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Utopia Talk / Politics / Corona XVIi: China did it
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 09 14:01:34
Nim's mom is a goose
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 09 14:05:19
Well at least my goose mom, raised me right. When are you going to come as the sociopath you are and stop pretending you are some kind of conservative? You are really giving conservatives a bad rep.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Apr 09 15:40:35
That’s one headline I did not expect to see in my lifetime. The phrase “it is safer in Beirut” doesn't sound right , probably to anyone who wasn’t born in this century


US citizens in Lebanon decline repatriation offer, saying it's 'safer' in Beirut

http://www...on-coronavirus-intl/index.html
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 09 15:51:20
Trudeau today said Canada will not go back to normal for 12 to 18 months.

Gl with that.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Apr 09 16:01:23
I doubt we are ever going back to normal, whatever is the definition of normal. Like with 9/11, some changes will remain forever, after this pandemic.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 09 16:03:32
Crown, How about this one.

"Coronavirus: Mexicans demand crackdown on Americans crossing the border"

http://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52053656
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 09 16:03:37
When the depression begins, we're going to have people like you and nimatzo to blame.

Should have just let the old perish
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 09 16:08:33
I think Mr Trump has said that the virus is under control, so it should be safe in the US. If any place, Sweden is not safe. Have you looked at Sweden? People are suffering there very greatly.
hood
Member
Thu Apr 09 16:20:53
"people who were likely to become a CDC statistic sooner or later whether they got the flu or not."

If by "become a CDC statistic sooner or later" you mean "within the next 30 years" then I would agree. People can live a hell of a long time and be productive a reasonable portion of that time with the comorbidities that put you at risk.
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 09 16:42:52
What matters during this crisis in which thousands has died and millions has lost their jobs, is that people recognize that Trump is a shining star.

”The Wall Street Journal always “forgets” to mention that the ratings for the White House Press Briefings are “through the roof”” – Trump
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 09 18:10:22
Nimi
Whats good for the goose (f) is good for the gander (m) :).

Ruggy
We will all be dead on a long enough timeline. My point stands.

Your that Americans must die, or otherwise it will be bad for the economy has serious national security connetations.

Nuclear deterrence depends on people believing you are willing to do something very bad for business.

I have always had my doubts. You are strengthening them.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Apr 09 18:16:17
http://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1247704394029772800
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Apr 09 18:23:04
You should actually read the story, which has been corrected. The tweet is incorrect since the masks did not come from the US, but from China.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Apr 09 19:39:49
"The Wall Street Journal always “forgets” to mention that the ratings for the White House Press Briefings are “through the roof” (Monday Night Football, Bachelor Finale, according to @nytimes
) & is only way for me to escape the Fake News & get my views across. WSJ is Fake News"



Donald nails leadership here, fucking nails it
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 09 20:48:32
"What matters during this crisis in which thousands has died and millions has lost their jobs, is that people recognize that Trump is a shining star."

Paramount, Meh, its slightly less crappy than many liberals that were glad we had this virus if it hurt Trumps chances of re election.

If you expected Trump to tale the high road you have not been paying attention.
Pillz
Member
Fri Apr 10 01:31:49
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/quebec-preparing-plan-to-reopen-economy-as-covid-19-infection-rate-stabilizes-1.4890807

Quebec has half of Canada's cases. It was the first to begin shutting down seriously. It's done about a 3rd of the tests in Canada.


"Quebec reported 41 new deaths linked to COVID-19 Thursday, bringing the total to 216 in the province. Provincial health authorities said there are 10,912 confirmed cases of the virus, with 679 hospitalizations and 196 patients in intensive care."

216 deaths.

"Nearly half the deaths have come from long-term care facilities,"

"Ninety per cent of those who died were 70" years old or older and another nine per cent were aged between 60 and 69 years old, Legault said."

So provincially, of 10k cases, 2 people under 60 have died.

From figures released last week, we know that 80% of infected are 20-59.

So in Quebec the Chinese Virus has a mortality rate of 0.025% amongst that age bracket.

Hospitalizations are probably slightly higher than that.

Isolate the old. Offer welfare programs for people with diagnosed cardiovascular and lung diseases. Encourage the elderly to stay home, offer the same welfare opportunities to people aged 60 and up. Push early retirement initiatives.

Encourage the elderly to wear gloves and preventative masks.

