:01:21
i predict there will be more whores than ever in this collapsed society caused entirely by the so-called 'president' Trump

join gangs now to get ahead of the curve
hood
Member
Thu Mar 19 15:08:37
Hospitalization among the young and healthy isn't negligible. It would be more than an inconvenience, especially when those who need intensive care find the hospital at full capacity.
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 15:10:45

"i predict there will be more whores than ever in this collapsed society caused entirely by the so-called 'president' Trump"

Trump 2020!
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 19 15:14:27
Lol. SJWs and feminism are no match for a pandemic and Trump-style leadership. I'll take it.
TJ
Member
Thu Mar 19 15:17:20
"WE are all making hard decisions for YOUR benefit...and your response is to have the chutzpah to ask for free money. Fuck off."

lol
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 19 15:17:30
Hood -

Meh. Anyone 18-59 who is actually unhealthy enough to be taken out by this thing probably deserves what they get.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 19 15:20:00
pretty sure i heard it can cause scarring in the lungs or other damage to younger people even if it's not killing them
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 15:37:53
"pretty sure i heard it can cause scarring in the lungs or other damage to younger people even if it's not killing them"

In isolated cases
hood
Member
Thu Mar 19 16:45:44
Rugian,

http://www...2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w#T1_down

Hospitalization rate is ~17% for 20-44 and ~25% for 45-54. Even if they aren't dying, hospitalization isn't "barely inconvenienced." It's still serious, just not lethal. Very likely still worth a medium-high level of caution.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Mar 19 17:01:10
Fuck that, you're good, Rugian. Just man up and go get it.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 17:04:08
Trump to Bloomberg " Now this is how you buy an election"
patom
Member
Thu Mar 19 17:08:32
Rugian, I donate a couple of bucks to buy you some kerosene so you can wash your socks. It'll keep the ants off your candy ass. Just make sure you keep the process away from hot surfaces or open flames.

I probably worked more hours in one decade than you have in your entire whinny assed life. I'll take as much as the government is willing to give.

Hell I may need it to pay for my cremation. :)
More likely I'll stock up on Black Velvet and TP.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Mar 19 17:17:44
"I probably worked more hours in one decade than you have in your entire whinny assed life."

lmfao, and quoted for likely truth.
TJ
Member
Thu Mar 19 17:36:49
Tom:

I highly doubt retirees will be getting a check.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 17:38:20
Does anyone have a link fornthe actual bill?
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:07:42
Tj, Idk it sounds** like everyome is getting a 1k.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:09:58
http://www...stimulus-checks-within-9%3famp
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:11:10
Habebe -

WTF are you trying to pull by asking for actual facts to argue over?

patom -

Nigga please. You were a prison guard in Maine. Maine! And that was BEFORE the Somalis moved in. Your day job consisted of sitting around and occasionally getting prank calls about demon clowns running around Derry. You didn't do shit.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:28:27
http://www...Phase-3-stimulus-proposal.html

The actual proposed bill, found it.
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:33:10
They moved somalis to maine?

Wtf is wrong with democrats?
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:36:56
Jump to page 35 in text. It has the criteria.
TJ
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:44:20
Habebe:

I've not seen anything final. Everyone seems unreasonable though. It'll be a percentage of everyone. :)
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:48:09
Tj, I think you were right.

IF I understand what skimmed correctly McConnell's proposal that I linked is for people who pay taxes.

If you have atleast 2500 in taxable income you get 600-1200, double for joint filers, 500 per kid.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:49:32
Also anyone making over 99k gets nothing and those making 75-99k get a smaller %.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:52:44
"McConnell's proposal that I linked is for people who pay taxes."

So people less likely to need the money. Fucking brilliant.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:58:33
Hood, I should have worded that to who have qualifying taxable income.

Gist is this

100k or more gets nothing.

75k/yr gets 1200/PP, but $5 less for every extra $100 in income.

Less than 2500 in qualifying yearly taxable income get nothing.

More than 2500 get somewhere between 600-1200. Im not sure on how exactly that is determined but it seems to be a % ofhow much you make.

