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sam adams
Member
Wed Apr 01 21:14:12
http://www...gher-than-reported-11585767179

Italy is undercounting? Or are the excess deaths of old people due to the quarantine: stress combined with disruption?
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 01 22:25:28
Yeah they're under counting & under testing.
The Children
Member
Thu Apr 02 01:31:20
everyone is undercounting, u dumb fucks.
there isnt enough testin kits to test everyone.

the only ones that did not undercount were asians who had this under control asap.

places like singapore, china.

Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 02 03:36:50
It looks like USA's leading expert on infectious diseases is using the Corona virus to undermine Trump:


WASHINGTON — Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s leading expert on infectious diseases, who has become a regular at President Trump’s coronavirus briefings, will receive enhanced personal security after receiving threats following his repeated pleas for Americans to help slow the spread of the deadly pandemic, officials said on Wednesday.

Dr. Fauci has been the Trump administration’s most outspoken advocate of social distancing rules that have shuttered the nation’s schools, forced businesses to close, kept people in their homes and battered the United States economy.

That has made him a target of online conspiracy theorists who have accused Dr. Fauci, a longtime scientist and civil servant who has served presidents of both parties, of trying to undermine Mr. Trump during a year in which the president is fighting for re-election.

[...]

The idea that Dr. Fauci is responsible for the country’s hardship — and for whatever political damage Mr. Trump might suffer as a result — was fueled in part by a moment during a news briefing in which Dr. Fauci dropped his head and touched his forehead as the president was speaking. The image went viral online and right-wing supporters of Mr. Trump cited it as evidence that Dr. Fauci sought to undercut the president.

http://www...l?referringSource=articleShare


^ I think I said it some days ago... can't Trump fire him? Because now is not the time for Experts and Doctors to make Trump look dumb.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 02 04:19:34
Sammy
We have to wait until 2021 to see what 2020 excess deaths are by comparing that year with 2019.

The numbers now suck. Even jergulmath is running into difficulties.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 02 06:14:34
Germany has figured out how to mass test without false positives warping the result.

Just mix the samples of 10 people and test that.

A higher % of the combined sample will be positive and this will dwarf the impact of false positives.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 02 06:15:17
I am vexed that I did not think of doing that.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 02 06:22:15
This only works until the infection rate in the general population is high enough to dwarf false positives anyway (if 50% of the population is infected, then mixing 10 samples would give a positive test result 99.92% of the time).
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Apr 02 06:59:17
April 2nd, 2020 Update..
48,284 deaths worldwide,
951,901 confirmed cases
(Time-stamped Johns Hopkins link)
http://i.imgur.com/v8Sxdmx.png

(Close-up of the U.S.)
5,137 deaths
216,722 confirmed cases
http://i.imgur.com/oksUOng.png

I remember how concerned I was when this passed 100 deaths, and now we've arrived here...
A week ago:
16,505 deaths
378,000 confirmed cases
http://i.imgur.com/XQyqeX8.png
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 02 07:32:15
Still no big deal
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 02 08:11:51
Not a big deal is not a good projection, in fact it isn’t a projection at all. The Vietnam war was not a big deal, initially. Will it not become a big deal, is that what you are saying?
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 02 08:18:30
If the US can't mobilize FEMA's death camps before April's up, and isn't age to surge ventilators, it'll become a big deal.

In Europe it'll be whatever. You're all communists at heart, you don't value the old.

I'm worried about India though. Summer will halt the onslaught but I hope that come fall the world still has them cut off.

But right now it's no big deal. We already know that total cases is well into the millions.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 02 08:41:34
"The numbers now suck. Even jergulmath is running into difficulties."

Jergul math IS a difficulty.

But yes, the data is just too incomplete, like you said before we will have a better grasp on the situation only afterwards.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 02 08:44:25
Pillz, We don't KNOW that it is seasonal. If it is that could be a bad thing, it means it will keep coming back and possibly mutating.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 02 08:47:05
Jergulmath is great! Any critique is meritless.
Dukhat
Member
Thu Apr 02 08:49:58
Scientists have already tracked the Coronavirus and it is unlikely to mutate in a meaningful way before we develop a vaccine. In other words, the vaccine will work.