Offer them specific hours at essential businesses. 7-9 for the elderly only.

Rest of us can go about our business.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Apr 10 02:03:24
More than slightly higher.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm

"Among 1,482 patients hospitalized with COVID-19, 74.5% were aged ≥50 years..."

And more to the point:

The COVID-19–associated hospitalization rate among patients identified through COVID-NET for the 4-week period ending March 28, 2020, was 4.6 per 100,000 population (Figure 1).

Hospitalization rates increased with age, with a rate of 0.3 in persons aged 0–4 years, 0.1 in those aged 5–17 years, 2.5 in those aged 18–49 years, 7.4 in those aged 50–64 years, and 13.8 in those aged ≥65 years. Rates were highest among persons aged ≥65 years, ranging from 12.2 in those aged 65–74 years to 17.2 in those aged ≥85 years."
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Apr 10 02:07:39
If just the elderly are isolated and the virus is allowed to spread like wildfire through the younger populations, 3-5% would probably need to be hospitalized. And that would seriously fuck each country's health care system unless it was spread out...which is the whole fucking point of flattening the curve.

This isn't goddamn rocket science.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Apr 10 02:23:45
Oops, sorry, they're running those on per 100,000. The perils of working well into the morning and multitasking. Regardless, the final point still stands - there just isn't enough medical capacity to handle the influx if the virus is allowed free reign.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Apr 10 02:44:34
Jergul
It was a play on the famous GWB botching of ”fool me once shame on me...”
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Apr 10 02:49:50
Pillz
We all expected ”it’s a hoax crows”. Now this a relatively bening one, when we get a really bad one, things will rapidly accelerate, to a place where we will have shoot on sight orders in place. The authoritarians will take power long before society is allowed to collapse. This is why you, rugian and me all ”supported” Assad, because we love dictators and authoritarianism.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Apr 10 02:50:11
It’s a hoax crowd*
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Apr 10 02:58:47
Oh btw, before anyone gets confused, those numbers from the CDC are incidence, not prevalence.
Pillz
Member
Fri Apr 10 03:02:32
0.7% hospitalization rate seems acceptable.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Apr 10 03:30:14
I just realized I botched it myself :(
Fool me once shame you*

Don’t post before the first pint of coffee.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Apr 10 03:31:09
It's an incidence, not a prevalence. And those CDC numbers are affected by the social distancing measures put in place. We see what appears to be a low incidence of hospitalization because social distancing and movement restrictions actually work. Take that away and shit hits the fan.
Daemon
Member
Fri Apr 10 03:36:48
About the data:
http://ctm...alization-rate-in-connecticut/

But the CDC is only tracking cases reported in certain counties in each state. In Connecticut, those are Middlesex and New Haven counties

Hospitalization rates in Fairfield County, the hottest “hot spot” in Connecticut, were not included in the study, nor was data from New York City, the epicenter of the pandemic in the nation right now.

Instead, the CDC focused on 99 counties that formed the basis for the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Network, launched in 2003 to monitor the severity of influenza seasons and provided information to help combat the flu.
chuck
Member
Fri Apr 10 10:48:54
From nytimes.com:

> [New York] Fire Department data shows that 1,125 patients were pronounced dead in their homes or on the street in the first five days of April, more than eight times the 131 deaths recorded during the same period last year.

> Paramedics are not testing those they pronounce dead for the virus, so it is almost impossible to say how many of the people were infected with it. Some may have been tested before they died and either were not admitted to hospitals or were discharged.

That's approximately 200 excess at-home deaths/day during this time period when compared to the 2019 numbers. It's unclear how many were tested and whether they would be included in the mortality numbers yet.

Attributed Covid-19 deaths for these dates in NYC, from NYC.gov, as of 4/10:

4/1: 349
4/2: 368
4/3: 374
4/4: 357
4/5: 406

If you keep things simple by assuming 100% of those at-home deaths are uncounted deaths from Covid-19, that would indicate an undercounting of 33-36% in the NYC numbers. Scale that 100% figure down as your own personal buttmath and political agenda dictates.
chuck
Member
Fri Apr 10 11:00:45
Or, putting it a more intuitive (and clickbaity) way by changing the denominator:

Accounting for excess at-home deaths, the actual death toll in NYC could be 50-60% higher than the official count suggests under pessimistic assumptions. Scale as you see fit.

