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Paramount
Member
Thu May 21 17:36:51
Maybe it was Putin who told Trump to end it? Also, if Trump is breaking the law, why hasn’t he been arrested?

Can you as a citizen make a ’citizens arrest’ on the president? Or is the president immune?



“The Administration’s decision to withdraw the United States from the Open Skies Treaty is a slap in the face to our allies in Europe, leaves our deployed forces in the region at risk, and is in blatant violation of the law," said Representative Adam Smith (D-Wash.), the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. "This decision weakens our national security interests, isolates the United States since the Treaty will continue without us, and abandons a useful tool to hold Russia accountable."

“What’s more, this decision has been made without any consultation with Congress," Smith added, pointing out that the fiscal 2020 National Defense Authorization Act requires a minimum of 120 days' notice of withdrawal.

House Foreign Affairs Chairman Eliot Engel also accused Trump of "knowingly breaking the law."

"President Trump and his appointees have again shown disdain for arms control, lack of respect for Congress and its Constitutional authority, and disregard for the rule of law," said Engel in a statement.

The decision was also seen by other lawmakers as a betrayal of U.S. allies who depend on the treaty and fueled new fears Trump could also let the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia expire early next year.

“The dangerous and misguided decision to abandon this international agreement cripples our ability to conduct aerial surveillance of Russia, while allowing Russian reconnaissance flights over U.S. bases in Europe to continue," said Senator Jeanne Shaheen, a New Hampshire Democrat and member of the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees.

"The administration’s decision to withdraw from the Open Skies Treaty — and the uncertainty surrounding its commitment to New START — is very alarming. It betrays the transatlantic alliance," she added.

http://www...-open-skies-surveillance-pact/
Paramount
Member
Thu May 21 17:41:38
” The dangerous and misguided decision to abandon this international agreement cripples our ability to conduct aerial surveillance of Russia, while allowing Russian reconnaissance flights over U.S. bases in Europe to continue,”


lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n22Uy-qFPw
Paramount
Member
Fri May 22 02:58:15
Russia: KAAAALINKA KALINKA KALINKA MOYA! KAAAALINKA KALINKA KALINKA MOYA!

USA: Drink bleach guys. What ya got to lose?

Rugian: Trump 2020

Me: lol
Seb
Member
Fri May 22 04:52:16
Fucks sakes.

I see the thinking. Let's make Europeans more dependent on us by making it harder for them to see Russian troop movements.

It will do the reverse and continue to make Europe think America is an untrustworthy partner, and seek accommodation with Russia instead.



Habebe
Member
Fri May 22 05:02:30
Seb, Russia broke the agreement.Also we didn't back out, we have so far threatened to back out in 6 months if we can't renegotiate a new treaty.

The US would also like to add China to the treaty.

All of these actions are in accordance with the current treaty.
Habebe
Member
Fri May 22 05:03:52
Most of Trumps " omg" moments are him negotiating.

Since people know he is willing to go through with his negotiation threats they can be effective.
jergul
large member
Fri May 22 06:15:50
Seb
Why? Is the UK planning on withdrawing too? In practical terms, Nato loses 1/3rd of its overflight rights due to the US withdrawal.

Habebe
It is of no practical conscequence unless Russia and Belarus also withdraw, and of marginal practical conscequence if they do withdraw.

Russia can troll the US along the seaboards and Canadian frontier anyway.

Profilation of high resolution satelites across a wide array of spectrums have rendered the treaty to a symbol of good intentions more than anything else.
McKobb
Member
Fri May 22 06:18:25
Satellites will be the first casualty of a global war.
jergul
large member
Fri May 22 06:21:10
Unarmed surveilance aircraft flying announced flightpaths over what suddenly became hostile territory would be the first casualties.

The aggreement has absolutely nothing to do with a live conflict.
Habebe
Member
Fri May 22 06:21:15
Jergul, The whole point is to renegotiate a new modern treaty.
jergul
large member
Fri May 22 06:23:00
Habebe
The whole point is to do something, anything, because as it stands, Trump will lose the November election.

So he is flailing with all kinds of crazy ideas.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri May 22 09:14:50
"Russia broke the agreement."

nopes.
Rugian
Member
Fri May 22 09:17:56
Swordtail

Nice to see that you're just straight up lying now.
Rugian
Member
Fri May 22 09:21:15
And you trolls and anti-American idiots have really dived off the deep end here. Russia broke the treaty, so we're out. Simple as that.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri May 22 09:26:42
rugian

I am not you.

Rugian
Member
Fri May 22 09:29:22
swordtail

There were Russian violations. And Russia was behind the polonium poisoning.

Get over it.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri May 22 09:31:08
I've posted about this shit before.
debunking the lies you patriots and trumpskyites have been pushing.
Habebe
Member
Fri May 22 09:31:14
Realistically with out China involved, its an outdated treaty.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri May 22 09:32:18
Rugian

nothing for me to get over.
keep drinking the bleach.
Rugian
Member
Fri May 22 09:32:22
"Administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the decision followed a six-month review that found multiple instances of Russian refusal to comply with the treaty.

They cited a years-long effort by Russia to violate the terms, such as by restricting US overflights of Russian neighbour Georgia and its military enclave in Kaliningrad.

In addition, they said Russia has been using its own overflights of American and European territory to identify critical US infrastructure for potential attack in a time of war.

"During the course of this review it has become abundantly clear that it is no longer in America's interests to remain a party to the Open Skies treaty," said one of the officials."

http://www...old-open-skies-treaty/12274682

Whoops. Swordtail, just give up.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri May 22 09:33:54
hey rugian,double up on the bleach.

http://twitter.com/steffanwatkins/status/1206292620349235201
Rugian
Member
Fri May 22 09:38:51
Swordtail

Are you actually braindead? That video AGREES with what I'm posting. ROFL!
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri May 22 09:41:27
rugian

yeah rofl.
careful there as you keep sipping your bleach.
Rugian
Member
Fri May 22 09:43:30
^has nothing, so reduced to repeating bleach jokes

I hope Putin isn't paying you too much here, this is shoddy work bro.
Paramount
Member
Fri May 22 10:05:59
” Administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said ”

Administration officials? Sorry. I don’t think they are trustworthy.

Also, anonymous source. Mr Trump says that anonymous sources is fake news.

How do you want your bleach?


What is your opinion on that the US is betraying its allies by leaving the treaty, and on that Russia can continue to do reconnaissance flights over US bases in Europe but the US will no longer be able to fly over Russia?
Habebe
Member
Fri May 22 10:15:28
Russia just got thereasses handed to them by Turkey...hahaha
jergul
large member
Fri May 22 10:39:35
Ruggy
What is with you and objectivity? Who cares if Russia has broken "the deal" or not?

Trump says it has and that is the factual reality.

Para
Stop making such a big deal about this. Nato has lost 1/3rd of its overflight rights. That is the sum of conscequences so far for the US withdrawal.

It does not matter that the US is slowly isolating itself in this particular case.

Habebe
What are you on about?
jergul
large member
Fri May 22 10:41:19
Oh I see. Its like when Yemen pwns the USA.
Habebe
Member
Fri May 22 10:59:52
Yeah, same deal. I have another thread started on it. Just kinda glad it's non virus news to be honest.
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