I mean, if you don't know, just say you don't know Habebe. Tired of conservatives making shit up.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 02 08:59:06
Dukhat, it was 2 weeks or so.ago but that's straight from Fauci.

That said we don't know, your going by likley estimates at best. If they were so damn good at predicting what these diseases will do we wouldn't be in this mess.
Nekran
Member
Thu Apr 02 09:05:35
"Scientists have already tracked the Coronavirus and it is unlikely to mutate in a meaningful way before we develop a vaccine."

What is your source for that? Considering how many things are still unknown, that feels like a surprising claim.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 02 09:05:37
Speaking of things growing exponentially. Initial jobless claims was 6.6 million last week. Up from 3.3 million the week before and 280k the week before that (numbers around 250k are normal). So thats an even 10 million new job claims in two weeks.
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 02 09:33:57
There is no evidence to suggest it is not seasonal. There is mounting evidence to suggest that it is.
Daemon
Member
Thu Apr 02 09:35:44
http://www...onavirus-spreads-idUSKBN21I03Q

Ecuadorean authorities said on Monday they would improve the collection of corpses, as delays related to the rapid spread of the new coronavirus has left families keeping their loved ones’ bodies in their homes for days in some cases.

Residents of Guayaquil, Ecuador’s largest city, have complained they have no way to dispose of relatives’ remains due to strict quarantine and curfew measures designed to prevent spread of the disease. Last week, authorities said they had removed 100 corpses from homes in Guayaquil.

But delays in collecting bodies in the Andean country, which has reported 1,966 cases of the virus and 62 deaths, were evident midday on Monday in downtown Guayaquil, where a man’s dead body lay on a sidewalk under a blue plastic sheet, according to a Reuters witness.

Police said the man had collapsed while waiting in line to enter a store. Reuters could not identify the man or the cause of his death. Hours later on Monday, the body had been removed.

“The government’s intention is that everyone who passes away these days in Guayaquil, not just those who have died from COVID-19, can have a dignified burial,” Vice President Otto Sonnenholzner told reporters on Monday,

Authorities also announced they would create a task force for collecting and burying the dead. Emergency humanitarian flights were suspended for Ecuadoreans who had been stranded abroad due to travel restrictions and were seeking to return to the country.

More than 70% of the country’s coronavirus cases, which is among the highest tallies in Latin America, are in the southern province of Guayas, where Guayaquil is located.

Luiggi Ponce, a 22-year-old who lives in a working class area of the city, believes his uncle, who died four days ago, was infected. The body is still in his home, where five children and seven adults live.

“He had pneumonia, he had a fever, he could not breathe, he had all the symptoms,” Ponce said via telephone. “The body is wrapped up in plastic. The whole house smells bad.”

Local media have broadcast images of long lines outside cemeteries in Guayaquil of people seeking burial for deceased relatives.

Sebastian Barahona, coordinator of the National Federation of Funeral Homes, said Guayaquil was seeing around five times more deaths in March than a normal month.

“The response capacity is not prepared for what this emergency requires,” Barahona said.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 02 10:22:13
professors of medicine at the Institute of Human Virology at the University of Maryland School of Medicine and members of the Global Virus Network.

As physicians and researchers, we have spoken to doctors across the country over the past few weeks and kept hearing variations on this description of the novel coronavirus’s spread: It’s like a chemical bomb went off. One day everything seemed normal, and the next everyone became sick: patients, nurses, family members.

The pattern is scary, but familiar. Seasonal respiratory viruses, most infamously influenza, can act in the same explosive fashion. In temperate areas, every fall and winter, as the weather cools and humidity drops, influenza ferociously takes hold and retains a strong grip until spring. There are four coronaviruses — viruses that are common in humans, usually causing moderate respiratory illnesses — that are also seasonal.


Full coverage of the coronavirus pandemic

With covid-19, there is an even more frightening pattern of exponential growth than exists for influenza. At times it seems to be ripping through populations that have no previous immunity. But there also appears to be a distinct geographical pattern. The virus has spread globally with clusters of infection, often spread by travelers, in most countries. But certain locations were hit much harder than others: Wuhan in China, Daegu in South Korea, Milan, Tehran, central France, northern Spain, Germany, Seattle, and now New York.