Also im umsute how this figures into next year's taxes.
TJ
Member
Thu Mar 19 19:59:48
http://www...rus-package-137607?cid=covid_m

The centerpiece of the Senate Republican proposal — crafted with support from the White House — is a direct payment to qualified Americans of up to $1,200. Married couples could get $2,400. Taxpayers who earn more than $75,000 annually will begin to see that payment reduced by $5 for every $100 they earn over the $75,000 threshold, with those who make more than $99,000 getting nothing. Families with children would get $500 per child.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 20:12:02
Lindsey Graham seems to be saying we shouldn't give out $ Now because we should wait until the economy rebounds.... But I think that defeats the point of giving the $ out to help people when they need it.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Mar 19 20:22:02
Lindsey Graham is a worthless pile of shit and a fucking retard.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 19 20:24:58
Wrath you forgot unapologetic ass licker.
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 20:27:38
"Also anyone making over 99k gets nothing"

Those slimy no good worthless rotten mfers!
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 20:28:17
I pay 50 large in taxes and those scoundrels cant even give me 1k back.
sam adams
Member
Thu Mar 19 20:28:59
Habebe
Member Thu Mar 19 20:12:02
Lindsey Graham seems to be saying we shouldn't give out $ Now because we should wait until the economy rebounds.... But I think that defeats the point of giving the $ out to help people when they need it.
Wrath of Orion
Member Thu Mar 19 20:22:02
Lindsey Graham is a worthless pile of shit and a fucking retard.



Lol that made me laugh
patom
Member
Fri Mar 20 04:14:28
Rugian, I worked 12 hour shifts at the jail for 8 years. Prior to that I drove Truck for the previous 32 years prior to that I worked as a mechanic prior to that I was in the Navy prior to that I did all sorts of jobs to earn my spending money from the time I was 10 and got a paper route.
Since I retired 10 years ago I've 5 more years driving truck and most winters plowing snow. I have driven over 3 million miles in my life time.
Now go wipe your snotty nose you whinny candy ass.
The Children
Member
Fri Mar 20 05:35:10
so they first kick out andrew yang and now they steal his idea?

Habebe
Member
Fri Mar 20 06:12:19
Tc, Chinks aren't allowed to own ideas, its like Jews and Christmas snow.

He should have seen this coming, but his eyes were all slanty, didnt see shit.
Turtle Crawler
Admin
Fri Mar 20 10:47:02
I had go read the proposal to verify the cut off was double for couples.

So I can get $4400, but I have to
A) verify I'll actually pay that much tax
B) try to keep income under 150k

Since the gross will be well above I need to find out if 401k contributions can lower it, if I need to, and how much.
hood
Member
Fri Mar 20 12:45:37
Gotta love the "cut taxes" gang now salivating for government assistance they don't need.
kargen
Member
Fri Mar 20 13:52:15
nah THe Children there is a difference in a one time or two time payment to stimulate the economy during a downfall and a permanent payment for ever and ever until the country finally goes broke. Another difference, Yang's plan would have replaced many of the social programs if fully put in place.
sam adams
Member
Fri Mar 20 14:46:42
"Gotta love the "cut taxes" gang now salivating for government assistance they don't need."

Well ya we pay about 75k in taxes per year, of which about a third... 25k... goes to pure mooching. So getting some scraps back is at least fair.
patom
Member
Fri Mar 20 17:27:44
Least you can do sam :) We paid to educate you.
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Fri Mar 20 22:43:31
“nah THe Children there is a difference in a one time or two time payment to stimulate the economy during a downfall and a permanent payment for ever and ever until the country finally goes broke.”

Except Yang’s plan was not debt-based. His had a VAT as the primary funding mechanism. How is that supposed to make the country “broke”?
sam adams
Member
Fri Mar 20 23:41:57
"We paid to educate you."

And i have no problem funding the education for the next generation.

Im not complaining one bit about computers being given to poor kids or teachers getting paid to not work for a few months of emergency. But lets not pretend our government only spends money on wise things.
kargen
Member
Fri Mar 20 23:45:02
Yeah I know how Yang said he would pay for his plan. I also know how government works. No way the cuts in entitlements Yang proposed would ever happen.
And we all know the price would go up once the people most effected realized they give up a lot more than they get and stand no chance of making ends meet.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Mar 21 00:01:23
I mean most of the moochers are silent generation and baby boomers who will receive much more than what they got in. Meanwhile they will whine about us millennials who will be lucky to see 70 cents on the dollar of what we pay in.
kargen
Member
Sat Mar 21 00:12:56
What the fuck are you going on about Dukhat?
Dukhat
Member
Sat Mar 21 00:14:42
Most government spending is entitlements. Most of that entitlement spending goes to people on social security and medicare.

