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Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Mar 29 05:02:43
Back to basics.
Paramount
Member
Sun Mar 29 05:05:40
Maybe the 1% can step in and fund the rest of the society now. They could pay people’s bills, food and medicines now when everyone is losing their jobs. They can do that out of their own free will, or risk being robbed by the masses of hungry disgruntled people.

Also, who will be on top when the crisis is over. China or USA?
Daemon
Member
Sun Mar 29 05:24:29
Food may become more expensive:

http://www...navirus-farm-labor-europe.html

PARIS — When Europe tightened its borders to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, France’s biggest farmers sounded an alarm: The workers they rely on from other countries to harvest much of the nation’s food could no longer make the trip.

The concern is widespread. In Britain, farmers are struggling to find people to pick raspberries and potatoes. Part of Germany’s prized white asparagus crop risks rotting in the ground. And in Italy, over a quarter of the strawberries, beans and lettuce ripening in coming months may lack harvesters.

European governments have declared food supplies a matter of national security as millions flock to supermarkets to brace for prolonged home confinement. But border lockdowns have immobilized legions of seasonal workers from Eastern Europe who toil in fields from Spain to Sweden, forcing a rapid rethink of how to supply labor to those farms.

France’s agriculture minister this week trumpeted what sounded like a surreal call for hairdressers, waiters, florists and others temporarily unable to work at their mothballed businesses to head to the nation’s fields and start picking.

“I’m calling on this shadow army, on the many men and women who want to work,” Didier Guillaume, the minister, said on BFM television on Tuesday. “We have to produce to feed the French.”

Europe isn’t about to run out of food. Truckloads of pasta, tomatoes and other goods continue to cross the continent, with bottlenecks at some borders. But the widening clarion call to citizens underscores an uncomfortable reality: Without low-cost mobile labor from Eastern Europe, the breadbaskets of Europe’s wealthier economies risk losing their harvest.
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Paramount
Member
Sun Mar 29 08:37:05
”In Britain, farmers are struggling to find people to pick raspberries and potatoes.”

Can’t Brits pick the berries and potatoes themselves? If there is a crisis, Boris should be able to order out the Brits to the potatoe fields.
Rugian
Member
Sun Mar 29 08:49:53
This title sucks
Pillz
Member
Sun Mar 29 09:12:45
This title is great once you realize cuckhat made two other threads with the same stupid theme.
Pillz
Member
Sun Mar 29 10:17:15
Sounds like Norway is just going to cycle through all the drugs they have on hand for things that are uncommon in Norway.
Daemon
Member
Sun Mar 29 10:23:13
Even if Corono kills millions, overpopulation will increase:

http://www...onavirus-shuts-down-production

A global shortage of condoms is looming, the world’s biggest producer has said, after a coronavirus lockdown forced it to shut down production.

Malaysia’s Karex Bhd makes one in every five condoms globally. It has not produced a single condom in its three Malaysian factories for more than a week because of a lockdown imposed by the government to halt the spread of the virus.

That is already a shortfall of 100m condoms, normally marketed internationally by brands such as Durex, supplied to state healthcare systems such as Britain’s NHS or distributed by aid programmes such as the UN Population Fund.

The company was given permission to restart production on Friday, but with only 50% of its workforce, under a special exemption for critical industries.

“It will take time to jumpstart factories and we will struggle to keep up with demand at half capacity,” said the chief executive, Goh Miah Kiat.

“We are going to see a global shortage of condoms everywhere, which is going to be scary,” he said. “My concern is that for a lot of humanitarian programmes … in Africa, the shortage will not just be two weeks or a month. That shortage can run into months.”
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Daemon
Member
Sun Mar 29 10:29:16
British fetish shop supports the NHS:

http://twitter.com/MedFet_UK/status/1243590308878848002

MedFetUK
@MedFet_UK
Today we donated our entire stock of disposable scrubs to an NHS hospital. It was just a few sets, because we don't carry large stocks, but they were desperate, so we sent them free of charge.
We don't usually do politics on Twitter, but here's a short thread.
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Paramount
Member
Sun Mar 29 11:04:02
Here is that video from Italy I mentioned earlier in a thread somewhere.

Things are about to hit the fan in Italy. Could this happen in the US also?



Videos have emerged of desperate people in Italy begging for help because they have run out of money and food.

Well into its third week of the coronavirus lockdown, Italy is still seeing many hundreds of people dying each day.

Progress in containing the COVID-19 spread is slow, hope and patience are fading and the economic cost is becoming ever more acute.

The strain is showing in the south of the country where one man in Apulia reportedly called police after the bank closed and they couldn't withdraw his mother's pension - their only income.