Why not Hong Kong, Singapore or Bangkok? They were directly in harm’s way, relatively near Wuhan, where the pandemic began, and highly connected to it by trade and travel. Are we to believe, as many assert, that these places were simply superior at implementing quarantine procedures? And what about cities well north of China, such as Moscow or Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan, that have also not been much affected?

When we noticed this pattern, we began to suspect that the coronavirus causing covid-19 was spreading like a seasonal virus. We launched a study at the Institute of Human Virology, part of the Global Virus Network, along with colleagues at the University of Maryland at College Park and researchers in Iran, to try to find out.


Sign up for our Coronavirus Updates newsletter to track the outbreak. All stories linked in the newsletter are free to access.

Our research determined that all the major affected areas in January through early March were in the Northern Hemisphere between 30 and 50 degrees north latitude. And the areas had nearly identical temperatures of 41 to 52 degrees Fahrenheit and low humidity in the weeks before they recorded their first covid-19 death.

Those conditions are similar to the laboratory conditions that maximize survival for seasonal respiratory viruses and are most conducive for transmission. Cooler temperatures are known to increase the survival of respiratory viruses on surfaces, help stabilize (along with low humidity) the aerosol floating in air, and even increase viral replication in some instances.

The notion that the virus causing covid-19 will behave as a seasonal respiratory virus is a controversial one, because a whole season’s worth of data isn’t available yet, and because it risks stirring false hope that might inspire shortsighted policymaking. Even though we believe that covid-19 is behaving as a seasonal respiratory virus, that view comes with an enormous caveat: The study of past pandemics, from the whooping cough in 1400s Persia to the 2009 H1N1 virus in the United States, shows that new infections that eventually are regarded as seasonal afflictions can behave erratically (due to a lack of widespread immunity) until they settle into their characteristic pattern.


The campaigns against covid-19 in areas now affected should certainly not be tailored in the expectation of a seasonal retreat that might not come. But bolstering preparedness in northern regions where the pandemic could soon spread would be wise.

We’re working on models right now to validate and refine our findings and identify the communities where likely temperature and humidity levels in April and May could make them a covid-19 target, and those likely to be hit in the coming fall and winter. That could greatly aid preparation efforts, including the deployment of testing and protective equipment.

Could covid-19 disappear permanently, as SARS did, in the summer? Will it be controlled by public health measures, as MERS was? Or will it, like the four other seasonal coronaviruses, retreat into the tropics and Southern Hemisphere, set up a home, and become the fifth human coronavirus, reemerging again in the fall for another season or longer? Will the extraordinary current global efforts send this pathogen into oblivion?


The Opinions section is looking for stories of how the coronavirus has affected people of all walks of life. Write to us.

To answer these questions, it is essential to conduct widespread serological testing so scientists can fully understand the pandemic, establishing a profile of who has and has not been infected and allowing improved modeling of covid-19’s spread. The world isn’t helpless, and the fightback is well underway, but a vital weapon will be finding out whether covid-19 will indeed act like other human coronaviruses and change with the seasons
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 02 10:44:17
Re seasonality, it is spreading just fine in the southern hemisphere.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 02 10:59:58
Re mutations
Dickhat is a moron, he is refering to 1 study, meanwhile another yet unpublished Icelandic study claims 40 mutations originating in Europe. It’s an RNA virus and they are notorious for mutating, because they have no repair function AKA quality control when transcribing the genetic material. This one could be the exception, but there is certainly no basis for Dickturds assertions, that it in fact is.

Keep in mind:

It’s just a flu.
-Dickhat

It’s not just a flu.
-Dickhat 2 weeks later

It’s too early to say anything meaningful.
Dakyron
Member
Thu Apr 02 11:28:35
"Re seasonality, it is spreading just fine in the southern hemisphere. "

Arizona gets hit hard by the flu every year despite warm weather. This is because people from shitholes come here for the weather and infect everyone with their influenza. Once the weather warms and the shitholes stop getting the flu, it stops spreading.

