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smart dude
Member Thu Jun 25 04:40:48
Glad these racist companies are finally rebranding their offensive mascots.

Uncle Ben:
Uncle Ben is racist as fuck because "Ben" is a stereotypical black name. Rice is a stereotypical black food. And the word "uncle" is racist because people referred to black men as "uncle" because "Mr." is too formal for a black person. (Forget about Uncle Sam or Uncle Pennybags (aka the Monoply guy) because FUCK YOU RACIST. Also he is wearing a white collar. That is RACIST because black servants used to wear white collars (Yeah everyone wore and still wears white collars to this day but FUCK YOU RACIST.)

Aunt Jemima:
RACIST. Because whites referred to black women as "Aunt" instead of "Mrs."

Mrs. Butterworth
FUCK YOU RACIST

You fucking racist assholes. Black people aren't represented enough in pop culture. And black people are too often used in pop culture. FUCK YOU RACIST.

smart dude
Member Thu Jun 25 05:00:14
We are a RACIST society. We need more content like Black Panther, which was created by white people who were playing off the IRONY of an advanced African civilization.

So sick of racist fucks.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 05:04:13
Outrage about corporate rebranding is a bit odd.

The whole point of mass produced products is mass appeal.

If a segment of the market indicates it does not find the branding appealing, then of course the branding will change.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 05:05:07
The mistake would be to think that rebranding denotes a fundamental change in society.

Pillz
Member Thu Jun 25 05:42:54
Retard comrade jergul can't see that nobody should be giving into this anymore then anyone should give into televangalism.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 06:26:56
Pillz
Comrade Pillz needs to better understand the fundamentals of the capitalist system and how supply and demand regulates its marketplace.

Lenin is dead. You must learn new ways.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 06:30:23
On reviewing some of your other posts.

My bad. I mistook your lack of understanding for a old school 1950s era communism. But in fact, you are just a retard.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 06:30:54
for old school*

Forwyn
Member Thu Jun 25 08:06:19
The problem, of course, is mega Corps analyzing Twitter trends and thinking the rage mob that graduated from Tumblr is a relevant market outside of the internet.

Rugian
Member Thu Jun 25 08:17:31
What even is this thread lol

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 08:57:40
Jergul, Its more than mere corporate rebranding. It's part of a cultural movement of over the top PC culture. That is the exact kind of stuff that played into why people liked Trump, he was the anti-PC amd still is.

Even many Liberals don't like this ober the top cancel.culture.

Obama , Bill Maher and the Simpson's off the top of my head.

The Simpsons who in the 90s brought us characters like Lisa Simpson and brought Buddhist vegetarians into the main stream in a palatable manner get attacked because of apu. Mimd you once again they made a south Asian into more than a 2d caricature. They gabe him a wife, kids, in laws political and religious beliefs , went through the same sort of problems as everyone would but because his accent soumds like the guy from short circuit they slander the Simpson's who arguably have done more to help anti bigotry than any other TV show IMO.

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 09:06:55
Also I think at the root of the problem is this.

A very small vocal minority is pissed about what seems like everything.

But in main stream media if you counter that position you get labled as Bigot, racist , alt right crazy.

So the result is that a very small minority os pushing its way of life onto the majority. These individual cases get brought up more to show just how absurd some of this is getting.

Rugian
Member Thu Jun 25 09:08:59
Yeah Jergul's problem is that he confuses mobs with majoritarian rule.

In reality it only takes a handful of people with pitchforks and torches to conduct a lynching.

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 09:12:36
It's like they are going so far into the crazy that we will miss Obama style politics.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 12:15:12
The problem is mostly that you are mostly stupid.

Every revolutionary change including your own initially involves very few people. The current theory is that 3% is enough to initiate revolutionary change.

I was never suggesting the majority of Americans were insulted by this or that branding.

Rebranding needs very few people disliking the current brand to trigger change to something that fewer people find offensive.

Why alienate a few consumers? Where is the upside?

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 12:37:31
The issue is you are short sighted.

These people led to Donald Trump being voted into the office of President of the United States of America.

The law of unintended consequences can be far reaching.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 12:50:12
The electors you mean? Because it certainly was not the majority of US voters.

You are making too big a deal of corporations rebranding a few of literally 10s of thousands cosumer products.

They are doing it because products meant for mass consumption are not marketed efficiently in ways that alienate a part of the consumer base.

The least common denominator rules.

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 13:08:27
Yes, I get it... Europeans dislike the electoral college and would prefer that California elects the potus because it favors their views better.

