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Paramount
Member
Thu May 28 01:26:09
Human rights are being violated. USA is shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at peaceful protesters who only wants justice and freedom from state-employed killers. The people are not asking for much. They are only asking that the police will stop killing them.

Should there be sanctions on the US until they respect human rights and the will of the peaceful protesters?


Tear gas fired as officers in riot gear clash with Minneapolis protesters over death of George Floyd

Four Minnesota officers were fired after Floyd, a black man, died in custody Monday night. Video showed him pleading "I can't breathe" as an officer pinned him to the ground.

Hundreds of people gathered in Minneapolis on Tuesday night to decry the in-custody death of George Floyd, which led to the firing of four officers.

Emotion and tension ran high as demonstrations became unruly, with windows damaged, graffiti sprayed and a police car vandalized. Officers in riot gear confronted protesters and fired tear gas.

One person was shot in a non-life-threatening incident, said police spokesman John Elder. A suspect fled the scene. It wasn't clear if the violence was related to the protests.

[...]

Protesters filled the intersection where Floyd was detained, carrying banners that read, “I can’t breathe” and “Jail killer KKKops.”

They later marched to a police station where officers in riot gear confronted them and deployed tear gas and fired projectiles. As rain fell, some protesters kicked canisters toward police.

One newspaper reporter said on Twitter he was struck with a projectile. "I Was just shot with this in the thigh," he said.

U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minnesota, decried law enforcement's response to the protests.

"Shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at unarmed protesters when there are children present should never be tolerated," she said on Twitter. "Ever."

http://www...y-death-grow-volatile-n1215231
Habebe
Member
Thu May 28 08:12:27
Absolutely a bad situation all around. Still not AS nad as HK. Definitley a stain on the nation though.
sam adams
Member
Thu May 28 11:05:41
"peaceful protesters"

Lol thats cute.
kargen
Member
Thu May 28 12:09:37
When you start throwing rocks and chunks of pavement ripped up from the street at the police they tend to respond. When I was photographing protests in Denver it didn't take me long to learn if you don't want to get tear gassed stay away from the people throwing shit at the cops.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu May 28 12:12:35
some looting videos
http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9Lrt_1590627602

that first guy is stealing a vacuum cleaner, so that's pretty responsible
Paramount
Member
Thu May 28 12:30:34
But they only want justice and to not be killed by oppressive and racist police. Their human rights are being violated.
patom
Member
Thu May 28 14:29:00
kargen, when you start kneeling on peoples necks in broad daylight with cameras on you telling them to stop resisting and get in the car while you are still kneeling on their neck. People tend to react strangely to these sort of actions.
Makes one wonder why the 4 officers were apparently incapable of lifting the non resisting, handcuffed George Floyd off the ground and placing him in the cruiser.
What was their ulterior motive? What were they trying to demonstrate to the locals or just the general public at large?
patom
Member
Thu May 28 14:30:49
One question, what exactly was George Floyd being arrested for?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu May 28 14:32:25
tried to pay w/ a counterfeit $20 bill
kargen
Member
Thu May 28 14:50:22
patom I learned long long ago two wrongs do not make a right. The policeman with his knee in the neck will get his day in court. If the video does show the story we think it does then I hope he gets to spend a long time behind bars.

You know what the riots are doing? They are taking away from George Floyd. The story is no longer about what happened to him and instead is about the bad actions of the protesters. Bunch of selfish assholes taking advantage of a death to go out and cause mayhem. They should end up in the cell next to the cop but probably not for as long as he should be sitting there.
hood
Member
Thu May 28 14:53:40
"The policeman with his knee in the neck will get his day in court."

Systematic murder isn't solved by "a day in court" unless the entire system is in court.


"You know what the riots are doing? They are taking away from George Floyd."

Enough riots overthrow nations. That's kinda how this country began.
Dakyron
Member
Thu May 28 14:56:47
"Systematic murder isn't solved by "a day in court" unless the entire system is in court. "

If every officer who did something like this is tried and thrown in prison, then it would.

hood
Member
Thu May 28 15:06:47
That still wouldn't catch the next fuckwad in a uniform. The problem is the system itself, not the participants.
sam adams
Member
Thu May 28 15:37:01
The real problem is a certain community commits so much crime they get the short end of the justice stick.