Footage shows him shouting at officers, telling them the family has no money, his mother begging them to go to their home so she could show them they have no food. It's hard to watch. It's what desperation looks like.

Another video has been shared around the country showing a father with his young daughter addressing the Italian prime minister, saying: "It's already 15-20 days that we've been inside and we're at our limit."


He gestures to his little girl who is eating a piece of bread and says: "Like my daughter, other children in a few days won't be able to eat this bit of bread. Rest assured, you will regret this because we're going to have a revolution."

Images have also emerged of police descending on supermarkets in Palermo in Sicily after reports people have started stealing to feed themselves. And groups have been set up in the last few days on social media to organise raids of supermarkets.

Sky News was sent a video message of a man in Sicily with a gun even offering to kill.

The mayor of Palermo told Sky News crime gangs are exploiting people's hardship and inciting violence - he warns a social emergency is next.

"Discomfort and malaise are growing and we are recording worrying reports of protest and anger that is being exploited by criminals who want to destabilise the system," said Leoluca Orlando.

"The more time passes, the more resources are exhausted. The few savings people have are running out. This tells us socio-economic issues will erupt."

Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has made €25bn available to support families and businesses affected by lockdown. Some say they're still waiting for that help.

Others don't qualify because their employment is not officially recorded. Italy has a big cash economy of unregistered workers - the large majority of this in the south.

The further south you go, the higher the level of deprivation and the higher the unemployment.

While the virus hasn't reached the same crisis levels in southern Italy, hunger and hardship threaten to be even bigger problems.

Italy is ahead of other countries in this outbreak and unrest threatens to be the next chapter in this crisis.

As the country struggles to bring the virus spread under control, the government has extended lockdown from 3 April with no new deadline.

Lockdown is the only solution to save lives.

But in southern Italy, for many, it feels like it's threatening their very survival.

Video at site: http://new...ial-unrest-is-brewing-11965122


If people are raiding supermarkets, there won’t be any food left for honest people who are looking to pay for their food.
Borthas
Member
Sun Mar 29 11:31:22
People are still talking about the #TrumpPlague?
chuck
Member
Sun Mar 29 16:05:45
Talk to Cuomo: <Nothin about quarantines>

Talk the DeSantis, the asshat who couldn't be pissed to close his beaches to moronic bro-fest Gen Z'ers: Your Trumpiness, we must consider quarantining New York. The snowbirds coming to their second homes are killing us down here.

@realDonaldTrump: I am giving consideration to a QUARANTINE of developing “hot spots”, New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. A decision will be made, one way or another, shortly.

Experts: Yeah, you can't do that.

@realDonaldTrump: A quarantine will not be necessary.

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The King of the Incompetents
chuck
Member
Sun Mar 29 16:23:29
We really should just split into multiple countries at this point.

To paraphrase the Righteous Brothers, you've lost that fraternal feeling, whoa whoa, that fraternal feeling. You've lost that fraternal feeling now it's gone, gone, gone, whoa whoa-oh.

Let's not dwell on those bonds any more. You take the breadbasket and the Grand Canyon, we'll take the GDP and the tax base. How about it?
Dakyron
Member
Sun Mar 29 17:01:59
Uhh... no. We will not be lumped in with California.
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 29 17:09:08
Chuck
Surely the more Americas, the better? How many states, territories and federal districts are there anyway?

Dakyron
Member
Sun Mar 29 17:13:07
But re:Italy, this is why 3+ months of social distancing is both unrealistic and possibly more harmful than the virus.

Its been two and a half weeks in the US and stores are already running out of basic commodities like paper towels. The economy is cratering, and the US government has already spent $2T it didn't have. Imagine another 9-10 weeks of this. Riots, thefts, etc... are very possible.
Dakyron
Member
Sun Mar 29 17:14:52
50 states, plus D.C., Puerto Rico, USVI, Guam, Marshall Islands, American Samoa, and probably a few more I'm not thinking of.
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 29 17:15:28
The alternative is a WTC level of deaths every 12 hours. We saw how batshit everything went after only one of those.
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 29 17:16:28
Guam will be fine as an independent State. It could name its price for Chinese "investments".
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 29 17:19:16
Its quite the conundrum. The US is probably not robust enough to manage the outbreak rate and probably not rebust enough to accept lives lost if unmanaged.

Plague or Cholera. Choices, choices.

The third option is to mismanage control and get both the economic implosion and the loss of life.
Pillz
Member
Sun Mar 29 18:13:27
@dakyron

Stores are running out of things because they're facing sustained increased volume of 50-100% (sales & customers), with spikes towards the higher end of that after every major announcement.