If you complain about moochers, it's mainly those people that are mooching.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Mar 21 00:41:52
The nation's largest ever Ponzi scheme
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 21 03:55:05
It gives 40% universal health care penetration in your country (40% of all medical bills are picked up by a single payer).

Its nice to have during pandemics.
Turtle Crawler
Admin
Sat Mar 21 13:29:56
Really the whole of the boomer population should have their social security revoked, it should then be distributed into personal accounts along the lines of Austrilia or returned completely.
chuck
Member
Sat Mar 21 14:00:21
> I pay 50 large in taxes

You looter, I'm at 28k as of end of Feb.
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 21 15:12:45
"Really the whole of the boomer population should have their social security revoked"

That doesn't seem feasible after reading the link below. Millennial's surpass the boomers population this year and expected to live 10 years on average longer than the average boomer. It is a nasty world.

http://www...y-boomer-retirement-crisis.asp

patom
Member
Sat Mar 21 15:26:57
Being selfish, I don't care too much about the boomers as I'm a war baby. Leave my SS and Medicare alone!!!
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 21 16:24:05
Tom:
I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I feel compelled to respond.

What makes a war baby any more important than a post war baby?

Self interest is normal and an important virtue, but...,

the me, me, me attitude is exactly why the world is a nasty place. Most of those boomers are in the same situation as you and did nothing different or less worthy. Nothing personal, just the reality with no pleasure in saying. You worked hard your entire life and couldn't get over the hump while slaving to keep the supply chain of this Country moving. Every service cog deserves better. No one chooses to be born.
sam adams
Member
Sat Mar 21 20:06:33

"You looter, I'm at 28k as of end of Feb. "

Yikes. Those commies!
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 21 23:35:10
"What makes a war baby any more important than a post war baby?"

The US and other countries pushed child bearing as a national, patriotic duty during the war years.

Anyone born then is the result of doing what society wanted. There is some inferred added value there.

No one choses to be born indeed. But for that particular period in time, being born was highly encouraged.
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 21 23:41:31
Patom is also the last generation to pay the pensions of people who did not contribute a penny to their own SS.

It would be a particulary bitter fruit to fuck them over now.
patom
Member
Sun Mar 22 06:25:05
TJ I was just slapping back at this whole generational divide thing. All I know is that the boomer generation started shortly after WWII, hell I don't know or really care when it transitioned into whichever of the labels is next.

I do find it amusing and sometimes annoying, all this petty bickering over shit not one of us has any control over.

It's almost like, now that people are becoming a little more tolerant of peoples differences, race, religion, etc., they have to find something else to bicker over. As if we don't have enough.

Jergul, in actuality, there really weren't that many that lived a long time on SS. Most of those that were near my fathers age were dead before they turned 70. Dad was a pretty active agitator so he kept himself busy or his mind busy. Loved to stir shit and get young guys all worked up over the silliest things. He had fun till the last 3 or 4 years. He was 86 when he passed.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Mar 22 06:34:34
Stiring shit and getting young men worked up, is how every great human achievement started. Also every instance of genocide.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Mar 22 06:35:57
I hope the Trump check has his face on it, bright pastel orange like monopoly money.
patom
Member
Sun Mar 22 06:50:38
LOL Nimatzo, That would be when I start wiping my ass with money :)
Turtle Crawler
Admin
Sun Mar 22 10:14:07
"A key reason Boomers lack funds is the stock market decline of 2008 to 2009. This event scared many older adults out of the markets causing them to miss the subsequent rebound. Panic selling, although understandable, decimated many retirement accounts."

Let the dumb boomers die.
sam adams
Member
Sun Mar 22 10:30:07

I hope the Trump check has his face on it, bright pastel orange like monopoly money.

Lol
TJ
Member
Sun Mar 22 11:23:46
Tom:
"TJ I was just slapping back at this whole generational divide thing."

There is an answer for everything. United we stand divided we fall is a team sport. Slapping adds to the divide.

