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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 10 12:44:56
"
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's campaign is demanding CNN retract and apologize for a recent poll that showed him well behind presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

The demand, coming in the form of a cease and desist letter to CNN President Jeff Zucker, was immediately rejected by the network.

"We stand by our poll," said Matt Dornic, a CNN spokesman.

The CNN poll conducted by SSRS and released on Monday shows Trump trailing the former vice president by 14 points, 55%-41%, among registered voters. It also finds the President's approval rating at 38% -- his worst mark since January 2019, and roughly on par with approval ratings for one-term Presidents Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush at this point in their reelection years -- and his disapproval rating at 57%.

Soon after the poll was released, Trump tweeted that he had hired Republican pollster McLaughlin & Associates to "analyze" the CNN poll and others, "which I felt were FAKE based on the incredible enthusiasm we are receiving." McLaughlin ranks as one of the least accurate pollsters in the industry, as measured by FiveThirtyEight.

Several other polls released over the past few weeks -- including polls by ABC News/Washington Post, Monmouth University, NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist College, NBC News/Wall Street Journal, Quinnipiac University and Fox News -- also show Biden well ahead of Trump. These polls, averaged with the CNN poll, find Biden up by double digits, a result well outside any margin of error.
"
<continues w/ defenses against the arguments by McLaughlin & Associates (who wrote a very partisan analysis, not a sign of a neutral pollster)
http://www...p-campaign-cnn-poll/index.html

note Trump felt the poll was "FAKE based on the incredible enthusiasm we are receiving"

something a fucking moron & liar says...

"how could i be losing in a poll when people cheer me at my events? derp..."

& of course Trump hasn't released any poll showing him winning, just claims his 'internal' polls show it... (& internal apparently means inside his head)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 10 13:11:43
an article written for the kargens out there

(regarding his 'antifa' protester tweet that was based on what a Russian found on a blog)

http://thebulwark.com/newsletter-issue/its-not-the-tweet/

snippet:
"
...it’s just a tweet, right?

But the problem is not the tweet. That’s a distraction.

The problem here is the mind of Donald Trump.

The fact that this insanity appears in a tweet seems to distract us from the rather more fundamental fact that it is insane.

But this is the way the president of the United States thinks; the way he processes information and makes judgments. He has access to the world’s most sophisticated intelligence network, and yet continues to get his information not just from television, but from the flakiest corners of the disinformation universe where lies and hoaxes are the currency of the realm.

And, apparently, he can’t tell the difference. Or does not care.

There are two broad possibilities here: (1) he is so addled and gullible that he actually believes this (actually quite stupid) conspiracy theory, which raises questions about his ability to assess evidence of any sort or, (2) he’s just flinging feces from the bunker to trigger the libs, which Rush Limbaugh assures us is some form of brilliance.

In other words, he either believes it, in which case he’s nuts; or (like his accusations against Joe Scarborough), he doesn’t care if it is true, in which case he is a cynical and vicious sociopath.

The problem isn’t the tweets; it’s the man. Charles C.W. Cooke gets it exactly right:

[He can’t stop. This is who he is. It isn’t schtick, or a tactic, or a political approach, or a mistake. This is who he is. It’s what he thinks, and how he thinks. He has for decades. Twitter shows us it, it doesn’t create it.] ~Charles Cooke
...
"

===============

UNFIT for the office... there is no comparison to any D candidates (or other R candidates for that matter)... he is just mentally unfit
Rugian
Member
Wed Jun 10 13:14:27
It's insane to not unquestionably trust the intelligence community now?

God fucking damnit tw.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 10 14:15:40
the intel community doesn't enter this one, not sure what you're talking about (if something in last thread, then specify)


a worthless conservative blog speculated about that protester w/ no evidence, a Russian (who works for Russian state media & OANN) 'reported' on it on OANN & Trump decided it was solid enough to tweet it out

(& no law enforcement has suggested the guy was trying to blackout their equipment -if that's even a thing- or was Antifa, afaik)

...the Russian part not terribly relevant... just noting it as just adds to the ridiculousness of the situation.

Trump will elevate any made-up bullshit that plays into the narrative he wants regardless of source or evidence (proven repeatedly)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 10 15:16:42
CNN's response letter to Trump's demand of poll retraction
(images, not c/p-able)
http://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1270802155201576962
a solid 'fuck you' to the idiot child & his garbage team's constant legal maneuvers nonsense
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 10 23:34:18
the current piece of shit press secretary trying to defend Trump's baseless evidence-free tweet smearing the old protester (+ roasted by Anderson Cooper):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8V32G7AEkI
"the 'president' raised several questions based on a report he saw"...& a quality report indeed (& he wasn't just raising questions)

"we need to ask questions before we destroy lives"

yeah... like insinuating the guy was Antifa & saying he was trying to disrupt police communication based on a totally worthless 'news' org's report... it's not like he could've contacted the FBI or any other reliable source to see if any evidence for the claims before tweeting to the world


she is awful
Trump is awful
Trump supporters are awful or insane
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 00:22:50
whatever happened to all that evidence of crimes that Rudy Giuliani claimed to have acquired in Ukraine, and announced on quality network OANN?

(the obvious place to take your evidence of crimes)
Paramount
Member
Thu Jun 11 00:42:47
The media is trying to destroy Trump and radical Democrats are terrorizing entire citites. I don’t know how Trump can let this go on. He should call Bill Gates and have him shut down CNN and then go ahead with classifying the Left as a terror organization.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 11 00:50:56
"Trump supporters are awful or insane"

Can't we be both? You know like Joker.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 01:06:08
you sure can


here's some quality Trump supporters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNhrbMnKRz4
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 11 01:13:45
Haha, the george floyd challenge.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 12:05:45
Gen Milley apologized for participating in Trump's offensive photo op