The crime rate must go down if "the system" is going to change.
The Children
Member
Thu May 28 15:41:32
free minneapolis!

5 demands not one less!

kargen
Member
Thu May 28 15:43:23
"Enough riots overthrow nations. That's kinda how this country began."

Well there was a nice little tea party a while back. Bit of a difference though. The tea was thrown in the harbor not stolen for personal gain and the rioters then were willing to face the consequences. Today they tend to think they should just be given a pass because they are ticked off about something.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 28 15:54:16
Paramount

It's called democratic accountability. He police officers involved in the Minneapolis incident have been fired and likely face criminal prosecutions. Minneapolis' political leadership can also be voted out by the public if they are perceived to handle this badly.

HK police, in contrast, got promotions for beating up peaceful protestors (and yes, they were peaceful in the beginning - before the police and pro-Beijing thugs initiated the use of violence). And good luck ejecting Carrie Lam from office, much less the CCP in general.

Why are your comparisons always so gos-awful?
Paramount
Member
Thu May 28 16:31:50
” It's called democratic accountability. He police officers involved in the Minneapolis incident have been fired and likely face criminal prosecutions”

Yeah okay, but free Minneapolis nonetheless. The people of Minneapolis wants to be free and I’m sure that both the EU and China would offer them a better deal if they would be free from The Union.
kargen
Member
Thu May 28 16:34:36
Cool thing is the fine people from Minneapolis are free to head towards the EU (not sure if China would permit them) any time they wish. They can go find that better life.
Rugian
Member
Thu May 28 17:02:36
kargen
Member Thu May 28 16:34:36
Cool thing is the fine people from Minneapolis are free to head towards the EU (not sure if China would permit them) any time they wish. They can go find that better life.

As Hunt for Red October puts it:

"And drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?

Oh yes.

No papers?

No papers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8JW75Lv25k

Guess where you do need papers? That's right, China. Such an all-around disgusting shithole of a country.
Habebe
Member
Thu May 28 17:08:55
Could you imagine the responses if told the protestors to move to China.... Hahahahahahaha
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu May 28 18:31:17
http://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1266136952874696709
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu May 28 19:10:22
http://twitter.com/xidigtv/status/1265927595339722752
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu May 28 21:40:01
they torched Auto Zone last night & NAPA Auto Parts tonight

O'Reilly Auto Parts might be behind this... probably IRA
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu May 28 22:24:29
seems to be going well

police have abandoned the area... the precinct now on fire, to cheers from the crowd
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu May 28 22:26:13
(watching on fake news CNN)
hood
Member
Thu May 28 22:54:40
"Well there was a nice little tea party a while back. Bit of a difference though. The tea was thrown in the harbor not stolen for personal gain and the rioters then were willing to face the consequences. Today they tend to think they should just be given a pass because they are ticked off about something."

Yes, the tea party is what I was referencing. Destruction of property is of little difference than theft; the legal owner is still left without their property. And it's laughable to suggest that they were willing to face the consequences. They literally rioted themselves into a new country.


"The real problem is a certain community commits so much crime they get the short end of the justice stick."

That's retarded and you know it. Unless, of course, you're ready and willing to be culpable for all of the crimes rich white people commit. Surely you want to be held liable any time a company grossly violates the law, yeah? Maybe pay out some of that VW emissions scandal fine? Serve some time when one of your compatriots is actually prosecuted for embezzlement or racketeering or bilking? I'm sure you had some tangential part in Wells Fargo's fraud and identity theft scandal?


Or, tldr, it's fucking stupid to treat everyone in a given group the same. You know this. You've been making progress towards being a more centered, reasonable person. Let go of your racism. Not every black person is a danger. They shouldn't fear being murdered by the police.
Y2A
Member
Thu May 28 23:34:13
They just got into the precinct where the police worked and are burning it down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLuq6maMQI
sam adams
Member
Thu May 28 23:37:07
Importing all those somalis was a great idea huh.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu May 28 23:39:20
the Target on fire now... at least the goods were looted beforehand
Y2A
Member
Thu May 28 23:40:24
somalis have nothing to do with this.
sam adams
Member
Thu May 28 23:42:12
"They shouldn't fear being murdered by the police."


The innocent should not have to deal with this, correct. But when a certain group commits so much crime, controlling them is going to cause collateral damage and you know it.