I would also assume that undercounting would be worst when the crisis peaked and the healthcare system was most taxed (i.e. the first five days if April). Testing was more limited early on, but IIRC at the outset NY was still trying to do posthumous testing, plus Covid patients were less likely to be told to try to ride it out at home, etc.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Apr 10 11:23:52
I have seen the mass graves in NY to hide this fact from the world.
hood
Member
Fri Apr 10 11:39:27
Trump and his cheerleaders pwnt:

http://ars...latten-the-economic-curve-too/
The Children
Member
Fri Apr 10 11:51:51
the world shuld block and cut off the usa. it has shown it incompetence. completely out of control right now.

all flights shuld be blocked.

owned.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Fri Apr 10 12:24:24
She was only standing her ground!
http://the...ng-shoved-over-breaking-social



An 86-year-old woman died after another hospital patient allegedly shoved her for breaking social distancing rules while she was disoriented, police said Thursday.

Janie Marshall, who has dementia, wandered the emergency room at Woodhull Medical and Mental Health Center in Brooklyn on March 28 and grabbed another patient’s IV to regain her balance, The New York Times reported.

The patient, Cassandra Lundy, allegedly shoved her, leading Marshall to fall and hit her head. She died hours later, the New York Police Department told The Hill.

Police charged Lundy, 32, with manslaughter and assault last week after a medical examiner determined the cause of death was homicide. She was originally given a summons for disorderly conduct before the examiner’s ruling.
chuck
Member
Fri Apr 10 12:42:39
Nimi

Know you're riffing but - aside from the fact that US media is carrying it - a propagandist could totally make it look that way:

http://www...ilt-nyc-s-hart-island-n1181056
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Apr 10 14:02:00
http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1248456955149946880
chuck
Member
Fri Apr 10 14:02:00
At 0:22 you can see approximately how many rows have been covered versus how many are uncovered. Looks like seven uncovered rows, and uncovered rows are approx 3/8 of total trench so far.

At 0:32 you have unobstructed view showing the caskets are stacked three deep. Trench is also two files wide.

At 1:07 you can see the entire length of the trench. I would estimate that from the start of the trench to the bottom of the grade for the loader is approximately 20% filled in.

So 7 rows uncovered * 8/3 ratio of total to uncovered * 3 deep * 2 files = 112 bodies so far, with 112 / 20% of total capacity filled = mass grave for 560 bodies.

Applying maximally pessimistic analysis, none of those dead were iternants and unclaimed shut-ins who just died normally, and this is 100% for Covid casualties.

Other articles that talk about those graves say these probably aren't Covid fatalities yet. The morgue system being a FIFO queue, they're the unclaimed bodies that were already in the morgues when cases were just beginning to spike and which are now being pushed out by the more recently deceased.

Applying maximal Hannity analysis, the interred were 100% deaths of despair because Big Govt Liberals want to use the flu to take away your civil rights.

Whichever way you cut it, it's probably not something you expected to think about in 2020.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Apr 10 14:32:31
http://twitter.com/phillyTRU/status/1248656214642262016
Paramount
Member
Fri Apr 10 14:42:21
lol, I like how the police are dragging him off the bus with feet first, China style, and then throw his phone on the ground. lol


Meanwhile in Malmö, Sweden:

http://e.c...2f1fa91777fbd6/16x9/640@60.jpg


Meanwhile in Stockholm, Sweden:

http://cached-images.bonnier.news/cms30/UploadedImages/2020/4/5/6506d568-9d73-453d-a0fd-a2cd110fc54c/bigOriginal.jpg


Paramount
Member
Fri Apr 10 14:43:59
https://e.cdn-expressen.se/images/e7/66/e766862fdefc486da82f1fa91777fbd6/16x9/640@60.jpg

^ the s in the http apparently has to be there, otherwise the link won't work.
Daemon
Member
Fri Apr 10 17:18:00
Time to try carrots and water

http://www...g-positive-again-idUSKCN21S15X

SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.


South Korean health officials said it remains unclear what is behind the trend, with epidemiological investigations still under way.

The prospect of people being re-infected with the virus is of international concern, as many countries are hoping that infected populations will develop sufficient immunity to prevent a resurgence of the pandemic.


The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.

Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.

False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.


