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Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 06 14:32:30
Boris Johnson is in bad shape.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:33:37
Coronavirus: Prime Minister Boris Johnson moved to intensive care after condition worsens
Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care after his condition worsened, Downing Street has said.

The prime minister was admitted to St Thomas' Hospital in London on Sunday night - 10 days after testing positive for coronavirus - after continuing to display symptoms of COVID-19.

He was initially admitted "as a precaution" but Mr Johnson's health has since deteriorated, Number 10 said.

The prime minister has now asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab to deputise for him "where necessary".

A Number 10 spokesman said: "Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the prime minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the intensive care unit at the hospital.

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"The prime minister has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary.

"The prime minister is receiving excellent care, and thanks all NHS staff for their hard work and dedication."

More follows...

http://new...ter-condition-worsens-11969587
obaminated
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:34:22
if he dies. he dies.
sam adams
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:37:22
Damnit nimatzo i had a plan for xvi. Was gonna make a french revolution joke. Damn you!
sam adams
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:39:47
What percentage of 60 year olds in icu survive? 80%? If not At least he got to see his dream of brexit fulfilled.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:40:13
Maybe Jergul can delete this thread then.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 06 14:42:22
We don't have time for your silly games, King Boris is sick!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 06 14:43:45
Or sam could go dickhat and spam the thread. Yes that really happened.
sam adams
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:48:01
Important question. Does rock climbing chalk kill coronavirus?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 06 14:54:49
Only if taken rectally.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 06 14:56:37
I think it’s better to just blow out air from your lungs. I do that three times in a row whenever I have been outside. If there is any virus in my bronchus I just blow it out before I enter my home.
sam adams
Member
Mon Apr 06 15:08:17
Lol this is a funny start to the thread. Too bad jergul and seb are probably gonna gay this up with socialist BS soon.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Mon Apr 06 16:26:23
If Johnson dies this will be the reason:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
In 2007, Johnson said he had smoked cannabis before he went to university. He has also said he had used cocaine.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 06 16:35:49
Paramount
I just hold my breath whever I leave the house. Think about it. If I am not breathing in air then no virus can make it into my lungs. It’s a no brainer really.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 06 19:41:54
If Boris dies, it’s because he’s an old, fat male that exposed himself to high viral load shaking hands with infected people.

The virus doesn’t care about your politics.
Pillz
Member
Mon Apr 06 20:18:39
Boris needs to die for Farage to ascend and lead the UK into a glorious new future of independence.

But probably not just yet.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 06 20:24:25
"He has also said he had used cocaine."

Did anyone think he wasn't on cocaine? He is like chris farley and Garry Busey merges into a politician.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 06 21:28:23
I like this description more than british Trump.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 06 23:28:04
I am not defending wet markets. They should be banned. But...

Turns out the timeline does not fit for the wuhan wetmarket. Cases existed almost a month before the outbreak that can be traced from there.

Most likely of any theory - a farmer wallowed in batpoop while gathering guano for use as fertilizer. Exposure to a reduculous amount of bat corona allowed a branch to mutate to human compatibility (RNA is only 96% similar. Same as chimp to human) and survive in a human host.

Then someone infected went to the wet market and created a cluster there.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 06 23:29:47
"then no virus can make it into my lungs. It’s a no brainer really."

Quit literally a no brainer :D. I saw what you did there nimi :).
Pillz
Member
Tue Apr 07 00:48:17
By August, we will have conclusive evidence that China manufactured the Chinese Virus and released it in an effort to further its global standing by leading at the forefront of the global aid effort and setting the standard for mitigation.

Russia will also find evidence that Chinese agents were in Ukraine at the same time the virus began to spread on Russian soil.

Tbh this might be the end of the current Chinese nation state.
Pillz
Member
Tue Apr 07 00:49:08
Quick jergul, how many carriers can NATO deploy to china?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Apr 07 02:15:48
Jergul
;-)
Rugian
Member
Tue Apr 07 03:56:16
Pillz
Member Mon Apr 06 20:18:39
Boris needs to die for Farage to ascend and lead the UK into a glorious new future of independence.

Stop it. I can only get so hard.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Apr 07 07:48:01
Rugian so retarded he cares about Nigel Farage. Lol. Hate and stupidity is all that fills his mind.
obaminated
Member
Tue Apr 07 08:02:55
hate fucking is what you wife experiences with Jamal on a regular basis.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Apr 07 08:13:51
Cuckservatives are so sad. They project their failings onto others.
Daemon
Member
Tue Apr 07 08:39:16
Singapore has few cases, nevertheless today begins a month of lockdown:
http://www...ng-measures-to-reduce-movement
jergul
large member
Tue Apr 07 11:58:04
http://edi...counted-deaths-invs/index.html

On not registering the dead as covid-19 victims. Like I said in other words.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Apr 07 12:08:40
Not a big deal jergul, it’s just old, slow and unproductive people with little to no value. They only have themselves to blame for being old.
jergul
large member
Tue Apr 07 13:01:06
I am just harping on my message that we need to look at how mortality changes between 2019 and 2020 to measure the impact.