The real fault lies with the criminals.
The Children
Member
Fri May 29 00:22:12
the free peoples of minneapolis. the black and other colored men

they want 2 become a seperate state they want freedom from there oppressors.


kargen
Member
Fri May 29 00:57:48
"Yes, the tea party is what I was referencing. Destruction of property is of little difference than theft; the legal owner is still left without their property. And it's laughable to suggest that they were willing to face the consequences. They literally rioted themselves into a new country."

and many of them lost property and/or their lives. ya also have to throw in the East India Company they targeted was a part of the British government at that time. The protest was directed at the British Empire. It isn't like they said hey we don't like the United Kingdom taxing us without representation let's go steal all of France's cheese. They protested in a way that affected the cause directly. In contrast stealing a tv from target detracts from the cause completely. They are thugs that are taking advantage of a wrongful death to steal a six pack of beer and burn some shit.
Y2A
Member
Fri May 29 00:59:13
according to the live local news, the police made the decision to abandon the precinct.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri May 29 01:04:00
"
I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right.....

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
"
~ fraud


..this was after it was announced the governor had ordered up Nat'l Guard to St Paul & Minneapolis... but lil boy fraud wants credit

plus he really wants the Nat'l Guard to shoot people, but probably will fail again just like at border
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri May 29 01:12:20
"
As Thursday turns to Friday, our officers continue to work shoulder-to-shoulder with local, state, federal and fire partners to protect St. Paul.

More than 170 businesses damaged or looted. Dozens of fires. Thankfully, no reports of serious injuries. Calm on the horizon.
"
~ Saint Paul Police Department

not sure if that's about all of Minnesota or just St Paul... Minneapolis seemed like worse than St Paul but maybe not
Y2A
Member
Fri May 29 01:14:36
7 shot during a Louisville protest
Y2A
Member
Fri May 29 01:31:31
video of the shooting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLbix2LVuk
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri May 29 01:42:13
i have noticed St Paul is a suburb of Minneapolis :p ... i thought it was a separate city (they had separate crews saying at 'St Paul' & 'Minneapolis' respectively)

so the 170+ buildings probably for the greater area
Y2A
Member
Fri May 29 01:46:40
it is a separate city, it is one of the "twin" cities. never been anywhere near there, don't know much about it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri May 29 02:24:16
if you can drive from one to the other w/o seeing nature it's the same place in my book

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Trump got another Twitter flag:
"
This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about glorifying violence. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain accessible. Learn more
"

you can still see it but have to click (it's on his shooting looters tweet above)
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri May 29 04:09:31
I think hood pretty much covered why it is a retarded idea to hold groups responsible. It is the other end of retardation from collective rights based on skin color. Of course if you are going to have group rights, rights can only be balanced by responsibility. It is a bad idea in the long term.

"The real problem is a certain community commits so much crime they get the short end of the justice stick."

But also, these groups that are committing all these crimes, some obscene portion (drug related) SHOULDN'T BE A CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE.
patom
Member
Fri May 29 04:38:52
The police in Minneapolis must know that they are sitting on a powder keg with a primed fuse. By allowing these cops to pull stunts like this, they must have known that it would light the fuse.

In this instance it seems like they lit a bigger keg of dynamite than they were prepared to handle.
patom
Member
Fri May 29 04:44:03
kargen
"Two wrongs don't make a right"
"The policeman with his knee in the neck will get his day in court. If the video does show the story we think it does then I hope he gets to spend a long time behind bars."

I guess Mr. Floyd will never get his day in court for trying to buy something with a bogus $20. He begged them to allow him to get in the cruiser. but apparently he couldn't over come the laws of physics.
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri May 29 06:46:10
Catching up..
First, the video of George Floyd'd murder is fucking enraging:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sSeWL_1590561430
..and for a number of reasons:
- Derek Chauvin (the murderer), of course, just hanging out (settling in) on top of Floyd's neck, seemingly well-aware of what he's doing, with a kind of "This is what you get for resisting" air about him.
- Tou Thao, the back-up officer, going 100% thin blue line, not bothering to realize that in fact a murder was in progress and that the goal of subduing a suspect had been well-accomplished and thus the officers could and should now move to completing a safe arrest (at the very *least* this should have happened once Floyd became unresponsive, but *four* minutes pass between the moment Floyd stops moving altogether (at 4:00 in the video) and when Chauvin removes his knee from Floyd's neck (at 7:55 in the video))
- the bystanders failing to act. I don't blame them for this because they probably do not even know how they *could* have acted, but watching it while knowing how a capable person could have and should have stopped the officers.. it's frustrating. Even something futile — like a drop-kick to Chauvin's chest — could have saved Floyd, but all those bystanders stood helpless. They simply did not *know* how they could help.

