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Paramount
Member
Wed Jun 17 14:41:48
Trump asked China’s Xi to help him win reelection, according to Bolton book

President Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 U.S. election, telling Xi during a summit dinner last year that increased agricultural purchases by Beijing from American farmers would aid his electoral prospects, according to a damning new account of life inside the Trump administration by former national security adviser John Bolton.

During a one-on-one meeting at the June 2019 Group of 20 summit in Japan, Xi complained to Trump about China critics in the United States. But Bolton writes in a book scheduled to be released next week that “Trump immediately assumed Xi meant the Democrats. Trump said approvingly that there was great hostility among the Democrats.

“He then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability to affect the ongoing campaigns, pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton writes. “He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. I would print Trump’s exact words but the government’s prepublication review process has decided otherwise.”

The episode described by Bolton in his book, “The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir,” bears striking similarities to the actions that resulted in Trump’s impeachment after he sought to pressure the Ukrainian president to help dig up dirt on Democratic rival Joe Biden in exchange for military assistance. The China allegation also comes amid ongoing warnings from U.S. intelligence agencies about foreign election interference in November, as Russia did to favor Trump in 2016.

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The request for electoral assistance from Xi is one of many instances described by Bolton in which Trump seeks favors or approval from authoritarian leaders. Many of those same leaders were also happy to take advantage of the U.S. president and attempt to manipulate him, Bolton writes, often through simplistic appeals to his various obsessions.

http://www...a-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html


Rofl. So now China knows that if they want to hurt Trump they should not buy American agricultural products.
Paramount
Member
Wed Jun 17 14:53:51
Bolton recounts numerous private conversations Trump had with other leaders that revealed the limits of his knowledge. He recalls Trump asking Kelly if Finland is part of Russia. In a meeting with then-British Prime Minister Theresa May in 2018, a British official referred to the United Kingdom as a “nuclear power,” and Trump interjects: “Oh, are you a nuclear power?” Bolton adds that he could tell the question about Britain, which has long maintained a nuclear arsenal, “was not intended as a joke.”

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After Trump completed a phone call with South Korea’s president ahead of the 2018 Singapore summit with North Korea, Pompeo and Bolton shared their disdain for the president’s handling of the conversation, he writes. Pompeo, having listened in on the call from the Middle East, told Bolton he was “having a cardiac arrest in Saudi Arabia.” Bolton shared his similar disappointment with the call, describing it as a “near death experience.”

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He also describes a summer 2019 meeting in New Jersey where Trump says journalists should be jailed so they have to divulge their sources: “These people should be executed. They are scumbags,” Trump said, according to Bolton's account.

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He describes in detail the events leading up to the widely panned Helsinki summit in July 2018, when Trump sided with Putin against U.S. intelligence agencies over Moscow’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.

“This was hardly the way to do relations with Russia, and Putin had to be laughing uproariously at what he had gotten away with in Helsinki,” Bolton writes.

Soon after he arrived at the White House, Bolton said Kelly gave him a warning. “You can’t imagine how desperate I am to get out of here,” Kelly said, according to Bolton’s book. “This is a bad place to work, as you will find out.”

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Throughout the book, he describes Trump and top advisers repeatedly slashing each other, lying to each other and maneuvering to gain advantage.

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At one point, Bolton says he learned that Kushner was going to be calling the finance minister of Turkey because he was also Erdogan’s son-in-law.

“I briefed Pompeo and Mnuchin on this new ‘son-in-law channel’ and they both exploded. Pompeo was furious, Bolton writes, “because this was one more example of Kushner’s doing international negotiations he shouldn’t have been doing (along with the never quite ready Middle East peace plan).”

For extended periods of time, Trump kept telling different advisers they were in charge of border policy, according to Bolton’s book. One day in 2018 in the Oval Office, Kelly purportedly learned that Kushner was calling Mexican authorities when he barged into the Oval Office and said so.
“Why is Jared calling Mexicans?” Kelly asked loudly, according to the book. “Because I asked him to. How else are we going to stop the caravans?” Trump responded.

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In the months following the summit, Bolton described Trump’s inordinate interest in Pompeo delivering an autographed copy of Elton John’s “Rocket Man” on CD to Kim during Pompeo’s follow-on visit to North Korea. Trump had used the term “Little Rocket Man” to criticize the North Korean leader but subsequently tried to convince Kim that it was a term of affection.

“Trump didn’t seem to realize Pompeo hadn’t actually seen Kim Jong Un [during the trip], asking if Pompeo had handed” the CD, wrote Bolton. “Pompeo had not. Getting this CD to Kim remained a high priority for several months.”

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Lol.

Wait... Kushner is Erdogan’s son-in-law?
kargen
Member
Wed Jun 17 15:10:35
"So now China knows that if they want to hurt Trump they should not buy American agricultural products."