“There are different interpretations and many variables,” said Jung Ki-suck, professor of pulmonary medicine at Hallym University Sacred Heart Hospital.

“The government needs to come up with responses for each of these variables”.
Pillz
Member
Fri Apr 10 21:00:16
Opposite problem from Philly transit. We don't allow customers to wear gloves in the store. We have a sink for them to wash their hands when they enter and we have hand sanitizer if they prefer.

Today we had a dude who tried to skip the line up. I warned him, he said he'd skip the line if nobody started letting people in. We had to do a headcount because close was approaching, so we have to maximize the # of people legally allowed in.

So a minute later, headcount is done. The 2 people in line ahead of him removed their gloves. He refused, forced entry, wouldn't respect the 2 meter rule in place and started taking his mask off and talking in our faces.

Called the cops and he left. Several folks been removed, declined to enter, or left under similar circumstances.

And masks are the worst. Everyone is a fucking retard and removes them to talk aways, rather than using them as intended to not spread the virus. Apparently they just think they're handy little air filters thatll protect you when you're alone. But the moment you are speaking to a stranger, better remove it.

I don't understand.
Pillz
Member
Fri Apr 10 21:06:26
The most important thing we have to learn is how many people are asymptomatic or effectively asymptomatic, and test for them in the general population along with people who did get sick and stuck it out without being tested. Have to develop a comprehensive idea what % has been infected.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Apr 10 22:14:04
Pillz making sense for once. Interesting.
Pillz
Member
Fri Apr 10 23:17:27
Obviously I misspoke if you think you understand.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Apr 11 00:02:24
Let go of the hate and try to be constructive more often. You'll be surprised at how far it gets you in life much less this board.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 11 00:09:32
Let go of jamals cock, faggot
Dukhat
Member
Sat Apr 11 00:22:58
So close.
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 11 00:44:46
Oh, is Mrs cuckhat seeing deshawn today?
Dukhat
Member
Sat Apr 11 01:24:27
You know noone thinks of it as an insult except you right? To normal people (with actual sex lives), you're obsession with cuckolding makes you sound like a sad little incel.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Apr 11 01:24:34
your*
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 11 01:28:59
Wait, you dont think that being called a cuck is an insult?
Paramount
Member
Sat Apr 11 02:19:04
US marks record 2,108 coronavirus deaths in 24 hours

The United States on Friday become the first country to record more than 2,000 coronavirus deaths in one day, with 2,108 fatalities in the past 24 hours, according to the Johns Hopkins University tally.

The US has now recorded 18,586 deaths and is closing in on the toll of 18,849 dead in Italy, which has seen the most fatalities so far in the global pandemic.

America is also approaching half a million confirmed cases of COVID-19, with 496,535 as of 8:30 pm (0030 GMT Saturday), an increase of 35,098 in the past 24 hours.

http://afp...4-hours-johns-hopkins/a/0ny0e2
Paramount
Member
Sat Apr 11 02:21:26
Trump calls decision on reopening US the biggest of his life

“I don’t know that I’ve had a bigger decision. But I’m going to surround myself with the greatest minds. Not only the greatest minds, but the greatest minds in numerous different businesses, including the business of politics and reason,” Trump told reporters at a White House press briefing.

http://the...ing-us-the-biggest-of-his-life
Paramount
Member
Sat Apr 11 02:28:01
"But I’m going to surround myself with the greatest minds."

It is not wise to gather too many people in one spot. There should be no more than 2 people in one room, to avoid spreading Corona.
hood
Member
Sat Apr 11 02:41:57
"Wait, you dont think that being called a cuck is an insult?"

It's about as insulting as being told you have a small dick; that is, it's only insulting if it hits close to home.
Allahuakbar
Member
Sat Apr 11 02:44:23
Both USA and UK get destroyed.

Old Christians die but young Muslim immigrants survive. The takeover will happen sooner than I expected.

http://www...eath-toll-200410183811804.html

A further 980 people in Britain who had contracted coronavirus lost their lives in the 24 hours before Thursday evening, health officials announced on Friday.

It is the United Kingdom's worst single-day death toll since the outbreak began, and eclipses even the very worst days suffered by either Spain or Italy, the country worst hit by the deadly virus.