So there is still hope it dies down in the coming weeks.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 02 11:53:05
"It’s too early to say anything meaningful."

This is exactly my point.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 02 12:15:21
Mortality may be lower because of odd reporting. Mortality may be higher because not all deaths are reported as such and we have idea how many actually are infected. It could mutate, it could be stable. It could be seasonal it may not be etc. and so on.

When so many critical factors are unknown, it is like fumbling in the dark, you just react to whatever hits you in the face.
sam adams
Member
Thu Apr 02 12:36:50
We know enough at this point to get fairly close with most of the stats. Case mortality is around 0.5 to 1%, making it 10-20x or so worse than the flu. Hospitalization/serious cases are also about 10-20x more likely than with the flu. It infects about 2-3 new people for every case in an unrestricted environment... pretty bad but not horrific. Like most afflictions, it strongly prefers to savage the already unhealthy without excess cardio capacity. Unlike most afflictions, it prefers not to fuck with the very young.

Sure we will refine these numbers a little but we are solidly in the correct ballpark now.

The last remaining question is how stable it is... will it be eliminated by a single vaccine.
sam adams
Member
Thu Apr 02 12:38:17
And that answer seems to be leaning towards stable enough.
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 02 12:54:15
So I just heard on the news that only this week 6.6 million Americans lost their jobs. Dayum... in just one week. 6.6 million. How many will have lost their jobs in two weeks?
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 02 14:37:35
Yeah we're not use to it like Sweden, new territory for us.
sam adams
Member
Thu Apr 02 14:56:00
10 million so far due to Corona. About 8% of the workforce. Manageable... for now.
sam adams
Member
Thu Apr 02 15:41:02
New york is losing it. Some parts of the city are telling cops they can sieze supplies at gunpoint. Its always fun to watch incompetent collectivist retards melt down during crises.

On another incompetent collectivist note, i still see most of europe withs its socialist healthcare sebs have a massively higher death toll.
sam adams
Member
Thu Apr 02 15:44:31
UK says they wont have sufficient testing in place until the end of this month.



Ahahahahahahahaha seb.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 02 15:47:31
Uhm yea so France has started counting the dead in nursing homes and 1300 dead in one day...
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 02 15:52:39
Nimi
Yah, odd things happen when you start to count dead hot rods instead of just the people with confirmed covid-19.

Yay, now French numbers are no longer compatible with the rest of the planet.
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 02 19:38:48
Fairly certain Spain did the same thing last week. But can't find a source to confirm.

Also it's not doing that hot in the southern hemisphere, re: Australia. Also Brazil hasn't collapsed yet.

And this is beginning of flu season in the southern hemisphere.

As temperatures raise in southern Europe and the US, we should see fewer cases there and more in Australia and new Zealand. Also Brazil will likely collapse.
Dukhat
Member
Thu Apr 02 19:50:08
The incubation period of this thing is so long at 2-14 days. If you talk to someone outside in hot and humid weather, you will still infect them. And weather doesn't affect the temperature in crowded offices and malls.

Seasonality helps but this disease is a silent killer.
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 02 19:53:24
It is hardly a killer. The deaths are the fault of globally unsound health care systems.
Daemon
Member
Fri Apr 03 04:12:17
Religious retards

http://www...to-dozens-of-coronavirus-cases

A Pentecostal church in a Sacramento suburb is the epicenter of a coronavirus outbreak with more than six dozen confirmed cases, prompting county officials to warn against religious gatherings.

“It’s outrageous that this is happening,” said Dr. Peter Beilenson, the Sacramento County public health director. “Obviously there is freedom of religion, but when it’s impacting public health as this is, we have to enforce social distancing.”

The church, Bethany Slavic Missionary Church, did not immediately return a call for comment Thursday. But Beilenson said health officials were concerned that church members may still be meeting in private homes to conduct services, despite county orders.

“Whether or not you have community-wide sermons or meetings in people’s houses, they are all dangers and they are very detrimental to the public’s health,” Beilenson said.

Beilenson said 71 of the church’s members who live in Sacramento County have tested positive, and more members who live in surrounding counties also have confirmed cases, though he could not immediately say how many.