At the same time, it was at least nice that bystanders had the situational presence to attempt to advocate for Floyd and to say things including, "You just really killed that man ... You're such a 'man', you're about to have dreams at night. You're gonna fuck around and shoot yourself — that's what you're gonna do. That man's gonna haunt you for the rest of your life."

..
@swordtail link:
http://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1266136952874696709
"NEW: Minnesota prosecutor says video showing George Floyd's death is "terrible" but says there's "other evidence that does not support a criminal charge""

Many people in the Twitter comments at that link seem not to understand the legal side that the prosecution is facing or the point he was making. He didn't just placidly or flippantly say, "[Sure, terrible or whatever]," he *actually* said, "That video is graphic and horrific and terrible and NO person should do that." He was angry, and he wants to fuck up these police officers. And his further meaning: the *facts* that the prosecution must deal with include Floyd's clear intoxication, his resisting arrest (Floyd had to be forcibly removed from his vehicle by three officers, and then he used force to prevent officers from placing him inside of a squad vehicle, which is why he ended up on the ground), and video evidence showing just that:

Floyd resisting removal from his vehicle:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CLnYQ_1590636570

Surveillance video showing the same resistance and also including Floyd's demeanor, which is clearly intoxicated:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sgIE2_1590595777

Idiots on Twitter may feel that it's somehow unjust to even mention these facts (obvious idiot respones: "Being a bad person doesn't mean they get to kill him!" ), but those facts have to shape the way the prosecution goes after the officers. Prosecution has to know that a toxicology report will very likely show that Floyd was drunk and possibly high (And not even weed high — I would suspect meth or something hard). They know that Floyd was a criminal and that the officers behaved appropriately — ** to a *point* **. So he has to build a case showing that once Floyd was subdued that the officers failed to complete the arrest safely and appropriately. He can't just say, "They killed him! Isn't this fucked up!" He has to go into the the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics and into actual legal procedure to demonstrate where the officers failed, and he has to do that while Floyd's very real flaws and legal history make him a very unattractive person to defend. That's the reality.


..

[hood]: "Systematic murder isn't solved by "a day in court" unless the entire system is in court."
[Dakyron]: "If every officer who did something like this is tried and thrown in prison, then it would."

Exactly.

[hood]: "Enough riots overthrow nations. That's kinda how this country began."
[hood]: "Destruction of property is of little difference than theft; the legal owner is still left without their property."

[kargen]: "They protested in a way that affected the cause directly. In contrast stealing a tv from target detracts from the cause completely. "
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri May 29 07:08:09
Oops, so many missed keys on this new keyboard. I managed to hit "tab" and "enter" while typing "responses" before finishing that comment. I was still working on sections after "Idiots on Twitter", so.. picking up from there...

..
Idiots on Twitter may feel that it's somehow unjust to even mention these facts (obvious idiot responses: "Being a bad person doesn't mean they get to kill him!" — yeah, no shit; keep multiple ideas in your head at once), but those facts have to shape the way the prosecution goes after the officers. Prosecution has to know that a toxicology report will very likely show that Floyd was drunk and possibly high (And not even weed high — I would suspect meth or something hard). They know that Floyd was a criminal and that the officers behaved appropriately — ** to a *point* **. So he has to build a case showing that once Floyd was subdued that the officers failed to complete the arrest safely and appropriately. He can't just say, "They killed him! Isn't this fucked up!" He has to go into the the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics and into actual legal procedure to demonstrate where the officers failed, and he has to do that while Floyd's very real flaws and legal history make him a very unattractive person to defend. That's the reality.

..

[hood]: "Systematic murder isn't solved by "a day in court" unless the entire system is in court."
[Dakyron]: "If every officer who did something like this is tried and thrown in prison, then it would."

Exactly. The first step would be strong prosecution of police in the courts. "Thin Blue Line" has to stop, and this can be done by empowering prosecutors in the courtroom.