No store is equipped to restock their fruits, meats, grocery, dairy, frozen departments from bone dry to full. Let alone daily. With the strain of extra customers on service departments, delivery & pickup is up 100-1000% across stores I've got updates from.

Logistically, distribution centers haven't got the people to prepare all that stock, so the issue of being unable to stock it is moot. And there aren't enough drivers.

All the inventory exists - although factories are retooling to meet increased demands for certain products. Certain yogurts have had production slashed because they had to retool to produce milk because we have all the raw milk on earth, but can't process it fast enough.

I strongly suspect we also can't produce cartons for eggs fast enough, although eggs themselves don't seem to be an issue.

Anyways, it's been 3 weeks and we're all adapting. Because of the government cutting hours and mandating fewer people in the store, the problem of burnout has been solved. Stock is still an issue for bigger stores. And items in stupid high demand like toilet paper are being distributed evenly across all stores (same as most stock). So one of my two tiny stores recently got a single pallet of toilet paper. It last us a day and a half.

At my old store, even with a limit of 2, we were doing a van (28 pallets) in a day...

It is a crazy time to be a live.

chuck
Member
Sun Mar 29 19:17:02
California is a steal. I was assuming they would come with New York and Co anyway. I imagine you'd end up with basically blue parentheses surrounding the red dot of Trumplandia if one looked at it on a map, where Virginia and NC could go either way but SC and points south are going with the heartland.

The SJW nonsense that drives "conservatives" nuts comes from a relatively small core of far left morons. The second greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing 40% of the United States to radicalize by showing them clips of the much smaller proportion of unfathomably dumb left wingers going on about their pet causes. Or maybe the second greatest trick was inventing single issue voters. It's irrelevant. Def willing to take left wing idiots and their pet causes to get that California tech ecosystem, especially if it means giving the good folks of Trumplandia the gift of self-determination. We'll just outlaw Twitter and that will be that.

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All the articles about "~50% of infections are in NY" miss the point. NYC is the densest place in the United States and some optimists elsewhere act like that's the reason there are so many cases (and soon, deaths) here. Cutting off New York won't fix this now that the infection is already everywhere though. The density might give NYC a steeper curve, but the places where this grows unconstrained longest will be the places hit the hardest ultimately. An exponential function is an exponential function...the exponent ultimately dominates. It's why "compound interest is the most powerful force in the universe". New York got hit early because lots of people travel through New York. We've had more time to get up the curve and so we look like a special case - just like Italy looked like a special case. The truth is, it's China that was a special case. The period of unconstrained growth here has gone on for longer than almost anywhere else in the United States. Y'all are just playing catch up right now, and most of you don't even know it.

Everywhere in the United States that doesn't take measures to prevent this has no reason to expect a different outcome. By all means, open back up for business at Easter so that you can have lovely photo opportunities of church pews filled with the faithful. Good photo ops are concern numero uno in crisis management after all.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Mar 29 19:43:34
The US is wealthy enough to deal with this. Having drive-thru testing in every metropolitan area and in the suburbs would be affordable if expensive.

Mass production of masks distributed so that asymptomatic people don't infect others. Enforced social distancing in all dense hot-spots.

It won't be perfect and there will be outbreaks again but you can at least return the economy to an ok state.
Habebe
Member
Sun Mar 29 19:49:51
I would add to Dukhats post that i liked the idea of the.blood tests to determine who has had the virus and is no longer contagious to let those folks get back to work while maintaining quarintine.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Mar 29 19:57:48
Bill Gates says it would take about a 6-week lockdown. Because the disease takes about 3-4 weeks to progress and up to 2 weeks to show any symptoms, that's what it takes to get hospital cases under control.

Keeping this thing burning bright is even worse. So while Dak is apocalyptic about the economy, because Trump basically ignored the Pandemic plan put in place by previous presidents (and had no testing available), it is the best plan we have available.

People are not going to start shopping and working again until they see deaths start going down on the news. Letting this thing burn through the population means over a million deaths and overburdened ER's months. Doctors would probably quit en masse.

So it's bad, but the alternative is worse in every way.
Habebe
Member
Sun Mar 29 20:30:46
". And groups have been set up in the last few days on social media to organise raids of supermarkets."

I feel like this was the norm in Italy long before the virus.
Daemon
Member
Sun Mar 29 23:10:56
Let's see if it is true:

http://med...-coronavirus-test-7c7a3c7265de

A new type of sensor device from the German health technology company Digital Diagnostics AG can be used for immediate tests for the new SARS coronavirus. The SARS-CoV-2 MEMS 5 Minute Test™ is created as a pocket size lab and can be used in four steps anywhere on site by general practitioners, paramedics and nursing staff without any training. The SARS-CoV-2 MEMS 5 Minute Test™ provides test results with greater accuracy at any point during the course of the infection than previously available rapid test strips. The first prototypes of the biosensor will be available by end of April with first production devices by mid-May.