...the one preceded by abusing peaceful protesters w/ the aid of the military
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 12:13:47
"
Our great National Guard Troops who took care of the area around the White House could hardly believe how easy it was. “A walk in the park”, one said. The protesters, agitators, anarchists (ANTIFA), and others, were handled VERY easily by the Guard, D.C. Police, & S.S. GREAT JOB!
"
~ weird shit the 'president' says


i guess taunting that the people (American citizens) were weak or something... & lumping protesters w/ the trouble-makers (as usual)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 12:51:39
"THOSE THAT DENY THEIR HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT!"
~ Trump announcing he will again be sexually assaulting women, cheating on Melania w/ porn stars, running another scam university, running another scam charity, siding w/ Russia over America, calling coronavirus a hoax, extorting Ukraine, obstructing justice & many other things
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 13:01:30
In a reversal from their previous position, the Treasury Department and Small Business Administration say the names and loan amounts of businesses receiving taxpayer-backed coronavirus assistance will not be made public


thx Mnuchin, you aren't corrupt at all

...i assume Trump & his many money-laundering operations are soaking up taxpayer money
(& Trump associates)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 15:37:14
even Trump's campaign team knows he's an idiot child who watches TV all day:

"
With their boss growing increasingly agitated with the state of his re-election campaign and with the efforts of Republican critics to undermine it, President Donald Trump’s team hatched a plan. They’d run a series of hard-hitting ads and place them on networks that they knew the president and congressional Republicans would watch.

And so, over the past month, the Trump campaign has spent slightly more than $400,000 on cable news ads in the Washington, D.C., area, buying time largely on Fox News but with some smaller buys on CNN and MSNBC as well, according to filings with the Federal Communications Commission. The ads began running in late May and are scheduled through June 23. It is, on a purely electoral level, a remarkably quixotic use of campaign cash. The purchases have no real shot of moving D.C., Maryland, or Virginia into the Trump column.
...
"
http://www...k-up-congressional-republicans

TLDR: the campaign is paying for lots of Trump ads to run in Washington DC so the idiot child can see lots of praise of himself on the TVs he watches all day
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 18:36:37
'The White House' tweeted (& Trump retweeted) Ben Carson saying:

"[Under Trump's leadership]... we the people will recognize, despite all the forces to the contrary, we are not each other's enemies."
http://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1271202561819906057

some unrelated Trump tweets:
"
THE RIGGED AND CORRUPT MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!

The New York Times reporting is false. They are a true ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!

The Fake News doesn’t show real polls. Lamestream Media is totally CORRUPT, the Enemy of the People!

The Washington Post and New York Times are, in my opinion, two of the most dishonest media outlets around. Truly, the Enemy of the People!
"
(i was going to post them all but he's said it way more times than i realized)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 11 19:19:38
(In a Fox interview) Trump continues to lie about his "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" tweet.. It was quite clear from the context of his tweet (and every tweet since) he meant harsh tactics and shooting the looters not some axiom that there's always shooting w/ looting (because there isn't)

so pathetic and embarrassing when he does these stupid lie excuses (yet his cultists always fall for it I guess)

and not even sure why he won't own this one as his fans definitely would be fine with it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 13 00:39:56
Trump caved to the pressure:

"
We had previously scheduled our #MAGA Rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for June 19th – a big deal. Unfortunately, however, this would fall on the Juneteenth Holiday. Many of my African American friends and supporters have reached out to suggest that we consider changing the date out...

...of respect for this Holiday, and in observance of this important occasion and all that it represents. I have therefore decided to move our rally to Saturday, June 20th, in order to honor their requests...

...We have already had ticket requests in excess of 200,000 people. I look forward to seeing everyone in Oklahoma!
"

he would see doing that as a sign of weakness (just like admitting even minor errors) so he must be really worried
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 13 19:11:40
Trump retweeted some guy's comment about 'his' West Point grad speech:

"Is it just me or is that the best speech Trump has ever given?"

he always find some such comment after a teleprompter speech, like some Fox person said his SpaceX launch speech would be the one Trump would be remembered for... yeah, right...

Trump knows he has -nothing- to do w/ the speeches (it's quite clear he contributes nothing to them... he even occasionally looks up & says 'so true... so true...' not realizing the words he's reading are supposed to be his already... you don't need to agree w/ yourself)

so even knowing he has nothing to do w/ them, shamelessly promotes people saying it's 'his' greatest ever (same w/ praise of his books he didn't write)

you'd think he'd be embarrassed that he never gets any praise for the shit he comes up w/ himself

so much mental illness & fraud-ness


(yes, i know it's not unusual to have speech-writers... it IS unusual for it to always be 100% obvious he had nothing to do w/ the writing)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 13 21:55:37
Trump still requires 2 hands to drink from a glass
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1271820635040362497

i don't even know what weird shit that's about... too used to fast food straws? parkinsons?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 13 22:10:16
i wasn't going to do the ramp one too since team Trump/Fox made a big deal about a Hillary stumble on steps, but since the idiot child had to respond & lie about it w/ this tweet:

"
The ramp that I descended after my West Point Commencement speech was very long & steep, had no handrail and, most importantly, was very slippery. The last thing I was going to do is “fall” for the Fake News to have fun with. Final ten feet I ran down to level ground. Momentum!
"


here's the non-steep ramp he struggled with:
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1271902553417138176
can't judge slipperiness, but i kinda doubt they put a 'very slippery' ramp there
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 14 00:57:28
"
The way President Obama runs down the stairs of Air Force 1, hopping & bobbing all the way, is so inelegant and unpresidential. Do not fall!
"
~ Trump - Apr 22, 2014
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 16 11:50:26
after browsing some of his speech & tweets, just a general reminder: Trump is a fucking moron & fraud

...& his hair has weird shit going on
Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 16 11:52:09
Judging by the fact that you of all people have nothing to say about it, I'm guessing his speech was amazing.

Which means itll be completely ignored by the media.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 16 14:02:52
no, just means it's his standard behavior, & just looking at his stupid fraud idiot face talking forced me to comment :p

+ he tweeted

"Wow! May retail sales show biggest one-month increase of ALL TIME, up 17.7%."

WOW... way better than after every other years major pandemic that closed everything...

======

Pence is still wearing no masks at events (he's head of coronavirus task force)... either he's a full cultist now, or worried about losing his VP spot

there's no way he'd be doing that w/ a mature adult president, it makes no sense at all
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 16 17:31:06
one recent annoyance i had to listen to:

"
Q What do you think of the Atlanta shooting video that you’ve seen versus George Floyd?