These rebrandings by themselves are nothing, the movement behind them is the real issue.

Forwyn
Member Thu Jun 25 13:10:23
"Why alienate a few consumers?"

Why pretend these people were consumers in the first place?

Why pretend that the onus is on a brand to change course after decades?

Why pretend that the vocal minority is larger than the reactionaries who will stop purchasing?

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 13:15:59
Forwyn, Thing is that its not likely people will boycott the products either way.

Forwyn
Member Thu Jun 25 13:21:11
I'm happy to find some small, black-owned syrup makers on a matter of principle, instead of buying from cucked white executives.

But I acknowledge I'm just the mirror side of the vocal minority.

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 13:23:28
Forwyn, I agree in principle. My point is I dont see it being large enough of a movement to habe a real effect.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 13:39:46
Forwyn
I am not putting an onus on corporations. They will do what they think is best for them and their stockholders.

I wait with baited breath for reactionaries who will identify, then boycott whatever new brands replace the old ones.

kargen
Member Thu Jun 25 13:51:56
thinking the popular vote matters in any way would be like a soccer team thinking they should have won the game even though they scored less goals because they controlled the ball longer.

If the popular vote mattered both candidates would have run different campaigns. They would have done all their campaigning in only five states.

So here is what will happen. Corporate mascots when they are represented by a person are all going to become some generic white person. Ten years from now people are going to be bitching that minorities are not being represented as product mascots. Forward thinking corporations seeing this will happen will decide to use puppies kittens and baby ducks for mascots instead. That will of course piss PETA off and all mascots will have to be changed into a small stack of pebbles.

jergul
large member Thu Jun 25 15:13:16
Kargen
The popular vote matters as it provides moral authority to go with the political position.

Branding will flow with the times. Its what makes corporate sense.

Which is probably at the crux of the outrage.

kargen
Member Thu Jun 25 18:12:53
No the popular vote does not matter because it is not the metric used. If it mattered campaigns would be run different. As is there is no reason for a conservative to waste time in California because the state is deep deep blue. If popular votes mattered conservatives would spend a good amount of time in California because the population would warrant it. A good politician knowing the electorate is what counts rallies the voters that matter for the electoral votes. That is why Hillary lost. She spent the last few weeks of the campaign mostly in California holding events with celebrities instead of hitting swing states hard. had she ventured out among the despicable she would have won.

Wrath of Orion
Member Thu Jun 25 19:00:39
kargen means that the popular vote doesn't decide the election, so it doesn't matter to him.

kargen
Member Thu Jun 25 20:15:38
No I mean it does not matter in any way because the candidates are not concerned with the popular vote.
If it mattered in any way shape or form all presidential candidates would change their strategies when campaigning.

The candidates are not trying to win the popular vote. How the popular vote turns out in an electoral election is not a reliable indicator of how the popular vote would turn out if it mattered.
The popular vote matters less than polls. That is a sad truth considering how unreliable polls have become.

Habebe
Member Thu Jun 25 21:05:58
Kargen, I don't know, I mean a large enough win in the popular vote can help give a mandate, if coupled with a win, which means the EC.

smart dude
Member Thu Jun 25 22:00:09
what is this shit? this thread is about racist mascots

When I was a kid I went to the grocery store and I asked my mom, "Why is this nigger on our box of rice?"

My mom was like "don't ever say that word...but yes, there should not be a nigger on this box of rice. That is RACIST."

FUCKING RACISTS.

jergul
large member Fri Jun 26 02:09:39
Kargen
Politicians not attempting to gain popular support for tactical reasons simply have less of a moral mandate than they otherwise would have.

Its easy enough to see. I used it just now in a discussion with habebe to shoot down his argument on Trump's massive support.

jergul
large member Fri Jun 26 02:11:08
SD
Nice post with the use of "nigger" neatly illustrating that changing corporate branding does not change much more than the brands.

Good job (I know it was intentional).

kargen
Member Fri Jun 26 14:02:25
Popular support matters after you win. During the election a candidate should concentrate on delegates. Concentrating on delegates means avoiding states you have no chance of winning meaning you will have little influence on the popular vote in those states. The vote isn't an indication of popular support because that isn't what matters. Leading up to the election the team needs to poll to find out hot button issues and after the election popular opinion will (or should) drive legislation. THe actual numbers from the election though don't matter at all. Some like to pretend they matter and claim a mandate but truth is the numbers are not a good indication of what the numbers would be if the candidates chased the popular vote.

