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Habebe
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Sun May 24 01:54:38
http://www...ment-in-5g-network/ar-BB14v1DF

To all of you who argued that China wouldnt pay an economic price through negative public opinion....Itodaso I mother fucking Itodaso.

Even the Chinese have internally been predicting a lot more push back in ALL relations in part from there role in this pandemic.

The lawsuits are not going to get anywhere other than to put on a show.But its much tougher to fight public opinion.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sun May 24 02:10:14
Johnson might by worth a trade deal after all.
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 02:13:38
Honestly the UK is one of the few that IMO should get a sweetheart deal. They are worth more strategically to the US.

India btw has seen an opportunity and is jumping at the chance ( as they should) to cater to the needs of nations wanting to lessen there reliance on China.

http://www...ClVro8a5Va1YE7MQf6m5M_amp.html
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 02:39:32
Words of wisdom.

http://youtu.be/L3tnH4FGbd0
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sun May 24 02:42:54
India is a rival of China for many many years. They also buy a lot of our weapons, they are the good guys and Trump supports them:

http://www.forumarmstrade.org/usindia.html

I hope our Indians acknowledge that and vote Trump again.
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 02:45:26
Yeah, I like India.

Actually tensions between China and India have peaked lately too.
Paramount
Member
Sun May 24 03:05:30
It is not India in particular that you like. You like far-right nationalism. And Saudi Barbaria.
Seb
Member
Sun May 24 03:49:48
Habebe:

Remember what I said about journalistic weasel words?

From your article " in the wake of ", "comes amid".

The operative paragraph is:

"The paper also reported Johnson hopes to ramp up trade talks with the United States, which has been one of the most vocal critics of the U.K.'s decision to allow Huawei into its market."

With EU talks now looking set to fail, they need to give something to trump to get a US deal.

Forever, the simple truth is that Huawei tech comprises so much of the existing 4G network that needs to be in place for 5G. We can't actually get rid of Huawei without mobile speeds and coverage dropping. So whatever the words, the reality is it won't happen. They'll create a bullshit metric to let Trump declare victory, keep the Chinese on side as best as possible, and minimise any impact on the consumer.


The Children
Member
Sun May 24 03:50:22
hababy thinks UK did this becoz of corona lmao.

hababy mustve missed the report several weeks back of US threatenin to close and pull all intelligence out of UK.

Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 04:08:56
Seb, "With EU talks now looking set to fail, they need to give something to trump to get a US deal."

And in light of revent events the US/Trump have ramped up our anti China stance.

Answer me this why did the UK also look into becoming less reliant on China for medical.supplies and other strategic goods?

"Conservative backbench MPs have previously rebelled against decisions to involve Huawei in infrastructure.

Although Johnson has a majority of 80, the ranks of backbenchers willing to rebel on the issue is now estimated to be around 50 - enough to defeat the government."

So as I stated before, there are numerous reasons why , but to think that the current climate against China hasnt played a role seems unlikely.

http://www...to-zero-by-2023-091455408.html

As for your Grits thinking that China's word is better than the US's word on international agreements ( from the other thread) Chris Patten is making the rounds dealing a blow to that theory.
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 04:08:57
Seb, "With EU talks now looking set to fail, they need to give something to trump to get a US deal."

And in light of revent events the US/Trump have ramped up our anti China stance.

Answer me this why did the UK also look into becoming less reliant on China for medical.supplies and other strategic goods?

"Conservative backbench MPs have previously rebelled against decisions to involve Huawei in infrastructure.

Although Johnson has a majority of 80, the ranks of backbenchers willing to rebel on the issue is now estimated to be around 50 - enough to defeat the government."

So as I stated before, there are numerous reasons why , but to think that the current climate against China hasnt played a role seems unlikely.

http://www...to-zero-by-2023-091455408.html

As for your Grits thinking that China's word is better than the US's word on international agreements ( from the other thread) Chris Patten is making the rounds dealing a blow to that theory.
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 04:11:22
Grits=Grits.
Paramount
Member
Sun May 24 07:21:20
” US threatenin to close and pull all intelligence out of UK. ”

I think that the UK and others already have stopped sharing the most critical (if not all) intelligence with the US. Anything the UK shares with the Trump admin is ending up in the hands of Russia (and Israel of course. That is a given). Installing a mole on the presidential post in the White House is one of the biggest achievements ever.
Seb
Member
Sun May 24 16:03:58
Habebe:

Looking into reduce dependency on generic medicines isn't really the same as reducing trade generally.