..
[hood]: "Enough riots overthrow nations. That's kinda how this country began."
[hood]: "Destruction of property is of little difference than theft; the legal owner is still left without their property."
[kargen]: "They protested in a way that affected the cause directly. In contrast stealing a tv from target detracts from the cause completely."

Exactly. The difference between this sort of rioting and the Tea Party and early U.S. revolutionaries is absurdly immense. I posted this Nietzschean explanation on an Imgur post: "Dis-empowered groups experiencing «ressentiment» may not even *know* how to fix their situation while working within society's existing values. This leaves them reactive and ideologically inarticulate. Without education/guidance, they repeat the same errors ad nauseam and may even create an alternate value system which further deprives them of self-improvement."

In that is the reason that it's absurd to think that this kind of rioting is "revolutionary". The only glint of logic was burning down the police station; rioting and looting was not logical. Their major problem is that they do not know *how* to revolt successfully. The founding revolutionaries, on the other hand, were intensely aware — not just on a “spiritual” level (“I’m angry at injustice!”) but a practical and logistical level — of how to overthrow a government. They were well-educated statesmen, they had access to armed militias which they had the capital to fund, they had political power to purchase war materials and to borrow from other nations — they had a thousand advantages that looters (who, en masse, likely *barely* finished high school, have not even finished high school, or even more likely: have no college prospects) lack to a staggering degree. All looters have is short-sighted violence, which, spectacular it may be, does not even have the basic weaponry to make any kind of sustained impact. That leaves them with more ressentiment and with bad conscience — lots of anger at the way things appear to them but no mind, no education, and no will to effect the changes they desire.
hood
Member
Fri May 29 07:18:19
"That leaves them with more resentment and with bad conscience — lots of anger at the way things appear to them but no mind, no education, and no will to effect the changes they desire."

I get this, and I do get that the looting riots are largely ineffective forms of protest for enacting change. But, as you rightly opined, it's unlikely that anyone participating in these riots actually understands how to properly riot to inspire change. Recognizing this lack of awareness, I find it more difficult to be callously critical of the looting. Yeah, it's dumb; yeah, it hurts the cause. But I understand why it's happening.

And while enough of these aimless rage fest riots may not overthrow nations, state sanctioned murder has gotten to the point where those who might understand how to form a proper resistance are starting to take real notice. My flippant point was that one shouldn't just casually dismiss the clear expression of anger represented in these riots.
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri May 29 07:54:33
"My flippant point was that one shouldn't just casually dismiss the clear expression of anger represented in these riots."

That's fair, and I agree. Like I said, the Floyd murder video was fucking enraging to me. If I were poorly educated, I'd probably be in the streets aimlessly looking for trouble too. Unfortunately, the U.S. education system can be faulted here for not giving more mental clarity to otherwise *would-be* rioters.

And yeah, people need to take note: where there exists ressentiment, problems exist that need to be addressed. Intelligent people in government power at the very least need to look at police training and recruiting reforms; departments need to be spending money on personnel more so than equipment — that would decrease the amount of lunatic police on power trips. And like Nim sort of brought up: the "War on Drugs" needs to end. If officers had seen a parked car and not had any legal reason to bother a drug addict beyond taking the car keys, helping him get to a safe place to finish his high, or laughing at his forged bill; then there would be no pretext for any of the other actions that followed — not even the legal ones. Or how about investing in drug treatment facilities or mental health services? Governments can't keep thinking that a poorly educated population with no resources can be managed entirely by crowding prisons and letting under-qualified problem-cops interact with citizens on the streets..
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri May 29 08:58:15
A grown ass man weight on someone's neck, while they are handcuffed and belly on the ground, so casually in broad daylight and in front of people. To me that says about the norms at that police station. If you are belligerent, they are entitled to knee your neck into the pavement.