Habebe
Member Fri Jun 26 14:05:07
"
Its easy enough to see. I used it just now in a discussion with habebe to shoot down his argument on Trump's massive support."

What? What thread are.ypu taking about?

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smart dude Member	Thu Jun 25 04:40:48 Glad these racist companies are finally rebranding their offensive mascots. Uncle Ben: Uncle Ben is racist as fuck because "Ben" is a stereotypical black name. Rice is a stereotypical black food. And the word "uncle" is racist because people referred to black men as "uncle" because "Mr." is too formal for a black person. (Forget about Uncle Sam or Uncle Pennybags (aka the Monoply guy) because FUCK YOU RACIST. Also he is wearing a white collar. That is RACIST because black servants used to wear white collars (Yeah everyone wore and still wears white collars to this day but FUCK YOU RACIST.) Aunt Jemima: RACIST. Because whites referred to black women as "Aunt" instead of "Mrs." Mrs. Butterworth FUCK YOU RACIST You fucking racist assholes. Black people aren't represented enough in pop culture. And black people are too often used in pop culture. FUCK YOU RACIST.
smart dude Member	Thu Jun 25 05:00:14 We are a RACIST society. We need more content like Black Panther, which was created by white people who were playing off the IRONY of an advanced African civilization. So sick of racist fucks.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 05:04:13 Outrage about corporate rebranding is a bit odd. The whole point of mass produced products is mass appeal. If a segment of the market indicates it does not find the branding appealing, then of course the branding will change.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 05:05:07 The mistake would be to think that rebranding denotes a fundamental change in society.
Pillz Member	Thu Jun 25 05:42:54 Retard comrade jergul can't see that nobody should be giving into this anymore then anyone should give into televangalism.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 06:26:56 Pillz Comrade Pillz needs to better understand the fundamentals of the capitalist system and how supply and demand regulates its marketplace. Lenin is dead. You must learn new ways.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 06:30:23 On reviewing some of your other posts. My bad. I mistook your lack of understanding for a old school 1950s era communism. But in fact, you are just a retard.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 06:30:54 for old school*
Forwyn Member	Thu Jun 25 08:06:19 The problem, of course, is mega Corps analyzing Twitter trends and thinking the rage mob that graduated from Tumblr is a relevant market outside of the internet.
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 25 08:17:31 What even is this thread lol
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 08:57:40 Jergul, Its more than mere corporate rebranding. It's part of a cultural movement of over the top PC culture. That is the exact kind of stuff that played into why people liked Trump, he was the anti-PC amd still is. Even many Liberals don't like this ober the top cancel.culture. Obama , Bill Maher and the Simpson's off the top of my head. The Simpsons who in the 90s brought us characters like Lisa Simpson and brought Buddhist vegetarians into the main stream in a palatable manner get attacked because of apu. Mimd you once again they made a south Asian into more than a 2d caricature. They gabe him a wife, kids, in laws political and religious beliefs , went through the same sort of problems as everyone would but because his accent soumds like the guy from short circuit they slander the Simpson's who arguably have done more to help anti bigotry than any other TV show IMO.
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 09:06:55 Also I think at the root of the problem is this. A very small vocal minority is pissed about what seems like everything. But in main stream media if you counter that position you get labled as Bigot, racist , alt right crazy. So the result is that a very small minority os pushing its way of life onto the majority. These individual cases get brought up more to show just how absurd some of this is getting.
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 25 09:08:59 Yeah Jergul's problem is that he confuses mobs with majoritarian rule. In reality it only takes a handful of people with pitchforks and torches to conduct a lynching.
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 09:12:36 It's like they are going so far into the crazy that we will miss Obama style politics.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 12:15:12 The problem is mostly that you are mostly stupid. Every revolutionary change including your own initially involves very few people. The current theory is that 3% is enough to initiate revolutionary change. I was never suggesting the majority of Americans were insulted by this or that branding. Rebranding needs very few people disliking the current brand to trigger change to something that fewer people find offensive. Why alienate a few consumers? Where is the upside?
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 12:37:31 The issue is you are short sighted. These people led to Donald Trump being voted into the office of President of the United States of America. The law of unintended consequences can be far reaching.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 12:50:12 The electors you mean? Because it certainly was not the majority of US voters. You are making too big a deal of corporations rebranding a few of literally 10s of thousands cosumer products. They are doing it because products meant for mass consumption are not marketed efficiently in ways that alienate a part of the consumer base. The least common denominator rules.
