Utopia Talk / Politics / Corona X

Paramount Member	Fri Mar 20 16:38:46 So we are about 10-15 people here? And we have now 1 who is infected?
jergul large member	Fri Mar 20 16:44:18 One who feels like he is infected.
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 20 16:45:26 UP has two posters, me and someone with a massive schizophrenia problem. Hopefully the Chinese virus takes care of the other guy.
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 20 16:46:03 And we can finally bring this nightmare of a place to an end
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 20 16:49:11 Anyway, sorry swordtail lost his job and obaminated is dying.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 20 16:56:23 Maybe my earlier theory about people who drinks whisky won’t get infected with Corona is true. Or, maybe they will only have mild symptoms? Poland will now try to drown the virus in alcohol. It makes sense to try to kill the virus with alcohol. If they tell you to wash your hands with disinfectants, then why not wash your body with whisky? Poland uses contraband spirits to drown virus Poland on Friday said it would use a stockpile of nearly half a million litres of confiscated contraband pure alcohol as disinfectant to combat the coronavirus pandemic. Like other EU members, Poland has introduced sweeping measures to combat the disease, including closing borders to foreigners and asking people to work from home. But like other members of the bloc, it is also low on basic medical equipment, like masks and disinfectant. Working with tax authorities, the state prosecutor's office said Friday it would be "urgently providing state institutions with ethyl alcohol secured during the course of criminal proceedings. "The estimated amount is at least 430,000 litres (113,600 gallons)," it added, in a statement. Instead of being destroyed, several thousand litres have already been handed over for use to disinfect public buildings and transport. Firefighters in Olzstyn, northeast Poland, received 1,000 litres of pure alcohol, while three hospitals in the region received a total 2,500 litres, Marta Rosiak, spokesperson for the local customs administration, told AFP. Aside from hospitals, contraband pure spirits will also be distributed to police, border guards and other public services. http://afp...pirits-to-drown-virus/a/lA574o
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 20 16:59:18 “ One who feels like he is infected” Yeah okay. Maybe Obaminated is only hangover.
hood Member	Fri Mar 20 17:14:44 "RIP Obaminated. 208?- 2020" Wtf, is he benjamin button?
obaminated Member	Fri Mar 20 17:55:07 yeah it really isnt that bad. but again, i am an atheltic 31 year old who hasnt smoked in about 6-8 months and takes daily vitamins. i am the last person that this thing will actually harm. like i said, just tired. i know who fucking got me sick and she will fucking pay for it when this quarantine shit is over. i fucking told her to stay away from me and she kept laughing about it. fucking kiana.
The Children Member	Fri Mar 20 17:59:29 ur country lost controlled a long time ago. butbutbut socalled most prepared and with 3 months of knowledge, still caught like a deer starin in headlights... 3rd world.
The Children Member	Fri Mar 20 18:00:50 just drown away ur sorrows. SPRINGBREAK BABYYYYYYYYEEEEEE!!! yeaaaaa
hood Member	Fri Mar 20 18:22:54 oh shit, am I older than you mt?
obaminated Member	Fri Mar 20 18:37:52 ill be 32 in may
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 20 18:50:43 hold some maga rallies in your free time
Hrothgar Member	Fri Mar 20 20:21:37 Obaminated, When you get better you should volunteer to help hospitals with stuff, since you will be one of the first to be immune to further infection.
Dukhat Member	Fri Mar 20 20:49:04 I was thinking he could be held in suspended animation and his blood constantly extracted to protect the rest of us like in Daybreaks, the Vampire movie starring Ethan Hawke in 2009.
