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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 19:12:03
from last thread:

Rugian: "- So out of all of the remaining Obama attorneys, this guy was initially going to be allowed to stay on? Why?"

Preet doesn't even really matter at this point, that was Trump's first attempt to install a friend

the (oddly personally interviewed) Berman, a Trump donor, is who replaced Preet

now Berman (who has numerous Trump-related investigations + Giuliani... which would definitely annoy Trump, can anyone doubt that?) is being replaced


i don't see how it's difficult to see how installing an (unqualified) friend in the top spot of the prosecutor's office wouldn't be helpful to a career criminal (w/ already known investigations happening)


...not unlike why Putin wanted to install Trump :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 19:59:07
as a giant nugget of supporting evidence... Trump already did this with Jeff Sessions... Trump made it -abundantly- clear he thought Jeff's primary job was to protect him from investigations and that's why he replaced him

(and replaced him with a guy who had written a lengthy opinion piece about why Trump didn't obstruct justice, when it was clear Trump was being investigated for it... then that guy got the report about obstruction of justice from Mueller, and deliberately misled the public about it)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 20:29:23
"Rather hard to believe that @FoxNews didn’t know that the Border Wall is well under construction, fully financed, & already over 200 miles long? Will soon be finished!"
~ fraud

that's some serious bullshit... the recent report from DHS showed 3 new miles and the rest replacement fencing

200 miles means soon finished?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 20:32:58
"
Bolton says Trump at Singapore Summit was just focused on press - and immediately began giving concessions to Kim Jong Un during private talks, namely pulling down US military exercises with South Korea. “The US itself got nothing from that,” saying threat from NK has increased
"

sounds just like him
and just like a ridiculously unfit president
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 21:06:44
Capo Jim Jordan responding to intention to subpoena Barr over the clear corruption:

"Today your staff indicated that you intend to issue a subpoena to Attorney General William P. Barr for testimony at a Committee hearing on July 2, 2020. The Attorney General had previously agreed to appear voluntarily in March, before you cancelled the hearing due to the coronavirus pandemic. Attorney General Barr remains willing to testify voluntarily once the pandemic concludes.

Accordingly, there is no legitimate basis for you to compel his testimony at this time."

what a piece of shit... just wait for the pandemic to end to question corrupt actions in progress...
kargen
Member
Mon Jun 22 22:01:02
" just wait for the pandemic to end to question corrupt actions in progress..."

except there are no corrupt actions. The president is well within his scope of power to fire this guy and the investigations are continuing even with him being removed.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 23:49:27
i knew that'd be your crazy position... you have no concern about corrupt motives, just if he had legal authority

if Barr can defend it then let him do so


it's just retarded to think installing a friend as the US Attorney can't possibly affect what cases get pursued

what is wrong w/ you people? rub some brain cells together

---------------
related:


Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. Were Close to Being Charged With Felony Fraud

New York prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. overruled his staff after a visit from a top donor: Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz.

http://www...-to-being-charged-felony-fraud
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 22 23:51:39
just defending Trump personally interviewing the guy is not possible

it's the head guy responsible for investigating federal crimes where Trump's (constantly accused of fraud) business is located

it is O.B.V.I.O.U.S. why he wants it to be a friend
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 00:05:36
to add to the pile of obvious corruption Barr named an interim guy to stick in the position (when lying about Berman stepping down) while waiting for the Senate to confirm Trump's unqualified golf buddy instead of just using Berman's second-in-command

a clear effort to disrupt the office


that second-in-command has now taken over (their corrupt effort semi-failing for the moment) & why Berman agreed to leave w/o more fighting
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 00:09:11
for that matter, defend Barr lying about the guy stepping down in a statement released ~9pm on a Friday

maybe Barr feels he can get away w/ blatantly obvious corruption since Trump gets away with blatantly obvious lying & fraudulence

and seems he's right... you cultists accept anything w/o question... which is good as they won't ever explain anything & ignore all oversight
kargen
Member
Tue Jun 23 00:27:45
"it is O.B.V.I.O.U.S. why he wants it to be a friend"

Only to those of you that read minds.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 01:02:43
yep, it's super tricky... but i'm special i guess

why would someone constantly rubbing up against the law & crossing the line occasionally want an ally as top prosecutor... so hard to understand...

=====================

moving on...

"
Trump increasingly preoccupied with defending his physical and mental health

The early June meeting in the Cabinet Room was intended as a general update on President Trump’s reelection campaign, but the president had other topics on his mind.

Trump had taken a cognitive screening test as part of his 2018 physical, and now, more than two years later, he brought up the 10-minute exam. He waxed on about how he’d dazzled the proctors with his stellar performance, according to two people familiar with his comments. He walked the room of about two dozen White House and reelection officials through some of the questions he said he’d aced, such as being able to repeat five words in order.
...
"
<that's all i could get, it's a Washington Post article if anyone wants to read whole thing & has subscription>


that's the test w/ questions like showing a drawing of a giraffe & you have to identify it as a giraffe (there are samples available on the web)... & he's -still- bragging about doing well on it

not normal brain function

(and if you think that article is 'fake news', his bragging is on tape from when he originally passed it... it has never been brag-worthy... & completely consistent he would still brag about it)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 01:26:01
...that US Attorney's office is who put Trump's long-time personal lawyer & goon in prison for a crime Trump participated in... yet so hard to see why he'd want friends there... what is the connection...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 01:59:20
kargen: "...but why male models?"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 11:42:57
"
Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding. With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!
"
~ dangerous moron who happens to be 'president'

no medical experts are saying the case rise is -entirely- testing

plus no medical experts are saying testing is bad as it makes us look bad... there is no 'double-edged sword'

this guy is objectively AWFUL
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 11:54:36
^ and he's saying that because Fauci & others are testifying to congress about it today which is making it on TV (& NOT saying 'meh, just too much testing')


but i guess they are just Trump haters trying to make him look bad... they weren't wined & dined enough as kargen made-up about Ukraine witnesses...
kargen
Member
Tue Jun 23 18:23:17
" for a crime Trump participated in... "

what was that crime again?

