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sam adams
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Fri Jun 19 00:36:49
Right hood?

http://mob...nYT/status/1273001743203201024
smart dude
Member
Fri Jun 19 01:21:55
Yes. Vote for Trump. Because a black man hit someone with a skateboard. LOL pwn the libs, vote for TRUMP!! 2020.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 07:48:49
Sam proving he doesn't understand how data works.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:14:13
Well, he is using an example of one singular event. Just like George floyd, its not using data arguments.

For example with Floyd the likelihood that chauvin kneeling on his neck and being so rough due to racism is low. Its much more likley a personal issue he had with him as they knew each other coupled with Chauvin probably being overly aggressive in general.

Now a data based argumemt would say that widespread racism in policing in the US is not a data backed argument. Also that black and white cops are just as likely to shoot either a black or a white person.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:39:01
"Now a data based argumemt would say that widespread racism in policing in the US is not a data backed argument."

You gonna back this up with data, or just spout nonsense out of your ass?


"Also that black and white cops are just as likely to shoot either a black or a white person."

The issue is how cops are treating black people, not how WHITE cops are treating black people.


Further,
"chauvin kneeling on his neck and being so rough due to racism is low."

Chauvin treating Floyd like a non-human is entirely due to a learned behavior that taught Chauvin that he could get away with such ridiculously brutal treatment of the people, particularly black people.

And I await with baited breath your posted sources.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 08:57:27
Hood,Well for starters it can be difficult to prove a negative, so I would first ask you what data is there that there is widespread national racism in our policing?

Now with Chauvin, what data do you have that he particularly treated black people in such a manner?

Your the one claiming that same post was due to him not knowing how to use data, and that I am lacking in data in my post and yet, where is your data?
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:06:01
Sam made a claim demonstrating he doesn't understand the difference between anecdote and data. I commented on his retardation.

You made a claim that data somehow absolves the policing in the US of a very clear disparity in how people are treated based on skin color. My response was "prove your claim."

You don't get to sea lion your way into this bullshit. You made a claim, back it the fuck up. Or rather, since you are mini-rod and never bother to source any of the imaginary bullshit that pops into your drug-mangled frontal lobe, it's probably more appropriate to just tell you to get the fuck out with your nonsense, since we all know you aren't going to have any evidence anyway.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:12:05
Ok so basically your argument is that anyone who disagrees with you isnt using data or using properly.However the nonsense you spew is not backed by data.

My whole point was that there is no good evidence supporting the idea of widespread racism in US policing. If you have data howing otherwise please.produce it or shut the fuck up with your constant whining.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:16:37
Feel free to take your time, ive got work that needs attending.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:17:18
Looking at the data set that Hood's been spamming, they claimed there was a decline in crime calls during the NYPD slowdown, which continued for weeks after the NYPD returned to full work. Also they offer very little for possible reasons why.

So we have a singular non-randomized data set that implies correlation but not causation. And Hood is using this to support eliminating police pretenses in cities.

Lol
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:18:04
"My whole point was that there is no good evidence supporting the idea of widespread racism in US policing. If you have data howing otherwise please.produce it or shut the fuck up with your constant whining."

That's not how an argument works. You don't get to just make a claim and then demand that other people prove it for you. If you make the claim, you have to back it up with evidence. When you are incapable, your claim is summarily dismissed as bullshit. For someone who never bothers to provide any evidence whatsoever, I can see how that would be troubling and why you would want to offload the work of proving your statements to someone else.

I'm not your gofer. I don't work for you. I give 0 shits whether you try to properly argue the nonsense you spew. But as I enjoy pointing out your impotence, that is where I will chime in.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:37:56
"If you make the claim, you have to back it up with evidence. "

"Chauvin treating Floyd like a non-human is entirely due to a learned behavior that taught Chauvin that he could get away with such ridiculously brutal treatment of the people, particularly black people."
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 09:40:49
Yes, you made a claim without evidence and I responded. Your claim is still without any evidence for me to provide a proper response to.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jun 19 10:15:49
Holy shit, that was epic of Retard Rod 2.0.