Dukhat Member	Fri Mar 20 20:59:24 Reading some further scientific reports, I have come to the conclusion that this disease may be less bad than it seems from Germany and South Korea numbers. There are many asymptomatic people not being tested even in these high-test countries. It is very weird for a disease to be so contagious and yet so virulent. There is usually an inverse relationship. I think there are 2 things confounding the data. One possibility is that there are 2 strains, one being much more virulent than the other and originating early from Wuhan. Another is that most of our early data came from Wuhan which was inundated with this thing. Even a light disease kills heavily if you inhale a ton of viral load. Germany and South Korea’s lower numbers give me hope. That being said, this thing is still boomer remover even assuming half the case fatality rate south korea and germany has, it’s still several times worse than the Flu for all age groups at least. And its really really bad for people over 70. And it causes a lot of hospitalizations too. The best thing is still to slow the spread as much as possible and get better data from more testing to inform future decisions. Also it gives time to develop better treatments when we all get this thing and become zombie carriers.
obaminated Member	Fri Mar 20 21:43:53 yeah, im usually an asshole, but i am seriously considering volunteering at the urgent care spot near my house.
hood Member	Fri Mar 20 22:54:35 So I got a month on you. Damn.
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 20 23:00:52 Obaminated, I would highly recommend it. Ive dabbled in several charities and never once was it not fufilling.
Pillz Member	Fri Mar 20 23:31:16 Cuckhat is flip-flopping hard on this.
sam adams Member	Fri Mar 20 23:38:42 You have a pulse oximeter or heart rate baseline obaminated? Curious what your readings are. Probably not much difference.
Dukhat Member	Sat Mar 21 00:02:17 Ain't flip flopping dumbass. It's called reading the numbers. It's still going to get bad either way. The best-case scenario has thousands of dying each day.
Dukhat Member	Sat Mar 21 00:02:44 @Pilncelzz
obaminated Member	Sat Mar 21 00:09:09 so health update. i got some serious nasal congestion earlier, i had stopped taken medicine because i thought it was basically over. so that hit me while i was actively talking to my girlfriend. again, it is like a bad cold. not though, after some medicine to clear up my nasals, i am pretty much fine.
Daemon Member	Sat Mar 21 01:40:33 "i got some serious nasal congestion earlier" Have you really been tested for Corona? Because: http://www...mptoms#Sneezing-isnt-a-symptom “In a report from China of more than 1,000 patients, nasal congestion was seen in only one out of every 20 patients,”
Habebe Member	Sat Mar 21 02:25:42 But half of them had stomach problems/shots supposedly
Habebe Member	Sat Mar 21 02:26:05 Shits*
jergul large member	Sat Mar 21 03:49:36 Obam It gives predictability. No matter the outcome, you know you will be in a hospital in a couple weeks. But the odds still heavily favour your not being infected. But give it a few weeks. The odds change fast.
Dukhat Member	Sat Mar 21 04:32:02 He won't be in a hospital. He'll be in a stretcher at his local 7-11 because they run out of beds.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 21 04:34:12 That will definitely be a branch of some hospital. They can't monetize treatment if they are not charging for the cots at satellite sites.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 21 05:52:06 The US just passed China in the number infected per capita (60 to 56 per million).
Wrath of Orion Member	Sat Mar 21 08:35:31 "Have you really been tested for Corona?" Highly unlikely.
patom Member	Sat Mar 21 10:11:16 My daughter in law (Mrs. Aspire) came down with a severe cold and her Dr. had her tested. Results came back negative. Good thing as we share a house. My wife and I were both sick with a nasty cold the from Thanksgiving till after the New Year. I didn't thing it would ever end. Never had anything like it.
Rugian Member	Sat Mar 21 11:32:40 Nani?! "Madagascar Confirmed: 3"
sam adams Member	Sat Mar 21 12:29:04 800 dead in italy today. Theyve lost it. Just infect the whole country and get it over with.
