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Dakyron
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Fri May 29 10:55:37
http://www...eague/videos/3162757940422223/
Dakyron
Member
Fri May 29 13:11:51
I don't really give a shit what your favorite movie is, but you should watch the video.
smart dude
Member
Sat May 30 02:30:37
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. The same is true of Star Trek. Weird people.

I never understood Star Wars fans. There's s two good movies. Not even that great, just solid fantasy/sci-fi. But people obsess over it.

I think there was an interview where George Lucas said Jar Jar is his favorite SW character. Expert-level trolling

McKobb
Member
Sat May 30 05:22:30
I prefer The Fifth Element
kargen
Member
Sat May 30 05:28:52
My favorite Star Wars is when Apollo and Starbuck go back in time to save a whale.
Rugian
Member
Sat May 30 05:35:56
Starbuck doesn't sound like the name of someone who'd be inclined to save whales.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat May 30 08:15:26
I think episode 1-3 were the best, the storyline of Star War, was always derivative of every fantasy trope, it was the universe that was unique and that universe is a visual place best represented with CGI. Fuck episode 4-6 they were ok. 7-9 that was just a repeat.

And fuck the latest Terminator movie. It was revolting to my sense and sensibilities. "I won't be back", you shouldn't have come in the first place!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat May 30 08:18:55
Just vanquish the entire John Conner story, in 1 scene they invalidate the first 2 movies and the entire premise of the franchise. I mean I still liked 3, ok fine Judgment day is inevitable, that is a solid twist. But it was the start of slippery slope that led us to this last totally garbage installment. May god have mercy on the souls of everyone involved in that movie, because I won't.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 30 10:22:47
5th element was the shit.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat May 30 10:30:49
"I think episode 1-3 were the best"

lmfao
Habebe
Member
Sat May 30 10:33:53
As for Star Wars, Nimatzo is right. 1-3 get blames for being over political, but as far as storyline goes they are the best.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat May 30 14:28:34
Somehow I'm not surprised...
patom
Member
Sat May 30 15:19:08
Best western 'Shane'

Best comedy 'Some like it Hot'

Gritty Drama 'On the waterfront'

Movie that shook me 'The Deer Hunter'

Because I'm from Philly 'Rocky'
Habebe
Member
Sat May 30 15:27:29
The 4-6 trilogy was cool.for its time because of the look, high intensity space battles. It was severely lacking in plot, yoda in swampland was cool, Bader. mmmis always cool and Han was cool, the rest, meh. For me it doesn't hold up that well. I have no nostalgia for it since I was born in the 80s and didnt get into SW until after 1-3 were released.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat May 30 15:42:31
Even growing up with the prequels (or only getting into Star Wars when they were released) doesn't justify liking them, let alone thinking they're the best of the bunch. It's just sad.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat May 30 15:52:31
No, you are objectively wrong. The entire story 1-6 is lack luster and derivative, everything is predictable. A total garbage story compared to say _any_ of the Babylon 5 movies or the old Star Trek movies or Aliens. Horse shit. But the universe Lucas built, the lore, great setting. A beautiful and exciting place, that looks like shit when it was made in 80's. I am sorry you grew up in a culture who lied to you about this like they lied to you about Santa Claus and Jesus.
McKobb
Member
Sat May 30 16:18:43
Love it or hate it Star Wars is a contender to be around for hundreds of years in our culture imo. I love making unprovable assertions :P
Habebe
Member
Sat May 30 16:42:45
Nim, Only ever seen bab 5 tv show...wasnt impressed. I liked 1-3, total package so suck it.

World building? Yes fantastic The mandalorian was great.

As a matter of fact I liked Solo, a star wars story.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat May 30 17:11:48
I was talking to WoO, but now I also think lesser of you as a human being for not agreeing with everything I said.
Dakyron
Member
Sat May 30 17:45:55
Eat shit and die.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat May 30 18:09:42
You started this thread you asshole, you knew what you were doing and exactly what kind of shit you were stirring up. I hope you get AIDS.
Habebe
Member
Sat May 30 19:19:20
I hope you get raped by rabbid

aids infected raccoons and you

grow crazy and move into the

woods where yoir wounds won't

Heal right and you become more

Disfigured amd crazy until you

Wander off into a swamp and meet

Swamp thing who just rapes you

For years until he grows bored

Of you and you end up in an

animal shelter where you'll get

adopted by rosie oddonel who

Rapes you and makes you snuggle

Into her Sweaty folds and she

Sees your asshole shit and keeps

feeding you and feeding you

then she puts your nuts on a

dresser Just your fucking nuts

And beats them shits with a

spiked bat and then you die

From your aids your wake up

chained to a rock where birds

eat your eyes and guts amd just

When you think its over it

starts all over again for

eternity!
smart dude
Member
Sat May 30 21:53:53
The prequel trilogy added some interesting things to the cannon and was probably the most cohesive trilogy. It could have been great. The problem is George Lucas is a TERRIBLE writer (even episode 4 was heavily doctored by real sceenwriters), and there is a reason ESB and RotJ were written and directed by other people.