If they are just now figuring that out they are at least three years behind. Then again since the Democrats decided Biden was their guy the farmers and ranchers that voted for Trump last time certainly will this time.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 17 15:14:38
Trump also supported concentration camps for the Uyghurs by China

'oh, he's so tough on China!'


but of course Bolton is just disgruntled, so all of this idiocy & tyranny must be lies (even though it sounds exactly like Trump)
The Children
Member
Wed Jun 17 15:31:22
one can never trust crazies like bannon and bolton.

they r whitey supremists and warmongers.

these people r just lookin 4 an excuse 2 start ww3. which is why they got kicked out in the first place.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jun 17 15:59:05
That son-in-law has to be a reference to Trump, not to Erdogan...unless I'm missing something

Anyway, thanks to Trump we know Bolton is a serial liar, so I'm guessing this is all fake news.
hood
Member
Wed Jun 17 16:09:06
"That son-in-law has to be a reference to Trump, not to Erdogan...unless I'm missing something"

................... seriously?

Kushner contacted Ergodan's son-in-law. That son-in-law was the minister of finance. So it was a back alley channel between Trump's son-in-law (Kushner) and Ergodan's son-in-law (minister of finance for Turkey).
Rugian
Member
Wed Jun 17 16:14:25
Oh that's my fault for relying on Paramounts take of it.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jun 17 16:22:40
Okay I'm actually reading through this now.

"One day in 2018 in the Oval Office, Kelly purportedly learned that Kushner was calling Mexican authorities when he barged into the Oval Office and said so.
“Why is Jared calling Mexicans?” Kelly asked loudly,"

I dont know why, but that's pretty funny.
Paramount
Member
Wed Jun 17 16:38:24
It may be funny, but remember that its just lies.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jun 17 18:37:56
"
Kushner contacted Ergodan's son-in-law. That son-in-law was the minister of finance. So it was a back alley channel between Trump's son-in-law (Kushner) and Ergodan's son-in-law (minister of finance for Turkey)."

Kushner should not be trusted with matters of finance. I mean that's like giving guns to the Indians.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jun 17 18:42:09
^Turtle Crawler please censor this post, it is well outside what is politically correct in 2020. It is a form of verbal violence and I have suffered PTSD as a result of reading it.

Also if you dont censor it I will lead a mass media campaign to shame you and drive sponsors away.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jun 17 19:02:54
First and foremost, I would like to apologize to my readers for making comments that amuse me thoroughly.

I am seeking help through a counseling camp to help me concentrate, I just hope that work will set me free.

I am confident that this will be my first and final solution.
Y2A
Member
Wed Jun 17 21:47:17
the clowns cult will deny it like the members of any other cult.
hood
Member
Thu Jun 18 00:11:27
"Oh that's my fault for relying on Paramounts take of it."

Think about the words you said. Think about them real hard. "Paramount's take." The default should be to take the opposite of what he says, much like with dukhat.
Paramount
Member
Thu Jun 18 00:45:25
”Bolton says he learned that Kushner was going to be calling the finance minister of Turkey because he was also Erdogan’s son-in-law”


I guess you can interpret this sentence in different ways.


Bolton says he learned that Kushner was going to be calling the finance minister of Turkey because he [Kushner] was also Erdogan’s son-in-law.

Bolton says he learned that Kushner was going to be calling the finance minister of Turkey because he [the finance minister] was also Erdogan’s son-in-law.
hood
Member
Thu Jun 18 00:48:50
The proper way to interpret pronouns, and to use them, is for a pronoun to refer to the nearest noun used. In this case, "he" would refer to the last male referenced: the finance minister.

Your first interpretation is grammatically wrong 100% of the time.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Jun 24 15:10:58


GOP senator blocked China sanctions bill he supports, at request of White House

Updated: 06/24/2020 03:45 PM EDT

On June 2, Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.) signed on as a co-sponsor of a bill to punish China for undermining Hong Kong’s independence. Two weeks later, he turned around and blocked it — at the request of the White House.

As a result, the bipartisan bill, which imposes mandatory sanctions over China’s continued incursions into Hong Kong’s internal affairs, is stalled on Capitol Hill even as it has broad bipartisan support.

The episode, which had not been previously reported, underscores the uphill battle for Congress’ China hawks as they push the Trump administration to punish Beijing over an array of issues, from Hong Kong to the coronavirus pandemic.

“Even for us, this is dysfunctional,” Cramer acknowledged on Wednesday, a week after he objected to the bill’s unanimous passage on the Senate floor, after a last-minute plea from the Trump administration.
cont

http://www...ks-china-sanctions-bill-338246
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 25 05:11:07
This is actually something I would not make a big deal over.

Trump's negotiating style has always been at a personal level (unless you are peon he is going to screw as a matter of course).

Him placing a deal in the framework of how it benefits him personally is simply a way of indicating that he is serious about making a deal.

It looks awkward and corrupt, but is not really a good example in my mind.

Its just Trump saying whatever he thinks will help him get the deal.

Its easy to conflate with his overriding policies of trump first and making donald great again.

But the example is just a negotiating tactic when looked at in isolation.
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