Utopia Talk / Politics / Urine Test

Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 19 04:18:56 Urine Test -- This guy has a point!!! This was written by a construction worker in Fort McMurray .. Read on . . . I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes, and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay check, I work on a rig site for a Fort McMurray construction project.. At any time I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem. HOWEVER, what I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Understand - I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse, drinking beer and smoking dope. Could you imagine how much money this country would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
juztav Member	Wed Nov 19 04:29:34 damn good point. while we're on the subject, if you ever need to pass a urine test, drink 4L of pineapple juice the day before. I was sceptical when I was told that, but about 4 years ago, I had to do a urine test to get a job at an abatoir. I had been smoking on the friday and saterday, spent all day sunday drinking pineapple juice, and on monday I passed the test and got the job.
Goreth Member	Wed Nov 19 04:39:11 Yeah, good idea. People on welfare shouldn't be able to buy drugs with the money.
MrBBonz Member	Wed Nov 19 05:18:49 That is actually a very valid point. I enjoyed reading that. Hopefully somewhere, somehow it will gain momentum. But I am afraid that some darky somewhere will complain that it is against his privacy, because not all jobs require passing of a drug test :( Sucks, but I can see the naacp doing something stupid like that...
nhill Member	Wed Nov 19 05:30:41 It's even easier than what justav said to pass a urine test. I've been passing them for years. My Routine Wake up and smoke weed 8 AM Start drinking water 9 AM Drink as much as possible initially. Wait to piss once then drink 20 more oz. Piss again and drink 20 more ounces. Pass drug test 10:30 AM Smoke weed in celebration 11 AM This is assuming you have at least 90 minutes in advance though :P
nhill Member	Wed Nov 19 05:34:07 Forgot to add: If they are suspicious about the piss being clear take a high quantity of niacin supplement a few hours before the test. Will yellow that whiz right up.
Goreth Member	Wed Nov 19 05:46:09 "But I am afraid that some darky somewhere will complain that it is against his privacy, because not all jobs require passing of a drug test :(" Then he should get such a job, instead of whining about not being able to get drunk/high on someone elses money.
dark waters Member	Wed Nov 19 10:36:01 ==:)). . . . . . . . . . . . . ....
Alarmed Member	Wed Nov 19 10:39:28 "Could you imagine how much money this country would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?" Depends on how much it costs to administer the tests. Probably it would cost more than it saved. And also there are plenty of ways to get around it.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 10:41:13 Fort McMurray is in Canada, godless commie canucks are drug fiends and welfare queens. They pay way too much attention to privacy. Privacy is for law abiding people, not for everybody. Never mind that these welfare recipients haven't broken any laws yet, they might, and that is what counts.
Alarmed Member	Wed Nov 19 10:49:27 The poor don't deserve rights, see, because they're not really people.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 10:52:39 They are people only until they take government money. I am all for taking it even further. Every employee, every exec in every industry that receives any kind of taxpayers' money, must be urine tested. Every student or proffessor in every university that gets any kind of government cash too.
Alarmed Member	Wed Nov 19 10:54:35 That'd create an awful lot of government bureaucracy.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 10:55:36 "That'd create an awful lot of government bureaucracy. " No. haven't you read Rod's post?? "Could you imagine how much money this country would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? " Do try to keep up. -30-
Alarmed Member	Wed Nov 19 10:56:05 Welfare actually serves capital. Without welfare you have a huge underclass of people with no prospects or security who would turn to crime or revolution.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 10:57:04 "Without welfare you have a huge underclass of people with no prospects or security who would turn to crime or revolution. " Not unless you fight many, many wars. Then you need cannon fodder.
Alarmed Member	Wed Nov 19 10:57:33 CR, HotRod fantasizing about such a policy saving money does not mean that such a policy actually would save money.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 10:58:26 "CR, HotRod fantasizing about such a policy saving money does not mean that such a policy actually would save money. " wha.. wha.. what? It doesn't?
Alarmed Member	Wed Nov 19 10:58:38 "Not unless you fight many, many wars. Then you need cannon fodder." You've got me there. They tend to be rather expensive and bureaucracy-intensive too, though.
Alarmed Member	Wed Nov 19 11:00:04 "It doesn't?" Probably not. People can get around the tests too easily, and the tests would be expensive to administer.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 11:13:31 "Probably not. People can get around the tests too easily, and the tests would be expensive to administer. " See, now you are trying to put a price on something priceless. A good police state is worth it.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 19 11:27:09 Alarmed, pay no attention to CR. He is a socialist and believes that the more worthless a person is, the more they deserve from the government. Isn't that right Andy.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 11:29:56 I supported you, Rod, you senile teen lover. What is this attack for? We should indeed test everybody, why would anyone who recieves any taxpayers money take drugs?