Information and sermons on the church’s website indicate it stopped holding large gatherings March 18. The church is the largest Russian-language Pentecostal church in the area and has a congregation of more than 3,000 people, according to published reports. Its two-story building is normally packed with congregants, many of them older immigrants, during multiple services each week.

According to a sermon from Sunday posted online, the church’s senior pastor, Adam Bondaruk, is hospitalized with the virus, as are two other pastors, who were described as “critically ill” by an unidentified pastor in the video.

“We have many different people in our church, they are ill, so we need to pray. We need to intervene,” the pastor continued in the video. “God will hear us, and he will heal us.”

The church has met with controversy in the past, including for anti-gay rhetoric. This year, a well on the church’s property that was used by congregants was found to be contaminated with chemicals from a nearby military base. One of the church’s officials was convicted of pedophilia in 2018.
[...]
sam adams
Member
Fri Apr 03 06:25:07
"God will hear us, and he will heal us.”

Ahahaha.

Do you who actually hears that retard?

Darwin. Darwin hears you.
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 03 12:17:24
They arrested some pastor down here.

Hopefully Trump will feed him to the lions for our amusement.
jergul
large member
Fri Apr 03 14:00:19
Habebe
What ammendment are you referring to? I was unaware of the lion kibblet clause.
Pillz
Member
Fri Apr 03 14:49:06
Ontario hoping for <15,000 dead. Worst case scenario is 100,000.

Quebec releases its projections Tuesday.

Across Canada almost all the dead are nursing home residents. Some have residences have seen up to 20 deaths. 80% of cases are people aged 20-59. There have been 2 deaths in that age bracket, nationally.



Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Apr 03 16:09:53
That’s, kind of a big deal.
Pillz
Member
Fri Apr 03 17:16:37
Not really....
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 03 17:17:15
Jergul, Executive order.
jergul
large member
Fri Apr 03 18:06:43
Habebe
I thought executive orders to kill US citizens are only valid if the person is outside of the USA.
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 03 18:50:49
Meh, domestic terrorist. Do it gitmo if we must.

I wamt Christians eaten by lions Damnit. Bread and circuses.
Paramount
Member
Sat Apr 04 05:34:54
Americans are urged to wear face protection. But Trump says that he does not think that he will be wearing one, and that he does not see himself sitting at the beautiful desk in the White House.

So is he gonna go golfing?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 06:18:57
Pillz
Every year roughly 300k people die in Canada. If in one year a new virus kills between 15-100k people, that ranges from not a big deal to kind of a big deal.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 06:29:21
Looks like Equador has imploded. So much for hot weather slowing it down.
jergul
large member
Sat Apr 04 06:31:01
Nimi
I am pretty sure that excess mortality this year will approach 50% above normal in most western countries.

It does not look that way yet, but that is because everyone is cheating when they count corpses.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 06:39:48
No good reasons to expect anything else at the moment.
Paramount
Member
Sat Apr 04 09:23:17
So I took a walk in Stockholm city today and I was surprised to see that there was so many people outside.

A whole lot of young people between 15-30 but also a whole lot of 40 year olds or thereabouts. I also saw some old people 70+. Two or three ladies I saw were at least 80 years old. They were all walking around among everyone else like Corona didn’t exist.

People sat outside and inside of cafés and restaurants, parks were full of people. Social distancing? Nope.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 09:26:20
We must excersice our freedumbs even when facing a virus. Otherwise the virus wins! Oh wait...
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 04 10:15:35
Sweden doesn't seem to be doing so well either though, over 300 deaths and 600 new cases daily.

Mind you they only have like 10 million people so the size of NC.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 10:31:01
Side note, both me and paramount live in Sweden, we are, literally talking about Sweden. So, when you say ”either” it only makes sense if we were talking about somewhere else.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 04 10:44:20
Lulz. I heard secondhand that an NY ICU doc at Bellevue had 34/34 Wuhan Flu patients die in one day

Boogaloo when
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 04 11:07:48
Nimatzo, I always thought you lived in Belgium.