Daemon Member	Sat Mar 21 12:45:01 No vaccine for medical personnel is one of the biggest problems, one example from Germany: (translated) http://www...is-auf-notaufnahme-schliessen/ Because eleven employees of the Marienkrankenhaus in Sankt Wendel in northern Saarland have become infected with the coronavirus and a further 15 employees are in quarantine, the 290-bed hospital is suspending operations except for emergency treatment. The Marienkrankenhaus is the only hospital in the district of Sankt Wendel, which borders directly on the Palatinate. The ban on new admissions was decreed on Friday evening by the district administration in consultation with the Saarland Ministry of Health. A spokesperson for the Marienkrankenhaus said on Saturday that a solution for the 135 patients currently undergoing inpatient treatment is now being sought under high pressure. Transfers are currently being organized. Emergency care, for example for patients suffering a heart attack, stroke or childbirth, will be provided by specialists, but otherwise the hospital will have to be evacuated. [...] Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Pillz Member	Sat Mar 21 13:03:56 Europe will collapse.
Pillz Member	Sat Mar 21 13:05:23 And in all likelihood all of Italy is already infected. # of new cases compared to daily # of deaths / recoveries indicates they're only actually testing the critically ill - who're all dying because Italy is a shithole
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 21 13:06:15 Meanwhile in America, Trump barked at a reporter who asked a legit question what the President has to say to the American people who are worried. Trump barked at him and told him he was a bad reporter. Lol. Then he said, “Let’s see what happens, I feel good about it”. Yeah. Trump feels good about it. So don’t come here with your stupid questions and worries! lol, you hear that? Another reporter then wanted to follow up on that question and asked if the president could address American people who are concerned about the virus. Trump (the supposed President) refused to answer, stepped aside, and handed over the press briefing to someone else. http://youtu.be/N5NQdmHzBTY Maybe people will remember Trump’s disconcern for the American people when the election comes and they are going to vote.
Pillz Member	Sat Mar 21 13:10:08 I'm other news, Quebec has flattened the curve vs the rest of Canada, as a result of closing everything down earlier. Province intends for lockdown to extend until May.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 21 13:13:48 Say goodbye to all of our jobs.
Pillz Member	Sat Mar 21 13:18:12 Maybe we've all learnt a valuable lesson about free movement to 3rd world shit holes.
Pillz Member	Sat Mar 21 13:18:25 (I'm including Italy)
Rugian Member	Sat Mar 21 13:23:20 Pillz - Open borders and political correctness have both been shown to be major spreaders of the virus. Hopefully their support falls to the wayside as a result of this clusterfuck. "Global Times @globaltimesnews The mayor of Florence, Italy, @DarioNardella initiated "hug a Chinese" on Twitter on Feb 1, opposing anger toward China amid the #nCoV2019 outbreak, and calling for "Unity in this common battle!" Many Italian netizens responded by posting photos of themselves with Chinese." http://twi...1495212032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Pillz Member	Sat Mar 21 13:31:55 Hopefully she's tried for crimes against the state
Daemon Member	Sat Mar 21 17:11:08 Photo says it all http://www...ospital-wore-bin-bags-protect/ A major London hospital became the first in the country to be overwhelmed by coronavirus as exhausted nurses revealed they were wearing bin bags to protect themselves. In a message to staff, Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow said it had no critical care beds left after a sudden surge in patients infected with Covid-19. Six people have died at the hospital so far with dozens of others struggling to breathe in intensive care. As pressure grows on hospitals across the UK, one senior health chief suggested an age threshold of 60 might be placed on admissions in order to relieve pressure on beds. The critical incident at Northwick Park was eventually stood down after 24 hours when patients were transferred to nearby hospitals, freeing up space
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 21 18:49:47 Italy is closing all companies. How bad is this gonna get? If the companies are closed then many companies won’t make any money and won’t be able to pay their employees. People who has no savings – how will they be able to buy food and medicine if this drags on for weeks and months even? Maybe Italy will do what Trump did? Give everyone $1000 and that’s it. People will have to survive on that.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Mar 21 18:57:45 the NRA knows what you need to do http://twitter.com/NRA/status/1241418470341980167 (buy guns)
Pillz Member	Sat Mar 21 20:03:03 Damn right. Looking like Italy may collapse come summer time. Spain, France, Portugal and Greece not reporting nearly as terrible deaths. Are they treating respiratory problems with pillows over the face in Italy or what?
sam adams Member	Sat Mar 21 20:04:21 "A major London hospital became the first in the country to be overwhelmed by coronavirus as exhausted nurses revealed they were wearing bin bags to protect themselves." Lol @ seb and his superior socialist healthcare.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 21 23:31:47 Sammy Thats new public managment and just in time principles at work. You know its going to get very bad in the US too.