He says the data doesn't support widespread racism in policing and then refuses to provide data to back that up. Wow, just wow.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jun 19 10:16:24
Oh right, and then goes on ask others to provide data. Fucking classic.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jun 19 10:17:36
AND he completely doesn't get that providing evidence that something doesn't exist isn't the same as proving a negative.

Truly Retard Rod 2.0.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 10:26:49
Dick licker woo comes in again and just shows his skill level once again.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jun 19 10:57:31
So go ahead and provide the evidence that has been requested of you. That's what we're asking. Don't hide behind your misunderstanding of the difference between proving a negative and providing evidence that a specific pattern doesn't exist within data.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 11:50:23
You continue to your retardation.

Reread my original post. Im claiming the data doesn't exist.

There is no concrete evidence that displays widespread police racism in relating to police killings. I will not re post his statements again* I already have in this thread.

At least not to my knowledge. All we get is CNN and the msdnc making unsubstantiated claims.

And people belive it. I seem some chick in tears because she said she lives in fear that she would be murdered by police.

Mind you, demographically I am WAY more likley to be killed than her by police.If you would lile I can cite that again from FBI stats, or you can look in the old floyd thread.

Hood however, comes in bitching about citing evidence, and yet cites no evidence.

sam adams
Member
Fri Jun 19 11:58:31
"Sam made a claim demonstrating he doesn't understand the difference between anecdote and data."


Ahhh, so the entirety of the george floyd protests and all left wing politics from the last 3 weeks are bullshit then.

Thanks for walking strait into that trap hood.

Lulz.
jergul
large member
Fri Jun 19 12:28:23
Sammy
There is a difference between anectdotes and symbols of widespread abuse too.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jun 19 12:32:58
"Reread my original post. Im claiming the data doesn't exist."

Except that's not what your original post says. If that's what you mean, alright, but it's not what your post says.

Derp.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jun 19 12:33:35
Btw, Retard Rod also didn't understand what his own posts said. Are you sure you're not Retard Rod reincarnated? You seem to be in a downward spiral toward his level of retardation.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 12:45:19
Jergul, The thing is though that everyone agrees that black on black crime is rampant. Black criminals often commit the majority of certain violent crimes even though blacks are only 13-14% of the population.At least punching above there wieght.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 19 12:48:09
I don't believe black women are particularly over-represented.

It's probably more fair to adjust the 13/52 meme to 6/52.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 12:51:18
"Ahhh, so the entirety of the george floyd protests and all left wing politics from the last 3 weeks are bullshit then."

He claims, with still no evidence to support his anecdote. Your claim is the same as mini-rod's. I'm sure between the two of you, one could at least find a fox news link that makes the same baseless assertion as you have.
sam adams
Member
Fri Jun 19 13:30:25
"Its ok for my side to use anecdotal cases, but your side cannot"

-hood the retard
sam adams
Member
Fri Jun 19 13:35:12
But if you want to look at stats, cops kill about 250 africans per year, the majority of which are justified.

8000 africans are murdered by other africans per year.

Yet "Police harm black people" is what is shouted by hood and other retards. "Defund the police!!!"

The cognitive disfunction required for hood and other lefties to not only ignore these stats, but arrive at the opposite meaning, is horrifically retarded.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 13:37:43
Sam, IIRC its closer to 200-215. So your being generous.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 13:57:25
"the majority of which are justified."

Baseless claim.


"cops kill about"

Killing someone is not the only way a cop can interact with the public poorly. Your statistic is, again, actually an anecdote.


"8000 africans are murdered by other africans per year."

Does not, in any way, reflect on how the police should treat the public.


So ultimately you have non-arguments and cherry picked statistics that do not actually address the underlying problem.
sam adams
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:11:14
"Does not, in any way, reflect on how the police should treat the public."

It shows that police killings of africans are dwarfed by african killings of africans. It means that if you were not a retard and actually cared for african communities, you would, in general, support the policing criminals in such communities.
sam adams
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:11:32
The policing of criminals.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:14:29
"It shows that police killings of africans are dwarfed by african killings of africans."

what does that have to do with police duties? White people currently kill themselves in obscene numbers, with opioids, it is worse than AIDS or crack death numbers. So if a cop shoots your white kid in the back, a solid excuse is - "well, white people are trash anyway, these animals kill themselves prescribing oxy to each other. No a big loss"
sam adams
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:19:26
A solid reaction would actually be to hold the bad cops accountable while recognizing the difficulty of their job and the necessity of removing criminals from the society.