Still, Sweden is not starting to pick up pace and fare worse than your neighbors.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 04 11:13:41
We can afford to shed everybody over the age of 60. That's a lot more than 100k.

And when nationally only 3 people under 59 have died (including an infant) out of 9k+ cases in that bracket.... It seems like expecting 100k dead is excessive.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 11:15:46
I am baffled by your usage of ”still”. I wrote a sarcastic response about freedumb to Paramounts post about the care free quarantine interlopers in the SWEDISH CAPITAL.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 11:22:29
Pillz
People over 60 work and contribute to GDP and economy. There is no existential threat, even if we lose everyone over 50 or 40, the species will survive. How big the deal is, is always relative. It is simply not desirable to lose 100k people during 1 flu season. I can afford a great many disasters, doesn’t mean I want to pay it if I don’t have to.

I miss some of your stoicism when it comes to terrorist attacks and muslims gang rapers. We can afford some extra rape and terror :)
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 04 11:30:06
Sure they work. But they're slower, less efficient in many cases, and can all be replaced by younger people.

Anyways by all indications Canada will have one of the best outcomes from this. South Korea and Japan will obviously win.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 04 11:32:52
And a passive virus isn't the same as subhuman Islamic filth. Those are preventable deaths - just exterminate Islam.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 12:15:33
Perhaps in occupations that involves manual labor, but where I work the old farts are competent people with degrees, decades of experience and a critical part of the institutional memory. A rapid loss of those people is not desirable, at all. They are not at all easy to replace, you want plenty of time to transfer knowledge.

And their contribution goes beyond work, they eat and buy stuff. It isn’t a negligable loss of GDP.

Virii are an actual existential threat, unlike muslim gang rapers. Muslim beheaders do not grow exponentially and do not mutate. So, as someone fairly worried about immigration and Islamists I find your priorities are not really anchored in the real world.
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 04 12:15:42
"And a passive virus isn't the same as subhuman Islamic filth. Those are preventable deaths - just exterminate Islam."

Ya. Notice we are trying to exterminate the virus.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 04 12:48:29
Loss of potential economic growth due to backwards islamist shitholes being shitholes is far greater than a few dead old people. Particularly given that most of the dead do not work - unless there are a whole lot of competent Swedish professionals living in nursing homes you should be safe.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 13:08:41
Generally people in their 60’s do not live in nursing homes in Sweden, they work. 15-100k is still not an interval that counts as ”a few”.

You have a view so narrow of ”work” that it is useless outside of whatever niche you are living in. I am surrounded by researchers, scientists and engineers, they are old, wise and competent, it isn’t debatablr really. This group is also notorious for being able to work well beyond retirement age, and not surprisingly they often do.

I think a couple of terrorist attacks and a few more rapes is an acceptable cost for cheaper labor and falafel stands. Jihadis unlike virus can only blow themselves up once and kill people.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 04 13:32:54
Nobody is irreplaceable. And there's nothing stopping them from self isolating until a vaccine is ready.

We haven't got to tank the economy over this if the vast majority of people are not significantly impacted.

Ofc maybe we should just start executing the elderly. It would accelerate the transfer of knowledge after a while. I guess the healthcare industry would take a hit given theyd have so much less work but oh well.

Okay. So we have to exterminate corona, Muslims, the Chinese, and the elderly. Seems like we can accomplish all these things in a reasonable amount of time.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 04 14:01:38
Who said anything about replacebility? Again, there are many things ranging from disasters to minor inconvinience that I want to avoid, notwithstanding my ability to afford them.

Given that this is the first time this is happening and virii indeed are an existential threat, any over reaction, if any, is acceptable. In the follow up we will review and assess to calibrate for the future. The first rule of life is to survive.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 04 14:07:26
By all accounts we've survived worse as a species. It's almost an act of divinity that this was our first big practice, given how minor it is.

Now the question becomes how we punish China and regain some semblance of control over production lines with national security implications
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Apr 04 14:17:06
Mortality rates still jump rapidly for younger people without access to hospitalization. In short, Pillz is a retard, like usual.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 04 14:24:19
Do you have stats for that from the states?
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Sat Apr 04 14:27:28
Let's talk about PR in a time of crisis....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nNSV2xT40
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 04 16:15:00
"and regain some semblance of control over production lines with national security implications."

