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kilo
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Wed May 13 12:24:34
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/trump-us-latest-coronavirus-reporters

'Don't ask me. Ask China': Trump clashes with reporters then abruptly leaves press briefing

President lashes out at Asian American journalist who queried his constant emphasis on being first in testing

Donald Trump abruptly halted a press conference on Monday after being challenged by an Asian American reporter whom he told: “Don’t ask me. Ask China.”

With the stars and stripes at his back, Trump held his first press briefing since 27 April in the White House rose garden, flanked by testing equipment and swabs and signs that proclaimed: “America leads the world in testing.”

But during a question and answer session, Weijia Jiang, White House correspondent of CBS News, asked why the president constantly emphasises that the US is doing better than any other country when it comes to testing.

“Why does that matter?” she queried. “Why is this a global competition to you if every day Americans are still losing their lives and we are still seeing more cases every day?”

Trump retorted: “Well, they are losing their lives everywhere in the world. Maybe that is a question you should ask China. Don’t ask me. Ask China that question. When you ask China that question you may get a very unusual answer.”

The president then called on another reporter, Kaitlan Collins of CNN, but she paused as Jiang interjected: “Sir, why are you saying that to me, specifically?”

The president replied: “I am not saying it specifically to anybody. I am saying it to anybody who would ask a nasty question like that.”

The CBS correspondent pointed out: “That is not a nasty question.”

Collins, at the microphone, then tried to ask her question, but Trump said he was now looking to someone at the back. As Collins repeatedly objected, the president turned on his heel and left the podium.

Trump has frequently been criticised for adopting a particularly harsh or patronising tone at press conferences to women in general and women of colour in particular. Jiang was born in China but immigrated to America at the age of two.

Tara Setmayer, a political commentator, tweeted: “Another disgraceful, racist, temper tantrum by Trump b/c he was asked a pointed question by @weijia… Trump can’t handle smart, assertive women.”

The Democratic congressman Ted Lieu of California tweeted: “Dear @realDonaldTrump: Asian Americans are Americans. Some of us served on active duty in the U.S. military. Some are on the frontlines fighting this pandemic as paramedics and health care workers. Some are reporters like @weijia. Stop dividing our nation.”

Earlier at the briefing, Trump claimed that the US’s testing capacity was “unmatched and unrivalled anywhere in the world, and it’s not even close”. More than 9m tests have now been performed, he said, and where three weeks ago roughly 150,000 per day were done, the total is now 300,000 per day and will go up.

Trump said this week the US will pass 10m tests, nearly double the number of any country and more per capita than South Korea, the UK, France, Japan, Sweden, Finland and many others. But critics point out that South Korea implemented its testing much quicker, flattening the curve of cases so fewer tests were required.

The president announced his administration was sending $11bn to states, territories and tribes to boost testing. He described it as an effort to “back up” states but did not unveil the national testing strategy that many experts have called for.

Trump also claimed without basis that “if somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested”, echoing a spurious claim he made way back on 6 March.

“In every generation, through every challenge and hardship and danger, America has risen to the task,” he said. “We have met the moment and we have prevailed.”

Trump, who has been encouraging states to reopen, promised: “We will defeat this horrible enemy, we will revive our economy and we will transition into greatness. That’s a phrase you’re gonna hear a lot.”

Democrats expressed scepticism. Daniel Wessel, Democratic National Committee deputy war room director, said: “Trump says we ‘prevailed’ on testing, but his response has been a complete failure and made this crisis worse than it needed to be.

“Trump still hasn’t helped states reach the testing capacity they need, every American who wants a test can’t get a test, and he is only now taking steps that should’ve happened weeks ago. While Trump wants to declare mission accomplished, the American people are still suffering and will not forget how he gave up on them.”

The campaign group Protect Our Care noted that it was 13 days since Trump said the US will run 5m daily tests “very soon”. Zac Petkanas, director of its coronavirus war room, recalled that Trump promised that anyone who wants a test could get a test and that the US would soon be testing 5 million Americans per day.