And the daily rate of deaths is still expected to rise yet higher for several days to come, said officials.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 11 03:19:51
Pillz
It’s very simple, those people do not think this is a big deal and find that these measures interfere with their daily lives.
Paramount
Member
Sat Apr 11 03:25:34
” Old Christians die but young Muslim immigrants survive.”

Not neccesarily. In NY I believe Brooklyn and its minority groups are the one hardest hit with the virus? In Stockholm, Sweden, we have a segregated area where lots of immigrants are living, Somalis and such (probably many muslims) who has been hit really hard. They have the highest deaths in the country. One reason is because in the beginning they didn’t get information on Corona because many of them don’t understand Swedish. So they died. Its vital to learn the language of the country you move to.
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 11 05:52:21
"Its vital to learn the language of the country you move to."

Thats very racist. Its up to the opressor white man to bend over backwards to coddle these immigrants.

-seb
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Sat Apr 11 10:36:13
http://pbs...kAMuHWb?format=jpg&name=medium
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 11 11:11:45
Nim: Cute. But not an excuse to walk into a $6000 fine or assault charges... Since that is both more inconvenient and sort of a big deal
jergul
large member
Sat Apr 11 11:16:22
"It's about as insulting as being told you have a small dick; that is, it's only insulting if it hits close to home."

In a twist of irony, the smaller the dick, the less close to home it has to hit. Or so I have been told.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 11 12:53:01
Pillz
Fines or not, you didn’t understand why people had trouble following ordinances. Because apparently some people are willing to go further than just talking on the internet.
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 11 13:09:34
Most NYC cases came from the london strain, genetic testing shows. Flights were left open because at the time the uk had a lower case count... though it turns out that was the result of britains incompetent and deficient testing. Seb strikes again.
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 11 13:13:37
Belgium is skyrocketing and may soon lay claim to the most deaths per capita.
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 11 13:27:24
Plenty of retards in the US too:



One church near Baton Rouge, Louisiana, for example, expects more than 2,000 people to attend its services Sunday. “Satan and a virus will not stop us,” Rev. Tony Spell, 42, pastor of the evangelical Life Tabernacle Church near Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He expects a crowd of more than 2,000 to gather at his megachurch on Sunday. “God will shield us from all harm and sickness,” Spell told Reuters. “We are not afraid. We are called by God to stand against the Antichrist creeping into America’s borders. We will spread the Gospel.”
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 11 13:41:34
The issue is not that they refuse to respect public safety nimatzo, or even the ordinances. Many are wearing gloves and taking them off is the issue for them

Nor is it that I refuse or do not refuse them. I disagree with the government response and public panic. If the topic comes up I say that I disagree. I express the same view about the old as I do here.

But I'm not going to get ticketed or arrested for breaking the law. Just like I dont walk around setting the homeless on fire just to make a statement.

Most of the folks we have issues with at my store are with refusing the take off gloves or putting on new ones inside. Unfortunately a lot of my staff are older grumpy fucks who can't into customer service and fear for their lives, so they create a lot of issues in how they approach customers who are a little to close or walking the wrong way.

99 out of every 100 people is following the rules or does so when asked. In each instance we've had to intervene in, the issue was hardly their refuse to follow the rules. They were unstable, aggressive individuals - usually but not always demonstrating intentional disregard for others 'safety' only when approached. Meaning that any interaction with them would probably result the same way just due to their character or instability.

Under normal circumstances these sorts of customers are rarely in a position where they're confronted, so they rarely create a scene. However our stringent protocols now create multiple possibilities for confrontation to occur.

At the bigger store I worked at they have it harder. Here I mostly have white customers. Older French or young hipsters.

There is all immigrants. They don't listen under the best of circumstances. They all think its the end of the fucking world too because they came from shitholes with droughts and war and famine and think that's what Canada will be now. Every man for himself survivalist mentality has set in for them.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 11 14:07:25
Pillz
So people want to follow the ordinances to different degrees, is what you are saying? They have varying degrees of belief in how big the deal is?

I am not sure how anything you wrote changes what I posted. People have various beliefs about the world and how it works.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Apr 11 14:25:56
And I am not trying to be "cute". I am not surprised that you personally are not willing to put into actions all your beliefs. I have also have many crazy ideas about things and stuff as well, which I do not follow through with.