Dukhat Member	Sun Mar 22 01:09:09 We are in the same boat ...
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 22 02:40:12 PARIS (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron threatened to close France’s border with Britain on Friday if Prime Minister Boris Johnson failed to take more stringent measures to contain the coronavirus outbreak, a French newspaper reported. - - I thought the border was already closed. Didn’t they leave the EU in order ti close the border? Lol
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 22 02:59:38 From a Swedish newspaper. I’m just going to translate the lead paragraph. ANALYSIS · It is too early to say whether the corona virus can be linked to the ongoing climate change. Maybe we will never know. But the corona crisis may be a general repetition of the pandemics that await. Climate scientists have long warned of the spread of infectious viruses in a warmer and wetter world. With its warmer winters, Sweden has increasingly poor protection. http://www...opplas-till-klimatforandringar Yeah, we may never know if Corona is linked to climate change. We may also never really know if Corona is God’s punishment for Gay Pride Parades and hatred of Israel. Religious experts has long warned us to not sin and to not be gay because then God may punish us.
Habebe Member	Sun Mar 22 03:08:23 I'm drunk m beyond words. Lokemstupid drunk. Duck all you kikes. Like stupid drunk.
Interesting Facts Member	Sun Mar 22 03:36:09 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4590612/ Clinicians have long observed an association between excessive alcohol consumption and adverse immune-related health effects such as susceptibility to pneumonia. In recent decades, this association has been expanded to a greater likelihood of acute respiratory stress syndromes (ARDS), sepsis, alcoholic liver disease (ALD), and certain cancers; a higher incidence of postoperative complications; and slower and less complete recovery from infection and physical trauma, including poor wound healing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 22 04:18:36 42 days until the collapse of civilization.
Pillz Member	Sun Mar 22 04:21:39 Just Italy. I'm sure the EU will pry more freedoms from the citizens of Europe in response to this.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Mar 22 04:48:16 In a communist society a lockdown would be organised in very few hours and every citizen would obey. The virus would be eliminated in 14 days. More freedoms means more suffering.
Daemon Member	Sun Mar 22 05:33:51 WTF http://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/ [...] Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%. The multivariate-probabilistic sensitivity analysis results supported the base-case findings, with a 75% probability for the false-positive rate of positive results over 47%. Conclusions: In the close contacts of COVID-19 patients, nearly half or even more of the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' reported in the active nucleic acid test screening might be false positives.
jergul large member	Sun Mar 22 06:45:49 That is why healthy people should not be tested I guess. Celebrity and politician overrepresentation (I think) may be based on them taking tests they should not have taken - and getting a false positive result as a reward.
Seb Member	Sun Mar 22 07:08:58 Jergul: The US does actually have a rather large number of ICU beds per capita. It's just harder to access them under normal circumstances.
jergul large member	Sun Mar 22 07:55:17 The critical number is occupancy rate. The US does really well by that metric too. But the bottleneck is always personnel.
Jebbebiah Wilkins Member	Sun Mar 22 08:08:11 Big pharma stops Alex selling cheap medicine against Corona: http://ag....ng-fake-coronavirus-treatments
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Mar 22 09:36:44 The information about that Chinese journal is...not good at best. I certainly wouldn't take what they are publishing as gospel. There's also no (convenient) way for me to check their methodology and statistics since that journal is only published in a Chinese language.
sam adams Member	Sun Mar 22 10:34:09 "Clinicians have long observed an association between excessive alcohol consumption and adverse immune-related health effects" Well shit.