Speaking of education and the increasing inequality issue, I listened to Daniel Markovits on Sam Harris podcast talking about "the failure of meritocracy". Good listen, but half of it is behind a paywall. I recommend anything else with Markovits talking about the issue.

http://www...y=daniel+markovits+meritocracy
Y2A
Member
Fri May 29 12:38:20
Biden speaking live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkZ12X9-Vc8
Dakyron
Member
Fri May 29 12:43:56
Officer has been arrested. Lets hope it was for being an irredeemable piece of shit who committed a cold blooded murder and not because there was rioting.
The Children
Member
Fri May 29 16:16:59
free minneapolis!

http://www...risy_never_ceases_to_amaze_me/

the oppresion is real.
Paramount
Member
Fri May 29 16:59:39
The world should immediately recognize Bernie Sanders as President of the United States and demand the establishment of a transitional government that can restore democracy and order in an increasingly authoritarian country where the police murders people and arrests protesters and journalists.
jergul
large member
Fri May 29 17:02:08
Para
I think Pelosi would be a better choice in this analogy.

Alternatively Larry Sanders. He has been living in exile for 50 years to qualifies in a more general way on how the US likes to choose heads of States in other countries.
Rugian
Member
Fri May 29 17:03:15
Biden chalking this up to slavery. ROFL. Senile old man.
kargen
Member
Fri May 29 17:18:16
Once you start throwing rocks and starting shit on fire you are no longer a protester.

And let's face it CNN hasn't really had a journalist for a while now. Sucks that he was arrested all the same but labels matter. If we were true authoritarian we would have never seen the CNN talking head again once the van doors shut.
Habebe
Member
Fri May 29 17:18:21
http://www...to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Ppl killed by police by race. Overwhelmingly white by total numbers.
jergul
large member
Fri May 29 17:18:34
Ruggy
You are *never* going to bail on Trump, are you?

Let me remind you that of the two candidates, Trump is the one showing clear signs of dementia.
jergul
large member
Fri May 29 17:20:31
habebe
Could you be more lazy?

What % of the population is white? What % of those killed by police are white?
Rugian
Member
Fri May 29 17:42:23
jergul

Whites being a majority of police shooting victims suggests that police brutality is not overwhelmingly racist in nature.

And yes, blacks make up a disproportionate amount of victims in relative terms. But then again, they also make up a disproportionate amount of violent crimes.

If blacks were committing, say, 5% of violent crimes but were constituting 50% of the victims of police shootings, I'd agree that racism was a big factor there. That's not the case though.
Y2A
Member
Fri May 29 17:43:10
"by total numbers"

....yawn....
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri May 29 17:48:03
http://www...ked-for-her-as-security-guards
kargen
Member
Fri May 29 17:59:57
"Let me remind you that of the two candidates, Trump is the one showing clear signs of dementia."

Have you tried to listen to Biden? In a controlled environment reading off a notepad he comes off as foggy and easily confused. If he gets off script everything goes all to hell.

http://www...s_dementia_and_should_withdraw

"In online discussions, Biden apologists sometimes say that a senile Biden is better than an evil Trump. Is this really where we are? Congratulations, Democrats, you literally picked the worst of the bunch."
jergul
large member
Fri May 29 18:16:00
Kargen
Have you read Trump's tweets? Its not so much the discoherent off-message posting (his managers complain about this often) as it is the anger.

Random rage is a clear sign of dementia. Though you might run with sociopathy, I feel that diagnosis has insufficient explanatory power.

Ruggy
Really hard to take you seriously when you cannot see you have a huge race problem in the US. You have several of them in fact. They match the patchwork tapestry of misogeny nicely.

Knew theyself as the philosophers of old used to say.
jergul
large member
Fri May 29 18:17:33
I cannot believe you guys are still Trump loyalists.
Rugian
Member
Fri May 29 18:18:21
jergul

Class problem, not race problem. Poor people are more likely to commit violent crime. Violent criminals are more likely to be shot by police. Black people are more likely to be violent criminals.

This isn't rocket science.
Rugian
Member
Fri May 29 18:19:28
*Black people are more likely to be poor and therefore violent criminals
Rugian
Member
Fri May 29 18:22:46
jergul

It's a no-brainer to support Trump when the alternative is to support a guy who's decided to pander to SJWs by vilifying whites and men (to the extent that he wants to eliminate the presumption of innocence for the latter in campus rape tribunals).