But thats "waycists" according to hood.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:20:10
-pats sam on the skinhead-

It's cute that you try. The breadth of your failure is pretty amusing.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:40:12
End the Drug War
Abolish cop unions
End military surplus programs to PDs
Bar asset forfeiture w/o a conviction
Eliminate qualified immunity

There are probably a few others, like special prosecutors for cops, instead of elected DAs that get endorsed by police unions after spending years building rapport with them.

Note none of those include anything about race, but address most of the root issues.

All that really leaves is charging and sentencing disparity, which again, comes down to shithead DAs and judges and their wide latitude. But legislators show notoriously bad histories in limiting that, usually the wrong with mandatory minimums.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:45:58
"End the Drug War
Abolish cop unions
End military surplus programs to PDs
Bar asset forfeiture w/o a conviction
Eliminate qualified immunity"

4/5 definitely yes.

Dunno about completely abolishing cop unions, but a good tazing and/or kneecapping is definitely in order.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:52:12
Forwyn, Don't forget the way way cops are paid.

Police should not be allowed to self fund through citations and siezing property.

Prisons should not profit by locking people up and keeping them longer.
sam adams
Member
Fri Jun 19 14:55:04
Hood gets his panties in a bunch over a couple incidents of police brutality, cries about anecdotal evidence in the most hypocritical fashion, confuses a big number with a small number(most 2nd graders would do better), then runs away.

That about sums up this thread.

Lol dunce.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jun 19 14:57:41
I have now heard that in some places becoming a cop is a 3 month education. Shocking give that it takes 5 semesters and 6 months of in field training here in Sweden.

I have to give CC credit for what she said a few weeks ago, I had no idea the education situation was this bad.
hood
Member
Fri Jun 19 15:18:13
Sam apparently doesn't understand the meaning of "runs away." This inability to understand basic words is littered throughout just that one post; one can imagine (in horror, if such ingrained stupidity terrifies you) the rest of his posts.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 19 15:25:51
"Dunno about completely abolishing cop unions"

For now, I'd settle for eliminating their lobbying and public endorsement powers. I shouldn't be driving past signs for local DA's being endorsed by the FOP.

The top five lobby groups opposing marijuana legalization and decriminalization shouldn't include cop and prison guard unions.
sam adams
Member
Sat Jun 20 12:56:38
Hood you stopped arguing once you realized how retarded your math was, and devolved to thoughtless insults.

That counts as running away.

Gg.
sam adams
Member
Sat Jun 20 13:18:57
Hoods peaceful people dont need cops.

http://mob...ods/status/1274384546725687296
hood
Member
Sat Jun 20 16:01:13
You provided 1 unsourced, logic-devoid post that didn't require any more than "that's not a valid argument" to be rendered void. I stand by my statement that you have yet to provide any remotely logical piece of evidence to support your misguided opinion. You, however, seem to have not done anything since bringing up unrelated "evidence" and instead devolved into the insults. It was literally the post after my response. So by your own standards, you ran away.


It's like shooting dead fish in a barrel.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Jun 20 16:31:23
Hood is saying that you are like a dead fish who when he was alive, chose to live alone in a barrel, instead of living with the big fish collective and enjoy safety in numbers. So when the big bad capitalist came he could just pick the dead fish and eat them. They died because there was not enough air, which was always the plan from the beginning AKA the "market decided" and "supply and demand".

A very clever metaphor for communism, which hood is trying to spread.

It's either that or he is using the dead fish in the barrel as some bizarre representation of a futile and redundant activity. Like, they are already dead?

You decide for yourself.
jergul
large member
Sat Jun 20 17:23:46
No one can spread communism. Its an endgame result, not something that could possibly exist now.