THE PRESIDENT: I thought it was a terrible — I’m not going to compare things, but I thought it was a terrible situation. I studied it closely. I’m going to get some reports done today — very strong reports. And we’ll have a little more to say about it tomorrow.
"
========
(a lot of words w/o saying much as usual)

& not just some reports, "very strong reports"...

are cultists noticing his constant use of 'strong/strongly', 'tremendous', 'highly respected', 'powerful', 'very high level'? how often does it apply?

every single thing must be exaggerated as he's a fraud to his core
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 16 21:44:25
so Trump is suing Bolton to shut him up & considering suing his niece to shut her up

he's hiding his tax records & health records & academic records, & call logs & visitor logs, & secret service expenditures, & who got the $600 billion in aid money, & what he did w/ Ukraine, & his notes from talks w/ Putin...


"there has NEVER been a President who has been more transparent"
~ Trump


...& of course anyone who slips through the NDAs & lawsuits & says something negative is dismissed as merely a disgruntled liar by the kargens out there
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 17 12:45:22
"96% Approval Rating in the Republican Party. Thank you!"

(pathetic/embarrassing/childish/mentally unfit)

===================

"Almost One Million people request tickets for the Saturday Night Rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma!"

wow! i bet all of those were unique human supporters too! just like each follower of his social media!
Rugian
Member
Wed Jun 17 16:38:41
So this threads gonna be busy in a bit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 17 16:52:46
& you'll be busy ignoring how ridiculously unfit Trump is according to everyone (outside of loyal cultists & scum of the earth)

==========

"The president has told advisers he wants to find and prosecute whoever let it be known that he was in the bunker, per 3 ppl familiar with what he's said"
~ Maggie Haberman, New York Times

totally normal
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 18 12:13:23
Trump:

“I did something good: I made Juneteenth very famous,” Mr. Trump said, referring to news coverage of the rally date. “It’s actually an important event, an important time. But nobody had ever heard of it.”

a compilation of Trump's 'nobody ever knew':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uUyiE0fzJ4

which are obviously '-I- didn't know's, but he's too much of a stupid malignant narcissist child to realize others may know things he doesn't

...maybe nobody knew Finland wasn't part of Russia
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 18 12:46:14
here's a facebook ad team Trump put up that got taken down for nazi imagery:

http://pbs...UwAApNct?format=png&name=small

i don't know if obvious nazi imagery, but i object to the text which is TOTAL BULLSHIT

but i guess Fox watchers will believe it with their shockingly indefensible deliberately misleading coverage of Seattle

has anyone even been arrested who has some connection to Antifa? Boogaloo boys have been... haven't heard corrupt AG Barr or Trump talking about them...


as i said before, the country is lost if Trump wins... (plus maybe if he loses as he could easily start a civil war w/ his cultists)

it will be the death of truth, science & fact
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 12:58:59
Honestly though, who here DID know of Juneteenth before this year?

I recall hearing about it a very long time ago, some white supremacists thought that black people used it as a day to beat up random whites on the streets. And that was about the extent of my exposure to it until now.

I bet you're one of those guys who believe hosting the Tulsa rally on Juneteenth sas some sort of super-secret shootout to racist people though.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 18 13:11:23
no, i wasn't aware of Juneteenth... but i wouldn't be a stupid arrogant idiot child & think nobody ever heard of it (which he's done before, on things i -was- aware of)


another bit for the stupid arrogant idiot child:

apparently Trump says some people are wearing masks just because they don't like him
(in Wall Street Journal interview, i don't have a subscription)

a child thinks the world revolves around them... Trump thinks everything is about him...

Trump -is- a child, EVERY aspect of his character, behavior, mental processes proves it


(plus his view of masks meaning anti-Trump will be more reason for his cultists to not wear them)


insanely unfit for office
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 18 14:44:01
as i was saying...

"
Do you get the impression that the Supreme Court doesn’t like me?
"
~ Trump on ruling he doesn't like

so these Supreme Court judges aren't going by the law, they just corruptly ruled against him as they don't like him... just like EVERY other judge who has ruled against him, they are all corrupt (...or Mexican)
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Jun 18 16:14:23
http://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1273670350195363840
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 16:31:56
Fuck it tw, I'll do you a solid.

"Mr Bender: You've commented on Biden's mask a few times, and a couple of reporters who wear masks. Do you view that as a protest of you? Do you feel like people wear masks to show their disapproval of you?

Mr Trump: It could be, yeah. It could be. But it could also be they feel better about it. I mean, I'm okay with it. Look, I'm okay with it. But the mask is a double-edged sword and I see it. People come in, they're talking through the mask for hours. They probably dont clean them after, you know, they get a little cocky, right? Then they take the mask, they put their finger on the mask, and they take them off, and then they start touching their eyes and touching their nose and their mouth. And then they don't know how the caught it.

*Bender asks a question about masks potentially providing a false sense of security and Trump provides a similar answer as before*

Mr Bender: So it's okay if your supporters wear masks at the rally?

Mr Trump: Absolutely. They can wear them or not. I want them to be happy. We're going to have a good time. Yeah, I want them to be happy."

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 18 17:00:53
a fit president: "they should wear the masks as my administration recommends... as i'm part of the administration & not constantly contradicted & criticized by members of it..."

although a fit president also wouldn't be holding the rally w/ the expressed intent of not having any distancing

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 18 17:01:47
also in the WSJ interview supposedly... about his disgraceful church photo op after gassing away peaceful Americans:

“You have people screaming all over the place, and I didn’t think it was exactly the right time to pray — I’m on the sidewalk.”

so he totally wanted to pray...

he can't just say 'i didn't go there to pray'... constant fucking liar
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 01:23:13
i'm sure this was a hard-hitting interview:

http://twitter.com/thehill/status/1273843199434506241

it's great how they separated his business from the presidency
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 02:10:55
apparently another nugget from that WSJ interview... on the ramp:

“So I’m going to go real easy. So I did. And then the last 10 feet I ran down,” said Trump. “They always stop it just before I ran, they always stop it.
...If you would have seen this ramp, it was like an ice skating rink.”
~ PATHETIC lying child

jesus fuck, the full video is there...'they' don't always stop it... there is no running the last 10 feet... & i guarantee it was not like an ice skating rink

...plus there's a guy w/ a blue tie you can see at start and end who seemed to have no difficulty

the non-stopped video:
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1271902553417138176

severe mental illness
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Jun 19 05:59:38
http://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1273736230174425089
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 07:29:12
Twitter slapped a misinformation label on what was clearly a parody video that Trump posted.