“This wasn’t true when he said it and it’s not true today. What is true is that more than 80,000 Americans have lost their lives in large part because Donald Trump still hasn’t taken testing seriously. The only thing that the president has prevailed at is making America first in reported deaths and infections.”

The White House itself is not immune from coronavirus. Katie Miller, the press secretary for Vice-President Mike Pence, and a personal valet who works for Trump both tested positive last week. Those entering the West Wing are now required to wear a mask or face covering, after a new memo was issued on Monday. Trump and Pence are being tested every day. Trump, however, is exempt from wearing a mask in the White House. It’s not clear if Pence will wear one or not.

The president said it was “shocking” how many people come in and out of the White House every day. “I’ve felt no vulnerability whatsoever,” he said.

During the press conference, Trump’s presidential election opponent, Joe Biden, tweeted: “Donald Trump and his team seem to understand how critical testing is to their own safety. So why are they insisting that it’s unnecessary for the American people?”
kilo
Member
Wed May 13 12:25:59
I looked at the video and I dunno. I'm trying to see this from a neutral standpoint, but I believe he could have answered that question differently considering who was asking him the question.
Rugian
Member
Wed May 13 12:28:10
I thought it was clear that he was saying that we're engaged in a propaganda war with China. But kudos to that reporter for making it impossible to ever criticize China in front of her, lest she imply that you're a racist.
kargen
Member
Wed May 13 12:30:57
Her race had nothing to do with the answer. He has told other reporters who ask similar questions to go ask China. Some of them are old white men. That he didn't change his stock answer shows he wasn't considering her race when he answered the question. He didn't tiptoe around who she was. The reporter was the one that decided to put her race into the equation.
And yeah he could have answered it better.
kilo
Member
Wed May 13 12:34:30
At first I was like, "Damn that's fucked up" then I looked at it again and thought "Well the virus originated in China supposedly, so yeah it's not racist just because she's Asian."

I'm just kind of wowed at how he answered the question.
Paramount
Member
Wed May 13 12:39:51
Why should they ask China when they are asking the President of the USA a question?
Habebe
Member
Wed May 13 12:40:54

The president replied: “I am not saying it specifically to anybody. I am saying it to anybody who would ask a nasty question like that.”


Love it.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed May 13 12:44:24
What a snow flake, waaaaa media is nasty to me. We called George W Bush a monkey, Kanye said he hated black people. Bush took it like a champ, with the stoicism of a man. But not princess Trump, nohoho unless you stroke his vagina hair the right way he will snap and have a tantrum.
Habebe
Member
Wed May 13 12:48:10
We called the Obamas monkeys too but that was deemed racist.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed May 13 13:27:37
I didn’t think so, he does have big ears. But yea peole and by people I mean Trump even questioned his birth certificate. Like a champ, like a fucking champ. Waaaaa mommy they don’t believe I came out your vagine in Hawaii they so nasty! Can you imagine?
Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed May 13 14:52:24
I have sent an email to the Chinese embassy and asked them but they did not answer me!!!!
kargen
Member
Wed May 13 15:23:42
Nim how President Bush reacted to the press is the same way he behaved even before he was president. Same with President Trump. President Trump has been coarse and gruff basically his entire adult life. I don't particularly like it but it is his style and it works for him.
For a while I wondered why when an issue was about to go away would President Trump stir shit back up again. Then I realized he likes the fight. For whatever reason he thrives on competition and confrontation.
The Children
Member
Wed May 13 15:33:46
dear average ameriacn,

thank u for the letter! we r pleased 2 inform u that we received ur question in good faith. and here is what we can tell u.

we the chinese peoples can tell u how much joy we r for askin that question. and oh boy, do we have an answer 2 u.

u can ask us chinese anything!

with regards 2 ur question, u have indeed asked us. we hereby confirm that u have: asked us and didnt ask him.

therefore, we appreciate ur question.
what we can tell u is that there is indeed a lot of different ways of askin and even more ways of not askin.

we hope this answers ur question and if u have more answers, feel free 2 ask us so that u dunt have 2 ask him!

the chinese peoples.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed May 13 15:48:52
Kargen
He is unbalanced that is the issue. And however he was before presidency, he was never under media scrutiny, the media liked him then.
hood
Member
Wed May 13 15:54:36
"President Trump has been coarse and gruff basically his entire adult life."