Eikeys Ghost Sports Mod	Wed Nov 19 11:44:36 just an example of the assault on the middle class. And an example that the government can fuck with you any time they want. It's not storm troopers marching the streets that is going to signal the start of facsism. It's shit like this and baby steps down that path. But what the fuck... as long as people are happy sucking up government checks and pot.... who am I to care.
Hellfire Member	Wed Nov 19 12:06:36 "Could you imagine how much money this country would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? " Can you imagine how much money this country would SAVE and MAKE if drugs like weed, coke and ecstasy were legalized? We wouldn't need to spend money on the lawyers, the courts, the law enforcement, the prisons AND we could tax them heavily like you do with cigarettes and alcohol? "I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse, drinking beer and smoking dope." Good for you... What a fucking moronic statement. I have a problem with people sitting on their ass. They can do that with or without drugs, what a pointless waste of money to set up the bureaucracy and do all the testing. If you're worried about money legalize that shit... otherwise you're just being retarded.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 19 12:08:22 "If you're worried about money legalize that shit... otherwise you're just being retarded. " And licence it. And tax it. Like liquor.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 19 13:13:25 Of course drugs should be legal, but even if they were welfare money should not be spent on them or alcohol. Actually, the problem would be solved by cutting off the welfare programs.
Master Bates Member	Wed Nov 19 13:38:39 If theres any time you need dope its when your life is so fucked up, you're on welfare.
habebe Member	Wed Nov 19 17:55:07 I have to actually agree with helfire on this and a several others in saying that UT's are WAY too easy to pass, and other methods all have their flaws. This would merley add to to the ever growing government waste. The tests are to easy to pass, it would probably cost more in equipment/training red tape etc. then it would save, good intention, but probably bad results. The money would probably be better spent on helping those on welfare who are addicted/have drug problems obtain help to quit. Never underestimate the ingenuity of Americans to find tricks/loopholes around such laws.
habebe Member	Wed Nov 19 18:03:28 One thing I actually support on the democrats agenda is to end the no monetary welfare for anyone with drug dealing offenses. Think about, these people were drug dealers, went to jail, get out broke as fuck, no job, it's now harder for them to get real jobs and if they need welfare money, they are denied this? what do you think they will do?Become Doctors or continue dealing drugs, possibly more so to get back on their feet, getting more violent in defense of their trade causing the society more than if they just allowed them that little bit of welfare money aned mabey assisted in job training. You can't ask for a cat only if it barks, the biological rules that govern feline characteristics are not any less rigid than social sciences, people are predictable.
Alarmed Member	Thu Nov 20 06:30:07 Why does anyone think that ending welfare is a good idea? I mean, I can see the ideological libertarian/conservative problem with it, but the result would force hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people into becoming criminals.
KreeL Member	Thu Nov 20 14:30:06 My argument is that urine tests made mandatory by employers should be outlawed. Problem solved.
Real Fred Member	Thu Nov 20 14:50:18 If ANYONE should have been required to take a pre-employment piss test, it was George Bush. Of course it's way too late now but look at how badly he has fucked EVERYTHING up. I'm sure that being an alcoholic coke-head was a big factor in his criminal activities.
MrBBonz Member	Thu Nov 20 15:11:10 Where I work (Amazon) they give mouth swabs, they arent very expensive at all. Granted you cant be fired for failing it, but if you do you have to take a urine test, which is more accurate. Just make welfare people take the mouth swab, and then go from there.
habebe Member	Thu Nov 20 17:04:34 Mrbb, I know the mouth swab test, but while they are cheap and easy, again they have a major flaw, they only go back a few days (I beleive 2-3) and can be made useless very easily with mouthwash and or vitamins Alarmed, While I do not like how welfare is handled in certain respects, as far as government programs go, it's not that badly handled (SS is probably the worst) and look, I'm almost as conservative as they come, however like I've said before people are predictable, if someone is living on welfare and then loses it without gaining a job, most will become criminals and end up costing us MUCH more as a society.
nhill Member	Thu Nov 20 17:13:26 Urine tests aren't accurate you ignorant pieces of shit
Chen Member	Thu Nov 20 18:52:01 Piss tests aren't cheap. I agree with the premise, but people know ways around them and they will be very expensive to administer.
patom Member	Thu Nov 20 20:00:13 I believe that there was a mayor of Savanagh, Ga. who evicted anyone from public housing that was convicted for drug traffickng.
Chen Member	Thu Nov 20 20:39:39 Patom - That's one thing, but administering drug tests to everyone is a completely different animal. The government is going to have to for whatever amount of drug tests they want to perform on top of a follow up test for someone who fails. The end result will end up costing more money than it saves in all likelihood.
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