I just tried to clear up a confusion you had about why people behave different than you by using the same imprecise language we have been using to describe this (or)deal. These people are convinced they are doing the whole social distancing just right, just like all the other lay people they have convictions and beliefs about how the world ought to be administrated.
Hrothgar
Member
Sat Apr 11 16:47:57
Things can't be "normal" until a vaccine is created and dosed to billions OR herd immunity from people who have recovered tips the scales and we go through a few weeks/months of no new cases.

Both options are a long, long way off in terms of total human population.
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 11 17:47:40
Pandemic be damned, Dak Prescott hosts a party for 30

http://pro...prescott-hosts-a-party-for-30/

Lol retard
sam adams
Member
Sat Apr 11 17:59:31
libs are still retarded too

http://kom...s-for-inmates-against-covid-19

Group plans to rally in Olympia for more protections for inmates against COVID-19
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 11 18:03:14
Lmao
Pillz
Member
Sat Apr 11 19:59:59
I have no idea what point you're trying to make nim. It isn't a big deal, but people are acting like it is. Was that ever in dispute?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Apr 12 02:28:45
No no, the point here was that some people are NOT acting like it’s a big deal and you ”didn’t understand”.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Apr 12 02:37:17
"Most NYC cases came from the london strain, genetic testing shows."

So Trump's idiotic travel ban against China and for all of Europe except the UK literally did nothing. Fucking idiot.
Paramount
Member
Sun Apr 12 03:09:04
Things are going rapid in America now. Your rights has been suspended! If you celebrate Jesus they fine you $500 but Liquor stores gets a pass!

http://youtu.be/iKIbK3eIkFQ
obaminated
Member
Sun Apr 12 15:00:47
"So Trump's idiotic travel ban against China and for all of Europe except the UK literally did nothing."

TIL that flights from China traveled to the East Coast of the United States.
obaminated
Member
Sun Apr 12 15:18:29
http://www...-as-covid-19-spreads-in-russia

im sure none will die, cause just like in china, russia has the cure for corona and no one ever dies from it, they just go on a vacation.
obaminated
Member
Sun Apr 12 15:20:37
ROFL Seb
UK has 85k cases and 10.5k have died. great healthcare system you endorse, buddie.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sun Apr 12 15:21:16
The real problem is that we need more brilliant antibiotics

http://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512
obaminated
Member
Sun Apr 12 15:37:28
does it really matter if he gets the specific term right during a press conference? are scientists going to suddenly start working on developing antibiotics because trump said this during a press conference?
jergul
large member
Sun Apr 12 17:04:24
Obam
So, what about those mile long line ups for food assistance?

The optics go nicely with the mass graves outside of Rilkers.

Great depression stuff. If only they could take some shots in black and white.
obaminated
Member
Sun Apr 12 19:24:20
french death rate is 14.5%
UK death rate is 12.5%
spain is 10%
Italy is 13%
Belgium is 12%
Netherlands is 10%
Sweden is 9%

America is 4%

rofl, fucking europe
Dukhat
Member
Sun Apr 12 19:59:31
Obaminated pulling numbers out of his ass. You can't argue with stupid.
obaminated
Member
Sun Apr 12 20:05:01
http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

who wants to bet the cuck will still dismiss this clear statistic because it disagrees with what rachel maddow has told him?
Habebe
Member
Sun Apr 12 20:11:04
The sad thing is that link has been posted numerous times on these boards lately.
jergul
large member
Sun Apr 12 22:01:59
Obam
Easy to keep the death ratio down if you don't check the corpses.

There are so many things wrong with the statistics that it is meaningless to try and score points off them.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Apr 12 23:46:54
Mexican tardnado being a retard and not understanding simple statistics is a fact of life.
Nekran
Member
Mon Apr 13 04:02:32
"Easy to keep the death ratio down if you don't check the corpses."

That. Here in Belgium our deaths have shot up in the past week, because we have started counting the deaths from nursing homes. Same thing happened in France.

The death rate is way underreported in most places.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 13 04:27:12
It is probably why Sweden has more confirmed deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland. It is because we are better at counting.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 13 05:07:21
Is it time to fire Fauci now? He has got to stop making Trump look dumb. I don’t understand why practically everyone is making Trump look dumb. Can’t people just let Trump govern in peace.


Sorry Fake News, it’s all on tape. I banned China long before people spoke up. Thank you

DeAnna Lorraine
@DeAnna4Congress
Fauci is now saying that had Trump listened to the medical experts earlier he could've saved more lives.