I know it was in jest, but if it spends no one is going to wipe their ass with currency no matter what it looks like unless they have more than they know what to do with and then they most assuredly won't.

I've said it before in this niche. FDR is raising his dead head. There seems to be a lot of historical ignorance.

jergul:
Cutoff criteria is a bitch, eh? What a difference a day makes...

Turtle:
The planet would be in big trouble without "dumb" people. What is your demarcation for dumb? You should think about that for more than a few seconds or you might end up one day meeting your own criteria.

Americans:
The taxpayers, which I'm still one, are paying for the peoples check not Trump.

I guess it is TJ downer day! Usually what goes around comes around.
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 22 11:35:57
TJ
At this point, its mostly the Federal reserve paying for the checks.

2 trillion bail-out on top of a 1.3 trillion deficit...and its still early days.

TJ
Member
Sun Mar 22 11:41:19
jergul:

No crap...

Who suffers from government living off the backs of its people? The people will pay one way or the other. Actually, the entire world will pay sooner or later. You can take it to the bank.
patom
Member
Sun Mar 22 12:48:01
Here's something to listen to while we all bitch and moan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUiRtFRzbxQ
patom
Member
Sun Mar 22 12:50:39
Per the Washington Post there is no deal on the stimulus package. Damn!! I was just going to spend all that money :(
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 26 01:07:27
http://www...n-the-wake-of-coronavirus.html

Accordimg to this those.on SS will still get checks, even people who dont pay taxes will get a check.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 26 01:09:00
However, you are still eligible for a check if you have no income or if you rely solely on non-taxable government benefit programs like Supplemental Security Income benefits, or SSI, from Social Security.

You also must have a valid Social Security number in order to receive the funds.
patom
Member
Thu Mar 26 07:25:14
We all pay taxes. Sales, Property, Highway use tax, etc. Even renters pay property taxes because the landlord includes them in the rent.
McKobb
Member
Sat Mar 28 15:22:01
https://youtu.be/FwJduPtCvSM

Hmm
McKobb
Member
Sat Mar 28 15:22:20
http://youtu.be/FwJduPtCvSM
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 28 16:55:44
Habebe:

"However, you are still eligible for a check if you have no income" SS is considered income.

If your combined income was more than $34,000, you will pay taxes on up to 85% of your Social Security benefits. For married couples filing jointly, you will pay taxes on up to 50% of your Social Security income if you have a combined income of $32,000 to $44,000.

The wife and I get the knife up to its bolster, 85%.

Tom:
Looks like you and the wife will get 2400 bucks. The truck will be free and clear in no time. :)
Habebe
Member
Sat Mar 28 17:16:39
Tj, I know that about SS. However even people with no income are apparently eligible which is different from turtle guys original bill which wanted people to have 2500 in taxable income. Now that would exclude SS since afaik it is not taxable.
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 28 17:21:26
I hear the next package will give y'all 5 acres and a mule.

I told you years of wage slavery would eventually pay off.
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 28 17:33:44
jergul:

I'm doing fine. I don't want 5 acres or a mule and I don't need the 2400 bucks. I've saved considerably more than that having my wife in lock down for the past 20 days. She decided she didn't want to trip out of country this year so the cash is piling up.
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 28 17:36:16
The US Treasury has a donate option to help pay down the national debt if you want to opt out.

I am not sure what the going rate will be for the 5 acres and a mule. There may be a glut. But capitalism will sort it out.
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 28 17:39:04
I'm fairly decent at sorting out without help. You know, capitalism and all that stuff. :D
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 28 17:39:51
5 000 000 000 0000 (this years federal deficit) - 2500 (TJ opting out and donating to pay down the national debt = 4 999 999 998 750.

Every penny counts!
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 28 17:40:52
998 500*
Habebe
Member
Sat Mar 28 17:43:36
998 600*
Habebe
Member
Sat Mar 28 17:44:21
997 600*

There we go.
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 28 17:44:44
"The US Treasury has a donate option to help pay down the national debt if you want to opt out."

I'll get right on it after I consult with the council of wizards.
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 28 17:47:46
"Council of Wizards" Nice!

I am glad the Chicago School of Economics rebranded so tellingly.
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 28 17:49:53
It will probably just wave you off with a selfish gene cantrip.

But at least you will have magick to support your decision.
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