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Average Ameriacn
Member
Tue May 19 09:08:48
Can't expect cooperation from a Chines iphone. But if built here we could use our standards and make it compatible with the FBI.

http://www...still-not-happy-apple-n1209506

After months of claiming that Apple's privacy protections had stalled its investigation, the Justice Department said Monday that it had accessed a terrorism suspect's iPhone with no help from the company.

In a news conference Monday, Attorney General William Barr said Mohammed Alshamrani, the Saudi air force officer accused of killing three classmates and wounding eight other people at Naval Air Station Pensacola, Florida, on Dec. 6, was affiliated with al Qaeda. During the attack, Alshamrani shot one of his two iPhones, which the FBI wanted to examine for possible ties to terrorist groups, authorities said. Apple has consistently held a position that it won't re-engineer its phones for law enforcement.

"Apple's decision has dangerous consequences for public safety and national security and is, in my judgment, unacceptable," Barr said Monday.

The announcement echoed previous standoffs between Apple and the Justice Department that have all ended the same way — with law enforcement finding its own way in to unlock a phone despite claiming it needed Apple's help.

Barr had used the case to renew a decades-old tug-of-war between the justice system and the tech industry over whether private companies should be able to provide encrypted methods of communication so secure that even the companies that make the hardware and the software can't access it.



The Children
Member
Tue May 19 10:41:45
when will u idiots get it.

u cant built shit!

google tried and lost 7 bill for just 9 months.

kargen
Member
Tue May 19 10:51:12
I am all for the iPhones being manufactured in the USA but fuck putting in a back door so the government can spy on us.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue May 19 11:11:10
What a fucking moron. Should security companies build a lock that they themselves can’t pick? Yes you idiot.
Paramount
Member
Tue May 19 11:40:35
This news article is just a trick. Do you really think that Apple will tell you that they give back door access to the US government? Of course not. So they release this article which says US government has access, but Apple is innocent.

They have this Patriot Act in the US where companies such as Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon etc has to cooperate with the government and give access if the government asks for it. This is what happened here. The US government spies on everyone and steals your data.
kargen
Member
Tue May 19 11:53:30
Nah if the government had cooperation from the companies they would have just grabbed the data and we the people would have never known they even had the phone. They are trying to use fear to sway the general public into believing access and cooperation needs to be provided. For now it has failed.
The Children
Member
Tue May 19 12:29:23
EXACTLY! patriot act is LAW.

F all u idiots. u live in a country that spies on everything.

it makes STASI germany look like a small kitten.

but meanwhile they blame china on everything.

no no no...the worst offender is definitely ur own country. look at what happened to snowden, assange, epstein, mannin and others.
kargen
Member
Tue May 19 14:23:38
You don't have a clue what the Patriot Act is.

That aside China uses surveillance cameras to put jaywalkers on a no fly list. Credit where credit is due. THey have taken spying on their own citizens to a whole new level.
Paramount
Member
Tue May 19 14:37:21
AI surveillance is coming to America. The USA is not going to let China be the leader of this.

Also, why do you think American tech companies such as Apple introduced fingerprint locks, face recognition, and such, and why do you think Google et al requires you to give them your real name, your phone number etc and so on, and urges you to take and upload pictures of your face as ”profile picture”? That’s right, they are collecting all this for AI. The more data they have the better. And soon they will introduce AI surveillance cameras all over the US.
Dakyron
Member
Tue May 19 16:17:01
If a bunch of random horny dudes managed to hack iCloud, I doubt professionals with access to supercomputers couldnt unlock a single iPhone.

This is about being to unlock any iPhone they want at any time with minimal reasoning, not about being unable to hack a single super important phone.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue May 19 18:23:09
No one ”hacked” iCloud by breaking the encyption, but through phishing login credentials.
Dakyron
Member
Tue May 19 23:52:26
Doesnt matter how they did it, they got through.

Habebe
Member
Wed May 20 00:39:37
Well, It is important though HOW it was hacked. Phishing is generally sending someone a bootleg login page so they send the hacker there credentials ... BEEF has a pretty good program for this. While not too technical its rather successful.

My point is if the users give out there credentials its sort of hard to stop that. Best bet would probably be requiring a phone call verifying with the user when a new device is used.

You can get around that depending on how they track the device, often its the MAC address which can be easily spoofed.

Nothing is full proof.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed May 20 01:08:22
Dakyron
Actually it matter alot, since we are talking about providing a backdoor, i.e the encryption is pretty good and as long as you are careful with your credentials the risk of someone breaking in close to zero. It’s the difference between a shitty lock and key that is picked and giving the key to the thief.
hood
Member
Wed May 20 02:57:17
"Doesnt matter how they did it, they got through."