Seb Member	Sun Mar 22 10:53:15 jergul: It will vary over time - I'm wondering about when we start training a special class of medical orderly whose job is simply to intubate people, and nothing else. Probably only when ventilators are not the limiting factor.
jergul large member	Sun Mar 22 11:21:51 Seb Time and places. Right now the specialists needed are those that can map contact cicles of detected cases. China had 1000nds of 4 person teams doing only this. The great irony of economic slowdowns when what is actually neeed is mobilization. Our systems are just not flexible enough to meet challenges in a timely manner.
hood Member	Sun Mar 22 11:22:23 Yeah, I've told my coworkers on more than one occasion that instead of cancelling nursing classes (which is happening, as they don't want to put them through clinicals), they should be developing 4 week crash courses on the required skills to deal with covid. Probably something I should be telling the leaders, not my fellow peons, but whatevs. Those people wouldn't be listening to be anyway.
Dukhat Member	Sun Mar 22 11:49:28 I mean, it's just like dealing with any viral pneumonia only you need more PPE because of airborne precautions. Oh and it looks like very high viral load can overwhelm even young people. Good thing we have almost run out even though Trump told us we can just reuse it anyways.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 22 11:50:48 new cure: Okeechobee County Commissioner Bryant Culpepper at emergency meeting says you can kill coronavirus by holding a blow dryer up to your nose after he saw it on “reliable source” OANN, warns “there’s a lot of baloney out there on social media” #BecauseFlorida http://twitter.com/BillyCorben/status/1241740081343447040 he also claims OAN is the fastest growing network on cable... let's hope not, it would destroy the nation more than any Italian virus
Pillz Member	Sun Mar 22 12:52:14 US reported 13k new cases today.
Rugian Member	Sun Mar 22 13:16:03 Pillz - I think that's total cases, not new ones.
Daemon Member	Sun Mar 22 13:17:19 BREAKING NEWS: Germany bans gang bangs, Merkel isolates herself in the Führerbunker http://www...ermany-coronavirus-budget.html Germany on Sunday barred groups of more than two people from gathering as Chancellor Angela Merkel said she herself was going into isolation because her doctor had tested positive for the coronavirus. The chancellor was informed of her doctor’s condition after a news conference Sunday at which she announced the tough new measures banning social contact with more than one other person outside one’s own household. The doctor vaccinated Ms. Merkel against pneumonia on Friday, the chancellor’s office said. Ms. Merkel said the new social-distancing rules, which will be in place for at least two weeks, were among the strictest by any country on movement outside the home, and they were announced as global infections surpassed 300,000 and the death toll topped 13,000. In Germany, the number of confirmed cases risen to more than 23,900 by Sunday, with more than 90 deaths. [...] Germany also planned to take on new debt for the first time since adopting a law requiring a balanced budget after the 2008 financial crisis. It will enact an exception to the law to allow the government borrow tens of billions of euros to help companies survive the looming recession and secure millions of jobs.
Pillz Member	Sun Mar 22 13:23:39 No rugian, you're well past 30k total cases now.
Rugian Member	Sun Mar 22 13:27:54 Oh wow, that number has jumped a lot over the last couple of days. My bad.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 22 13:47:21 40k infected ~1% dead USA
Sam Adams Member	Sun Mar 22 14:12:01 Merkel and rand paul have it?
Daemon Member	Sun Mar 22 14:32:00 What's a Kraut without sauerkraut!!! (translated) http://www...-des-bundesrats/story/26459141 [...] Nevertheless, he is already feeling the first effects of the corona pandemic. For his group of companies also includes Schöni Swissfresh AG, one of the largest producers of sauerkraut. Because the demand for food with a longer shelf life has exploded, Schöni is currently buying sauerkraut in Germany. And notes: "The kilo currently costs one and a half times as much as usual." In France, certain producers have stopped exporting sauerkraut. [...] Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 22 14:59:18 Rand Paul has it, i think Merkel just quarantining as a doctor she saw has it
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 22 16:02:37 We are basically all gonna get Corona. And if I am to get it I rather want it now than later. What is the best way to get Corona? In the past days I have commuted with the shuttle train and with the subway. I have eaten at restaurants, and today I was at Mall of Scandinavia. But so far I don’t feel anything. But there are very few people outside.. so...