Any high score calculated by just looking at confirmed dead is going to be fatally wrong.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Apr 07 13:32:17
Jergul
SCB has started publishing preliminary results for daily mortality in 2020, because of a growing interest. It's food for jergulmath.

http://www...reliminar-statistik-over-doda/

So far based on these numbers, it is below or around average.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Apr 07 13:33:56
I bookmarked the site, to keep track.
Daemon
Member
Tue Apr 07 13:59:50
http://www...ach-visit-broke-lockdown-rules

New Zealand’s health minister has been demoted after he ignored national lockdown rules and drove his family to a beach 20km from his home.

Last week Dr David Clark was photographed going for a mountain bike ride 2km away from his Dunedin home. He apologised for the incident, saying it showed poor judgment at a time when all New Zealanders were being urged to stay at home and only exercise in their local area.

Now Clark has revealed a further indiscretion, calling himself an “idiot” for deciding to drive his family 20km to the Doctor’s Point beach on the first weekend of lockdown.

Lockdown rules state cars should only be used to purchase essential supplies such as food or medicine, and exercise should be taken in the local area only.
[...]
jergul
large member
Tue Apr 07 15:17:51
Nimi
Thanks. There are issues, but very interesting.

Quarterly numbers following a standarized format should be available shortly.
sam adams
Member
Tue Apr 07 18:02:57
Pastor who criticized coronavirus ‘mass hysteria’ dies from the illness

http://nyp...ss-hysteria-dies-from-illness/

Corona darwin of the day
State Department
Member
Tue Apr 07 18:05:20
"Last week Dr David Clark was photographed going for a mountain bike ride 2km away from his Dunedin home. He apologised for the incident, saying it showed poor judgment at a time when all New Zealanders were being urged to stay at home and only exercise in their local area."

2km is a typo, right? That's 5 or 6 minutes in one direction at a leisurely pace. Wait, why does it even matter where a biker is in relation to their home?
sam adams
Member
Tue Apr 07 18:40:16
Ya thats definetly way less than local distance for even a fat biker. Hell id say anything within a half days human power is fair game. Which can be 100km for a fit biker on a good bike and a road.
Pillz
Member
Tue Apr 07 19:38:07
Lockdown purchasing is normalizing. Dairy farmers are back to pouring milk down the drain because demands dropped back to normal.

Quebec extended lockdown to May 4th. Montreal has cancelled all festivals until July.

Today they announced Quebec will see between 1200 and 8800 deaths by the end of the month. 1500 seems reasonable
Forwyn
Member
Tue Apr 07 20:11:22
Apparently being outside an arbitrary radius from your home spreads Boomer Doomer

Flatten the curve, have echos in flu season!
Dukhat
Member
Tue Apr 07 22:21:21
It's more the fact that people are stupid so you have to enforce strict rules even though knowledgable can go about their daily lives and eaisly not get infected. Wear a face mask, avoid face to face conversations, open a window, wash your hands often. It's not really hard; but many people are fucktards so you have to enforce the rules evenly.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 08 10:27:50
There is an ‪immense suffering in the U.S. On a single day 1,997 Americans died of Corona. ‬

http://www...08/us/coronavirus-updates.html
Dakyron
Member
Wed Apr 08 16:39:04
In Colorado today, unmasked police officers harassed, threatened, and then assaulted a man playing softball in an empty park with his wife and daughter.

The department apologized and is conducting an "internal investigation"(which means the officer will be hidden out of public view for a week and return to normal duties".

http://www...ng-tee-ball-wife-kid-park.html

Other links besides daily mail, so it did actually happen.
Dakyron
Member
Wed Apr 08 16:41:38
Sam - we can only hope the pastor infected as many of his congregation as possible.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 08 18:08:50
Has anyone found any reliable numbers for day to day mortality this year in the US, perhaps even causes of death over the period?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Apr 08 18:34:21
National Vital Statistics System and CDC Wonder have that type of information, though I don't recall at what temporal resolution it has been made available.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Apr 08 18:36:07
Oh, and I don't know if it is updated for this year. I forgot you were asking for this year. The CDC does have data available for COVID-19 related deaths, but as I was discussing with Seb, lag time is sometimes weeks in terms of reporting and integrating suspected (unconfirmed) cases.
Seb
Member
Wed Apr 08 18:48:24
The worst part* of this is the utter tedium of home working wile also trying to look after a 4 year old.