The prequels also had some unfortunate casting decisions. McGregor and Neeson were great though.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun May 31 00:59:48
Nim, just have a cuddle and a good cry with your little rat dog and keep telling yourself 1-3 are good.
Cherub Cow
Member
Sun May 31 01:14:36
"The prequel trilogy ... could have been great."
"The problem is George Lucas is a TERRIBLE writer (even episode 4 was heavily doctored by real sceenwriters), and there is a reason ESB and RotJ were written and directed by other people."

Yeah. When I've revisited it, it seems like a better director and better screenwriters could have polished Episode I-III's many many many glaring and incompetent errors. Things like not wasting half an hour on a pod race, glossing over Obi-Wan and Anakin's adventures and friendship between Episode I and II with one line in an elevator (a critically important friendship, given that their ended friendship was supposed to galvanize Anakin's fall to the Dark Side), and few to none of the actors delivering their lines well (and when *that* many actors fail to deliver lines well — and *that* consistently across all three movies — it's the director's fault). Those things rip the story apart, and Episodes V and VI did not suffer from those errors.

And I never really liked Episode IV — it was just an introduction for V and VI — and I recognize that it was due to Lucas. V and VI had solid stories with no *major* errors (while I-III had major errors every few scenes) — they were just better produced and directed, worked on by people with better eyes for detail, actors managed well and given more room to be characters, sets created by better artists... no competition. Watching I-III.. even the "good" scenes, I just find myself thinking, "I wish he'd delivered that line differently," or, "I wish they'd put fewer blurry CGI creatures in the background and just made one or two *well*-CGIed creatures," ... none of that comes up in V and VI. The competence levels were much higher.

So when I hear people saying that the prequels were better, it's a pretty obvious insight into their preference for mindless effects :p .. the same people who like Marvel Avengers movies — you know, people whose opinions do not matter ;D
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun May 31 02:13:27
It’s cute that over educated and over bred people cling on to the ”story”. Waaa special effects. You are like the guy who tells everyone he doesn’t watch porn. I am the guy who says, yes I watch and enjoy eye porn, fuck you and the stick up your ass. I don’t fabricate a lie to feel relevant and special like all the other sheep in the culture I grew up in, the ”story was good”. lol yea so was Debbie does Dallas and the Bible. PLEASE ACCEPT ME! PLEASE ACCEPT ME!

Every time we have this discussion including Star Trek (Enterprise was the best) it boosts my confidence. So, your criticism meaning _nothing_ to me given what makes you morons excited.
Paramount
Member
Sun May 31 02:17:08
I liked Star Wars 4-6 back when I was a kid. It is probably the movies that has had the most impact on me.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun May 31 02:23:39
It's pretty much like he's a Trump voter, but for movies.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun May 31 02:25:27
It is a good rule of thumb, if people talk about the story of Star wars and how great it is, they probably have the mental maturity of a 14 year old boy who watched gang bangs growing up to learn about love and what makes women happy.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun May 31 02:37:52
WoO
It not ”like” anything. You people are sheep, still trapped in whatever mental state you had when you watched it the first time, completely blank as to exactly what movies and storytelling had to offer. I bet you were disappointed with the story and character progression in Transformers as well.
Cherub Cow
Member
Sun May 31 04:18:16
[Wrath of Orion]: "It's pretty much like he's a Trump voter, but for movies."

lulz, yeah :D

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[Nimatzo]: "It’s cute that over educated and over bred people cling on to the ”story”. Waaa special effects."

Awesome! Nim admitted to a couple of things here: he is, in fact, the type of person who prizes special effects above story, above character, above acting, above direction, and above production value (all the things he summarily dismissed from the arguments above). He also admits a correlation between better educated people and their cultural tastes: better educated people *do* tend to have more discerning tastes for cultural presentations — more perceptive people tend to like presentations which better submerge their perceptions in the artwork. This is the Gesamtkunstwerk. Many people pretend that intelligence and education have no bearing on the type of art people consume, but Nim here may recognize that in fact intelligence and education *do* correlate to consumption habits.