100% agreed.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sat Apr 04 17:12:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBoojBTEPaI
chuck
Member
Sat Apr 04 18:42:52
> Forwyn Sat Apr 04 10:44:20
> Lulz...Boogaloo when?

---

> Boogaloo

> A term popular among many Libertarians, mostly based in the United States.

> Definition: A term to describe the action of actively rebelling against the government (State or Federal) when said federal government (or state government) tries to enforce tyrannical rule upon its citizens, taking away their rights to arms and then their inalienable human rights. This in any case is the prepared civilian response to such case, think bug-out bags and doomsday preppers but with a lot more weapons and munitions.

> Note: This situation could also apply to the collapse of government.

> Example Usages:

> “I swear, if the government tries to take our guns, a boogaloo will be their reckoning”

> “Remember to stock up on hollow-point for the Boogaloo!”

...what a cunty edgelord method of existence you've happened upon.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 04 18:48:05
What a thing to cry about.
chuck
Member
Sat Apr 04 19:00:42
Do you have hobbies other than fantasizing about all the different scenarios in which the gubmint might come for your guns?
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 04 19:51:08
Civil unrest can come in many forms that don't include retards pushing for gun confiscation. No empire in the history of the world has avoided collapse to date.

Unfortunately, I already lost all my guns in a terrible boating accident
chuck
Member
Sat Apr 04 20:33:30
What a smug internet dink. "Terrible boat accident" hurr hurr hurr, nothing matters.
Daemon
Member
Sun Apr 05 02:50:49
They will become professional killers

http://www...newborn-twins-corona-and-covid

A couple in India named their newborn twins Corona and Covid after they were delivered during the country’s ongoing coronavirus lockdown.

“The delivery happened after facing several difficulties and therefore, my husband and I wanted to make the day memorable,” Preeti Verma, the 27-old mother, told the Press Trust of India.

Preeti and Vinay Verma say the names will remind their children as they grow up about the hardships faced during the lockdown. And, hopefully, the family's triumph over adversity.
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sam adams
Member
Sun Apr 05 10:46:21
That is a lot of crying over the word "boogaloo"
Forwyn
Member
Sun Apr 05 10:54:05
At least he didn't pull a Cuckhat and quote Vox or Vice and claim it's just a brand of crypto-Stormfront speak for a race war.

But yeah, imagine reading all of these threads, and the thing that sticks out and triggers you is one meme that indicates that someone isn't concerned with the perpetual continuation of a shit government. lulz
sam adams
Member
Sun Apr 05 10:57:55
Lol cuckhat does use vice and vox as sources
jergul
large member
Sun Apr 05 15:15:17
http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Began listing tests done by country.
chuck
Member
Sun Apr 05 15:40:31
To make my point - because I really don't think you understand - and then move on.

Ctrl-F "Forwyn" in this thread. The extent of your contribution was:

> Lulz. I heard people are dying. Get ready for the boogaloo.

Don't confuse the contributions that other people made with your own.

My bitch isn't the idea of boogaloo, though fwiw it does make you sound unhinged. My bitch is that you're a grown man in America (and a vet to boot?) and yet:

A: The only reaction you can muster is "lulz, people are dying" - the exact same one a 14 year old retard in a 311 cover band would have had watching people jump from WTC on 9/11. You've had nineteen years to build a life since then and that's where you are.

B: Setting aside the "lulz", some assholes are still capable of interesting analysis. The only analysis you can muster is "boogaloo acomin!" You're so used to looking at the world through Ruby Ridge tinted glasses that that's your takeaway? Those are the only neurons firing?

C: Your country's domestic energy industry is getting fucked in the ass by Russia and the Saudis, China fucked the world in the ass and now is in a position to be sending disaster relief to the United States(!), but your concern is still "be ready for the gubmint to try some shit." Your boy in the White House won't even wear a mask under advice of his own staff and thinks there are good people on both sides but you're still sitting here clasping your copy of the Turner Diaries like it's Obama's fucking inauguration day.