Looking at specific, narrow goods and services is certainly a sensible move.
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 16:58:14
Sen, And also Huawei? I get there is nomone reason but to deny there is a general anti China sentimemt more tham there has been in the last 30 years seems to be blind to the obvious.
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 17:10:38
I would also point out that those specific goods are precisely as a result of the pandemic.
Habebe
Member
Sun May 24 17:39:36
http://www....com/article/amp/idUSKBN22G19C

Even China thinks the global sentiment is a " wave of hostility"
Seb
Member
Mon May 25 02:31:54
Habebe:

You seem to be shifting the goal posts. Or original conversation was around Chinese global power and economic heft.

Your contention was that the global political backlash would significantly impact the economic rise of China. My contention was that it would remain political and have no real economic impact in itself.

Firstly, actually all the UK has done is open another review on 5G, and the stated reason for this is because the US chip ban may result in use of chips with a different architecture invalidating the previous one.

In reality it's about appeasing trump.

Reducing China's sales of generic medicines and PPE equipment to below the threshold where they don't constitute more than half won't even register on trade flows.
Seb
Member
Mon May 25 02:32:25
There was a wave of global hostility to the US over the invasion of Iraq.

Didn't register on trade stats.
Dukhat
Member
Mon May 25 02:43:58
lol, the UK economy is shit. And 5g is a worthless made-up standard just like 4k was. Nobody needs it, its just a bigger number for the sake of a bigger number because companies need to sell products.
Habebe
Member
Mon May 25 04:53:12
Seb, My point was over all hostility towards China amongst other things will lead to a n noticeable economic impact.

The UK and the US are not the only nations trying to shore up supply chains for strategic goods. And just as many poor states are offering to fill that need.

Trump seems to be building an economic based Alliance against China. First stoking the coals, then taking the US political phrase " Never let a crisis go to waste" to heart.

India, Australia and east Asia's other powers are easy and quite relevant powers and rising powers.

Europe is on the fence since they seem dislike both Trump amd to a lesser extent the US as well as China.

Africa probably leans China, and Ive already seen articles from China saying " dislike China? Manufacture in Africa" with strong ties to China, but as far as continents go its a fly over yet.

North America is a given.

SA strongly dislikes China ATM, which is new, plus its politics have been shifting favorably to thes US anyway.


As for the invasion of Iraq, you know as well as I do that " I disapprove of what those guys are doing obere there" is way different from " I dont like what those people have done to us"
Habebe
Member
Mon May 25 04:53:12
Seb, My point was over all hostility towards China amongst other things will lead to a n noticeable economic impact.

The UK and the US are not the only nations trying to shore up supply chains for strategic goods. And just as many poor states are offering to fill that need.

Trump seems to be building an economic based Alliance against China. First stoking the coals, then taking the US political phrase " Never let a crisis go to waste" to heart.

India, Australia and east Asia's other powers are easy and quite relevant powers and rising powers.

Europe is on the fence since they seem dislike both Trump amd to a lesser extent the US as well as China.

Africa probably leans China, and Ive already seen articles from China saying " dislike China? Manufacture in Africa" with strong ties to China, but as far as continents go its a fly over yet.

North America is a given.

SA strongly dislikes China ATM, which is new, plus its politics have been shifting favorably to thes US anyway.


As for the invasion of Iraq, you know as well as I do that " I disapprove of what those guys are doing obere there" is way different from " I dont like what those people have done to us"
Habebe
Member
Mon May 25 04:56:39
That said, I look at it through a hopefuls eyes admittedly.

I also dont think it will stop the rise of China, bit I think it will have a noticable impact, and I hope more so than less.
Seb
Member
Mon May 25 14:38:54
Habebe:

"Seb, My point was over all hostility towards China amongst other things will lead to a n noticeable economic impact."

This is far far short of a noticeable impact on China's economy. We would be looking at a maybe 20% reduction in generic medicines sales to the UK (which are by nature low value product) and the 5G thing won't show up in aggregate figures.

And India so far hasn't been that interested in getting involved as a US proxy over the last 15 years, so I don't see it happening now.


The Children
Member
Mon May 25 14:44:17
uk is being bent over, hababys land of the free home of the brave shills at work again.

Habebe
Member
Mon May 25 15:05:45
Seb, Its not an overnight thing. But I believe the next few years I will be proven right, its no guarantee. Alot can change quickly as we have seen.

India would not be a proxy, but they are welcoming businesses that would like to move supply chains and modi has never been too fond of China.I think the claims of war are media hype but it doesnt make for a friendly relationship.
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