Yes, he's been a hair-trigger asshole for his entire life. I don't think anyone is arguing differently.


"For a while I wondered why when an issue was about to go away would President Trump stir shit back up again. Then I realized he likes the fight."

No. He has a compulsion to be right and to be perceived as better. It's called narcissism. Part of narcissism is the inability to accept criticism. This is why he lashes out at anyone who says anything perceived even remotely negative. As nima said, unbalanced.
smart dude
Member
Wed May 13 16:14:34
Haven't read the thread 100% so not sure what the cucks are saying.

But let's give President Bonespurs the benefit of the doubt that a) his comment wasn't racist and b) the reporter's question was "nasty."

HIS ANSWER STILL MAKES NO GODDAMN SENSE.
kargen
Member
Wed May 13 16:59:49
" the media liked him then."

and the only thing that changed is the media darling (Hillary) blew the election and the media instead of blaming her have decided to blame him.
kargen
Member
Wed May 13 17:01:40
The Children Average Ameriacn was wanting a response from China not the slums of London.
Forwyn
Member
Wed May 13 18:19:29
Imagine asking a question then getting butthurt that the response was directed at you. rofl
smart dude
Member
Wed May 13 22:21:14
Imagine asking the president a question and he tells you to ask another country instead, one that just so happens to be the country you were born in.
kargen
Member
Wed May 13 22:52:03
Imagine asking the president a question to actually learn something or get latest information instead of using your question to the president for your own narcissistic pleasures.
Forwyn
Member
Wed May 13 23:11:07
Imagine deriding US testing metrics nonstop, comparing to Europe, South Korea, etc, then when we surpass everyone you try to flip the script and say, "Oh it's not a contest, we're in this together, people are dying", then when he points to the country of origin, that recklessly handled pathogens without proper precautions, and lied about its infectivity, you try to flip the script again, trying muh racism

Racism would be calling her out as a foreign psyops agent, as every other Chinese native tends to be
hood
Member
Wed May 13 23:27:44
"Imagine asking the president a question to actually learn something or get latest information"

Imagine a president that could accurately answer such a question.
smart dude
Member
Wed May 13 23:37:46
"Imagine asking the president a question to actually learn something or get latest information instead of using your question to the president for your own narcissistic pleasures."

Yeah, okay. It was a bad question. But WTF kind of response is "Ask China?" Makes no sense.
smart dude
Member
Wed May 13 23:39:34
Like explain what Trump means by "Ask China" in a way that doesn't make Trump seem like a complete idiot. You can't because it's not possible.

"as every other Chinese native tends to be"

what a fucking idiot
kargen
Member
Wed May 13 23:58:55
"Imagine a president that could accurately answer such a question."

I guess we are going to have to because nobody is asking such a question.

And I agree the answer makes no sense. Not claiming it does. I am saying the answer wasn't racist.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu May 14 00:04:54
And that is after what you are aiming for in a president, not racist :-)
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 00:35:13
I was for an unapologetic assholes with little to no filter.

Score.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 00:36:19
I was looking for an unapologetic asshole with little to no filter.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu May 14 00:49:55
Yea, but you also cooked meth for a living. So I kinda get it. And you are also a piece that does not fit in the SJW hierachy of victimhood, as in you are a white hetro male, without any of the alleged inherent privilege, power and money.

I still get why anyone voted for him the first time and unfortunatly with the candidacy of demented uncle nasty fingers once again I understand. It is a real spit in the face. You metooed everyone and their mother, you tried to crush Margret fucking Atwood for standing up for due process! Relentless, until it came to Biden.

