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Paramount
Member
Sat May 09 03:32:06
There is a terrorist cell in the US called Silvercorp USA. Its leader Jordan Goudreau has admitted to that two members of his group was captured when they carried out a terrorist attack against a soveriegn nation.

The question now is if the US government will hand over the leader of Silvercorp USA to Venezuela or if the USA will harbor terrorists?

To be continued...?



Venezuela detains two US citizens over speedboat incursion

Venezuelan authorities said eight armed men were killed during Sunday's alleged coup attempt.

In a live broadcast on Monday, Mr Maduro displayed what he said were the passports of the two arrested Americans - Airan Berry and Luke Denman - who work for a Florida-based security company.

The Venezuelan government said the group of "terrorist mercenaries" had left Colombia and landed in the town of Macuto, about 21 miles (34km) north of the capital Caracas, on Sunday, where they were arrested.

Attorney General Tarek William Saab tweeted on Sunday, saying the group were "seeking to cause a coup and an assassination attempt". He shared photos of bullets and guns which were seized from them, according to the Venezuelan special forces.




Who are the detained US citizens?

Not much is yet known about Luke Denman, 34, and Airan Berry, 41.
Venezuelan military high command said the pair were members of the US security forces. US media have suggested they are former members, but this has not been confirmed.

When asked about them on Tuesday morning, Mr Trump said: "We'll find out. We just heard about it", adding that they had no government connection.

Jordan Goudreau, a former member of the US Army special forces, has, however, been quick to claim an association.

He told Reuters news agency: "They're working with me. Those are my guys."

Mr Goudreau, who leads a Florida-based private security firm called Silvercorp USA, said he was one of the plot's organisers.

They have reportedly plotted previous cross-border incursions which failed to get off the ground. The plan is said to have involved raiding military bases in the hope of igniting a popular rebellion that would end in the ousting of the president.

Mr Goudreau has also released a video in which he referred to a "daring amphibious raid" that had gone "deep into the heart of Caracas", adding that various "units had been activated" across the country and were now fighting.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52543033
Paramount
Member
Sat May 09 03:50:19
I take the liberty of changing the text a little bit to give a different perspective:


Osama Bin Laden, a member of the Al-Qaida, has, however, been quick to claim an association.

He told Reuters news agency: "They're working with me. Those are my guys."

Mr Bin Laden, who leads a Afghanistan-based private security firm called Al-Qaida, said he was one of the plot's organisers.

They have reportedly plotted previous cross-border incursions which failed to get off the ground. The plan is said to have involved raiding military bases in the hope of igniting a popular rebellion that would end in the ousting of the president.

Mr Bin Laden has also released a video in which he referred to a "daring amphibious raid" that had gone "deep into the heart of New York", adding that various "units had been activated" across the country and were now fighting.


USA: HAND OVER THE TERRORIST IMMEDIATELY!!!
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 10:41:11
Isnt Maduro a fugitive?
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Sat May 09 10:55:37
did he grab your pussy?
Paramount
Member
Sat May 09 11:25:07
Venezuela should be able to issue an international arrest warrant on Jordan Goudreau and on the members of his group and on those who funds them and is protecting them.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 11:29:01
The issue with that is that the recognized i terim president is not Maduro, its Guidoa (sp)
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 11:30:37
Except that Hezzbollah, Hamas, China, Iran and North Korea recognize Maduro so maybe the legion of doom he has backing him can get something going.
Paramount
Member
Sat May 09 11:33:19
It should be easy then for the Democrats to win over Trump. All they have got to do is to ask Europe and the UN who they want to see as the President of the United States. If the majority says Joe Biden, well then Joe Biden is the President of the United States.
Rugian
Member
Sat May 09 11:57:37
"All they have got to do is to ask Europe and the UN who they want to see as the President of the United States."

http://youtu.be/084irEAQrLQ
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 12:43:30
Do you not understand the difference though between support and recognition. Everyone recognizes Trump as the legitimate president of the US.

Meaning I can go to the UN and demand xyz but since they dont recognize me as the president it means nothing.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 12:47:24
Rugian, Lol.
Paramount
Member
Sat May 09 13:01:14
It doesn’t matter what other countries says. In Venezuela Maduro is recognized as the legitimate president. Because, you know, he won the election. The Venezuelans does not even know who this Guidoa is.

He came from nowhere and claimed that he was the rightful leader of the country. He must have realized how ridicilous that was so he later said he ”only” wants to be a interim president.
Paramount
Member
Sat May 09 13:05:43
” Everyone recognizes Trump as the legitimate president of the US. ”

But what if the Democrats asks Europe who they really like to recognize as the President of the United States, and if everyone then says Joe Biden? Then surely, Joe Biden is the legitimate president of the US?
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 13:29:00
Well, those that don't recognize him just will not deal with him and let the country spital down until it's people oust him, Venezuela is like African backwater poor now thanks to Maduro.....just let nature take its course, even Russia backed out of Venezuela.
Paramount
Member
Sat May 09 13:32:32
” poor now thanks to Maduro”

Nah, mostly poor because of the unjust sanctions.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 13:51:12
Well, sanctions would be lifted if he left power and nations like the US and Sweden would deal with them again.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 13:51:58
Now also the fact that They base there economy on oil is dumb.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 14:12:20
Actually a good comparison would be to look at Venezuela and Chile economically and the political paths they took.

Sort of like North and South Korea.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Sat May 09 14:13:03
http://www.instagram.com/p/B_4v5hYApBi/
jergul
large member
Sat May 09 21:21:20
habebe
I am pretty sure Osama did not recognize the US. So the attack was legit then?
jergul
large member
Sat May 09 21:27:41
It really is an example of possession being 9/10ths of the law.

It does not matter who does or does not recognize the regime in Venezuela. the current regime remains the defacto government of the country.

Hence the plan to "overthrow it".

Recognition revolves around various diplomatic arrangements. It does not trigger a free-for-all where anyone can invade.

The US should reign in that private security force. In the interests of the rule of law.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 21:28:56
Jergul, Well he was more than welcome to not trade with US companies, he could have even not traded with other nations that traded with us. I would have been totally fine with that as was his right to do so.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 21:35:37
Honestly I dont know enough of the details to make a decision. Also I dont really care about that regime, its only a crime if they fail. They did fail however so now there may be some consequences. However since Maduro has been charged as a criminal fugitive its kimd of a grey area, whats he can do declare war on the US?
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 21:35:38
Honestly I dont know enough of the details to make a decision. Also I dont really care about that regime, its only a crime if they fail. They did fail however so now there may be some consequences. However since Maduro has been charged as a criminal fugitive its kimd of a grey area, whats he can do declare war on the US?
Habebe
Member
Sat May 09 21:43:14
I didmt know the state department put a bounty on him. This was no invasion. This was a failed bounty hunter, like dog.
The Children
Member
Sun May 10 13:24:28
just crazy and again the yankees are behind this bullshit.

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