And what the fuck does any of this have to do with the Ukrainians? You still going on about how President Trump somehow blocked military aid that arrived ahead of schedule?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 19:11:25
i guess you missed how Lamar Alexander (R) said Dems proved their case (& multiple other Rs joined saying it was wrong just not impeachable)

i mentioned Ukraine as you decided the witnesses (not Dem witnesses, just -all- the relevant witnesses who showed up) were all being dishonest as they weren't wined & dined enough... so i figure you will decide same for Fauci & the other witnesses today as they contradicted the President who just decided there is no rise in cases based on his brain cell (please defend Trump's comment from the standpoint of being fit for office... or him not pushing mask-wearing at all, actually reducing mask-wearing in fact... he is not only not helpful, he is actively harmful)


the crime Trump participated in was the hush money payments... Cohen got convicted on it, it can't be fake you total nutball... and google 'Individual-1' if you don't recall him being involved... or go listen to the audio tape of him discussing it w/ Cohen

plus that's not the only investigation ongoing... almost certain tax and/or bank fraud for starters... plus lots of scam shit went on w/ his inauguration
kargen
Member
Tue Jun 23 20:51:46
"the crime Trump participated in was the hush money payments..."

yeah I thought this was the nonsense you were talking about. The campaign finance laws have not changed and even if they had they would not be retroactive. Wasn't a crime for President Trump then and isn't a crime now. He was absolutely involved and I've agreed to that all along. It was not a crime for him though.

How many of the ongoing investigations have been closed since President Trump fired the guy? How many investigations have shifted focus since?

Yeah, zero.

So ya got nothing.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 22:10:35
"I've agreed to that all along"

...no you didn't... you said Trump knew nothing & Cohen did it on his own to get a good job in the administration... plus denied it was a real crime

--------

"How many of the ongoing investigations have been closed since President Trump fired the guy? How many investigations have shifted focus since? "

you mean in the 3 days since it happened? yeah probably none... also they failed to get the interim person they wanted, & the vote on the golf buddy hasn't happened yet so i wouldn't expect much yet

and you're sticking with the boss at the office has zero point zero influence on anything that goes on in the office? yeah, ok

do you think Barr is having no influence?

you are a crazed nutball as many people are saying
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 22:12:37
super mature Trump used 'kung flu' again at his tiny event in the church of frauds

if Kellyanne Conway doesn't resign she becomes a pathethic humiliated husk of a human... like Ted Cruz & Jeff Sessions
kargen
Member
Tue Jun 23 22:53:21
Nah I said what President Trump did was not illegal. I did say Cohen did some things thinking it would get him a position in the White House.

"you mean in the 3 days since it happened?"

Yep that is exactly what I mean. You got your panties in a bunch over this based on the investigations either being ended or tampered with. Until it actually happens you have nothing.

And no I didn't say the boss has zero influence in the office. I am willing to bet he can change coffee brands if he wants and all kinds of other things. Until he tampers with the investigations you are getting all twisted over nothing just like damn near every other time the president does or says something.
Habebe
Member
Tue Jun 23 23:03:08
"You know the Hurricane actually blew some buildings back together in Puerto Rico, and I dont know why the media isnt reporting more on that"_ kellyanne "kellywise"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 23:05:35
so you prefer to wait til it's too late? also, i'm not on the mailing list of what investigations have been influenced... are you?

it's ok to have a problem w/ corrupt acts when they happen rather than waiting for them to flourish

Trump's intense interest in that office is clearly for corrupt motive... i can't even think of another explanation (but feel free to make one up, as you like doing that) plus it's -exactly- the kind of thing he'd do... he tried to get chummy w/ Preet... & Comey, including asking for his loyalty... & he ALREADY DID THIS with Sessions

are you going to deny he dumped Sessions as Sessions wasn't protecting him? Trump said it out loud dozens of times... i don't recall ANY other criticism ever, certainly not so repeated

and at that point in time it was clear 'obstruction of justice' was the crime Trump had most expose on, and Trump's nominee happens to be the guy who wrote a long paper on why he believed Trump couldn't obstruct justice... what a coincidence
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 23 23:35:46
also he's fired 4? IGs (some/all who did or were currently investigating him or his team)

& at least 2 of them got the same form letter listing nonsense reasons (like not promoting the economy enough...)

even Rs have said the reasons have been inadequate

Trump is ridiculously corrupt
Trump is ridiculously unfit for office
kargen
Member
Wed Jun 24 01:29:39
"it's ok to have a problem w/ corrupt acts when they happen rather than waiting for them to flourish"

The thing about corrupt acts is they are not corrupt acts until after they happen. So yeah we are going to have to wait for the new guy to do something corrupt before any action can be taken. That is one of our most fundamental structures around what our country was built.