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 13:08:27 Yes, I get it... Europeans dislike the electoral college and would prefer that California elects the potus because it favors their views better. These rebrandings by themselves are nothing, the movement behind them is the real issue.
Forwyn Member	Thu Jun 25 13:10:23 "Why alienate a few consumers?" Why pretend these people were consumers in the first place? Why pretend that the onus is on a brand to change course after decades? Why pretend that the vocal minority is larger than the reactionaries who will stop purchasing?
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 13:15:59 Forwyn, Thing is that its not likely people will boycott the products either way.
Forwyn Member	Thu Jun 25 13:21:11 I'm happy to find some small, black-owned syrup makers on a matter of principle, instead of buying from cucked white executives. But I acknowledge I'm just the mirror side of the vocal minority.
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 13:23:28 Forwyn, I agree in principle. My point is I dont see it being large enough of a movement to habe a real effect.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 13:39:46 Forwyn I am not putting an onus on corporations. They will do what they think is best for them and their stockholders. I wait with baited breath for reactionaries who will identify, then boycott whatever new brands replace the old ones.
kargen Member	Thu Jun 25 13:51:56 thinking the popular vote matters in any way would be like a soccer team thinking they should have won the game even though they scored less goals because they controlled the ball longer. If the popular vote mattered both candidates would have run different campaigns. They would have done all their campaigning in only five states. So here is what will happen. Corporate mascots when they are represented by a person are all going to become some generic white person. Ten years from now people are going to be bitching that minorities are not being represented as product mascots. Forward thinking corporations seeing this will happen will decide to use puppies kittens and baby ducks for mascots instead. That will of course piss PETA off and all mascots will have to be changed into a small stack of pebbles.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 25 15:13:16 Kargen The popular vote matters as it provides moral authority to go with the political position. Branding will flow with the times. Its what makes corporate sense. Which is probably at the crux of the outrage.
kargen Member	Thu Jun 25 18:12:53 No the popular vote does not matter because it is not the metric used. If it mattered campaigns would be run different. As is there is no reason for a conservative to waste time in California because the state is deep deep blue. If popular votes mattered conservatives would spend a good amount of time in California because the population would warrant it. A good politician knowing the electorate is what counts rallies the voters that matter for the electoral votes. That is why Hillary lost. She spent the last few weeks of the campaign mostly in California holding events with celebrities instead of hitting swing states hard. had she ventured out among the despicable she would have won.
Wrath of Orion Member	Thu Jun 25 19:00:39 kargen means that the popular vote doesn't decide the election, so it doesn't matter to him.
kargen Member	Thu Jun 25 20:15:38 No I mean it does not matter in any way because the candidates are not concerned with the popular vote. If it mattered in any way shape or form all presidential candidates would change their strategies when campaigning. The candidates are not trying to win the popular vote. How the popular vote turns out in an electoral election is not a reliable indicator of how the popular vote would turn out if it mattered. The popular vote matters less than polls. That is a sad truth considering how unreliable polls have become.
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 25 21:05:58 Kargen, I don't know, I mean a large enough win in the popular vote can help give a mandate, if coupled with a win, which means the EC.
smart dude Member	Thu Jun 25 22:00:09 what is this shit? this thread is about racist mascots When I was a kid I went to the grocery store and I asked my mom, "Why is this nigger on our box of rice?" My mom was like "don't ever say that word...but yes, there should not be a nigger on this box of rice. That is RACIST." FUCKING RACISTS.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 26 02:09:39 Kargen Politicians not attempting to gain popular support for tactical reasons simply have less of a moral mandate than they otherwise would have. Its easy enough to see. I used it just now in a discussion with habebe to shoot down his argument on Trump's massive support.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 26 02:11:08 SD Nice post with the use of "nigger" neatly illustrating that changing corporate branding does not change much more than the brands. Good job (I know it was intentional).
kargen Member	Fri Jun 26 14:02:25 Popular support matters after you win. During the election a candidate should concentrate on delegates. Concentrating on delegates means avoiding states you have no chance of winning meaning you will have little influence on the popular vote in those states. The vote isn't an indication of popular support because that isn't what matters. Leading up to the election the team needs to poll to find out hot button issues and after the election popular opinion will (or should) drive legislation. THe actual numbers from the election though don't matter at all. Some like to pretend they matter and claim a mandate but truth is the numbers are not a good indication of what the numbers would be if the candidates chased the popular vote.
Habebe Member	Fri Jun 26 14:05:07 " Its easy enough to see. I used it just now in a discussion with habebe to shoot down his argument on Trump's massive support." What? What thread are.ypu taking about?
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