Fauci was telling people on February 29th that there was nothing to worry about and it posed no threat to the US public at large.

Time to #FireFauci...

http://twi...ump/status/1249470237726081030


But why is Trump so obsessed about China? If he wanted to protect America and American lives he should have banned Britain, because the virus came from Britain. They have proved it with DNA. Unless that is fake news too.
obaminated
Member
Mon Apr 13 05:24:47
"Mexican tardnado being a retard and not understanding simple statistics is a fact of life."

cuck, please explain how the percentages are wrong.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 13 05:37:29
Well obaminated. In most places deaths are underreported because they only count dead people who have previously shown a positive test for corona, before dying. This include the USA. That means all the people who die in nursing homes or in their own homes do no make it into the official corona death statistics. This has already been confirmed for NY, preliminary data indicated that mortality is significantly higher.

"Fire Department data shows that 1,125 patients were pronounced dead in their homes or on the street in the first five days of April, more than eight times the 131 deaths recorded during the same period last year."
-NYFD
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 13 05:44:22
^As chuck already described in some detail in this thread and people have been saying now for weeks.

A few place, France and Belgium are more rigorous in their count. Ultimately we will not know the true extent of this until the dust has settled and we can look at overall mortality and make the necessary adjustments.

So, best case you guys who are exclaiming how awesome you are doing based on LIVE and preliminary data, come off as desperate/scared and in denial. It may very well be that the USA did great and awesome when this is all over, it's just way too early to tell and nothing indicated that this is the case. These numbers are all over the place.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 13 05:52:32
Yup. In the meantime there are more pressing and concrete matters to consider, for an example whether Fauci should be fired or not.
Fred Phelps
Member
Mon Apr 13 06:02:42
http://twitter.com/GodH8sMedia/status/1249097300548505613
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 13 06:44:53
"It is probably why Sweden has more confirmed deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland. It is because we are better at counting."

You are terrible at counting. You have done 1/4th the Norwegian tests and have twice the population.

I think you will have to go with aiming for herd immunity instead of social distancing.

Your high death rate is from mostly testing the very sick exclusively.

I know for a fact that Norway collects tests from nursing homes (still flu season here. Doing it to preclude covid-19 on symptomatic residents).
LazyCommunist
Member
Mon Apr 13 07:10:47
Socialist Nicaragua will not destroy its economy, they won't become your slaves like you planned it!

http://www...a-a311-adb1344719a9_story.html


MANAGUA, Nicaragua — In the photo, a bunch of kids in swimsuits are sitting around a table at the beach. They're drinking Cokes, waving, grinning.

“We have a unique country . . . and it’s best to enjoy it with your family!” wrote Juan Carlos Ortega, the son of Nicaragua’s president, in a tweet with the image of his children posted on April 4.

As much of Latin America shuts down in the face of the coronavirus, Nicaragua is striking out as a radical outlier — urging citizens to go to the beach, enjoy holiday cruises and turn out for Easter-season passion plays.

Rather than discouraging crowds, the Sandinista government is trying to manufacture them. It’s promoting festivities such as an event to distribute a sugary fruit treat — “the biggest almibar handout in Nicaragua.” Authorities haven’t closed borders, businesses or stadiums.


But what perhaps most sets the Central American nation apart is its president. Daniel Ortega doesn’t seem to be leading the charge against the coronavirus. In fact, he hasn’t appeared in public for a month. The government says he’s still in control. But Nicaraguans are nervously wondering if the former Marxist guerrilla is ill, dead or simply avoiding human contact.

Health and human rights groups in the hemisphere, meanwhile, are growing increasingly alarmed at the government’s laissez-faire approach to the deadly virus.

The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights has called on Nicaragua “to recognize the extreme gravity of the situation, and immediately adopt steps to address and contain the pandemic.” Carissa Etienne, director of the Pan American Health Organization, told reporters “we have concerns about the testing, contact tracing, about the reporting of cases” in Nicaragua, as well as “inadequate infection prevention and control.”

Nicaragua’s neighbors fear they could be hurt by spillover effects. “We’re worried about their approach, because the recommendations of the [World Health Organization] are for social distancing,” said Costa Rica’s president, Carlos Alvarado.