You think President Trump is corrupt. You think everything he does is corrupt. What you think doesn't matter beyond how it affects you.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 02:08:05
so if Trump appoints a known Russian spy to head the FBI & tweets out that Putin highly recommended the guy, you'd be like "let's wait to catch the spy doing something fishy"


what you're describing is finding the new guy being corrupt... & even if he did get caught interfering (which isn't necessarily going to be clear cut even if he was doing it), that doesn't prove Trump corrupt, he'd just claim 'i had no idea he'd do that' & you'd believe it obviously

Trump's corrupt acts are the motives for his firings, that's what can & should be looked at now

start having standards
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 12:08:08
a prosecutor is testifying now that the US Attorney for DC cut Roger Stone breaks due to political pressure

how is that possible??? the US Attorneys just sit motionless & actionless day in and day out w/ no effect on their office!!!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 12:40:28
also at his tiny event in the church of frauds, Trump claimed (as he has in past) that Judicial Watch (partisan garbage group that Trump seems to think is some official gov't watchdog by its name) found 1.5 million fraud voters in California

NOPE... it was about people on voter rolls who shouldn't have been (moved/died/whatever)... an issue that should be dealt with better, but NOT evidence of ANY voter fraud

the idiot moron child shitbag dictator still doesn't understand the concept of voter rolls (it is NOT people who voteD) & why his 'people change their hat & vote again' claim DOESN'T happen
chuck
Member
Wed Jun 24 13:13:24
Presenting: The Timeless Wisdom of Kargen

Kargen on self-defense:

You have to wait until somebody shoots you before you can return fire. If they merely shoot at you and miss, you don't know if their intent was to give you a warning shot or to hurt you. True, it looks bad, but you just don't know. If you've just watched them shoot someone else, that doesn't have any bearing on this particular situation either. Has he shot me yet? If not, that's not defense at all.

Kargen on M.A.D.:

You've got to wait until the warheads detonate before you can launch. Until the warheads go off, how do you know that the Soviets aren't just launching 10,000 ICBMs with dummy warheads? You don't, so don't pretend you do.

Kargen on Electing Jimmy Hoffa for President:

Well, I can't say whether it would be a good idea or not. Only way to possibly know would have been to elect him and see what happens, and we'll never be able to do that, will we?

Kargen on Chicken Eggs:

How can you say definitively that all of the eggs in this dozen are chicken eggs? Did you see the chicken lay them, or are you just relying on circumstantial "evidence"?

Kargen on The Man Wearing A Ski Mask Who Is Sprinting Towards Him At 2am:

This is fine.

Kargen on Pearl Harbor:

This could mean one of several things. It is best not to jump to conclusions. Let's wait and see how this plays out.

Kargen on a Jihadi Driving a Car Bomb:

Knowing his intent without being in his head is impossible. What are you, some kind of psychic?

Kargen on Standing Alone In The Middle Of Fifth Ave With Donald Trump While He Loads A Gun:

I try not to pay attention to his tweets.

Kargen on Having Been Shot By Donald Trump In The Middle Of Fifth Ave:


Perhaps I have lived my entire life a chained prisoner in a cave, facing a blank wall onto which shadows have been projected, and these shadows I have misinterpreted as reality. You don't know.

Kargen on Making New Year's Resolutions:

It's difficult to say what I'll do next year when that hasn't happened yet. I prefer to wait until the end of the year, see what I've done, and then make my resolutions retroactively.

Karen on Not Wearing a Flag Lapel Pin:

He hates America.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 13:23:47
that's why many people are strongly saying kargen is crazy... highly respected people... 96% of people in fact... soon to be 97%
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 13:27:48
at a council? meeting in Palm Beach about making masks mandatory, some crazed objectors voiced their opinions, examples:

'we know what citizens arrest is and anyone following the devil's laws will be arrested... and you, doctor, will be arrested for crimes against humanity' (paraphrase from memory)

another woman claimed they want to "throw god's wonderful breathing system out the door"

i'll guess Trump voters
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 13:42:51
Louie Gohmert loudly tapping on the table to disrupt a witness against Barr:

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1275833865505046528

so much garbage on team Trump
Rugian
Member
Wed Jun 24 14:37:35
Oh look, Aaron Rupar again. Convenient that he forgot to mention that Gohmert was tapping because the witness had gone over his time limit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 15:02:33
and yet he was allowed to finish... so terrible

===========

Trump on NATO today:

"They're delinquent with respect to their dues"

the FUCKING MORON STILL DOES NOT UNDERSTAND SIMPLE CONCEPTS

totally ridiculous
kargen
Member
Wed Jun 24 15:21:09
"so if Trump appoints a known Russian spy to head the FBI"
If he is a known spy that means he has done some spying so no he is out. Ya see we know he is a spy.
"Trump's corrupt acts are the motives for his firings, that's what can & should be looked at now"
This is you assuming his acts are corrupt then trying to use your assumptions as facts.

Chuck you try so hard it is pathetic how harsh you fail.

None of what you types fits in any way to what I typed. If someone points a gun at you that is intent. You don't have to wait until they fire. With what I commented on there isn't even any intent yet. At least wait for a leaked memo or something.
The rest is same nonsense.


Chuck: Minority Report is a documentary. That really happens.

Chuck: All people of mid-eastern descent driving a car are suicide bombers. Kill them before they blow up Walmart.

Chuck: Every plane in the sky is going to bomb one of our military bases. We need to shoot them down first.

Chuck: Everybody at Chuck e Cheese is going to start a brawl we should taze them when they walk in the door.