You're really stupid. Saying someone "hacked" Apple security because they already knew the correct password is absolute nonsense.


"I doubt professionals with access to supercomputers couldnt unlock a single iPhone."

But see, that's the thing. The reason this is newsworthy is because of just how difficult it is for those professionals to actually go the long way, instead of the short way.
Forwyn
Member
Wed May 20 03:23:43
Brute-forcing is defeated through simple measures. Phishing is a generally superior method if viable, which is not the case with a dead/uncooperative terrorist.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed May 20 03:59:09
It in their interest to say they managed to break it. They have done this before, asked for Apples help and then when Apple told them to fuck off, they somehow managed to unlock it. If that is true and exactly how they did it, we never get to know.
Dakyron
Member
Wed May 20 11:22:06
"Actually it matter alot, since we are talking about providing a backdoor, i.e the encryption is pretty good and as long as you are careful with your credentials the risk of someone breaking in close to zero. It’s the difference between a shitty lock and key that is picked and giving the key to the thief. "


Security is as strong as the weakest link. In your example it would be having the best lock in the world on your door, but then leaving a window open on the side of the house.
Habebe
Member
Wed May 20 11:37:04
Well, If your refering to phishing a more accurate example would be having the worlds best lock but giving the key to the guy who said he worked for the lock company but didn't and than he broke into your house with the key.

He never picked the lock nor do I d an open window
Habebe
Member
Wed May 20 11:37:49
He never picked the lock, nor did he find an open window he tricked the owner into handing him the keys.
Habebe
Member
Wed May 20 11:43:39
The thing is that many people who don't grasp how basic hacking works think that some super computer is the answer.

When the reality is most hacking applications can be done better with simple computers and more critical thinking.
The Children
Member
Wed May 20 11:44:16
u cant even tie ur own shoelaces, kid. who the F r u kiddin. buildin phones LOLOLOL


Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed May 20 14:12:27
Dakyron
That’s fine, a holistic approach to security entails more than encyption, that does not change the fact that encryption and login credentials are different things. Which bringa us back to, encryption was not broken on iCloud by super computers let alone some horny guys. The way _some_ people mishandle their login credentials does not negate the value of solid encryption. As per your example it would be retarded to have the best lock on your front door and then leave windows open. Just don’t be retarded and it will be fine.
Daemon
Member
Wed May 20 14:19:57
Side note: data on iCloud is not fully encrypted as Apple has the keys to it. Apple has given the FBI access to iCloud data many times in the past.
iPhones on the other hand are encrypted in a way that currently not even Apple can unlock the data for the FBI.

http://www...mplained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT
Dakyron
Member
Wed May 20 14:36:28
"Dakyron
That’s fine, a holistic approach to security entails more than encyption, that does not change the fact that encryption and login credentials are different things. Which bringa us back to, encryption was not broken on iCloud by super computers let alone some horny guys. The way _some_ people mishandle their login credentials does not negate the value of solid encryption. As per your example it would be retarded to have the best lock on your front door and then leave windows open. Just don’t be retarded and it will be fine. "

I'll concede the horny guys did not hack iCloud, but instead used other methods often synonymous with hacking in general public usage.

Regardless, I'm sure the NSA can hack into one phone if they really want to.
hood
Member
Thu May 21 01:00:45
"Regardless, I'm sure the NSA can hack into one phone if they really want to."

Except they can't. The first time this came up they had to contract out to an Israeli firm and it took many months.

Obviously, part of it is theatrics and an attempt to get legal precedent and backdoors. But another part is that Apple makes it extremely tedious and difficult to hack their phones.
The Children
Member
Thu May 21 01:06:39
they can and apple even helps them.

but all that is off the books. the media will report
how ur government enlisted the help of "rogue hackers" who hackes and unlocks the phones...

when in reality, it was always apple engineers...

gtfo u gullible idiots
jergul
large member
Thu May 21 01:18:30
Several months is actually fine if part of an ongoing criminal investigation. So what if it takes investment to secure evidence? Its sort of the name of the game in the field.

In Norway, the police are allowed to use force to secure biometric access (force a suspects thumb down on the pad).
hood
Member
Thu May 21 01:20:42
Biometric access is not protected in the US either, just as getting a DNA sample isn't.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu May 21 03:44:21
And now with facial recog, you don’t even have to force down a thumb anymore...
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu May 21 03:45:13
I guess you would have to force open the eyes, because they won’t unlock otherwise.
Dakyron
Member
Thu May 21 16:15:19
"Except they can't. The first time this came up they had to contract out to an Israeli firm and it took many months.

Obviously, part of it is theatrics and an attempt to get legal precedent and backdoors. But another part is that Apple makes it extremely tedious and difficult to hack their phones. "

Don't be naive. There is no reason they would make that information public, even to the FBI.
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