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 22 16:03:36 Lick the interior of the bus.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 22 16:04:16 Also, lick random people on the streets.
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 22 16:05:06 Lol
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 22 16:09:11 I could get all kind of diseases if I liked the interior of the bus.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 22 16:09:56 It's like Pokemon.
Average Ameriacn Member	Sun Mar 22 16:16:30 Just hug a gook and you will get the Chinese virus.
Pillz Member	Sun Mar 22 17:04:52 Go to china town, find the Asian medicinal store. Lick everything in there.
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 22 17:36:51 I don’t know if we have a China town in my city. We have chinese restaurants.
Average Ameriacn Member	Sun Mar 22 17:49:22 Chinese restaurants will do. You don't even need to enter and pay for their crap, just find their garbage bin and lick it.
Pillz Member	Sun Mar 22 18:27:41 US numbers adjusted down. 32k infected. Reported 8k today. Probably overtake Italy by Tuesday. Over a million infected in the US is looking likely. Europe should fizzle out around the end of April... US might cancel summer. Toronto will explode this week
sam adams Member	Sun Mar 22 21:00:27 "Probably overtake Italy by Tuesday." Only cause those clowns arent testing much. Italy has half a million cases or so.
jergul large member	Sun Mar 22 21:09:05 Italy has tested 258 000 people. Or close to exactly what the US has tested.
sam adams Member	Sun Mar 22 21:53:29 http://www...-they-should-leave-11584897686 folks with money are getting out of filthy urban cores. Smart folks with money, of course, never lived in urban cores to start with.
sam adams Member	Sun Mar 22 21:55:38 "Italy has tested 258 000 people." Assiming their death rate is correct, they have more cases than that.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 23 03:56:48 Sam Some ungodly % of the Italian population were alive when Caesar conquered Gaul.
Daemon Member	Mon Mar 23 04:20:22 http://amp...ists-battle-coronavirus-spread Coronavirus: Hong Kong to ban overseas tourists and alcohol sales at thousands of bars and restaurants (…) Explaining the rationale behind the drinking crackdown, she said: “In restaurants, meals can still be served [without alcohol] ... But in bars, people sometimes get intimate after drinking, and this will raise the risk of cross-infection.”
Daemon Member	Mon Mar 23 10:22:59 France: 3 doctors dead (translated) http://www...us-in-frankreich-tot-340968027 23.03.20, 12:44 dpa AFX PARIS (dpa-AFX) - According to media reports, two more doctors have died in France after infection with the novel coronavirus. A 66-year-old gynaecologist and obstetrician from Mulhouse in the severely affected region of Grand Est died on Sunday in the university hospital in Dijon, the regional newspaper "Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace" reported on Monday. He had been practicing in Mulhouse until 12 March and probably became infected during this time, the newspaper wrote, referring to the clinic. He then went to his country house in the Burgundy region and ended up in hospital with respiratory problems. Also in the Grand Est region, a 60-year-old general practitioner died. He was admitted to a clinic in Saint-Avold on Wednesday with respiratory problems, the French news agency AFP reported, citing the mayor of the town. The entire Grand Est region, which also borders on Germany, is one of the epidemic hotspots in France. At the weekend, a 60-year-old emergency doctor in Compiègne, some 80 kilometres north of Paris, died after infection with the coronavirus. He is said to be the first doctor in France to have fallen ill and died from Covid-19. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
sam adams Member	Mon Mar 23 11:27:30 Man it must suck to live in a city during things like this.
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