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Habebe
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Wed Jun 17 04:54:19
http://www...to-vote-on-dc-statehood-322516

Pelosi is pushing this due.to the floyd issue



Never let a crisis go to waste, right?
Habebe
Member
Wed Jun 17 04:56:23

POLITICO

CONGRESS

House to vote on historic D.C. statehood bill next week
“This is not just an issue of local governance and fairness, it is a major civil rights issue as well,” says Steny Hoyer.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi speaks Tuesday at a news conference on District of Columbia statehood on Capitol Hill.

By HEATHER CAYGLE

06/16/2020 12:45 PM EDT

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The House is poised to pass a D.C. statehood bill next week — the first time in U.S. history either chamber will approve legislation granting the District full representation and voting rights in Congress.

In announcing the historic vote Tuesday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer cheered the move as a victory for black residents in particular, as the nation undergoes a racial justice reckoning following the death of George Floyd at the hands of police on May 25.


“This is not just an issue of local governance and fairness, it is a major civil rights issue as well,” Hoyer (D-Md.) said. “This was an appropriate time to bring a bill forward to show respect for the citizens of the District of Columbia of whatever color, but also to show respect to a city that has a very large African American population.”

The District has long been predominantly black, although the demographics have shifted significantly in recent years due to rapid gentrification and white residents moving into the city.

The House will vote on the legislation June 26, one day after it considers a sweeping police reform bill that Democrats’ put together in the wake of Floyd’s death and the nationwide unrest that followed.

While the bill already has enough Democratic cosponsors to pass the House, it is expected to go nowhere in the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has expressed staunch opposition to D.C. statehood and even compared it to “full bore socialism” in an interview last year.


President Donald Trump has also dismissed the idea, saying Republicans would be “very, very stupid” to grant D.C. statehood because of the District’s overwhelmingly Democratic leanings.

“So we can have two more Democratic — Democrat senators and five more congressmen? No thank you. That’ll never happen,” Trump told the New York Post last month.

The House has considered D.C. statehood before, with a failed floor vote in 1993. Since then, there have been occasional rumblings about making the District the 51st state but no concrete action until Democrats took back the House and held the chamber’s first hearing on the issue in more than 25 years in September.

But Democratic leaders said it’s even more important to put the bill on the floor now, especially after peaceful protesters were violently cleared from LaFayette Square by National Guard troops for a presidential photo op earlier this month.


"For more than two centuries, the residents of Washington D.C., the District of Columbia, have been denied their right to fully participate in their democracy," Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Tuesday. "And in recent days, we have seen a disturbing physical manifestation of that injustice when federal agents and out of state National Guard troops were deployed against peaceful protesters in the District without residents' approval."

Trump attacked D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser on Twitter after the incident and threatened to deploy more federal troops in the nation's capital.

“Statehood fixes it all. And now, the American people have a clear idea of what can happen without it,” Bowser said at the news conference on Tuesday.

Eleanor Holmes Norton currently represents the District as a nonvoting delegate. But if it were granted statehood, its citizens would be represented by two senators and one representative in the House, not five as Trump incorrectly speculated.

“For the first time, statehood will put an end to our oldest slogan — ‘taxation without representation,'” Holmes Norton said Tuesday, noting the city's residents pay the highest federal taxes per capita and yet don’t have voting representatives in Congress.

“Statehood ensures that living in the nation’s capital is about pride, not prejudice,” she added.

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Dakyron
Member
Wed Jun 17 14:46:49
Originally DC was not a state because congress is not supposed to favor any one state. I think this still applies, although its hard to really give a shit considering how terrible our representation is anyway, particularly in the senate.
Dakyron
Member
Wed Jun 17 14:47:52
But yeah, this is a blatant attempt to grab two extra senate seats by the democratic party, using BLM as an excuse. I imagine Trump vetoes it should it ever pass, as a final fuck you to D.C.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jun 17 18:50:53
Yeah, Now im all fairness though. We both know the Republican opposition to this isn't any noble ideal either.

At least Trump tells the truth about being an unapologetic asshole.
sam adams
Member
Wed Jun 17 19:27:36
The only way this can happen is if rural portions of a dem state... say oregon... get their own state to counterbalance the new dem state.

Otherwise its DOA
Habebe
Member
Wed Jun 17 19:35:41
Tbh, I'm not entirely sure what all needs to be done to pass them into statehood.
jergul
large member
Wed Jun 17 19:37:16
"The Admission to the Union Clause also forbids the creation of new states from parts of existing states without the consent of both the affected states and Congress."