Chuck: Could someone wipe this drool off my chin?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 18:28:41
"This is you assuming his acts are corrupt then trying to use your assumptions as facts. "

what is your plan to detect the corruption if you don't investigate it when it happens? (merely watching the appointed guy proves nothing as i already explained)

is requiring a decent explanation too much to ask? and Trump reveals his corruption to people as we saw w/ Ukraine & why they worked so hard to prevent every single person from testifying... & R's were fine w/ it as they have rolled over

if obviously corrupt Barr & Trump want to pull that again & hide everything & stonewall, maybe at least a few non-crazy people will notice that's pretty suspicious

& maybe even some R's in congress will pick up some spine fragments & finally have had enough of Trump's shit... especially w/ Trump's poll numbers sinking

==========

speaking of people who have completely rolled over, Kellyanne Conway has gone w/ the pathetic empty husk route:

her response to Trump using "Kung Flu" (which she had previously called "highly offensive"):

“My reaction is that the president has made very clear he wants everybody to understand, and I think many Americans do understand, that the virus originated in China,” Conway said. “And had China been more transparent and honest with the United States and the world, we wouldn't have all the death and destruction that unfortunately we've suffered.”

Asked to explain the logic behind the term 'kung flu' referring to China, even though 'kung flu' does not refer to a specific place, Conway said: "Excuse me, how do you know the way people, how do you know that people aren't anticipating that or not connecting that? You don't know that. While the president is saying it, he's also saying this virus came from China. China is responsible... He said it's called many different things, it's called the Wuhan virus, the Chinese virus, and then he used another term."


aww, she's not actually willing to say the "another term"... but willing to defend Trump saying it as a means to explain it came from China... which is stupid on its face... & after previously claiming the term was highly offensive & noting her kids are part asian... so she's even sold out her own kids... sooo pathetic...

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 19:07:56
here are the mask-hating ladies from Florida:

http://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1275854598146871296

safe to assume Trump-loving Fox News watchers (or worse)

...also, that lady does NOT know what citizen's arrest is
kargen
Member
Wed Jun 24 20:54:44
"what is your plan to detect the corruption if you don't investigate it when it happens?"

You are not calling for investigation. You are declaring them guilty.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 21:15:52
and you are saying no investigation needed, saying no need for Barr to testify about it (while you pretend to be a neutral observer)

I suspect they are guilty as Trump is clearly corrupt and unfit for office with every single action he takes being what's best for him rather than the country which he makes very obvious even if multiple people from the admin didn't also say so

Barr released the notice at 9pm on a Friday night and falsely claimed the guy stepping down... a deliberate attempt to keep it all quiet... if the guy is stepping down, completely normal to appoint someone new (although not someone who never has been a prosecutor)... so maximum effort taken to not raise questions including deliberate deception... plus not using standard line of succession... plus allegedly lying to the interim guy that Berman had stepped down... plus a history of Trump having inappropriate interest in the person leading that office...

but unfortunately for the serial deliberate deceiver (Barr), Berman didn't play along... of course it should be investigated

plus the IG firings need investigated as total bullshit reasons on those (just like with Comey)

almost like a pattern
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Jun 24 21:16:00
http://i.i...dth=1200&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Full MAGA in sight
kargen
Member
Wed Jun 24 21:23:44
"and you are saying no investigation needed, saying no need for Barr to testify about it (while you pretend to be a neutral observer)"

Show me where I said no need for Barr to testify. You claimed there were corrupt actions I responded there were no corrupt actions as of now. Firing the guy is not a corrupt action. It is something most presidents have done and many much sooner in their term than President Trump did.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 21:40:12
you are declaring no corrupt actions, you have not suggested any need to investigate, and you responded to my irritation w/ capo Jim Jordan's saying Dems should wait until after pandemic to call Barr w/ more defense of Trump

as to "Firing the guy is not a corrupt action"
here's you being the mind-reader... a corrupt motive makes it a corrupt act, you are deciding it was not corrupt

there is a lot suggesting corrupt motives... Trump revealed it himself on Comey, practically has on the IGs... he claimed not to be involved in Berman's firing (even though he is the one who fired Berman)... plus he did the same basic thing w/ Jeff Sessions... plus his personal interview & appointment of Berman

is there anything he can do that will concern you?

i assume you approve of the obvious partisan hack/Trump loyalist who he made DNI... the guy who couldn't say for sure if Russia interfered to help Trump because Devin Nunes' report conflicted with the reports of EVERYONE else (including the R-led Senate report, and ALL the intel agencies he's now director of coordinating...+ common sense)

... of course you also weren't convinced that Russia wanted Trump (as you are a crazy person)


and i squeezed in the Devin Nunes reference as here's what i came here to post:

"Devin Nunes cannot sue Twitter for defamation over parody accounts pretending to be his mother and a cow on his family ranch, a judge has ruled"

what a shame
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 21:43:29
as to "Full MAGA in sight" graph

it's only due to more testing!! no need to take any precautions!! our terrible leader certainly isn't going to recommend anything or be a good example

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 24 21:55:57
the Nunes lawsuit did bring us this gem in the official filing:


"In her endless barrage of tweets, Devin Nunes' Mom maliciously attacked every aspect of Nunes' character, honesty, integrity, ethics and fitness to perform his duties as a United States Congressman"


[ you can read more of the list of insults Devin Nunes' Mom made about him p. 12-21 ]:
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/03/19/nunes.lawsuit.pdf

i wonder if Devin Nunes' lawyer was having some fun at Devin Nunes' expense
kargen
Member
Thu Jun 25 00:30:33
"and you responded to my irritation w/ capo Jim Jordan's saying Dems should wait until after pandemic to call Barr w/ more defense of Trump"

Well that is simply good common sense. Congress said in March they don't want Barr to testify until after the pandemic. The ones wanting most for Barr to testify are the ones shouting the loudest that the pandemic is not over.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 02:17:07
do multiple people use your account or do you just have multiple personality issues?