*the worst part is actually the existential dread about elder relatives, but you know what I mean.
Seb
Member
Wed Apr 08 18:49:52
Am wondering about the feasibility of setting up a giant fucking screen and projector in the garden and organising a sort of open air cinema thing - we all sit in our gardens and watch the cinema.
Seb
Member
Wed Apr 08 18:50:13
ironically, the projector is easy, it's the screen that will be hard.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Apr 08 20:59:14
Enjoy your time with your children Seb. You won't get it back. Soon they'll be spending time on the internet and turn into the next TC or Hot Rod and you'll lose them forever to 4chan memes and Alex Jones rants.
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 08 21:07:03
^ that's what his wife's son's father told him about parenthood
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 08 21:14:17
People still debating seasonality should check out Australia.

Amongst the top in the world for test/million
First confirmed case in late January
237 cases/million, making it the lowest per capita total of any civilized western nation.

Cases per million are just a bit higher than Hong Kong, South Korea (way higher than Japan).

So unless Australia managed to lock down more effectively than any other country, without relying on population wide mask use like the Asians... Seems the virus struggles to infect widely in warmer conditions.
kargen
Member
Wed Apr 08 21:47:09
For a while Australians were the point of origin for most the cases in Colorado. The ski resorts got hit here first.
Habebe
Member
Wed Apr 08 21:49:30
Pillz, I would think population density would play a role as well.
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 08 21:59:47
You can't think though. Go calculate the population density of Australia for us
Habebe
Member
Wed Apr 08 22:17:08
http://en....ndencies_by_population_density

It's the 100th most dense, which isn't that dense, especially compared to those other nations. Most breakouts are in very densely populates areas, which makes sense.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Apr 08 22:29:22
It is autumn in Australia right now. Their weather conditions are opposite of the northern hemisphere. Australia and Germany shows that the number 1 thing you need to do is test widely. If we had done so in the first place, we would not have a fucking depression coming.
sam adams
Member
Wed Apr 08 22:35:43
Germanies per capita deaths are only a little better than ours and their stock market has behaved similarly. Canada and Australia are doing best at death rates in the western world... their markets are too small though to be worth noting.
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 08 22:50:43
Habebe is actually hot rod.
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 08 22:55:28
Australia is still warm enough to be unfavorable towards the flu, though. That will change and we'll see Australia have an uptick in cases in late spring/early summer.
Habebe
Member
Wed Apr 08 23:20:17
Pillz, I guess that's your response when you dont have a real one.

There are too many variables to conclude warm weather os the silver bullet.
Pillz
Member
Wed Apr 08 23:25:00
You apparently think that the Australian outback is populated. Step out and find an amazon truck to get in front of.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Apr 08 23:29:19
Sam- Germany is testing everyone. Lots of people are dying to the coronavirus in the US and are going unreported because this administration wants to hide how bad things are and still doesn’t have enough testing. It’s a total clusterfuck still.
hood
Member
Thu Apr 09 00:32:48
In a meeting today, it was indicated that my team may get redeployed to help with the COVID influx about to beset our system.

GG me.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 02:40:13
RIP hood.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 09 03:52:02
UAE and Norway are the only two proper countries that have tested more than 20k per million people.

The US is still only at 6k. Pulled up dramatically by NY State and Louisiana who both have tested 18k per million (New Jersey is also up there).

Cases seem to be a function of testing. What a fucking bomb given that we only count people infected who have been tested.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 09 03:52:42
Hood
You are very unlikely to die from covid-19. Lack of testing is keeping you safe.
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 09 04:00:33
Remember to blow out air from your lungs when you go off your shift. And to breathe in fresh air so that eventual high concentration of virus in your body gets diluted/reduced. And, if the virus really is heat sensitive, you could try the trick with the hair dryer and blow warm air into your lungs. It doesn’t hurt to try. If you are worried about looking stupid you could do it when your wife isn’t watching.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 04:18:40
"You are very unlikely to die from covid-19. Lack of testing is keeping you safe."

:,)
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 09 06:30:20
Yes that was a good one :)
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 09 08:16:21
More than 100 doctors have now died in Italy's coronavirus outbreak

The coronavirus death toll among Italian doctors reached 100 on Thursday as four more physicians died in the past 24 hours, the Italian doctors' federation FNOMCEO said.