Thanks Twitter. We really needed the clarification there that CNN was not, in fact, reporting that racist Trump-voting toddlers are chasing down black babies.

Revoke 230 already.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 07:55:25
And as tw himself notes, Facebook took down a Trump ad for containing "hate" imagery - namely, a generic red triangle.

Of course, he failed to condemn such a blatant example of speech suppression during an election campaign.

Are you okay with the mass censorship being imposed on America by the left tw? Because a lot of people arent, and that's how you get a second Trump term.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:05:21
"Facebook took down a Trump ad for containing "hate" imagery - namely, a generic red triangle."

Man, Nazis really do get their panties in a wad when you call them out.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:38:32
If red triangles are completely associated with Nazis, then maybe antifa should stop including them on their flags?

This whole story of course assumes that a) the Trump campaign was intentionally engaging in dog whistling to racist followers with explicit Nazi imagery, and b) there's more than ten people in this entire country who even knew that symbol was used in concentration camps in the first place.

Incidentally, you know who else uses the red triangle? Facebook itself, because its one of their fucking emojis.

http://www.emoji.co.uk/view/12163/

(Also, the "ok" hand sign is also an emoji, despite it being a certified symbol of hate...maybe the leftists are on to something when they say that Facebook is an enabler of bigotry)
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:45:47
"If red triangles are completely associated with Nazis, then maybe antifa should stop including them on their flags?"

He says without evidence. And I googled. After filtering out this week from google search results, I came up with exactly 1 source for this "antifa symbol" and it certainly wasn't on a flag.


"Trump campaign was intentionally engaging in dog whistling to racist followers with explicit Nazi imagery"

It's been happening for 4 years. Recall, "good people on both sides" of a fucking Nazi rally.


"there's more than ten people in this entire country who even knew that symbol was used in concentration camps in the first place."

How quickly did the ((())) shit swim around the internet? This is a retardedly and purposely naive argument that is completely devoid of merit. It's really fucking easy to get the word out.


More panty wadding, though. Not at all surprising.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:56:42
Hood as usual unquestionably swallowing the MSM narrative. Here's some context for the "very fine people" quote, not that you'll give a shit:



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In Context: Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks (transcript)
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President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower on Aug. 15, 2017 in New York. (AP)President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower on Aug. 15, 2017 in New York. (AP)
President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower on Aug. 15, 2017 in New York. (AP)


Angie Drobnic Holan
By Angie Drobnic Holan
April 26, 2019

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastructure permitting. Reporters shortly began asking questions about Trump’s initial response to violent protests in Charlottesville, Va. It was at this press conference that Trump said that "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

On April 25, 2019, former Vice President Joe Biden declared his 2020 candidacy for the Democratic nomination and the presidency by recalling the events in Charlottesville and Trump’s comments. "With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it," Biden said.

The next day, Trump responded, saying "If you look at what I said, you will see that that question was answered perfectly. And I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general. Whether you like it or not, he was one of the great generals." Trump also said he would defeat Biden "very easily."

We wanted to look at Trump’s comments in their original context. Here is a transcript of the questions Trump answered that addressed the Charlottesville controversy in the days after it happened. (His specific remarks about "very fine people, on both sides" come in the final third of the transcript.)

• • •

Reporter: "Let me ask you, Mr. President, why did you wait so long to blast neo-Nazis?"

Trump: "I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long."

Reporter: "Forty-eight hours."

Trump: "I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct -- not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the facts. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still don’t know the facts. And it’s a very, very important process to me, and it’s a very important statement.

"So I don’t want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to --

Reporter: "So you had to (inaudible) white supremacists?"

Trump: "I brought it. I brought it. I brought it."

Reporter: "Was it terrorism, in your opinion, what happened?"

Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America. And then it went on from there. Now, here’s the thing --"

Reporter: (Inaudible)

Trump: "Excuse me. Excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Here’s the thing: When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didn’t even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened.

"Before I make a statement, I need the facts. So I don’t want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman, who I hear was a fantastic young woman, and it was on NBC -- her mother wrote me and said through, I guess, Twitter, social media, the nicest things. And I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine -- really, actually, an incredible young woman. But her mother, on Twitter, thanked me for what I said.

"And honestly, if the press were not fake, and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you, and unlike -- excuse me, unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement, I like to know the facts."

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "The CEO of Walmart said you missed a critical opportunity to help bring the country together. Did you?"

Trump: "Not at all. I think the country -- look, you take a look. I’ve created over a million jobs since I’m President. The country is booming. The stock market is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers we’ve ever had in the history of our country. We’re doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm. So the head of Walmart, who I know -- who’s a very nice guy -- was making a political statement. I mean -- I’d do it the same way. And you know why? Because I want to make sure, when I make a statement, that the statement is correct. And there was no way -- there was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters. Unlike a lot of reporters --

Reporter: "Nazis were there."

Reporter: "David Duke was there."

Trump: "I didn’t know David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts. And the facts, as they started coming out, were very well stated. In fact, everybody said, ‘His statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good.’ I couldn’t have made it sooner because I didn’t know all of the facts. Frankly, people still don’t know all of the facts.

"It was very important -- excuse me, excuse me -- it was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly. Because if I would have made a fast statement -- and the first statement was made without knowing much, other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made after, with knowledge, with great knowledge. There are still things -- excuse me -- there are still things that people don’t know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I wanted to know the facts."

Reporter: "Two questions. Was this terrorism? And can you tell us how you’re feeling about your chief strategist, Stephen Bannon?"

Trump: "Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and this country. And that is -- you can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That’s what I’d call it. Because there is a question: Is it murder? Is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer. And what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing.

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "Can you tell us broadly what your -- do you still have confidence in Steve?"