Compared to previously known rapid tests looking for the presence of antibodies in the test-liquid, the SARS-CoV-2 MEMS 5 Minute Test™ leads to a clear “YES” or “NO” result regarding the presence of the actual virus in the test fluid and eliminates the time- and cost consuming transport of samples to a laboratory.
[...]
The results of the SARS-CoV-2 MEMS 5 Minute Test™ can give a clear “YES” or “NO” statement about the presence of the virus in the test fluid. The great advantage of this method is that the virus can be detected directly — with a very high accuracy. In contrast, all other rapid tests known to date are based on the detection of antibodies. But antibodies are not detectable in plasma until 7 to 10 days after infection. However, those infected are already infectious in the first week of contact, which is one of the reasons for the rapid spread of the pandemic in all countries. There is currently no other reliable, cost-effective rapid test that can measure the virus directly in near-real time and at a very early stage during the incubation phase.
[...]
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 30 01:09:53
” President Donald Trump announced Sunday that he's extending his administration's guidelines on social distancing during the COVID-19 outbreak until April 30.”

It looks like Trump can decide when to open up the economy/society after all. Although, this is just ”guidelines”. Which means that people does not have to follow it?
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 30 01:24:33
Para
What is so difficult about the word "guidelines"?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 30 02:04:01
This youtube channel is a great source for visualizing math that I follow. This video simulates a pandemic with different counters. Pretty interesting.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 30 02:20:27
http://youtu.be/gxAaO2rsdIs

Ops.
Pillz
Member
Mon Mar 30 06:05:26
Quebec hasnt broken data down by gender or age, but I'm told almost all the folks in hospital are old and relatively few in critical condition.
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 30 06:11:23
Sweden has had at least two deaths below 50 years old. One guy who was 30 and who had an underlying disease of some kind, and one 26 year old woman who didn't have a underlying disease but the media reported there was something else about her that was a complication. Maybe she was obese, or maybe she was a (pot)smoker.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 30 08:55:09
Italian death toll probably 3-4 times higher. Many countries are not counting all the people who die outside of hospitals.
Daemon
Member
Mon Mar 30 09:23:02
http://www...e-inventing-coronavirus-device

An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak.
[...]
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 30 09:33:45
Is covid-19 anti-semitic? It would be terrible if he was infected and died.


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his close aides have been placed under quarantine after a staffer within his office tested positive for COVID-19, a statement and Israeli media said.

"Before the epidemiological investigation was completed and to dispel any doubts, the prime minister decided that he and his close staff would be in confinement until (tests) were completed," said a statement from Netanyahu's office.

The statement did not mention the positive test of a staffer, but multiple Israeli media outlets have reported the case, which was confirmed to AFP by separate sources.

http://afp...y-covid-19-quarantine/a/50g0ob
The Children
Member
Mon Mar 30 11:12:36
"An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak. "

>> its times like these u really start to see the differences in IQ between countries and populations.

we were all told as a kid that we all equals...

WRONG!

thats just social studies crap.

we aint equals. we smarter than u. we 100x smarter than u. just like how blacks r more athletic than u.

and our traits are definitely by far superior lol.
Daemon
Member
Mon Mar 30 11:37:35
Governor of my state puts on a mask:
http://bil...96811-69727060/Bild/4.bild.jpg
I'm doomed!
Habebe
Member
Mon Mar 30 11:51:49
Daemon, Didn't some treasurer ( or something) just kill himself?
Daemon
Member
Mon Mar 30 11:55:03
habebe, should we count him as a Corona victim?

http://www...cide-linked-coronavirus-crisis

German minister’s suicide linked to coronavirus crisis

Thomas Schaefer, the finance minister of Germany’s Hesse state, found dead near a railway track
‘His main fear was whether he could manage to meet the public’s enormous expectations’
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 30 12:05:44
Trump supposedly said this on Fox & Fiends:

"I'm getting letters from people that 'I've found my family again.' ...they were doing all sorts of things and now they're with their family in the home and they're not going out and a lot of things are happening and they're writing me...'We've found what life should be.'"

thank god for the Trump virus
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 30 12:21:49
"should we count him as a Corona victim?"

You should to the final accounting in 2021. Some lives saved, some lives lost. What is the net loss of life compared to 2019.