Ultimately, its just an idea about how income should be distributed when productivity gains give societies virtually unlimited income.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Jun 20 18:42:16
That's exactly what a communist would say, "there is no communism to spread". Try to pull the wool over the eyes, as they say. Sneaky ;)
sam adams
Member
Sun Jun 21 00:08:16
"You provided 1 unsourced, logic-devoid post"

Unsourced huh hood? the numbers have been debated and rehashed so many times that if you dont know them at this point, thats on you. If your mind has been unable to learn the common knowledge by now, you really have no business commenting on the topic whatsoever. Around 8000 africans are murdered by eachother every year, and around 2 to 3 hundred are killed by cops. These numbers are known by all, and are indisputable. By questioning them, you display your own ignorance for all to see.

Hood, the simple fact is, that the african death rate to cops is dwarfed by the african death rate to other africans, and to get your panties in a bunch over the smaller number while neglecting the larger is the opposite of logic.
hood
Member
Sun Jun 21 01:00:19
And yet you still focus on numbers that have very little or literally no impact on how a cop could and does treat a black person differently and more unfairly than others.

You're a fucking moron. To be fair, you've been a fucking moron for decades at this point. Your autistic inability to see anything outside your extremely narrow focus has led you to believe that you have a "big brain," yet it's remarkably inadequate to hold its own in just about any conversation.

I'll be here waiting for you to provide a reasonable source to back up your bullshit, racist nonsense. I'll be waiting for a very long time, I suspect.
sam adams
Member
Sun Jun 21 12:09:12
"And yet you still focus on numbers that have very little or literally no impact on how a cop could and does treat a black person differently and more unfairly than others."

Your entire BLM movement screams and howls about murders.

But once the murder stats come out againat you... its time to change that to... something else. You are too retarded to define what that something else is, just that it cant be murders because that makes you look bad. Never mind that murder is well correlated with other forms of serious crimes...

But keep trying to move those goalposts like the defeated retard you are.

gg
hood
Member
Sun Jun 21 12:15:56
"its time to change that to... something else. You are too retarded to define what that something else is, just that it cant be murders because that makes you look bad."

No, it's just that you're a giant fucking ignoramus who cannot grasp anything outside of your autistic tunnel vision. And I don't exactly care if you understand or not. A well written, nuanced explanation of why and how the cops treat black people unfairly wouldn't convince you of anything. You'd ignore it all and go on about "africans" because you're too blinded to see anything else.

You are a waste of time. But I enjoy insulting you, thus I respond.


And the goalposts were never moved. You just have selective hearing.
sam adams
Member
Sun Jun 21 12:28:20
Of course someone who runs away from facts thinks i am a waste of time. I am, to you. Your factless crying will never convince me nor any real mind. Your illogical and unscientific screaming has no chance, and never did.

"And the goalposts were never moved."

You started with murders. Then the murder data proved you wrong. Now its something other than murders.

That is the very definition of moving the goalposts. How are you this retarded? That the very definition of words no longer matter? Note your goalpost moving is so retarded that you cant even define what it is you are talking about, much less measure it or provide any actual numbers.

Lol dunce.
Habebe
Member
Sun Jun 21 12:46:39
Hmm, hoods still demanding evidence without ever providing any of his own, then resorting to name calling and declaring everyone's arguments other than his are retarded.

I'm sure no one is shocked by such actions anymore so than we were shocked the sun rose again this morning.

hood
Member
Sun Jun 21 13:49:05
"You started with murders"

Because George Floyd was murdered. It was topical. Only an autistic fucknugget would miss the connection.


"hoods still demanding evidence"

That's what happens when people make claims without providing evidence. If all you're going to do is spout retarded opinions, why would you expect anything more in return?


"me nor any real mind"

It's remarkably self aware of you to separate yourself from real minds. I'm actually impressed, sam. Maybe there's hope for you yet.
Habebe
Member
Sun Jun 21 14:17:51
Nice cherry picking while missing the point.
sam adams
Member
Mon Jun 22 10:57:39
"Because George Floyd was murdered. "

Right. You see how retarded you look? Starting off with a murder and then saying the murder stats are irrelevant?
Renzo Marquez
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Tue Jun 23 18:24:15
http://www...apolis-amid-uptick-in-violence

Clearly safer.
Renzo Marquez
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Tue Jun 23 18:36:24
http://twitter.com/JFNYC1/status/1275536518740946944
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