This is not the outcome of the greatest form of governance.
Forwyn
Member
Thu May 14 00:53:55
sd pretending China isn't shipping in thieves and double agents by the fucking boatload, lol
kargen
Member
Thu May 14 01:48:41
"And that is after what you are aiming for in a president"

He wasn't my choice but if my choice couldn't win I like him much better than any of the other candidates.
So far my choices this time around are looking bleak.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu May 14 02:30:15
I think it is much worse, because these are the kinds of choices you and everyone else will be given. They basically amount to the shade of brown you would like on the turd in your turd sandwich. The cancer has spread deep.
Dukhat
Member
Thu May 14 02:50:46
"Both sides are the same!"

People online are so fucking intellectually lazy.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 04:01:36
Nim, It worked well, until it didn't . I think that two party system can't handle this level of partisanship to be honest.

How do you govern when at any given time half of the country loves you and the other half hates you almost soley on what side your on? That goes for whoever wins regardless of how good or bad you do at the job, that remains about the same.

I really don't see a way out of it.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 04:26:09
The shitsandwich choice does matter as the short-order cook making them will tend to change consistency of both types to give around 50% production of each.

So if you choose the left* side, then everything will shift left over time.

*By left here, I mean far right by European standards. Right of that is of course ultra far right.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 04:27:16
habebe
Dissolution of Union. Liberate your States.

The sentiment is mainstream now. I have seen it expressed on twitter.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu May 14 04:55:41
Whatever future we have is pretty much in that direction, more sovreignty to smaller entities. A good future that is.

Habebe perhaps that is something the election process should take into account. It has deteriorate into a flaming contest.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 05:35:16
Actually, states seem to be able to get past the partisanship. Atleast to a greater degree than our national politics.

Trumps actual governance is very moderate, yes he has gutted regulations, but he has put in protectionist tariffs that are traditionally leftwing. USMCA had bipartisan support and was supported by labor unions.But he is portrayed as super right.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 05:36:44
Inhad more to elaborate but im crazy tired, took my dad tonthe ER again for angina havnt heard back yet so I didnt sleep all night.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 05:49:31
"The sentiment is mainstream now. I have seen it expressed on twitter."

Rofl. Do you also think that 90% of Americans are LGBT AOC supporters? You know, since we're basing our understanding of politics on Twitter users.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 05:53:41
Ruggy
The Greatest Leader on the Planet uses twitter as his main channel of communication.

I was of course referring to his tweets on the Liberation of States.

Capitalization is Fun!
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 05:56:14
"*By left here, I mean far right by European standards."

Think you misspelled far left there chief. US progressives are global leaders in promoting social degeneracy.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 06:20:12
Ruggy
That tells us a lot about the bubble you live in.

In the US, there are two major parties. One of them is far right. The other one is ultra-right.

Your Democrats are a lot more reactionary that the most rightwing party in the Norwegian Parliament.

Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 06:50:57
Yeah but Norway is also " the last Soviet nation"
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 06:56:32
In the mind of a Swedish investor back in 1997 who was locked out of a telecommunications deal at least.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 06:56:35
Jergul

Quite simply, you're the one living in the bubble. You are insane if you think the party of Pelosi and AOC is anywhere near what you Northern Euros would consider to be far-right.*

And by "Northern European far right," I mean normal center-left.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 06:57:13
The USSR was actually a Federation. So, more like you.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 06:59:10
Does Pelosi profess a belief in God, pray for her political opponents, is personally against abortion and thinks the US should be the dominant military power in Europe?

That is to the right of our far right.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 07:00:35
There are countries that mirror your political scale. Russia and Hungary to name two.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 07:13:01
Its telling that you think theism is at all relevant to political ideology.

Democrats are now unquestionsbly on the side of near-unlimited abortion rights, so I don't know how you think you have an argument there.

The military stuff is irrelevant as European countries are not superpowers and therefore lack the comparable politics relating to superpower status.

The Soviet constitutions werent worth thr paper that they were printed on and Russia always dominated the other fourteen, so that's another dishonest comparison.

Bubble confirmed.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 07:22:02
Ruggy
You are slipping.