That is the measure of excess deaths cause by the corona virus directly and indirectly.

Note that mortality will fall in 2022 and 2023 compared to 2019. People who would have otherwise died in 2022+, died in 2020 and 2021 instead.
Pillz
Member
Mon Mar 30 12:47:39
Alberta just laid off 20,000 teachers and school staff.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/braid-ucp-forces-as-many-as-20000-layoffs-in-canadas-biggest-pink-slip-binge
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 30 12:50:09
Time to start growing weed I guess.
Dakyron
Member
Mon Mar 30 12:52:30
Alberta going to refund that money back to the local population? Because school staff is paid for by local tax revenue(I assume at least, it is Canada so who knows).

Even in my shitty education hating state they are paying support staff through the end of the year since they already have the funding.
Daemon
Member
Mon Mar 30 13:19:31
Real mean don't fear Corona!

http://new...-ward-off-coronavirus-11965396

President Alexander Lukashenko took part in an ice hockey match on Saturday - controversially declaring that sport "is the best anti-virus remedy".

At the event, he told a reporter: "It's better to die standing on your feet than to live on your knees."



In recent weeks, the president has suggested that Belarusians should drink 50ml of vodka a day to ward off the virus, but not at work - advice that is completely at odds with recommendations from the World Health Organisation.

He has also stated that regular trips to the sauna, working in the fields and having breakfast on time are the best ways to stay healthy - dismissing stricter measures imposed in neighbouring Russia and elsewhere as "frenzy and psychosis".

Mr Lukashenko has also vowed that Belarus will still celebrate Victory Day on 9 May - a day when elderly veterans from World War Two parade through the streets. This is despite data that shows older people are more susceptible to contracting coronavirus in public spaces.

Dakyron
Member
Mon Mar 30 14:35:46
Other than NK and absolute shitholes like Syria/Afghanistan/Darfur, I think Belarus might be the worst place to live in the world.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 30 19:05:38
"The research, published in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, estimated that about 0.66% of those infected with the virus will die."

CNN

Sort of in line with the 0.5% we were tossing about. But that estimate is based on guessing what the true rate of infection is (not the confirmed number gained through testing).
Pillz
Member
Mon Mar 30 19:23:39
@dakryon

Theyre shifting the funds to an emergency health something or other, which is actually not under their provincial purview.

So the idea is for the province to reallocate the funds for as long as possible, while the provinces education sector takes federal welfare.

UCP being UCP
sam adams
Member
Mon Mar 30 19:53:44
"Note that mortality will fall in 2022 and 2023 compared to 2019"

Coronavirus will have to spread unchecked much worse than now for that to happen. Even in italy the death rate is just 150% of a normal daily rate, for 2 weeks or so

At its current pace it is unlikely to make a significant difference in deaths in most places this year, much less in 2022.
Habebe
Member
Mon Mar 30 20:06:07
Nimatzo "Time to start growing weed I guess"

Ive dabbled, always a labor of love. I prefer just trading for mushrooms ( much easier to grow) plus I fucking love mushrooms.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 31 03:44:57
Sammy
Remember how confirmed deaths to covid-19 are done. Only people tested and confirmed to have covid-19 that die are registered as dead from covid-19.

They are not doing post mortem testing on people not previously diagnosed with covid-19.

I am also saying that deaths in 2022 and 2021 will be lower than in 2019, not higher.
Pillz
Member
Tue Mar 31 07:30:20
Grocery stores are now closed Sundays in Montreal.

Not sure anybody knows how it's spreading at this point. Province has been in varying stages of lock down for nearly 3 weeks.

1% of the population of Quebec is now infected! 59% to go!

This flatten the curve thing is retarded. Should have let it run its course

Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 31 08:52:47
"Grocery stores are now closed Sundays"

This is like closing one or two hours earlier on weekdays. How will this stop Corona?
Pillz
Member
Tue Mar 31 09:19:02
It wont. We're all of the opinion we should be open 24h to minimize the number of people in the store at a given time.

Trudeau asked that we open an hour early for the elderly, but in Quebec they're demanding shorter hours (8-8 mon-sat)
sam adams
Member
Tue Mar 31 10:07:55
Government folks and sebs are retarded.

Wants to reduce social contact.