Trump: "Well, we’ll see. Look, look -- I like Mr. Bannon. He’s a friend of mine. But Mr. Bannon came on very late. You know that. I went through 17 senators, governors, and I won all the primaries. Mr. Bannon came on very much later than that. And I like him, he’s a good man. He is not a racist, I can tell you that. He’s a good person. He actually gets very unfair press in that regard. But we’ll see what happens with Mr. Bannon. But he’s a good person, and I think the press treats him, frankly, very unfairly."

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "Sen. (John) McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville."

Trump: "Well, I don’t know. I can’t tell you. I’m sure Senator McCain must know what he’s talking about. But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead."

Reporter: "Well, I’m saying, as Senator --"

Trump: "No, define it for me. Come on, let’s go. Define it for me."

Reporter: "Senator McCain defined them as the same group --"

Trump: "Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at -- excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

"Let me ask you this: What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do. As far as I’m concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day. Wait a minute. I’m not finished. I’m not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day --

" I will tell you something. I watched those very closely -- much more closely than you people watched it. And you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in, without a permit, and they were very, very violent."

Reporter: "Do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?"

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

"So this week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

"But they were there to protest -- excuse me, if you take a look, the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead."

Reporter: "Should the statues of Robert E. Lee stay up?"

Trump: "I would say that’s up to a local town, community, or the federal government, depending on where it is located."

Reporter: "How concerned are you about race relations in America? And do you think things have gotten worse or better since you took office?"

Trump: "I think they’ve gotten better or the same. Look, they’ve been frayed for a long time. And you can ask President Obama about that, because he’d make speeches about it. But I believe that the fact that I brought in -- it will be soon -- millions of jobs -- you see where companies are moving back into our country -- I think that’s going to have a tremendous, positive impact on race relations.

"We have companies coming back into our country. We have two car companies that just announced. We have Foxconn in Wisconsin just announced. We have many companies, I say, pouring back into the country. I think that’s going to have a huge, positive impact on race relations. You know why? It’s jobs. What people want now, they want jobs. They want great jobs with good pay, and when they have that, you watch how race relations will be.

"And I’ll tell you, we’re spending a lot of money on the inner cities. We’re fixing the inner cities. We’re doing far more than anybody has done with respect to the inner cities. It’s a priority for me, and it’s very important."

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"Trump: So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Eat a dick you fucking fag.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:56:45
Hood as usual unquestionably swallowing the MSM narrative. Here's some context for the "very fine people" quote, not that you'll give a shit:



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In Context: Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks (transcript)
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President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower on Aug. 15, 2017 in New York. (AP)President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower on Aug. 15, 2017 in New York. (AP)
President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower on Aug. 15, 2017 in New York. (AP)


Angie Drobnic Holan
By Angie Drobnic Holan
April 26, 2019

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastructure permitting. Reporters shortly began asking questions about Trump’s initial response to violent protests in Charlottesville, Va. It was at this press conference that Trump said that "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

On April 25, 2019, former Vice President Joe Biden declared his 2020 candidacy for the Democratic nomination and the presidency by recalling the events in Charlottesville and Trump’s comments. "With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it," Biden said.

The next day, Trump responded, saying "If you look at what I said, you will see that that question was answered perfectly. And I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general. Whether you like it or not, he was one of the great generals." Trump also said he would defeat Biden "very easily."

We wanted to look at Trump’s comments in their original context. Here is a transcript of the questions Trump answered that addressed the Charlottesville controversy in the days after it happened. (His specific remarks about "very fine people, on both sides" come in the final third of the transcript.)

• • •

Reporter: "Let me ask you, Mr. President, why did you wait so long to blast neo-Nazis?"

Trump: "I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long."

Reporter: "Forty-eight hours."

Trump: "I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct -- not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the facts. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still don’t know the facts. And it’s a very, very important process to me, and it’s a very important statement.

"So I don’t want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to --

Reporter: "So you had to (inaudible) white supremacists?"

Trump: "I brought it. I brought it. I brought it."

Reporter: "Was it terrorism, in your opinion, what happened?"

Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America. And then it went on from there. Now, here’s the thing --"

Reporter: (Inaudible)

Trump: "Excuse me. Excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Here’s the thing: When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didn’t even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened.

"Before I make a statement, I need the facts. So I don’t want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman, who I hear was a fantastic young woman, and it was on NBC -- her mother wrote me and said through, I guess, Twitter, social media, the nicest things. And I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine -- really, actually, an incredible young woman. But her mother, on Twitter, thanked me for what I said.

"And honestly, if the press were not fake, and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you, and unlike -- excuse me, unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement, I like to know the facts."

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "The CEO of Walmart said you missed a critical opportunity to help bring the country together. Did you?"

Trump: "Not at all. I think the country -- look, you take a look. I’ve created over a million jobs since I’m President. The country is booming. The stock market is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers we’ve ever had in the history of our country. We’re doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm. So the head of Walmart, who I know -- who’s a very nice guy -- was making a political statement. I mean -- I’d do it the same way. And you know why? Because I want to make sure, when I make a statement, that the statement is correct. And there was no way -- there was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters. Unlike a lot of reporters --

Reporter: "Nazis were there."

Reporter: "David Duke was there."

Trump: "I didn’t know David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts. And the facts, as they started coming out, were very well stated. In fact, everybody said, ‘His statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good.’ I couldn’t have made it sooner because I didn’t know all of the facts. Frankly, people still don’t know all of the facts.

"It was very important -- excuse me, excuse me -- it was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly. Because if I would have made a fast statement -- and the first statement was made without knowing much, other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made after, with knowledge, with great knowledge. There are still things -- excuse me -- there are still things that people don’t know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I wanted to know the facts."

Reporter: "Two questions. Was this terrorism? And can you tell us how you’re feeling about your chief strategist, Stephen Bannon?"

Trump: "Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and this country. And that is -- you can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That’s what I’d call it. Because there is a question: Is it murder? Is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer. And what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing.

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "Can you tell us broadly what your -- do you still have confidence in Steve?"

Trump: "Well, we’ll see. Look, look -- I like Mr. Bannon. He’s a friend of mine. But Mr. Bannon came on very late. You know that. I went through 17 senators, governors, and I won all the primaries. Mr. Bannon came on very much later than that. And I like him, he’s a good man. He is not a racist, I can tell you that. He’s a good person. He actually gets very unfair press in that regard. But we’ll see what happens with Mr. Bannon. But he’s a good person, and I think the press treats him, frankly, very unfairly."