America isn't fucked because of Coronavirus or recessions or alphabet people or the federal govt being tyrannical, it's fucked because of 30-somethings like you who are incapable of setting aside their fantasy lives long enough to engage with the the real world for 30 seconds. You're so stuck on being ready to "water the tree if liberty" that you can't see the real crisis in front of you.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Apr 05 16:28:25
Your first mistake was expecting "contribution" of any more value in the 19 Corona threads than the 30 tw Trump threads.

Your second mistake was being triggered enough to write multiple paragraphs about "Boogaloo when" when the point of the comment was to pass on that a doctor friend on a 21-day contract in NYC reported a fellow doc having a 34/34 mortality rate in an inner-city ICU. You could have written that off as secondhand info, because, hey - I notated it as such for you. Instead you went on a deranged rant while calling other people deranged, filling in the blanks with your retarded strawmen.

But please, start now on a geopolitical rant about the Russia-Saudi-China axis and its ramifications for us. I'm gonna enjoy what's left of my Sunday, before I have to set aside my fantasy life and get back to my essential job, helping to keep the shithole running while your gaping pussy leaks. Watch that blood pressure, it exacerbates secondary Wuhan Flu complications.
Daemon
Member
Sun Apr 05 16:56:04
http://www...tent-coronavirus-symptoms.html

U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been admitted to the hospital for tests 10 days after contracting the coronavirus.

A Downing Street spokesperson said it's a "precautionary step" since the prime minister continues to have persistent symptoms of the virus. (…)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 05 17:15:57
the deep state got him

the Queen also made a statement commenting on how awesome she is, and ranting on how the media is all fake, and all negative coverage is scam hoaxes
Paramount
Member
Sun Apr 05 17:20:09
Why did she have a green dress though? Hamas use the color green.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 05 23:04:41
she was probably seeking more green screen memes
smart dude
Member
Mon Apr 06 01:20:13
The Queen's (lol what grownup calls herself a queen?) fulltime "job" for the last few decades has been nothing but damage control for her shitty family. Who cares about that old hag?
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Apr 06 02:57:12
[smart dude]: "Who cares about that old hag?"

The losers over on Imgur have been making pro-queen posts about her. People who say, "She's not so great," or, "Monarchies shouldn't exist," quickly find themselves in the buried/down-vote section.
Examples (not worth actually clicking, just for posterity):
http://imgur.com/gallery/nYrDgyx
http://imgur.com/gallery/wFdUnmc
http://imgur.com/gallery/LYsZw1A

obaminated
Member
Mon Apr 06 12:03:21
SD is a fucking idiot. i dont like the royals at all. but a queen, which she is, calls herself a queen, you dumbshit.
Daemon
Member
Mon Apr 06 13:00:11
Ah shit another disappointment

http://www...e-unreliable-uk-scientists-say

The huge stock of 17.5m antibody home testing kits ordered by the government after Boris Johnson said they could be a “game changer” could in fact be unreliable, scientists have said, saying that they may fail to detect up to half of coronavirus cases.

After the prospect of the pregnancy test-style kits was first raised, it was suggested the tests would be made available “within days” on Amazon and via Boots, to allow people who have had the virus to return to the workplace confident in the knowledge that they are safe.

But in recent days, ministers have appeared to play down the likelihood of the tests being universally effective, with the health secretary, Matt Hancock, saying on Sunday that the tests were not yet “good enough”.

Now scientists involved in validating home testing kits have told the Guardian that no test on the market has yet been shown to be sufficiently reliable. Some kits, which claim a more than 90% rate of accuracy, appear to have been tested only in hospital on patients with very significant symptoms.


One expert told the Guardian that in reality the sensitivity of the tests was likely to be relatively low and more likely to detect 50%-60% of those with milder symptoms – the group for whom the tests were intended.
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sam adams
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:12:14
Man the uk and its bureaucrats are fucking this up. Not surprising given our one example of a uk government functionary.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:23:00
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been taken into intensive care in hospital with coronavirus.

He has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab to deputise for him, a No 10 spokesman said.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 06 14:30:52
Tsk tsk tsk.
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