Limits hours to force more people together at any given time.
Daemon
Member
Tue Mar 31 10:28:57
An interesting idea:

http://akt...st-capacities-many-times-over/



Pool testing of SARS-CoV-02 samples increases worldwide test capacities many times over

Researchers at the German Red Cross Blood Donor Service in Frankfurt headed by Professor Erhard Seifried, and the Institute for Medical Virology at the University Hospital Frankfurt at Goethe University headed by Professor Sandra Ciesek succeeded in developing a procedure that makes it possible to immediately and dramatically increase worldwide testing capacities for detecting SARS-CoV-2. “This makes it possible for the implementation of expanded testing in larger population groups as demanded by all scientists and also politicians to be carried out sooner than previously thought, even in view of limited test kit resources,” says Seifried. The background of this news are laboratory investigations in which swab samples from mucous membranes of the throat or nose are combined using specified procedures in a buffer solution, and subsequently tested using what is known as the PCR procedure (polymerase chain reaction procedure, direct genome detection of SARS CoV-2). In the case of a negative result, all included samples have a reliable negative result. The pool testing has no influence on the detection limit. In the case of a positive mini-pool result, individual testing is carried out in previously reserved samples. The positive sample can then be identified within 4 hours.

Figure 1 shows the new mini-pool method. The swab is first placed in a reserve test tube and subsequently in a pool container. Since this pool method does not increase the volume in the pool container, no dilution and therefore no decrease in sensitivity is observed. Using independent ring trial samples (pre-test of the planned ring trial), that were provided by a ring trial organisation (INSTAND) authorised by the by the German Medical Association, it was able to be shown that the new mini-pool method can obtain laboratory results of equal quality as those obtained with individual testing. The new method was additionally investigated in a small field study on 50 unselected patient samples. The patient samples were pooled in 10 mini-pools of 5 samples each, and also tested individually in parallel. Of the 50 patient samples, 5 samples were SARS CoV-2 positive. These samples were distributed across 4 pools. All four mini-pools resulted in a positive PCR result. Mini-pools containing only samples from patients without SARS CoV-2 always resulted in a negative result.


“On the basis of these laboratory results, in particular large cohorts and testing on asymptomatic individuals can be carried out, allowing a massive savings of test kits in particular,” says Ciesek. The research group is currently analysing options for further enlarging the pools. “The results give cause for optimism that when globally established, the procedure will quickly enable better information about the number of people actually infected,” explains Professor Schmidt from the Blood Donor Service. This allows the current number of approximately 40,000 tests per day in all of Germany to be immediately increased to 200,000 to 400,000 tests without reducing the high quality of the diagnosis. To continue efficiently implementing the strategy of early detection and isolation, an extension of screening tests is essential, especially for system-relevant professions such as doctors, nurses, police, firefighters, nursing homes, administration and the food industry. The rights to the invention, for which a patent is pending in Europe and the USA, is held jointly by Goethe University and the German Red Cross. The technology can be made available immediately to other interested institutions through Goethe University’s knowledge transfer company Innovectis.

Goethe University President Professor Birgitta Wolff describes the new analysis method as a “milestone”. “The more people who can be reliably tested for SARS-CoV-2, the faster the pandemic can be curbed.”

“With the new method, Germany can take the global fight against SARS-CoV-2 to a new a new level,” observes Seifried with optimism. The medical director of the University Hospital Frankfurt, Professor Graf, and the president of Goethe University both stressed the successful and trustful collaboration between the Blood Donor Service, the University Hospital, and Goethe University.
Dakyron
Member
Tue Mar 31 10:37:12
“The more people who can be reliably tested for SARS-CoV-2, the faster the pandemic can be curbed.”

I don't think this is true anymore. That ship has sailed. It might be true in the future, once the stay-at-home orders are over, but right now it is so widespread that testing and isolating is an exercise in futility.
Daemon
Member
Tue Mar 31 11:14:41
Social distancing after lockdown is a great success in India:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfjBT9uVCf0
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 31 11:15:16
Chris Cuomo has contracted the virus. Maybe he should have stopped banging cocktail waitresses tqo at a time!
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 31 11:49:22
Malaysia's government apologised Tuesday after its advice for women to wear make-up and not nag their husbands during the country's coronavirus lockdown sparked online anger and mockery.

Like many countries, the Southeast Asian nation has ordered all citizens to stay at home to stem the spread of the virus, which has killed over 30,000 people globally.

In a series of Facebook posts, the Malaysian women's ministry offered tips for how wives should behave during the lockdown.

One post -- now deleted -- showed a picture of a couple hanging up clothes together next to a caption that advised women to "avoid nagging" their husbands and to imitate the squeaky voice of Doraemon, a cartoon robot cat from Japan that is popular across Asia.

Other posts advised women working at home to wear make-up and dress neatly, rather than in casual clothes.

http://afp...for-women-spark-anger/a/vQ7OMj


sam adams
Member
Tue Mar 31 12:25:31
"Chris Cuomo has contracted the virus. "

Probably fake to drum up support. Its CNN.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 31 12:31:10
Lol, probably.