i think investigating continued gross abuse of power is worth looking into now (as you occasionally claim to agree with), even if they have to take special measures for safety
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 02:33:26
a few more of the comments by the crazy florida ladies
http://thebulwark.com/floridas-idiocracy/

from citizen's arrest lady:

“...You cannot escape God, not even with the mask or six feet. Six feet, like I said before, is military protocol. You are trying to get people to train them, so when the camera, the 5G comes out, what, they are going to scan everybody? We gotta get scanned, we gotta get temperatured? The kids are going to have to go school with masks? Are you insane? Are you crazy? I think all of you ought to be a psych ward right the heck now.”


anyone supporting Trump supports the spread of this type of ignorance & lunacy

OANN & worse will flourish if he's re-elected
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 02:46:53
Stephen Colbert's interview w/ John Bolton was quite good (you'll have to connect to other parts to see whole thing if interested)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acAoNQiCNco

everything Bolton describes about Trump is what you would expect from Trump & consistent w/ what everyone else says about Trump:

he doesn't prepare, he doesn't like getting briefings, is easily manipulated by Putin, Xi, Erdogan, Kim Jong Un, etc.

Bolton completely credible & even gives a decent explanation of his not coming forward during impeachment (although i disagree w/ him not doing so)

WHY does ANYOHE support the OBVIOUS unfit & dangerous idiot & fraud 'president'?

what semi-respectable person has left the admin & said they found Trump to be a hard-working information-seeking professional? no one says that even if they are still -in- the administration (although i'm sure CPoSPS Kayleigh would do so if asked)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 19:06:07
CNN is doing another town hall now on coronavirus (an informative service to the public), as with last week, the White House is preventing any of their task force members from participating

to cultists, defend this

& defend Trump not making masks mandatory at his rallies (even if the lil boy can't be a role model & ever wear one himself due to his extreme mental illnesses)

...& defend Trump being a fucking moron child fraud in general
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 19:08:02
and any stupid 'CNN is fake news' doesn't work as having -your- task force speaking would be getting -your- message out

(although obviously we know fucking moron Trump's message has no connection w/ that of his team & that's the ridiculously unfit reason for blocking the experts)
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 25 19:09:31
"CNN"

Defense rests.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Jun 25 19:15:13
"Bolton completely credible"

warmongering is noble afterall.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 21:13:37
Bolton didn't bring up warmongering


so while CNN tried to give factual info, the fucking moron was on Hannity saying (again) if we did no tests we'd have no cases and again his kid with "sniffles" being a case story thus implying not important

he's -obviously- downplaying testing and wishing we did less (he was NOT joking)... his only concern is the tally... when -clearly- identifying cases is helpful

he's doing NOTHING productive even for those who want to reopen as fast as possible

wear a fucking mask... that helps his goal... he can't wear one, he can't even encourage it... just constant denial & idiocy

ridiculously unfit
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 25 21:25:44
"while CNN tried to give factual info"-Really?

But yes he is being wierd about the testing thing. I think he is trying to tout what a good job he did in his own wierd way.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 22:06:54
Its was a town hall.. people ask questions about the pandemic and experts answer, how much spin do you expect? plus... the administration people could have given their views to the public which they no longer do (because we know Trump doesn't agree with his people, or science or facts)

and he's not trying to tout a good job about testing, he's trying to pretend its over and for people to forget about it so economic numbers can rise and he can tout those as being his doing (there's no other way to take his repeated "sniffles" kid story)

election map based on current polling
http://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1276291716283273216
i dont imagine it will end up like that but certainly would be well-deserved
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 25 22:24:11
Trump's priorities for a second term (or at least his answer to the question of what they are):

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbZ53wQWkAExka2?format=png

another quality response from Trump

maybe we'll get 3 more miles of 'wall'

"replace a portion of the existing fencing using heaps of our own money" was the 2016 chant right?
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 25 23:08:24
The wall is retarded anyway. Plus I can't wait to see Trump go full super Saiyan on a 2nd term.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 02:05:13
"
Coronavirus deaths are way down. Mortality rate is one of the lowest in the World. Our Economy is roaring back and will NOT be shut down. “Embers” or flare ups will be put out, as necessary!
"
~fuckhead

said on the same day as multiple states paused their reopening due to alarming increases in cases

can R's really support another 4 years of this -completely- unfit moron fraud?
jergul
large member
Fri Jun 26 02:22:35
I don't think the US can. The US is losing 5000 people a day, most of them through loss of immigration.

Trump will obviously use the on again off again covid-19 outbreak to continue to chip away at one of the main reasons for US power. Its population advantage compared to many other countries.

You might say pfft, but population growth is the most important driver of gdp growth.
kargen
Member
Fri Jun 26 02:59:22
"can R's really support another 4 years of this -completely- unfit moron fraud?"
They kind of have to given the shit storm the democrats have offered up and no Republican with any chance in hell stepped up to challenge.
jergul
large member
Fri Jun 26 03:40:39
Kargen
What are you talking about? Biden will be a meh president at worst.

You should be worrying about the top down effect costing the GOP the Senate either directly, or in 2022 (when the GOP again has a loopside disadvantage in number of seats in the running).