The USSR was a Federation that demonstrated that there are ways to resolve the irreconcilable differences plague your Union.

That you do not find far right positions to be relevant is of course a function of the bubble you live in.

Look at it this way. If you think the Democrats are bad, remember that your allies are far worse.

Trump reaches out to strongmen for a reason you know. Ultra right reaches out to ultra right.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 07:27:30
Being (nominally) Christian does not make one far right. You may as well argue that consuming dairy makes you a fascist.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 07:41:46
That religion is relevant to electibility makes it far right.

You might as well argue that being a member of the Nazi party does not make you a Nazi.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 07:45:50
O members of Congress have confirmed they are atheist. Huffman came closest by stating he is a humanist on a spiritual path.

Such are the bubbles and filters you surround yourself with.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 07:52:40
Part of your troubles probably rest there. Your politicians have to be liars, hypocrites or sanctimonious shits to be electable.

The only exception being those that profess to judaism. At least there its not about belief, its about observing laws. So no lying or hypocracy is required.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 07:53:27
You're hilariously stupid if you think Pelosi needs to be Christian to win CA-12.

And I'm not going to even bother explaining how blue state American Christian institutions are decidedly leftwing on most issues not relating to abortion and family.

Your whole premise here is frankly completely deranged. Bubble reaffirmed.

Also, since you're materially misrepresenting pretty much every "fact" that you've given here, thorough citations will be required for any further posts. Thank you.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 07:57:23
Ruggy
I think any new politician needs the support of the DNC to get elected - and they are not going to support an atheist.

Filters and bubbles. Your a pretty much a goldfish in a bowl.

You spend your time wanking off to the wording of some 18th century dudes and cannot possibly grasp that your system is weighted heavily to the right?

ROFL

Lets see. Will I be able to post without providing citations...

*drumroll*
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 07:57:39
I could. What a fucking miracle!
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 08:00:57
"I think any new politician needs the support of the DNC to get elected - and they are not going to support an atheist."

[Citation needed]
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 08:05:12
Bubbleboy
Nope! No citations for you!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu May 14 09:15:38
There is a point here. You could have been a member of the Nazi party without holding any of the beliefs, because to get anywhere you needed to pass the basic loyalty check. A nominal nazi :)

Likewise in the USA every president has to, atleast nominally, profess a belief in god to get elected. Religion and at the very least respect and reverence for religion, even if you are not religious, is more common among the right than the left. The fact that there is no real left wing, well until fairly recently, in the USA has something to do with the US culture and system incorporating religion into politics. This is also a fairly recent thing from what I understand, 50-60’s. On the other hand, over the same time period you see the exact opposite in Europe, less religion in politics.

So I would say even nominally religious people are more common on the right. I think most surveys show that there is a democrat vs republican divide on religion and it’s impact and influence on society.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 09:27:13
Religion plays a smaller role.in politics than non Americans seem to think.

Also, it would be taboo for example to a " Christian Democrat" party in the US as as seperation of Church and state is a near sacred issue
Here.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 10:17:48
Habebe
Its a qualifier. In practical terms the same one they have in Iran.

Like I said, it gives you for types of people in politics:

1. Hypocrites
2. Liars
3. Sanctimonious shits
4. Observing and non-observing followers of Judaism

hood
Member
Thu May 14 10:25:02
"Religion plays a smaller role.in politics than non Americans seem to think."

No, you're just willfully ignorant. The entire republican party is a cater to religious christians. Democrats with any pull are also religious, at least publicly. It may not be a requirement, but it's sure as hell a stigma if you aren't religious.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 10:34:30
Hood
I was not trying to go with a waaah Israel dogwhistle there.

Judaism is elegant in sense that faith is not required. Observance is.

Lots of Rabbi jokes rotate around the distinction between the two.

But it does mean that people of Jewish descent can be decent people and politicians at the same time even.

Everyone else has to deal with the trap outlined in 1-3.

It arguably defines why politics are the way they are.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 10:36:19
Heh, in that sense, non-observing jewish faith is actually code for atheist.