Why would I want to vote for a party that literally hates me for my skin and gender?
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri May 29 18:39:46
"It's a no-brainer to support Trump when the alternative is to support a guy who's decided to pander to SJWs"

Since this is can always be applied to anything, you see why Dinald claims he can murder people in the middle of 5th Avenue, and his supporters wouldn't care
Y2A
Member
Fri May 29 18:51:25
Rugian
Member
Fri May 29 18:22:46
"I'm a victim"
Rugian
Member
Fri May 29 18:57:35
Y2A
"A 0.00000001% chance of being killed by a cop makes me a victim"
Habebe
Member
Fri May 29 19:15:11
Rugian, I think its also to look at the full context. Where are these killings taking place, I'd venture a guess more often in urban areas where this skews the numbers a bit more.

In Philly for example blacks are 40 some % of the population.

This is important because if most of.these killings by cops arw in the cities than its unfair to use national data as a % mark it will fuck with the stats.

It would be like saying im China very few.muslims are being sent to concentration camps.

However in ouygher ( sp) towns where its mostly happening the more apt statistics change drastically.
Habebe
Member
Fri May 29 19:35:37

http://www.../article/pii/S0091743520300700

So., I was wrong. While overall shootings are much higher in urban areas, police shootings are spread out ove rural.and urban areas.

In rural areas whites are disproportionately killed.While the reverse is true in Urban areas having blacks disproportionately killed.

Im too lazy ATM to start compiling these stats together to form a full picture.
Habebe
Member
Fri May 29 19:38:07
Also, most of these stats talk about police shooting deaths, while this was.not a shooting
sam adams
Member
Fri May 29 19:42:37
Riots breaking out all over. The natives are even attacking their own propaganda offices, CNN
Habebe
Member
Fri May 29 21:14:15
I wanna loot.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri May 29 21:36:37
almost certainly a pro-Trump dictatorship cop:
http://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266552262563954695
kargen
Member
Fri May 29 22:02:35
Gotta give CNN credit for sticking to their narrative. When they were reporting from the scene at the CNN building one of their reporters used the word rioters and the person back in the studio reminded him they are protesters.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat May 30 00:00:37
and on Fox, hosts say "[Trump] is arguably the greatest president in our history"

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seems like a Wells Fargo broken into / on fire

the Minneapolis mayor may be in trouble :p not sure where the Nat'l Guard went
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat May 30 00:14:32
(also i can prove my anecdote, Trump retweeted it... twice... can you prove yours?)

a Starbucks being looted in LA
seems an odd choice
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat May 30 00:18:32
i bet CNN winning the ratings, they have people right in w/ the rioters... i flipped to Fox twice & their people far away
The Children
Member
Sat May 30 00:58:50
"Once you start throwing rocks and starting shit on fire you are no longer a protester. "

>> completely wrong!

they fight for freedom and r brutally being oppressed by gun wielding government thugs.

the protestors r being killed brutally if they dunt protest. they have been oppressed and encroached and there rights and lands taken by them.

molotovs and bricks r harmless but the police r brutal and r stooges of chin err i mean america.

washington has promised them autonomy for 50 years but they break every promise. protesters just want there rights and whats promised 2 them.

Dukhat
Member
Sat May 30 01:00:47
What happened was pretty fucked up. Don't blame them for protesting but of course when the crowd gets too big, you're going to get rioters. Same shit with Trump protestors.
Dukhat
Member
Sat May 30 01:00:56
that is pro-Trump protestors.
The Children
Member
Sat May 30 01:06:28
they r brutally being oppressed duhat.
the washinton encroaches on there lands and take there rights away every year.

they promised them unchanged autonomy for 50 years.
minneapoleans r peacefull lovin peoples. they have no weapons.

yet they r brutally being cracked down. they want to steal there lands and bury them all in the sea.

we must stand for the minneapoleans. fight for freedom, stand with minneapoleans. revolution of our times.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat May 30 02:15:59
some video of the Target store looting
http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=ketNq_1590751264
kargen
Member
Sat May 30 02:40:21
The Children even for you that is going off the deep end. How the fuck does trying to carry home three cases of beer you stole equate to fighting for rights or freedom? Even more so when ya fucking stole it from a neighbor.

Bricks and molotov cocktails harmless? Fucking lay off the glue. You snorted your last brain cell away.

The Children
Member
Sat May 30 02:49:20
the government is crackin down on the peoples.

even carryin 3 cases of beer is now considered ILLEGAL AND CRIMINAL. u black shirted opppresive pigs r turnin minneapolis into a tyranical police state when the peoples just want there freedom.

the peoples r peacefull. they have no weapons. all they have r stones. u oppressive pigs r already usin guns.

u have encroached and stolen the lands and r turning these peoples into slaves in there own lands and homes.