Trump or nothing may give you exactly that last outcome.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 11:57:26
"
A friend of mine said, 'you have to be the most perfect person.'
"
~ fuckhead

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1276328928123195392

supposedly because he was not brought down by the Russia investigation

what did he do to not be brought down by the Russia investigation? i mean, yeah, he obstructed justice, but the investigation was NEVER targeting him until he did that (even though -he- made it entirely about himself... as w/ everything)

so if he had sat quietly & actually did work for once, he never would've had any issue either

(...it only targeted 4 members of his campaign team, for those unaware)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:07:32
Fox headline:

"Biden slammed after wrongly saying ‘we have over 120 million dead from COVID’"

then the article cites 2 tweets by Trump people as the evidence Biden getting 'slammed' over it


i remember a time when Trump got one word 'wrong'... Helsinki

yeah, Russia Russia Russia... our 'president' sided w/ Putin over our own people (as he had been doing for over a year & still does) then lied to our faces about it ... big deal, whatever
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Jun 26 12:10:59
putin is awesome

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:16:43
Putin's better than Trump that's for sure (despite Trump being the most perfect person)

============


they are having a COVID briefing again due to those huge 'embers' flaring up... which our fucking moron president pretends is not occurring & actively harms efforts to slow down


Pence:

"We want the American people to understand that it's almost inarguable that more testing is generating more cases."

i will argue w/ it... i'm sure that statement put in there just for Trump to hear including the stupid choice of verbiage

tests are not "generating" cases, & our tally making us look bad relative to other countries has absolutely no relevance such that it makes up the entire edge of a sword...
(re: Trump's dumb double-edged sword complaint)
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Jun 26 12:25:25
http://twitter.com/Tinaforte7/status/1276517465003089923
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:26:09
hey, we got a 'thanks to the president's leadership' from Alex Azar... shocker

(Pence almost certainly did too, multiple times, i didn't catch all of his propaganda)

doesn't look like any of the team is going to request the fuckhead-in-chief join efforts to help rather than actively harm them
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:29:52
another 'thanks to the president's leadership' from Alex Azar at the end of his comments
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:34:54
uh oh, i don't think CDC director Redfield said it... he's fired
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:46:31
Trump always tweets when he's going to be on TV... but thanks to the president's leadership, no tweets at all for his cultists to watch the virus briefing... not even on the White House propaganda twitter feed

so thanks to the president's leadership we can continue to have increased spread from his idiot cultists who violently oppose mask-wearing when they wouldn't if he took the extremely easy step of just encouraging it & requiring them at rallies (it's not some kind of tyranny like you might feel when a governor doing it as you can just not go to the rally... which would be wise for every reason imaginable)... & he could even stop pretending it's over (as ANY fit president would be doing)

in closing, thanks to the president's leadership
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:49:59
great reporter question (paraphrased):

'you are saying to listen to local officials but in Tulsa & Arizona you DIDN'T listen to local officials, how can you say the campaign is not part of the problem?'

Pence is saying words in response, obviously not worth noting
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:52:13
she should just ask the question again as nothing he said was relevant to the question
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 12:56:03
good news (what the White House twitter IS putting out instead of any virus briefing info)

http://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1276555736244465667

summary: Trump altering the federal hiring process so he can get any unqualified unfit loyalist rather than people w/ any experience or degrees (message appropriately provided by Ivanka)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 26 21:35:57
per New York Times:

"A Russian spy unit secretly offered bounties to militants in Afghanistan for killing American troops, U.S. intelligence officials found. Trump and White House have known for months, but not authorized any response."

article (i don't have subscription):
http://www...ssia-afghanistan-bounties.html

as punishment Trump has been trying again to get Putin back into the G7

grossly unfit for office
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 27 12:22:39
"
I was going to go to Bedminster, New Jersey, this weekend, but wanted to stay in Washington, D.C. to make sure LAW & ORDER is enforced. The arsonists, anarchists, looters, and agitators have been largely stopped...
...I am doing what is necessary to keep our communities safe — and these people will be brought to Justice!
"
~total fraud

so i knew this was a lie when he said it (because he said it, plus makes no sense)

well... guess where he is?

GOLFING at his -Virginia- golf club... as Bedminster had rain in forecast


what.a.lying.piece.of.shit.


..."It's the 271st time he has been at one of his golf clubs and 363rd time at one of his properties in his presidency, per CNN tally"

so he'll manage a full year at his properties in his 4 year term


"I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done. I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off. You don’t have time to take time off."
~ fraud
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 28 12:10:30
"100 Reasons Trump Is Unfit to Be President"
(a timeline of unfitness if you need a walk down memory lane)

http://the...rump-is-unfit-to-be-president/

i would've expounded on some, they don't capture the full ridiculousness

(...and i won't care if you cultists pull out a few & say they don't matter)


article was written before we learned about Trump ignoring Putin hunting our troops & his guaranteed pathetic response (he's already suggesting fake news)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 28 12:45:54
"
When a sitting President is repeatedly accused of being compromised, acts like he's compromised, takes steps to avoid any investigative oversight, and fights to the death to keep taxes, financials, and business dealings secret, how does ALL of America not ask: WTF is he hiding?
"
~ Duty To Warn (twitter: @duty2warn)


good question... he's either compromised (there's plenty of reasons to believe he's involved in Russian money laundering, & why wouldn't he be really... he has no ethics, has a good business setup for it & is easily manipulated)

or it's his severe mental illnesses... either way, totally unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 29 23:24:17
"
95% Approval Rating of President Trump in the Republican Party. I would imagine the 5% are the RINOS’ and stupid people who don’t want to see great Judges & Supreme Court Justice’s, a new & powerful Military, Choice for Vets, 2A Protection, big RegulationCuts, Life, & much more!
"
~ pure garbage

this is the first time he's backpedaled the approval %... either he forgot he had raised it to 96% or he's backing up to give himself some more room to ramp up as election nears
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 00:00:24
"
In hundreds of highly classified phone calls with foreign heads of state, President Donald Trump was so consistently unprepared for discussion of serious issues, so often outplayed in his conversations with powerful leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdogan, and so abusive to leaders of America's principal allies, that the calls helped convince some senior US officials -- including his former secretaries of state and defense, two national security advisers and his longest-serving chief of staff -- that the President himself posed a danger to the national security of the United States, according to White House and intelligence officials intimately familiar with the contents of the conversations.