I had not thought of that.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 10:44:28
The Republican party has a sizeable minority of Christians that long ago made an alliance of sorts with conservatives to vote for them and the republican party throws them the bone on abortion

If either of you think Trump is a religious Christian, your retarded.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 10:47:51
Nim

Religion has always played a major part in American politics, but trying to assign it to either the right or left is a complex issue. I think youd have a hard time arguing that the abolitionists of the nineteenth century or the progressives of the early twentieth were right wing (or far right as the fucking liar puts it).

To be sure, there is a strain of rightwing Christian conservatism that currently exists. That was borne out of the 1970s as a reaction to what had been a massive cultural shift to the left in the 60s (Roe v Wade being a particular trigger for counter-action).

Also to be sure, rightwing Christain conservatism has practically zero influence on today's Democrats. The party has spent the last decade or so gradually purging itself of moderate Blue Dog Democrats at the federal level, and currently the progressive wing of the party is fully ascendant. On both social and economic issues, it's the most left wing that it's been in half an century.

Which is not to say that Democrats dont have a following which is (nominally) religious - but that religious following is by no means right wing. Here's a recent Catholic paper's endorsement of Pelosi; you tell me if any of this sounds "far right" to you from a European perspective:

"On almost every other issue [other than abortion] — climate change, universal health care, anti-poverty efforts, gun control — Pelosi has stood four-square for policies also supported by the nation's bishops."

And Pelosi is hardly fringe left within he party - there are plenty of Dem politicians to the left of her, and they have extensive pull right now.

Also, there may not be any (open) atheists in Congress right now but there have been in the past. There have been Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, gays, bisexuals, you name it. So to say that the DNC would never support a nonbeliever candidate for Congress is retarded.

Tl;dr, jergul should probably live in America for a few years before he feels justified in thinking he knows fuck all about this place.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 10:53:11
Habebe
I would guess that more than 85% of registered Republicans are Christian of one denomination or another.

Do you think that is a fair estimate?

Ruggy
What % of Democrats are black and what % of blacks are Christian?

Tl;dr Ruggy should live outside of the US for a few years before he feels justified in thinking he knows fuck all about how the US compares to other countries.

Everyone outside the US is saturated with news from there 24/7. We have a pretty good idea.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 10:54:05
What % of blacks are democrats*
hood
Member
Thu May 14 10:55:42
Jergul, I wasn't responding to you or your Jewish comments. What prompted you to go into any sort of detail?


@habebe
Actually? Clearly not. Trump is closer to satanism than christianity. But clearly you haven't listened to just how much Trump likes to call himself religious, or to the people who believe it and latch onto it hard. Further, the Republican party is not minority christian. It might be minority evangelical, but it is most definitely a large majority christian. This isn't disputable:

http://www...scape-study/party-affiliation/

Note that Republicans are nearly 75% CERTAIN in belief of god. If you include fairly certain, they're pushing 85-90%. Considering the US is 70% christian (another poll, same site), you're looking at 50% of the Republican party certain of the christian god and 70% certain/fairly certain of the christian god. And that's if we assume even splits (which aren't true). Even the Democrats are heavily religious.

So, you're fucking stupid.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 10:56:35
Jergul

And therein lies your problem. You think watching CNN is a good substitute for actually living in the culture.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 10:57:42
Hood
It just struck me that it could have sounded like a dogwhistle. So I clarified. In details so para would not mistake it for a dogwhistle.

I could have put his tag their too I suppose.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 10:57:58
Jergul

Since Democrats are "far right" and most black Americans are Democrats...ooh I download where this is going.

Do you even realize how badly you shot yourself in the foot here?
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 10:58:18
Jergul, In name only. According to the census in Lutheran and havr been for years.

Europe literally has a Christian party in many nations that is fairly prominent in non-fly over nations such as Germany.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 10:58:32
Download = do like...somehow
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:01:55
Ruggy
Your problem is you think you know anything at all about other countries.