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[Nimatzo]: "You are like the guy who tells everyone he doesn’t watch porn. I am the guy who says, yes I watch and enjoy eye porn, fuck you and the stick up your ass."

And relating this Nim mistake ("You are like") to the above ("It’s cute") one: not all porn is the same. That being true, better educated people prefer different types of porn than the lesser educated. The uneducated would like to think that "porn is porn" — that it's just a camera and people having sex — but in reality, different porn studios have different levels of production values. Some have no idea what they're doing, so they just grab a GoPro, plan a few positions, and make Cloverfield, while others go through the effort of staging light reflectors, checking their equipment with color charts, light balancing, planning shots, and directing the porn actors to behave in particular ways or say certain things. Even porns have scripts, and they *can* have bad ones.

Nim does not seem to be cued into this reality: he thinks that just because porn appeals to base needs that it has no visual distinction. Yet, I would guess that he uses visual distinctions unconsciously to steer him to the porn that makes sense to his education level, all while not observing his own mental processes.

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[Nimatzo]:"I bet you were disappointed with the story and character progression in Transformers as well."

Yep. I can accept stupid characters, and I can accept stupid story, but they have to be done in such a way that excuses their stupidity. "Sharknado" (2013) was actually better than Transformers (2007) because it had more of an idea about what it was trying to accomplish (being campy fun). Transformers, on the other hand, was meant specifically to appease the poorly educated masses, so it wrote its stories and created its characters *for* the poorly educated: characters who behaved irrationally, who were aggressively annoying (Witwicky's parents), or who had no concept of their stupidity yet felt deserving of universal powers (Sam, the ugly American). If those bad elements get featured more than the effects, then even the cool effects (which were not even that great in Transformers — lots of moving shapes without perspective that were designed to reduce the effects budget) have little redemption about them.

If your point was simply that prequel-haters cannot even accept movies that were made to be stupid but fun, then you'd be wrong. Episodes V and VI were stupid but fun. Simple writing executed well.

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[Nimatzo]: "You people are sheep, still trapped in whatever mental state you had when you watched it the first time"

Ah, the old "You're just nostalgic" claim.

I'm not a Star Wars die-hard fan — it was just a couple of good movies from the early '80s that I revisit every few years. I try to evaluate movies based on their specific run time. Episodes V and VI hold up, not by some nostalgic "Oh, I remember liking this scene!" excuse but because they were just done well enough that their stories and effects endure. Many movies accomplish this (e.g., 1980's "The Shining", 1982's "Blade Runner", 1991's "Terminator 2", the "Back to the Future" trilogy). It's funny how movies that were done competently can have stories and effects done in such a way that they can be viewed with immersion for a long time. Episodes I-III do not meet the challenge. Even when they were released, the effects were average. And you cannot hide bad acting. All that's left is prequel memes ( http://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/ )— moments that can be laughed at or taken out of context for short enjoyment.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun May 31 05:45:50
"between better educated"

For someone who has made so much fuss over the years about people and their poor usage of language, you seem to fail pretty hard from the very intro. A bad sign of what is to come. I don't view people with too many university credit as "better educated" just as I don't view people with more fat as people with "better health".

"not all porn is the same"

It all leads to ejaculation, a short but "thrilling ride. We can have different taste in porn and yet the objective is the same. See what I mean with over-educated? You inflate the posts with too many words and pointless analysis, still miss the central point and walk away with an equally inflated sense of ego as if you said something important.

"it has no visual distinction."

In fact on SW that was _only_ distinction I made and asserted is even valid to make. Hence why I compared it to porn! So many words, so much fail.

>>so they just grab a GoPro<<

That is some of the best porn btw, "real", visceral without filter and a story. Just fucking and sucking. I want to see the pizza delivery or sexy secretary story as much as I want to see another good vs evil movie with swords and magic where we can predict the story from the opening credits.

Yes the movies you listed were all better than all the episodes, they had great effects for their time, so did E 4-6, they were ground breaking at the time and that was the "trap", a visually revolutionary movie with a story so simple everyone could relate to. It was the world that made SW unique and thrilling, all the small things you only saw a glimpse of that was never explained, hinting of an immense and complex universe. I am sorry you missed the best part of Star Wars, it is a real tragedy.
Cherub Cow
Member
Sun May 31 09:16:43
[CC]: "He also admits a correlation between better educated people and their cultural tastes"
[Nimatzo]: "For someone who has made so much fuss over the years about people and their poor usage of language, you seem to fail pretty hard from the very intro. A bad sign of what is to come. I don't view people with too many university credit as "better educated" just as I don't view people with more fat as people with "better health"."