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "Sen. (John) McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville."

Trump: "Well, I don’t know. I can’t tell you. I’m sure Senator McCain must know what he’s talking about. But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead."

Reporter: "Well, I’m saying, as Senator --"

Trump: "No, define it for me. Come on, let’s go. Define it for me."

Reporter: "Senator McCain defined them as the same group --"

Trump: "Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at -- excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

"Let me ask you this: What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do. As far as I’m concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day. Wait a minute. I’m not finished. I’m not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day --

" I will tell you something. I watched those very closely -- much more closely than you people watched it. And you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in, without a permit, and they were very, very violent."

Reporter: "Do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?"

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

"So this week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

"But they were there to protest -- excuse me, if you take a look, the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead."

Reporter: "Should the statues of Robert E. Lee stay up?"

Trump: "I would say that’s up to a local town, community, or the federal government, depending on where it is located."

Reporter: "How concerned are you about race relations in America? And do you think things have gotten worse or better since you took office?"

Trump: "I think they’ve gotten better or the same. Look, they’ve been frayed for a long time. And you can ask President Obama about that, because he’d make speeches about it. But I believe that the fact that I brought in -- it will be soon -- millions of jobs -- you see where companies are moving back into our country -- I think that’s going to have a tremendous, positive impact on race relations.

"We have companies coming back into our country. We have two car companies that just announced. We have Foxconn in Wisconsin just announced. We have many companies, I say, pouring back into the country. I think that’s going to have a huge, positive impact on race relations. You know why? It’s jobs. What people want now, they want jobs. They want great jobs with good pay, and when they have that, you watch how race relations will be.

"And I’ll tell you, we’re spending a lot of money on the inner cities. We’re fixing the inner cities. We’re doing far more than anybody has done with respect to the inner cities. It’s a priority for me, and it’s very important."

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"Trump: So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Eat a dick you fucking fag.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:00:31
Yes, I was well aware of the context before you decided to ragepost a duplicate. The context of Trump saying that there were fine people on both sides of a nazi rally; i.e. that there are some very fine Nazis.

You'd think a nazi with one foot out of the closet wouldn't be quite so venomous at being called out for what they are.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:01:34
Ragepost? Lol you literally arent worth the time I'd normally take to edit out the extraneous parts.

You're pathetic Hood.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:07:26
When rugian goes full hot rod and then calls someone else pathetic. Have you heard of projection?
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:09:36
Hot Rod in his final, Fox News-addled days was still way more capable of independent thought than your commie ass.
smart dude
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:10:46
^cuck
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 12:04:14
you say people don't know the red triangle / nazi prisoner connection, but who knows the red triangle / Antifa connection? (i've never seen it, but i assume Fox has dug up some example)

also i think i'm on record w/ the Jewish community finding anti-semitism in a lot of things i can't see it in

my main complaint was the total bullshit lie text content of the ad... truth is completely out the window... plus Fox should have to do more than apologize for DELIBERATELY misrepresenting Seattle, there's no accident there, there should be firings
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 12:06:17
"
@Fox News is out with another of their phony polls, done by the same group of haters that got it even more wrong in 2016. Watch what happens in November. Fox is terrible!
"
~ pathetic child

(their poll had Trump at 38% to Biden 50%)

why can't the fake news use the poll in Trump's head!!!!

like this one that he tweeted yet again:
"
96% Approval Rating in the Republican Party. Thank you!
"
they really take that poll often... i guess easy when it's just 1 person
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 12:24:15
also, the warning on Trump's fake CNN video post is warranted... he goes to great effort to claim CNN is fake news, and the actually proven fake news of Fox News assists his efforts

i'm certain you could find fans of his who would believe that was real video, they are proven to be -extremely- gullible
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 12:29:04
like this woman...

"
A woman interviewed on Fox just now waiting outside the BOK Center in Tulsa said tomorrow’s event will be her 36th Trump rally and 19th state — her first in Oklahoma.
"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 12:34:01
"
Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!
"
~ dictator

one of those nouns is not like the others (to non-dictators)
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 12:42:07
Tw

You sure about that?

http://youtu.be/Y1mxJMIIMuE
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 12:42:36
And no, we dont need warnings that 1 year olds arent voters. Come on dude.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 16:38:47
"mostly a protest" means >50% is a protest, and some amount (>0%, <50%) is NOT a protest... which was an accurate comment


unlike Fox having to photoshop together images or use old video to make things look worse than they are, which is NOT accurate, in fact -deliberately- misleading
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 16:47:09
more abuse by Trump of his gullible idiot cultists:
(a team Trump text going out)

http://pbs...sAMQ8GZ?format=jpg&name=medium

to which Norm Eisen claims:
"
This is 18 USC 1343 wire fraud by Trump campaign

No way the other 99 really replied, so all elements are met

1)scheme to defraud 2) with intent to defraud & 3) foreseeable & actual use of interstate wire comms.

Barr won't investigate, but states can under analogous state crimes


These are the kinds of fraudulent marketing techniques that Trump has used since the beginning of his career -- and that led to outcomes like the huge Trump U. fraud settlement the shuttering of his charity by NY State.

I ain't kidding when I say it is likely actionable.
"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 16:58:45
i went to see what the Trump 100 club even is...
found this donation website:

"
President Trump only chose 100 Patriots to join his prestigious Trump 100 Club, and YOU were one of them.

We can only hold your spot until 11:59 PM TONIGHT, so don't wait to join.

Please contribute ANY AMOUNT by 11:59 PM TONIGHT to join the Trump 100 Club!
"

wow, he made a terrible picking me... the only <=99 other members will have to wait til tomorrow for another applicant

a fraud to the core
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 17:47:56
how Trump participates
http://twitter.com/therecount/status/1273738328702156805
must've been very difficult for him without a TV around

also, can anyone identify/explain the lid on his glass? some kind of sippy cup?
kargen
Member
Fri Jun 19 18:47:11
I think the link you provided is a scam site trying to appear to be the Winred site. When you go to the actual Winred site the address is different and the background photo is different.