Their 3D renderers will have a field day recreating the moment he caught the virus.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 31 13:20:24
a canary in the coal mine

"Hundreds of cars wait to receive food from the Greater Community Food Bank in Duquesne (Pittsburgh)"
http://twitter.com/andrewrush/status/1244657465859457024

what will happen first? (from lack of food & TP):
a)rioting/looting
b)home break-ins*
c)suicides*
d)assaulting asians*

*in quantities making it a major news story
sam adams
Member
Tue Mar 31 13:47:20
Riots amongst the inner city sebs that dont know how to take care of themselves always happen first.
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 31 14:46:09
How long until people starts to riot and loot?
Pillz
Member
Tue Mar 31 15:00:22
Already begun in Mexico.

Guess CR made the right choice getting out!

Grocery store customer limit now in place. My store sees 1200 people a week and I have a 30 person line up outside right now..

I can't imagine how big stores are couping. Hopefully limit is tied to square footage or you will probably see rioting...
Dukhat
Member
Tue Mar 31 22:00:18
The Mexican president kept pretending it was fake. He is similar to Trump as he ignored the plans put into place by his predecessor who successfully stopped the swine flu.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 31 22:08:20
Pills, What do you mean by " my store"?
Pillz
Member
Tue Mar 31 23:03:54
I work as a department manager of a grocery store.

Okay, the last one was more 'my' store. I had a special function there and unique dedication to it.

My new store is 'my' store because I'm coming in for a total reset from outside the company as a weird pseudo 2nd in the chain of command.

Two years ago I started as a bag boy somewhere....
Pillz
Member
Tue Mar 31 23:04:50
My last store was orders of magnitude busier.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 31 23:18:39
Ok, I somehow had picture in mind of you running a bodega in Tijuana.
jergul
large member
Wed Apr 01 00:09:40
So, how many days do you think it will take before the US has more active cases than the rest of the world combined?

Current score is 28%.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 01 01:54:05
So it’s Sweden, USA and UK? who still have not closed down everything. And still not under control. Sweden has more dead than Denmark, Norway and Finland combined. WHY DOES SWEDEN ALWAYS HAVE TO BE SO SPECIAL?
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 01 03:07:29
I'm not sure we should close down everything. We should let people get Corona but protect the elderly and sick by isolating them.

The show must go on.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 01 03:09:50
In Sweden the 70+ are very stubborn. They are used to get what they want to do whatever the fuck they want, that's why so many of them has ignored the pleas to self isolate, and that may be one reason why we have higher deaths than Denmark, Norway and Finland.

If the 70+ people wants to go out because they don't want to feel "old", then let them. Let them go out and get Corona and die, so that they they won't feel old.
Habebe
Member
Wed Apr 01 03:26:18
I heard that Sweden hasnt really sonr much of anything to close up shop. Just kind of a lets see what happens mentality.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 01 04:46:09
In Sweden people can still go out, restaurants, cafés, shops and stores are still open, just avoid gatherings and keep a 2 meters distance. And don't lick on public surfaces like toilet seats and such.

A few shops and restaurants may have closed (temporarily and/or for good) though because there is a lack of customers and its not worth it for them to keep their business open. The number of bankruptcies has increased a lot compared to previous months. They predict that the economy is going to take a major hit and that it will take years (2?) to recover.

But we are not being ordered to stay at home and not threatened with jail or fines if we go out, like in Italy(?). So that's why we won't see any riots of unhappy people who has been locked up in their homes for weeks. As long as the food supply is secure there won't be any riots, I think. Maybe the 70+ people will start to riot if the authorities order them to self isolate for weeks and months.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 01 04:48:27
*The number of bankruptcies

I meant the number of people laid off.
Daemon
Member
Wed Apr 01 04:49:48
Germany will sell Sweden a million old people after the crisis so you can fill your empty nursing homes again.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 01 04:51:03
Thanks :)
obaminated
Member
Wed Apr 01 05:04:39
sweden is going for a herd immunity deal. we will see if it works.
jergul
large member
Wed Apr 01 06:58:52
Para
The word we are both looking for is furloughed (= permitert)
Dukhat
Member
Wed Apr 01 07:05:48
The herd immunity works if you have a lot of young people who only get it and don't infect anybody else. And even so, because hospital capacity is so limited, you still need to only have like 5% get infected every month for hospitals not to get massively swamped.