Fight for freedom, stand with minneapolis. revolution of our times. 5 demands, not 1 less.
The Children
Member
Sat May 30 02:50:54
and who said they stole them. uh huh. they found them. and thought it would be chill 2 drink them at home rather than havin it being wasted on the streets.

they merely picked up the beer they FOUND, and proceeded 2 carry it back home when oppresive brutal military pigs brutally beat them down on accusations they made up.

5 demands, not 1 less.
Paramount
Member
Sat May 30 03:00:32
Yeah, violence is NEVER the answer, except when China is being targeted.
Paramount
Member
Sat May 30 03:24:31
This is how many Americans thinks:

http://www...risy_never_ceases_to_amaze_me/
jergul
large member
Sat May 30 03:41:37
I am glad to see that most everyone is wearing masks. Kudos to the police for wearing full PPE gear including gas masks and even plexiglass shields to ensure proper social distancing from the frontal arc.

Also, being outdoors in the fresh air is according to CDC guidlines.
kargen
Member
Sat May 30 04:02:51
"even carryin 3 cases of beer is now considered ILLEGAL AND CRIMINAL."

He fucking stole them ya idiot. Know way even your tuna sandwich worshiping ass believes beer grows in the street.
And just in case you are that fucked, yeah there is video of him looting the store. Dumb ass.

Stones are weapons. Have been for many centuries now. Who do you think Minneapolis was stolen from?
Paramount
Member
Sat May 30 06:20:36
Jergul,

” Para
I think Pelosi would be a better choice in this analogy.

Alternatively Larry Sanders. He has been living in exile for 50 years to qualifies in a more general way on how the US likes to choose heads of States in other countries.”


Larry would work. It is clear that there needs to be a new leadership in the USA. There are protests across all of the United States now. The people has had enough. They wants freedom and justice! The current leaders can no longer ignore the will of the people.

The current leaders are not capable. They don’t care about their own people. Millions of Americans are homeless and starving, the police kills people and most of the time gets away with it, people are poor and oppressed, the military is called in against protesters, the president threatens to shoot them. So if the world recognizes Larry Sanders as the legitimate president of a transitional government, that would be a great step in the right direction.
Paramount
Member
Sat May 30 06:38:32
” Man shot and killed during Detroit protests

A 19-year-old man was fatally shot amid protests Friday night in Detroit, and authorities are looking for a suspect, police said.

The shooting occurred around 11:30 p.m. when a suspect in a gray Dodge Durango "pulled up to the location and fired shots into the crowd," police said in a statement.

The victim was taken to a hospital where he died from his injuries”



Minnesota gov. hints that white supremacists, drug cartels could be part of widespread chaos

When asked by a reporter if Walz was aware of rumors that white supremacists had joined some of the looting he said based on "my suspicions and what I've seen on this, yes."

http://www...376/ncrd1219406#liveBlogHeader

^ It could basically be the white Trump Forces who are driving around and shooting people. Trump said on the Twitter that if the people don’t behave then the bullets will start to fly. Like so.
The Children
Member
Sat May 30 09:14:50
"He fucking stole them ya idiot. Know way even your tuna sandwich worshiping ass believes beer grows in the street.
And just in case you are that fucked, yeah there is video of him looting the store. Dumb ass.

Stones are weapons. Have been for many centuries now. Who do you think Minneapolis was stolen from? "

>> 5 demands, u stupid idiot. not one less.

the protests will not stop untill u give in 5 demands. free minneapolis, stand for freedom, kid.

how dare u, u freedumb lovin commie!
kargen
Member
Sat May 30 12:55:03
Those are not demands. They are dribble. Might as well demand we all get free Iphones. Maybe demand to cut imports from China by 65%. Makes as much sense as the crap you are spewing out.
The Children
Member
Sat May 30 12:56:40
these r the "5 demands, not 1 less", demands u idiot.

u have no choice but 2 accept them or else.
jergul
large member
Sat May 30 13:06:36
Great, now snipers are firing into the crowds of peaceful demonstrators.

We have a duty to protect. Intervention and regime change is the only moral option.

History has taught us that several times since the end of the cold war.
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