Winred is an RNC site that was set up to compete with the DNC site Actblue because of how successful the Democrats were in getting small contributions over the internet. The money goes to the RNC not to any one candidate.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 19:10:20
i didn't provide a link

the one i went to looks like the real one to me, please provide a more real one than:

http://secure.winred.com/djt/trump-100-club/

& the one in the text message is a different fraud variation saying you only have an hour to claim your spot as one of the 100 people in that prestigious club (rather than midnight)

a two-bit conman
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 19:55:48
and I notice it's also pre-checked to become a monthly donation, and pre-checked for a bullshit thing to be an additional quarterly donation...

and since $2800 is one option, you'd be violating donation laws afaik

however you may be right about it being a general RNC fund as it only says 'it will benefit Trump' so may not even go to his campaign

so heaps more fraud for the proven gullible cultists thinking they are donating to Trump and possibly thinking joining a prestigious club (yes there would be people that stupid, why else is all that fraud text there)

kargen
Member
Fri Jun 19 22:01:56
http://sec...de-history?sc=winred-directory

That is what you see if you go to the winred site then click to donate to Trump.

I followed the link in the jpg that you posted.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 22:15:38
your link: secure.winred.com/djt/ ...
my link: secure.winred.com/djt/ ...

it's the same site, obviously they can have more than one fraud version sub-site... it wouldn't make sense to say "President Trump only chose 100 Patriots to join his prestigious Trump 100 Club, and YOU were one of them" if you're just going to the site on your own to donate

that specialized one is sent out via the wire fraud text messages to any idiot who gets on their mailing list (like by being one of the alleged million signing up to attend a 19,000 capacity rally)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 22:34:07
so Trump is trying to fire the US attorney for the Southern District of New York who investigated Michael Cohen & is currently investigating Rudy Giuliani... & Lev Parnas... & probably Trump too

how corrupt will R's let Trump be?
my prediction: as corrupt as he wants

the guy is refusing to go though, put out this statement (image, can't copy/paste):
http://pbs...X0AAOrP3?format=jpg&name=large
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 19 22:53:14
...would also be handy to career criminal Trump to install a lackey there in case he loses the election & returns to his fraud tower business
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 20 01:02:55
also of note, clearly corrupt AG Barr put out a statement saying that attorney was "stepping down" (a lie) plus released it late on a Friday

a clear effort to try to keep this corruption hidden
smart dude
Member
Sat Jun 20 07:19:25
Was going to start a new thread about this because it's pretty massive (just like Obese Barr) but I didnt because every single goddamn story about trump and his administration just blends into the background anyway, so who cares about this next week?

But yeah, this is a bug story and I hope Billy Fatass Barr hangs for it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 20 11:53:05
"
If you’d forgotten re Barr’s torpedoing and white washing the results of Mueller investigation, this should serve as yet another reminder that Bill Barr is not the nation’s top lawyer. He is Trump’s advocate, an accomplice to Trump’s corruption and abuse of power. Repulsive.
"
~Ana Navarro (pre-Trump Republican)

it's provable Barr deliberately misled about Mueller
(just like it was provable Trump sided w/ Putin over our intel agencies, & then provably lied to all of us w/ his one word change idiocy)

yet people ignored their provable bullshit lies & moved on to the next outrage

neither of those should ever have been moved on from
Rugian
Member
Sat Jun 20 12:00:59
Anyone who voted for Hillary in 2016 is lying about ever being a Republican. And I can't believe you are still obsessing over the Russian conspiracy theory, when the entire rest of the world knows it's bullshit and moved on from it years ago.

But why should that surprise me. You still haven't accepted the result of the 2016 election in the first place.

You're not qualified to provide objective analysis of Trump or anyone else in his administration. Just stop it.
Rugian
Member
Sat Jun 20 12:03:47
"Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
1h
BIG COURT WIN against Bolton. Obviously, with the book already given out and leaked to many people and the media, nothing the highly respected Judge could have done about stopping it...BUT, strong & powerful statements & rulings on MONEY & on BREAKING CLASSIFICATION were made....

....Bolton broke the law and has been called out and rebuked for so doing, with a really big price to pay. He likes dropping bombs on people, and killing them. Now he will have bombs dropped on him!"

Oh my god, Trump just called for bombs to be dropped on Bolton. This is an incitement to violence and we need to have this censored immediately! - CNN and TW, probably
smart dude
Member
Sat Jun 20 12:07:29
^orphan cuck
Rugian
Member
Sat Jun 20 12:08:10
^ You know, I was just mocking TW for his "Trump voters might take the CNN video literally" angle there, but in looking at the replies to that tweet...

"David Leavitt
@David_Leavitt
Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
The president of the United States just threatened to have a bomb dropped on an individual citizen.

A death threat.

From the president."

"Holly Figueroa O'Reilly
@AynRandPaulRyan
·
56m
Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
Report this gaslighting dickcheese for threats of violence against a political opponent.

PS, you shambolic, syphilitic chode: YOU LOST."

"David Weissman
@davidmweissman
·
1h
Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
@jack how is this threat allowed on twitter? Tweet reported."

"Jules Morgan
@glamelegance
·
1h
Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
Here we go again, Donald Trump is using Twitter to threaten his perceived enemies.
Flushed face"

"Lesley Abravanel
Squared sos
@lesleyabravanel
·
1h
Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
Bombs dropped on **him** for revealing your gross negligence, idiocy, bigotry and incompetence? Are you making yet another threat? @Jack, you up?"

lmao. TDS has turned people with TW's mentality completely insane
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 20 12:08:50
"obsessing over the Russian conspiracy theory"

NO, i'm obsessing over the President of the United States siding with Putin over our intel agencies... an absolutely absurd & grossly unfit thing to do

(& Russia DID interfere in the election, that has NOT been disproven in any way)

as to Trump's retarded 'BIG WIN' tweet, it was a 'BIG LOSS' as they wanted the book stopped & it wasn't (although he does succeed in intimidating others from revealing his incompetence so for the dictator & America-hating Trump fans it's good i guess)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 20 12:10:18

that corrupt Bill Barr statement on the attorney 'stepping down' was put out around 9pm (Friday) for the record...

obvious corruption
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 20 12:46:57
Trump rallygoer sans mask: “We had a friend who died from Covid, and his son was on a ventilator, he almost died. So we know it’s real, but then at the same time you don’t know what the facts are, you feel like maybe one side plays it one way and the other side plays it another.”

http://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1274355082402955269

"at the same time you don’t know what the facts are"... and you NEVER will as a gullible idiot Trump fan...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 20 15:10:21
well since Trump's ploy to use Barr to secretly remove that US attorney didn't work, Trump has fired him directly... i look forward to their bullshit reasons

reminiscent of Comey, when they asked Rosenstein to write a memo about Comey & tried to use that as the rationale to fire Comey when it was all just Trump wanting to obstruct justice

Barr (further) confirmed to be corrupt
Trump (further) confirmed to be corrupt
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 20 15:19:03
wow, the incompetence & deceit continues...