Because a small percentage of a huge number is still a lot of people that will get sick
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 01 07:18:26
Swedish strategy is retarded. It will not save the economy in any significant way, since we rely on exports. If virtually everyone else (who buy our shit) have shut down there is neither stuff to import nor goods to make for export. This includes, by the way, Swedish corporations like Volvo, they have shut down.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 01 10:04:50
Turkmenistan has solved the Corona-crisis:


By banning use of the word “coronavirus” on the streets and never mentioning it in official documents and in the media, in a radical move to suppress all information about the pandemic, Turkmenistan’s government is putting its citizens in danger, Reporters Without Borders (RSF) says.

It's as if it had never existed. The state media are saying nothing about the effects of coronavirus in Turkmenistan and the word has even been removed from health information brochures distributed in schools, hospitals and workplaces, according to Turkmenistan Chronicles, one of the few sources of independent news, whose site is blocked within the country.

http://rsf...-censor-themselves-coronavirus
Habebe
Member
Wed Apr 01 10:15:57
Nimatzo, Small side note but volvo is Chinese now. Damn shame, I've always preferred Swedish cars to all others.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 01 12:55:09
Uhm small side note, that is Volvo cars. The publicaly traded company AB Volvo or simply ”Volvo” is the Volvo that ruled them all. It is simply the most Volvo of them all.
obaminated
Member
Wed Apr 01 13:06:58
one volvo to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.
Daemon
Member
Wed Apr 01 13:40:11
German death rate is slowly climbing, this is some current data, though expect no surprise (translated)

http://www...n-Deutschland-bekannt-ist.html


The RKI has clinical information from about 41,000 patients. The evaluation has shown that the average age of the infected patients is 47 years. 52 percent of them were male, 48 percent female. The most frequent symptoms were cough (43 percent) and fever (41 percent). Many cases would have mild progressions.

The average age of the dead in Germany is 80 years according to the evaluation of the clinical data (as of Tuesday morning). 506 of the 583 dead (87 percent) were 70 years or older. The youngest deceased was 28 years old, said Wieler, referring to previous illnesses.


31 dead were younger than 60 years - 26 were men and five women

44 dead were between 60 and 69 years old - 32 of them were men and 12 women

130 deaths were between 70 and 79 years old - of which 102 were men and 28 women

305 deaths were between 80 and 89 years old - of which 185 were men and 120 women

71 dead were 90 years old or older - of which 38 were men and 33 women

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Dakyron
Member
Wed Apr 01 13:41:58
"And don't lick on public surfaces like toilet seats and such."

This is normally a problem?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 01 13:52:05
Helloooo! Daky! Are you new to earth?
Daemon
Member
Wed Apr 01 14:13:34
Tasteless April's fool day joke

http://www...i-Arabia-Coronavirus-Facemasks

Yemen’s information minister has raised the possibility of the facemasks airdropped by Saudi-led warplanes in Sana’a and other cities being infected with the new coronavirus, urging media outlets and activists to spread awareness of the danger.

Dhaifullah al-Shami said given the fact that the Saudi-led coalition has turned Yemen into the scene of the world’s worst humanitarian crisis through years of lethal military aggression, it is a big surprise to see coalition forces distributing masks across the capital and several other Yemeni provinces, the Middle East Monitor press observatory organization reported on Tuesday.

Shami urged media and activists to warn citizens against touching or wearing the masks.

The official added Yemen had not yet identified any cases of the infection in the war-torn country amid the pandemic, which has affected almost all world states and has claimed more than 42,000 lives worldwide.

Therefore, he concluded, the Saudi aggressors would be responsible for any emergence of the outbreak in Yemen. They have already displayed their intention to afflict Yemen with the virus by targeting a quarantine center in al-Salif District of the western province of Hudaydah Province, the minister added.
[...]
jergul
large member
Wed Apr 01 15:08:58
The US now has 29% of all active cases globally. The number matters because in general, only active cases impact on the healthcare system.
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 01 15:21:33
https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/04/01/greek-scientists-confirm-higher-temperatures-slow-down-coronavirus/?amp

Greek scientists believe that its affected by temperature, good chance seasonality saves us
!
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 01 15:23:17
Not sure active cases is an effective measure. Unlikely all recoveries of mild sufferers are reported
jergul
large member
Wed Apr 01 15:28:51
It a measure of how it will impact on health care capacity. Its not useful in gauging anything else.
The Children
Member
Wed Apr 01 16:02:05
3rd world country.

i just read that usa is doing massive testin right now.

the funny stuff is, they got all the testkits from CDC...lmao

if they didnt get it, they wuld still have no kits.

The Children
Member
Wed Apr 01 16:09:50
it looks like ur gettin owned.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Apr 01 16:20:41
Florida about to implode. Trump going to kill off a huge part of his base through his incompetence.
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