Remember that your panties are in a bunch about my saying US politics are on the right side of the political discourse in most Western European countries.

I follow stuff pretty closely you know. And rely heavily on polls. The only thing the average american despises more than a socialist is an atheist.

You guys are just so incredibly medeval.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 11:07:01
Hood, I celebrate Christmas. People use the term Christian almost like an ethnicity in this country " I think we're Methodist"

Trump wants the evangelical voting bloc, its a sizeable one and they vote in droves.We do agree that he is Christian in name only, like.most Americans.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:07:51
Jergul

Clearly I know more than you. Also unlike you I actually cite things. As far as I'm concerned, you just make up your bullshit on the spot since you can never seem to provide backup for it.

You find the fact that a lot of Americans believe in a diety and say things like "God bless America" to be weird. Fines whatever. That does NOT equate to right wing political ideology.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 11:08:28
"And rely heavily on poles"

I think that is what you meant.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:08:29
Far right does not mean KKK in Europe ruggy. One of our right wing parties has a first generation pakistani with a criminal record from his youth as a cabinet minister.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:10:27
Oh no

Jergul thinks the GOP has no minority politicians

LMAO
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 11:12:48
http://www...s-dont-see-trump-as-religious/

Hood , America and I agree on something.

Most people don't think Trump is Christian ( other than in name)
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:13:10
Ruggy
Is that what I said? You cannot even cite posts in this thread correctly.

The GOP has always been good at tokenism.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:13:54
Let's have the people decide this one. Here's a random conservative political party. Take a look at their platform and tell us how the Democrats are on equal ideological footing to this:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_People%27s_Party

I'll wait.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:14:49
habebe
Trump is remarkable as qualifying on all 1-3

1. Liar
2. Hypocrite
3. Sanctimonious shit

Too bad Judaism does not pass upwards through the daughter. He would have made 4. too.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:14:54
Yes, governor of Louisiana is definitely a token position. You fucking retard.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 11:15:09
Rugian/Jergul, Even here in the " deep South" Nikki Haley ( a woman of color) was elected on the Republican ticket as Governor, and went on to worknin the Trump administration while still being popular here btw.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:17:48
Yeah Habebe, jergul's being an idiot.


What generation is Marco Rubio? Second? I guess second generation Cuban-American isn't as good as first generation Paki on the identity politics scale, but it's a start.

jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:18:50
Ruggy
Again, not what I said. Try to cite posts in this thread correctly if you possibly could, mkay?

Habebe
Why is this suddenly turning into something about race?
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:19:45
Because you brought up the Paki you fucking moron.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:20:23
Ruggy
I get it. You are upset because I am placing you somewhere on the spectrum you would prefer not to be.

Why not flip it and realise that all your allies are far worse than the democratic party?
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:21:56
I was dealing with your the democratic party cannot be conservative because black people vote for it.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:22:58
I am well aware that I am lucky to live in America which at least has some value for individual fredoms and liberties, unlike your shithole of a continent.

That said, Democrats are by and large opposed to those things. Being the leftwing party that they are.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 14 11:23:38
Jergul, To add to Rugians post you also brought up

"Far right does not mean KKK in Europe"

and implied that GOP minorities were mostly tokens.

Mind you the GOP is far more diverse than any major Norweigan political party.You guys must all be Nazis.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:27:44
How many black Norwegians have served as prime minister? Your fucking racist far right dipshit of a country sucks at practicing what it preaches.
jergul
large member
Thu May 14 11:28:41
Also in response to ruggy suggesting a right wing parties do not accept minorities.

Is the GOP far more diverse than any major Norwegian party? That sounds like a claim you pulled out of the diversity of your ass.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:29:20
How much of the sovereign wealth fund are you giving away to poor people around the world? Oh right, none.

Ironically, a Christian government would be far more likely to distribute that money to the needy. Doesnt matter to jergul though, owning a Bible automatically makes you far right. Rofl
Rugian
Member
Thu May 14 11:29:48
Jergul demanding citations from anyone. Lmao
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