Trump spoke w/ reporters a moment ago & claimed he had "nothing" to do w/ the firing of the US attorney & it was all Barr

Barr however already released a letter saying Trump fired the guy

so again, just like Comey, the moron unable to get on the same page of his co-conspirators (and lying to the faces of all Americans... yet again)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 21 17:54:19
"
In an Oval Office interview on Friday afternoon, President Trump told me that he held off on imposing Treasury sanctions against Chinese officials involved with the Xinjiang mass detention camps because doing so would have interfered with his trade deal with Beijing.
"
[includes his standard idiot-speak comments]

http://www...f4-42bd-bdbd-c30f4d2ffa21.html

but i'm sure his fans don't care about America having values any more
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 21 18:10:45
and fairly obvious Bolton was telling truth that Trump was fine w/ those concentration camps (just like he didn't care how China handled Hong Kong protesters)

as with environmental concerns, Trump never has human rights concerns

all that ever matters is business deals & (fraudulently) making himself look good
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 11:50:23
"
Because of MAIL-IN BALLOTS, 2020 will be the most RIGGED Election in our nations history - unless this stupidity is ended. We voted during World War One & World War Two with no problem, but now they are using Covid in order to cheat by using Mail-Ins!
"
"
RIGGED 2020 ELECTION: MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WILL BE PRINTED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES, AND OTHERS. IT WILL BE THE SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES!
"
~ anti-American idiot fraud child dictator
jergul
large member
Mon Jun 22 11:53:34
Legitimate elections during the world wars were possible only though the use of mail in ballots from the US military.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 15:04:28
awww, Kellyanne Conway is on video saying "Kung Flu" is racist back when there was allegations of a White House staffer using it & then Trump went & said it at the rally

how awkward for the total piece of shit snake liar...
Dakyron
Member
Mon Jun 22 15:09:01
Trump has been harsher with China than any other president, including Obama the appeaser, but I look forward to Biden sanctioning the Chinese over Xinjiang.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 16:28:37
"Trump has been harsher with China than any other president"

on just trade (+ blaming them on virus, but probably won't do anything as all China has to do is tell him it will hurt the trade talks... that's kept him cowed on all other concerns)

he doesn't care about their expansion or abuses or being evil soulless monsters
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 16:30:21
some more good mockery

http://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1275160183598186496
Rugian
Member
Mon Jun 22 16:44:16
"he doesn't care about their expansion or abuses or being evil soulless monsters"

Neither has any president since Nixon. What's your point?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 16:53:56
i'll take your word for it that they took no action, but i'm sure they didn't praise & suck up to the Chinese leader how Trump does

he was even praising Xi over handling of the virus until he needed someone to blame for his failure w/ it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 16:59:35
more tidbits on Trump's clear gross abuse of power & corruption regarding that US Attorney for the SDNY

this was known before when it happened, but the guy they just ousted had been personally interviewed by Trump for the job (which is highly unusual)... which was after the prior guy wasn't showing enough friendliness to Trump (Trump was calling him, & the guy found it inappropriate... hmm, just like Comey in fact)

and the new guy he wants installed is a golf buddy (& has NO experience as a prosecutor as i noted before)

there's simply no way this isn't blatant corruption... the mob boss wants to install an unqualified friend as the US attorney who has jurisdiction over his criminal enterprise
Rugian
Member
Mon Jun 22 17:44:13
Wasn't Preet Bharara's dismissal part of a mass layoff of Obama's attorneys? Or are you arguing that the other 40 something attorneys were let go just to provide cover Trump's sInIsTeR fIrInG oF BhArArA?

Also, if the Berman firing is a hack job, then the timing is really odd...let the guy stay in office for two years, then fire him five months before the election...also firing him doesn't equal termination of his cases.

Why must every single thing Trump does be a national scandal to you?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 17:45:35
...also, they had offered the current guy (who wasn't playing ball well enough i guess) a different gov't job so they can't claim he was doing a bad job, not sure they've provided any explanation yet at all... takes awhile for them to come up with their lies

Barr should be impeached
Trump should be imprisoned
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 17:50:31
"Wasn't Preet Bharara's dismissal part of a mass layoff"
Preet was told by Trump he'd be keeping that job... then Preet wasn't returning all of Trump's calls... then Preet was fired

then Trump personally interviewed the replacement, who was a Trump donor... (the guy now fired probably as he was investigating Trump & his allies)

---------------

"the timing is really odd... five months before the election"

the timing makes perfect sense... Trump is losing badly in the polls so he may soon be back at the helm of his criminal organization... plus he may be nervous about walking out of the office and into handcuffs as he knows he'd been protected by the 'can't indict a sitting president' & doesn't know what cases could be lurking from that attorney's office

-----------

"also firing him doesn't equal termination of his cases"

it doesn't... yet trying to appoint a golf buddy w/ no experience would certainly be quite helpful


please provide a better explanation, they sure haven't
Rugian
Member
Mon Jun 22 17:55:37
- So out of all of the remaining Obama attorneys, this guy was initially going to be allowed to stay on? Why?

- A call, not "all of Trump's calls"

- If Trump's truly afraid of losing and being indicted for crimes (he isn't), firing an attorney now isn't going to do anything to stop the investigations from resuming in January

- If "golf buddy" (I have no idea who this guy is so I'm taking your characterization of him on faith) really started shutting down investigations, the SDNY would very publicly revolt over it
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