The calls caused former top Trump deputies -- including national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, Defense Secretary James Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and White House chief of staff John Kelly, as well as intelligence officials -- to conclude that the President was often "delusional," as two sources put it, in his dealings with foreign leaders. The sources said there was little evidence that the President became more skillful or competent in his telephone conversations with most heads of state over time. Rather, he continued to believe that he could either charm, jawbone or bully almost any foreign leader into capitulating to his will, and often pursued goals more attuned to his own agenda than what many of his senior advisers considered the national interest.

...

Trump incessantly boasted to his fellow heads of state, including Saudi Arabia's autocratic royal heir Mohammed bin Salman and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, about his own wealth, genius, "great" accomplishments as President, and the "idiocy" of his Oval Office predecessors, according to the sources.

...

Two sources compared many of the President's conversations with foreign leaders to Trump's recent press "briefings" on the coronavirus pandemic: free form, fact-deficient stream-of-consciousness ramblings, full of fantasy and off-the-wall pronouncements based on his intuitions, guesswork, the opinions of Fox News TV hosts and social media misinformation.

...
"
<cont'd>
http://www...l-security-concerns/index.html

but can't possibly be true even though it sounds exactly like him & like numerous accounts already revealed & how we've even seen him ourselves (like the virus briefings mentioned)...

you supporters are fucking nuts

(or maybe kargen will go with his phone calls with other leaders don't matter... or he's just trolling the media with his gross unfitness...)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 02:00:34
more of the two-bit conman campaign's fundraising texts:

http://pbs...gAAq7lC?format=jpg&name=medium

preying on their gullible fans... quality behavior
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 12:16:32
"
We must have no stigma, none, about wearing masks when we leave our homes and come near other people. Wearing simple face coverings is not about protecting ourselves, it is about protecting everyone we encounter.
"
~ Trump... did anyone believe that?... hopefully not, he can't speak like that as he's a moron child (provide another explanation if you can)... the comment was from Mitch McConnell

even Trump's people (CPoSPS Kayleigh, Alex Azar, probably others) claim Trump supports masks... he says it with his eyes i guess...


absolutely nothing as usual from Trump on his platform of speaking... LOTS about statue damage though... the key issue of our time

Trump was last to take the virus seriously (& quickly lost interest), & will be last to taking masks seriously (if he ever does)... what a great 'leader'...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 16:13:50
"This president, I'll tell you, is the most informed person on planet earth when it comes to the threats that we face."
~ pink lady Kayleigh
jergul
large member
Tue Jun 30 16:17:55
I heard her called Barbie Goebbels. I laughed.
kargen
Member
Tue Jun 30 18:43:53
"or maybe kargen will go with his phone calls with other leaders don't matter."

Nope those phone calls can matter.

You got the transcripts?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 19:04:25
being willfully stupid again are we?

but yes, we -do- have some transcripts... ukraine call #1... NOTHING of substance, & Trump saying he understands Ukraine due to their beauty pageant contestants...

ukraine call #2 - the ONLY thing of interest to Trump was personal interest investigations of Biden (his initial paragraph just setting up how Ukraine need to be more reciprocal... then hey, here's a favor request, what a coincidence)

plus the numerous early reports of Mexico & Australia calls...

do you think he's just managed to hide being an informed professional taking the job seriously from the public for 4 years? that all of his off-teleprompter ignorance & behavior is trolling the left?

how about you produce a transcript of him sounding like an informed professional? they don't even give proper readouts anymore (perhaps as they got caught w/ the fake ukraine one, or it's just too difficult to spin his idiocy into something sane)

you are a lost soul (& crazy)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 19:12:07
...and included in call #2 was his IDIOTIC request for them to investigate Crowdstrike, believing Ukraine might have the DNC server... which no one but him is looking for... & is him still trying to defend Russia (only reason he wants server is believing based on nothing that Russia didn't hack it)

therefore -impossible- to pretend he prepared for that call

the guy that makes it completely obvious he never prepares, in fact never prepares...

but i'm sure you'll fail to notice
kargen
Member
Tue Jun 30 19:44:05
"the ONLY thing of interest to Trump was personal interest investigations of Biden"

Also important to the country as Biden and his whole clan are crooked as anybody you could find in organized crime.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 20:11:36
so is there now extensive investigation into the things he asked Ukraine to investigate as it's so important to the United States? (And for which he decided not to include anyone, except his personal lawyer, from our side... plus he claims Ukraine is massively corrupt... so get a corrupt foreign country and his lunatic lawyer to investigate a supposedly critical issue to our country... that's what you're defending)

plus your defense to him asking about Crowdstrike is?

and your defense to him always being ill-informed in public is? (thus suggesting he's the same in private, even without the dozens of reports about it)


Is there any individual who could speak about his incompetence and you'd believe it rather than deciding every single person has been lying?

you are really getting pathetic in your support of the obvious unfit clown... at least Rugian just is fearful of the alternative, you actively defend the indefensible and ignore the obvious
kargen
Member
Tue Jun 30 22:32:01
"and your defense to him always being ill-informed in public is?"
I don't defend his manners. I don't put the same importance on them as you.

Don't give a shit one way or another with him asking about Crowdstrike. Maybe I should but I just don't. Nothing became of it one way or the other so why dwell?