A joint resolution from Congress is required. So its not a law the president can veto. But the resolution comes into effect by presidential proclamation.
Y2A
Member
Wed Jun 17 20:36:39
"But yeah, this is a blatant attempt to grab two extra senate seats by the democratic party"

so? the reps steal a supreme court justice seat and the dems are supposed to stand there with their dicks in their hands? Also the DC voters are in fact disenfranchised.
Dakyron
Member
Thu Jun 18 15:35:40
"so? the reps steal a supreme court justice seat and the dems are supposed to stand there with their dicks in their hands? Also the DC voters are in fact disenfranchised. "

So they should move to Virginia or Baltimore or some other shithole. Its not like life in DC is fantastic. It consistently rates as one of the worst cities in America in regards to traffic, crime, etc...

They should probably push for PR statehood, or for the Navajo Nation to become its own state.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 18 15:54:17
D akyron, By "etc" you mean pretty much everything.


It would seem odd to have a state as the capital. If they get statehood we move the capital. Perhaps back to Philly.

Also Alaska votes twice.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 18 15:55:30
Of Puerto Rico wouldn't be a demlock Id say grant them statehood.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 18 16:01:23
Or really what we need to do os give PR a mini marshal plan , ut without using local politicians as they have proven time and time again as inept, even more so than our mainland ones.

Make PR into Hawaii 2.0
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 16:12:14
Ignoring the principles about why DC statehood is a dumb idea...50 is a nice round number. Why mess with that?
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 18 16:50:07
The democrats should definitely push through DC statehood next time they control congress and the presidency.

On PR, well, does PR want Statehood? If so, then the democrats should give it to them.

Screw the small time gerrymandering. Might as well do it properely.
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 18 16:52:40
"On May 16, 2020, Governor Wanda Vázquez Garced announced that a referendum on Puerto Rico's statehood will be held in November. For the first time in the territory's history, only one direct question will be asked, as opposed to presenting multiple options such as independence and maintaining the current territorial status. The announcement came amid growing disillusionment with Puerto Rico's territorial status due to the lack of access to federal funds for recent natural disasters, such as the 2019-20 coronavirus outbreak"

Wiki.

Wow. PR could become a State in Febuary 2021.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 16:53:11
DC gets statehood and the next Republican Congress votes to split off West Wyoming as a new state. After Fox News has had a few years' time to plant the seed of the idea in voters' minds of course.

See how that works?
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 16:56:34
And the fun part of this exercise is that, unlike DC, West Wyoming doesnt arguably require a constitutional amendment to become a state.

Oh this could work out quite well.
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 18 16:59:27
Ruggy
When would you ever have a GOP Congress again?
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 17:08:07
Jergul

Seriously? We had one as recently as 2019.

Were you also one of those people saying in 2016 that shifting demographics meant we'd never have another Republican president again?

Democratic president and Congress implied Democratic incumbency. Voters always eventually tire of incumbents.
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 18 17:14:10
Ruggy
Explain to me how you think you had a GOP congress in 2019.

Well, for this to happen, the democrats would need 50 Senate seats, but would gain another 4 on implementation for 54 to 50 minimum.

The additional 9 or so electorate votes are less important, but would still matter by giving the democrats a few small, shitty states to mach the GOPs chokehold on their small shitty states.

In addition to the demographic trends of course. The popular vote most certainly implied you should have had a democratic president in 2020.
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 18 17:14:56
In 2016*
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 17:16:34
"The 115th United States Congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the United States of America federal government, composed of the Senate and the House of Representatives. It met in Washington, D.C. from January 3, 2017, to January 3, 2019, during the final weeks of Barack Obama's presidency and the first two years of Donald Trump's presidency."
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 17:36:14
Jergul

Republicans currently have a +6 advantage in the Senate, what makes you think that +8 is insurmountable?

Yes, I'm aware of the anti-democratic impulses of the left. Between DC statehood, EC abolition, and HB 1, the Dems want to make this the last contested election in American history. And with court packing and filibuster nuking, they want to eliminate the ability of the opposition to check them in any branch of government.

Yet Republicans are the ones who get condemned for voter suppression because they think you should show ID at the polls. Amazing.

Trump 2020, because the alternative is a Kamala-Pelosi dictatorship.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 18 17:42:19
Incidentally, 2024 Senate races involve 10 GOP seats and 23 D/I ones.

2022 could be an ugly year, but things could easily shift in a major way by the next election cycle. Especially if the SJW candidate for president wins this year.and spends the next four infuriating the entirety of Middle America.
kargen
Member
Thu Jun 18 18:24:35
If they wanted to divide the District of Columbia into two pieces they could make part of it a state. The part that includes federal buildings and the immediate surrounding area would need to remain as it is now. Not sure if that can be accomplished or not.
The people deserve representation but the constitution provides for a federal district. To do away with the district entirely would take an amendment to the constitution.
Y2A
Member
Thu Jun 18 19:26:08
we could keep 50 states by forcing north and south Dakota to become the state of Dakota.
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