Some 30 nurses have died from the virus.

http://www...in-italys-coronavirus-outbreak
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 09 08:26:41
So what? They signed up for it
hood
Member
Thu Apr 09 08:45:45
That's just not true.
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 09 08:48:46
Like saying cops didn't sign up for dangerous situations.

Theyre doctors. There is exactly this risk involved. It just happens to be a once in a lifetime sort of thing.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Apr 09 08:53:26
Don't feed the troll, hood.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Apr 09 09:23:32
"Thu Apr 09 08:48:46
Like saying cops didn't sign up for dangerous situations"

Let me help you, my boy. Sure they signed up for this, knowingly. But if cops get killed en masse on duty, people won't just shrug it off by mentioning how cops knew the dangers. Steps will be taken, to remedy the situation. Same with doctors. That's the point, never mind if they signed up for this. Doctors dying from covid needs to be addressed. That's the short answer to your 'so what' question
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 09:27:10
10% of the entire US workforce is now out of a job thanks to the government-mandated shutdowns.

Waiting for nim to bleat on about how all of this is worth saving a couple thousand senile geriatrics' lives.
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 09 09:30:50
A hundred doctors exposed constantly to a highly infectious disease in a county whose health care system has collapsed.

Obviously Italy should try to fix the issue, but I don't see how it's a big deal. At least they didn't lose more. And they could have.

Have they released demographic data on health care professionals who've died? Are 80 of these hundred doctors over 60...? If so that'd seem predictable more than preventable.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Apr 09 09:40:54
"Obviously Italy should try to fix the issue, but I don't see how it's a big deal. "

This is a reasonable response to paramount's post, that is way better than saying things like "so what, they knew the risks".
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 09 09:48:44
If it's an issue. Read the whole post.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Apr 09 09:51:37
Yes, if it's an issue. And even if it is not, the fact of doctors and nurses knowing the risks is irrelevant to establishing it, and to the ways of dealing with it. Or not dealing
Dukhat
Member
Thu Apr 09 10:17:11
Dumb Fuck Cuckservatives being blase about doctors dying just reveals how completely morally bankrupt they are. But then we all really knew how revolting they are on a personal level anyways.
Daemon
Member
Thu Apr 09 10:20:53
http://www...pandemic-insurance-141-million

A week after Wimbledon organizers canceled the tournament due to the coronavirus pandemic, more details have emerged about how an infectious disease clause in its insurance policy will help offset an estimated revenue loss of around £250 million.

Wimbledon is set to receive around £114 million ($141 million) from the policy, according to the Action Network, a figure in line with The Times’ reporting last week, which estimated the payout to be in excess of £100 million.

“We’re fortunate to have the insurance and it helps,” said Richard Lewis, Wimbledon’s outgoing chief executive, in an interview with The Guardian. “The insurers, the brokers and everybody involved have been excellent to work with so far, but there’s still a lot of work to do.”

The All England Club reportedly updated its Wimbledon insurance policy years ago to include the infectious disease clause following the worldwide SARS outbreak in 2002. The Club’s risk and finance subcommittee is charged with assessing all potential risks to the annual tournament, including global pandemics, terrorist attacks and even the death of a monarch, which would thrust the country into a time of national mourning.
[...]
hood
Member
Thu Apr 09 10:22:24
Most of the doctors in my health system didn't sign up to work in hospitals, or in the ER, or to treat infectious disease in such large quantities. Many signed up to see patients in a casual setting on an annual basis to take height, weight, and perform a brief physical exam. Still more signed up to perform specialized care, like preparing future parents for the process of delivering a baby; and they didn't even sign up for the gory hospital part of the actual delivery.

I could go on covering all the various doctors who are now going to be working in hospitals fighting COVID who never signed up to work an ER. And that extends to all of the other personnel who didn't sign up to work an ER.

Sure, this is a rare, foreseeable danger just like the beat cop walking the streets, but the best cop signed up to walk streets. Most of the staff fighting this outbreak didn't sign up to work an ER.




And rugian wants the casualties to resemble Italy, apparently.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 09 10:31:46
Jergul, So NY is about on par with Norway how is the US on par with the EU?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 10:35:07
Rugian
As someone with a conservative streak in my heart I respect my elders. I appreciate their place and value in the society I want to live in. On a peronal note, I have no idea what your relationship is with your father, but I love mine, he sacrificed quite alot for me to be where I am. He alone deserves atleast 40% of the American workforce.

The death tolls you see projected are thanks to all the meassures put in place. It only takes half a brain to figure out that they would be substantially higher without them. Your failure to put 2 and 2 together is only matched by your moral failure as a human being.

Also. Senile geriatrics overwhelmingly vote republican. I am shocked you would play dice with your base.

Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 10:35:39
"And rugian wants the casualties to resemble Italy, apparently."

1 per 3,400 in a country with one of the oldest populations in the world? Fuck yes I'd take that over an imploded economy.
Daemon
Member
Thu Apr 09 10:47:15
Corona saves lives:

http://www...ehicles-involved-idUSKBN21Q1E0

MILAN (Reuters) - A bridge on a normally busy provincial road in northern Italy collapsed on Wednesday but, with virtually no traffic due to the coronavirus lockdown, only two truck drivers suffered minor injuries, the fire brigade said.

A spokesman for the fire brigade said the 260 metre bridge on the SS330 road near the town of Aulla, roughly midway between Genoa and Florence, in the northern tip of Tuscany, collapsed at 1025 local time (0825 GMT).

Although casualties were limited in Wednesday’s incident, it highlights the poor state of repair of Italy’s road network, after the collapse of a motorway bridge in the port city of Genoa in 2018 that killed 43 people.

Helicopter views of the area of the latest accident showed sections of the bridge crossing the river Magra had collapsed to the level of the water, buckling a stretch of road behind it.

The lockdown to halt the spread of the coronavirus meant that heavy midweek traffic that might normally have been using the bridge was absent and only two vehicles were involved.
[...]
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 12:52:24
Nim

You respect authoritarianism and authoritarian regimes. Once you started praising institutions like the People's Republic of China amd calling for full-blown martial law in the West, you really cast yourself in a new way that cant be walked back.

Of course I dont want anyone, including my parents or grandparents, to die of Wuhan flu. But death is a part of life and we have to accept that. If we completely shut down everything every time something bad came along, we'd have practically nothing left to live for.

Alcohol results in 35,000 deaths on the US per year; drugs result in 75,000. Traffic accidents cause 40,000. Firearms are involved in 40,000. Murder causes 20,000; suicide another 45,000. Flu and pneumonia kill 55,000. Diabetes and heart disease respectively off 85,000 and 650,000. Should we shut down the country and surrender all our rights and liberties to the government to fight these as well?

Hell, skin cancer kills 8,000 per year. Why dont we just have the government ban people from ever going outdoors? Mom's dad's life might be in the balance!

If Wuhan flu was like the black death and had the potential to take out like a third of the population, then I'd agree that such severe measures would be necessary. But this ain't it.



Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 12:53:50
Mom -> nim. Although his cowardice in the face of this thing is rather womanly.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 09 13:21:37
Ruggy
Even with measures, Trumplague-19 is close to the leading cause of death right now in the US - and that is only counting registered deaths (the real number is far higher).

What you are actually saying is that the US cannot afford to be a pussy when only 0.5-2.5% of its population might die.

Because the economy? Way to go blowing holes in your nuclear umbrella (of course we would like to retaliate, but think of the job losses).
sam adams
Member
Thu Apr 09 13:34:50
Correct. Unchecked this would kill around 2 or 3 million Americans, and seriously sicken 10M more. Now the fact that most of those would be the oldest and infirm is worth mentioning... its a grey area to me. Probably worth temporarily pausing the economy but its close to that threshold.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 13:36:12
Rugian
"You respect authoritarianism and authoritarian regimes."

I stopped reading right there. I am Sorry that you had to go on for several paragraphs for nothing, but you are obviously a moron.
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 13:39:21
Jergul,

You'll forgive me if I dont place any confidence in jergulmaths. It should however be pointed out that the Communist Yellow Fever 19 virus heavily relies on comorbidities in order to cause fatalities. So we're talking about people who were likely to become a CDC statistic sooner or later whether they got the flu or not.
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 13:40:41
Nim,

You're a piece of shit who has no respect for Western liberal values despite living here your entire life. Go back to Iran so you can enjoy living your life the way the state tells you to.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 13:49:14
Sweden has a far more relaxed approach to this that your authoritarian piece of shit country. Haven't you heard how Sweden is suffering? Your dumbass president said it himself. Sweden according to your idiot president has opted for the route you are proposing. I am living your dream! In SWEDEN!
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 13:56:38
Yes, and what has been your opinion on that? Oh right, it's a "half assed" measure and you should just go with full lockdown.

Do I even need to go thread searching for the multiple times you favorably compared aChina's response to the West's, or can we just mutually agree that you did in fact say them?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 13:58:43
I think Sweden should be great like the USA. We have a saying in Sweden, you probably have it in the US as well. It goes, what good for the geese...well whats good for one geese is good for the other geese as well!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 13:59:39
Please go on and find those posts so I can explain some more why you are an idiot.
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