"Is there any individual who could speak about his incompetence and you'd believe it rather than deciding every single person has been lying?"

See this is where you keep fucking up. I'm not saying I don't believe some of these things. I am saying they don't add up to him being unfit for office. Him asking silly questions isn't reason for removal.

And it seems it needs said once again. No matter how bad President Trump is right now what the Democrats have offered up is exponentially worse. Democrats claim that the president is corrupt and mentally unstable and Biden is the answer? That is all kinds of fucked up. Biden is much much worse on both. Biden did get something right when he said, "I've done dumb things and I'll do dumb things again." That was his response when the press found out he cheated on a paper in law school. He was right he is still doing dumb things and has in fact graduated to asinine.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 30 22:54:30
how does ill-informed = manners?

----------

"Crowdstrike... why dwell?"

because it's 100% proof of his moronic incompetence?

----------

"Him asking silly questions"

what about him being easily manipulated by our enemies while pissing off our allies over his pettiness? or him making decisions on COMPLETELY wrong information that sometimes he just makes-up...

---------

"Biden is much much worse on both"

doubleplus false... even if Biden has slowed at least he's not tweeting or speaking his craziness to the world... he doesn't make up his own facts & think they're real... he -would- read his briefings & pay attention
(there's no point trying to compare, Trump doesn't do the job at all & is unfit in every aspect)

----------

btw, what other world leader does 'tweets don't matter' apply to? who else is putting out total nonsense (allegedly, by only you, just to troll opposition)... you don't think his fans are reading it & believing it?

you are a loon

may your mental fog lift before it's too late
kargen
Member
Wed Jul 01 02:43:49
"how does ill-informed = manners?"

I misread that part. Shit happens.

"Biden has slowed at least he's not tweeting or speaking his craziness to the world"

Probably because his wife has to tweet for him after cutting up his dinner.
kargen
Member
Wed Jul 01 02:46:38
"btw, what other world leader does 'tweets don't matter' apply to?"

All of them. I'm a fair person. That being said some tweets might matter. Ones that actually call for violence and shit like that. Not the mind reading we really know what the president is saying crap that you do.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 01 11:52:27
are you a really old person who thinks computers are just a young whippersnappers fad or something?

your position on Twitter makes no sense... it's how Trump is speaking to the public, he says so himself... they are official statements as established by his first PoSPS & in court cases & by his own words

no other leader is out there posting crazy nonsense (& for good reason)

& -you- are the mind reader who comes up w/ made-up defenses for him (like all his insanity on twitter is just to troll the left)

see him suggesting the buffalo protester was Antifa & trying to block police communication based entirely off an OANN story that was based entirely off the video... can YOU determine that from the video? has any law enforcement even by now said he was antifa or blocking comms? could Trump not contact literally anyone w/ info before posting nuttery? did OANN end the segment w/ 'just kidding'? does Trump seem like he's kidding when he promotes OANN or criticizes Fox for not being on his side enough?

when he tells his cultists to hate an organization or person does it not work because it's on Twitter? (-which is identical to him just saying it in anywhere-)

your views are clearly nuts, there's no way around it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 01 11:58:43
...and i assure you world leaders are watching his tweets as he shows exactly what his little mind is thinking about

call him up & say 'yeah, man, you gotta protect those statues, law & order all the way' then he'll give you whatever you want
kargen
Member
Wed Jul 01 14:40:06
"when he tells his cultists to hate an organization or person does it not work because it's on Twitter? (-which is identical to him just saying it in anywhere-)"

Nah that works both ways. If President Trump tweeted don't stay at Holiday Inn they suck some people would quit staying there and others would make it a point to stay there. But it doesn't become policy so in the grand scheme no it doesn't matter.

Now if he tweeted all my minions go burn down a Holiday Inn this weekend, that would be a problem. To this point and time he has done nothing like that.

Quit getting your outrage from watching Don Lemon and you will be much happier.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 01 17:37:24
so you have the same standards for the President of the United States as you do for a regular run-of-the-mill cult leader?


btw, he's now saying (out loud) he believes the story of Russians placing bounties is a hoax... which came from the intel community... so again undermining our intel community... to defend Russia... (although still totally fucked up even taking Russia out of it)

W.H.Y.?

==================

& more nazism from team Trump:
http://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1278450460786135040
(& no, it's not just about having an eagle)
kargen
Member
Wed Jul 01 18:52:09
According to a good part of the intel community we don't know if this is true or not and the leak undermined the efforts to verify.

So you got that.

No I have higher standards for the President. You are confused again. I have zero standards for tweets. Twitter is for entertainment and conversing only. Nobody should be going there for real information or in the president's case policy.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 01 19:03:22
"Nobody should be going there for real information or in the president's case policy"

WHY... he announces policy there... if he wasn't a fucking incompetent moron you wouldn't have to have this crazy notion (no other first-world country's residents have to have that crazy notion either)

=======

as to the Russia intel... it doesn't matter if true or not... he says he believes it's all a hoax by the Dems & media... but we -know- it didn't come from the Dems or media... congress was briefed on it by intel, it -obviously- came from the intel community

by saying it's a hoax, he's saying the intel community is creating hoaxes (not even new for him)... & again BASED ON NOTHING

you are fucking nuts if you think that's acceptable, the president should not be undermining our intel community repeatedly based on nothing... does that really need said?

(plus it just happens to be for Russia's benefit again... both in defending their possible action, plus just undermining all faith in our intel agencies)

as you will dismiss all of this, your continued support proves you are fucking nuts

please have yourself committed for your own good
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 01 19:33:18
Almost to 40. Impressive.

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