If you want to attempt to be a grammar Nazi, you should probably critique grammar that is *incorrect*. That sentence reads as I wanted it to read: "better educated"="people educated better than others/Nim". You may, erroneously, be thinking that I should have said, "More educated," — you would be wrong. More education is not necessarily better education — my point which you arrived at only after misinterpreting my words. And do not open the grammar box; your grammar is atrocious and requires re-reading just to mentally insert all the words that you've dropped or egregiously misspelled.

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[Nimatzo]: "It all leads to ejaculation, a short but "thrilling ride. We can have different taste in porn and yet the objective is the same. See what I mean with over-educated? You inflate the posts with too many words and pointless analysis, still miss the central point and walk away with an equally inflated sense of ego as if you said something important."

Yeah, and "Life all leads to death, so why analyze life?" See how fucking retarded that was? See how your incessant mediocrity keeps you from grasping how bad your point was? No wonder you think Jergul has interesting things to say — you're both fucking idiots.

To explain: the objective is *not* the same across all types of movies anymore than it is the same across all types of pornography. This should be self-evident, but I'm talking to Nim, so it must not be, and I'll explain more: A viewer's experience of something popular but moving like, say, "The Shawshank Redemption" (1994), acts quite differently on the mind and body than say, "The Rock" (1996). The objective is *not* the same. This is why weak-minded people ignore difficult movies. "Transformers" is easy for weak-minded people, whereas conceptual movies such as "Arrival" (2016) might be something they'd avoid. They do not even *understand* the allure or the payoff any more than a child first learning addition can understand the payoff of abstract algebra — they simply do not have the mind for it. Excitement is easy to convey to idiots as with dogs, but complex emotions and thoughts? Nope, idiots just call them "too many words and pointless analysis", then crown themselves for their eternal lack of effort, telling themselves that the gaping hole that an education never filled is somehow imperceptible to others.

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[Nimatzo]: "It’s cute that over educated and over bred people cling on to the ”story”. Waaa special effects. You are like the guy who tells everyone he doesn’t watch porn. I am the guy who says, yes I watch and enjoy eye porn, fuck you and the stick up your ass."
[CC]: "not all porn is the same. That being true, better educated people prefer different types of porn than the lesser educated. The uneducated would like to think that "porn is porn" ... [Nim] thinks that just because porn appeals to base needs that it has no visual distinction."
[Nimatzo]: "In fact on SW that was _only_ distinction I made and asserted is even valid to make. Hence why I compared it to porn! So many words, so much fail."

More of your comical misunderstandings! I was talking about porn's visual distinction from itself — how not all porn is the same. And your comparison was of "special effects" to "porn" as a monolith, wherein porn was somehow uniform and without distinction — the basis of your point, which was false. You think that watching porn is only a visual and stupid treat, when actually it is not wholly that — that is only the porn that *your* mind selects or understands.

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[Nimatzo]: "they had great effects for their time, so did E 4-6, they were ground breaking at the time and that was the "trap", a visually revolutionary movie with a story so simple everyone could relate to. It was the world that made SW unique and thrilling, all the small things you only saw a glimpse of that was never explained, hinting of an immense and complex universe. I am sorry you missed the best part of Star Wars, it is a real tragedy."

Uh-oh! Now you appreciate the unique world, the never-explained glimpses, and the complex universe of episodes IV–VI? But porn is porn, Nim! It's "Just fucking and sucking"! What happened to all that "[special effects ftw]" talk? And somehow I missed those things? Those things that I was talking about already? Did you confuse our post histories? Did you mean to play up episodes I-III and wrote "4-6" accidentally? If it's an accident, it may just be providence — the words that you've needed to say this whole time.

So quote Nim! Like the savages were suspected of doing in the OP video, Nim just got Episodes I–III confused with IV–VI. We're all on the same team again!
Dakyron
Member
Sun May 31 19:31:27
"You started this thread you asshole, you knew what you were doing and exactly what kind of shit you were stirring up. I hope you get AIDS. "

You make me physically ill.
Asgard
Member
Mon Jun 01 07:37:57
New Star wars (ep 7-9): Men are bad, here is a new female protagonist and anything that came before her is BAD.

Terminator Dark fate: Men are bad, here is a new female protagonist and anything that came before her is BAD.

Ghostbusters remake: Men are bad, here is a new female protagonist and anything that came before her is BAD.


Starting to see a trend here...
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