“Calling for marches and crowds of people goes against these recommendations,” he told CNN en Español.

On Thursday, Michael G. Kozak, the acting assistant U.S. secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, tweeted that “Daniel Ortega is nowhere to be found” as his country faces covid-19. “Our hearts go out to the people of #Nicaragua who need leadership and factual information on this deadly pandemic,” he wrote. The U.S. government has imposed sanctions against Ortega’s family members and the police in retaliation for what it calls their corruption and brutality.

Coronavirus lockdowns across Latin America send Venezuelan migrants back to their broken homeland

Ortega, 74, is one of Latin America’s best-known politicians, the leader of the Sandinista revolution that toppled a right-wing dictator in 1979. He returned to the presidency in 2007 and has won reelection twice since then. His government has turned sharply authoritarian in recent years.

In Ortega’s absence, Vice President Rosario Murillo — also his wife — has been giving daily phone interviews to official media. Nicaragua has reported only nine cases of covid-19 and one fatality. Officials say all the infections were acquired abroad.

“We don’t have community transmission, thanks be to God infinitely,” Murillo said on Thursday.


Costa Rica, Nicaragua’s less populous neighbor, has confirmed more than 500 cases of covid-19. The Cuban government has said that three of its citizens who recently visited Nicaragua have tested positive for the virus.

Josefina Bonilla, a doctor and public health expert in Managua, the capital, said Nicaragua’s low number of cases reflected a lack of testing. The government hasn’t revealed how many people have undergone the exams, and private hospitals have been barred from conducting them.

“If you only do a few tests, you’ll only have a few positive results,” Bonilla said.

She said Nicaragua enjoyed some advantages in confronting the health crisis. The country of 6 million is less densely populated than others in the region. Only a small percentage of citizens are elderly — the group that has typically suffered the highest rate of fatalities. But it’s also the second-poorest country in the hemisphere, after Haiti. If the virus spreads unchecked, Bonilla said, the country could face a “catastrophic scenario.”


And that’s why the large gatherings of recent weeks are causing so much alarm.

Authorities have organized pro-government rallies, including one in mid-March dubbed “Love in the Time of Covid-19,” to show “solidarity” with victims worldwide.

Even as other Central American countries shut down airports, schools and sporting events, Nicaragua has stayed open for business. Its soccer league has continued to hold matches, with some anxious players wearing masks. Public schools remained open until April 3, the start of an extended Easter break. The official tourism agency touted scores of Holy Week events, from fishing tournaments to beauty pageants.



Former foreign minister José Pallais said the government appeared to be afraid that the pandemic could damage the already listless economy. Once fast-growing, it cratered after the government violently suppressed pro-democracy protests in 2018. The crucial tourism sector was hit particularly hard.

The government wants to “ensure it has the income to sustain its repressive apparatus and keep its base mobilized and ready” in case there are further demonstrations, Pallais said.

Murillo, who also serves as government spokeswoman, did not return a call and email seeking comment.

Authorities say they’re doing a responsible job preparing people for covid-19 — sending health teams door to door to encourage people to wash their hands and report fever or other virus symptoms. Murillo said Wednesday that the government was “rigorously applying” sanitary measures in airports, ports and jails.



But when a Catholic bishop recently tried to open several medical centers to provide information about the coronavirus, he said he was blocked by the Health Ministry. “The diocese wanted to work for the people’s health, and we were not permitted,” tweeted Bishop Rolando Alvarez, of the northern city of Matagalpa.

Wary Nicaraguans are taking their own precautions. Churches in this predominantly Catholic country canceled Holy Week processions and have been transmitting Mass via video. Beaches have largely remained empty. (As it turned out, the beach photo tweeted by Ortega’s son was old.) Private schools switched to online classes weeks ago.

“People are staying at home,” Leonardo Torres, the head of the national committee of small and medium-sized businesses, told the news site Nicaragua Investiga. Hopes that Nicaragua would receive 160,000 tourists, as it did last year, had been dashed, he said — it might not get half that many.

Soon after he spoke, an Aeromexico flight took off from Managua for Mexico. It was the last flight by the last international airline serving Nicaragua. All have now canceled their flights indefinitely.

The country’s borders were still open, but no one was coming.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Apr 13 07:38:02
Ok I can't wait for this to fill up.
The End.
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