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CHINA RULZ USA SUCKS Member	Sat Jul 04 11:04:22 LOOKIN MAP! OWND WOND WIND WIBD WS http://www...eb-4af0-8031-aa0f01a46a7c.html Countries that criticized or defended China’s security law for Hong Kong at the UN Supporting: China, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahrain, Belarus, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Comoros, Congo-Brazzaville, Cuba, Djibouti, Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Lesotho, Mauritania, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Papua New Guinea, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, UAE, Venezuela, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe. Opposing: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Belize, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Germany, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Palau, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.K.
Habebe Member	Sat Jul 04 11:55:29 You are 3/5 of a person at best.
Habebe Member	Sat Jul 04 11:56:56 China is backed by an assortment of "not free" and "partially free" countries, including many of the world's most brutal dictatorships — North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria.
The Children Member	Sat Jul 04 12:11:43 lol ur backed by retard countries. vietnam also joined chinas side. F u colonizers lmao.
The Children Member	Sat Jul 04 13:30:07 update that list. its 70 vs 27 vassals and coerced "allies" now
Habebe Member	Sat Jul 04 18:48:16 Its funny that you willingly want to be associated with most of those countries. Speaking of NK, how does NK fit onto your super race?
The Children Member	Sun Jul 05 01:34:08 lmao. we have latinos, arabs, africans, asians and whites supportin us. u have whities and 2 coerced asians supportin u. who represents the world more. u or us. u just got owned. whitey colonizers do not speak 4 da rest of da world, kid.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 02:21:16 Never mind "I can't breath" and the hypocracy revolving around that. Regarding the internal affairs of a country to be its own is a legitimate position.
Habebe Member	Sun Jul 05 02:39:17 Jergul, One does not need to be perfect. Its much easier to have pleasant race relations when yournlike 98% the same race/ethnicity. The US has a long ways to go, but is also the most diverse of the major nations, at least we're trying.
Habebe Member	Sun Jul 05 02:44:41 As for HK, you consider HK a Chinese city, its history is much more complicated than that. What's next, Taiwan? China has been getting rebuffed for its actions, its neighbors and the world will and are letting China know to stay in there place. They are testing there limits like a country who has finally the ability to throw there weight around a bit, which is understandable.That said they are going to far to quick and XI isnt up to the task.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 02:59:51 Habebe Are you trying? Really? Never mind that you actually had slaves within living memory of my living memory, don't you find things have moved forward rediculously slowly since slavery was abolished? For a country that takes up as much space as yours does, it seems odd that you would complain about others. Taiwan is also part of China. Its perhaps the only thing Taiwanese and Chinese authorities agree on.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 03:48:25 My point is always the same btw. Bend your fucking knee and get in line behind Europe. If you want to do America First shit, then you are doing it on your own.
kargen Member	Sun Jul 05 03:48:48 Step off that high horse there jergul. Finland was auctioning children off as slaves as late as 1935 to save the government a bit of money. Some were still with the people that bid on them into the 1940s.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 03:53:52 Any more tidbits of whataboutism you would like to share with us Kargen? Foster home care is a travesty in any country.
Habebe Member	Sun Jul 05 05:04:14 "Never mind that you actually had slaves within living memory of my living memory, don't you find things have moved forward rediculously slowly since slavery was abolished?" So, the US abolished slavery 155 years ago. So as a nation a total of 89 years.Remember most of Europe had slavey til 1945 , and then the eastern block arguably until 1990. Its difficult to judge how fast or slow it had taken because. 1. Where do we have a quality comparison(s) 2. Things move faster now than 150 years ago or even 50 years ago. Im Europe's case most of there racial issues were shipped to Israel which is still a fucked situation to this day. "Taiwan is also part of China. Its perhaps the only thing Taiwanese and Chinese authorities agree on." Two different China's, the PRC and the ROC. That's like saying korea is one country. My point is always the same btw. Bend your fucking knee and get in line behind Europe. If you want to do America First shit, then you are doing it on your own." Not sure where you going with that? Please elaborate. ( sanctioning HK?) "
The Children Member	Sun Jul 05 05:47:34 fuckin whitey slaveowners and colonisers think they have a say in things around da world. lol. ur times of colonisation ended 100 years ago. deal with it. u got no say in other parts of da world. especially not when u have over 26 "security laws" in name of freedumbz! or was that 27. funny enough, thats da same amount of numba of countries supposedly standing with u? lmao u cant make this shit up. fuck u. the world stands with china. not with u toxic whiteys. http://www..._black_man_for_driving_a_nice/
The Children Member	Sun Jul 05 06:19:29 slaveowner habebe still thinks his country is the pillar of light and justice. lmao like wake the hell up kid. lmao u live in lalaland and the chocolate factory. look at that 26 countries. white as hell lol. that says it all right there doesnt it.
Paramount Member	Sun Jul 05 06:23:39 ” including many of the world's most brutal dictatorships” – Habebe Many of them are your allies that you protect and support because they are so good.
Rugian Member	Sun Jul 05 08:27:34 Jergul literally believes that a country can murder a billion people, but as long as the bloodshed doesnt spill outside it's own borders the rest of the world should take no action against it. Either that, or he just makes up whatever excuse he can to legitimize the disgusting behavior of the world's worst state actors (including his Russian beau). Oh and by the way, if China invades Taiwan, we are absolutely going to fuck them for it. Dont get your hopes up there pal.
Rugian Member	Sun Jul 05 08:30:41 Also Hong Kong IS an international affair, since the premature end of One Country Two Systems violates a treaty with the UK. Even if it was a purely domestic affair though, any decent Westerner should be upset at the forcible suppression of a liberalized society at the hands of one of the most totalitarian regimes in human history. Jergul is not a Westerner though.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 11:02:15 Ruggy You are not a Westerner. That is why your country needs to bend the knee and return to Western values. The legislation China passed does not violate the One Country Two Systems memoradum of understanding. Anyone not believing in a NWO with a single monolith global government would embrace the concepts that enshrine the sanctity of the nation-state. The sanctity is codified in the UN charter. A binding agreement that regulates how countries are deal with each other. Needless to say, the US is consistently in gross violation. All options on the table. PFFt.
Rugian Member	Sun Jul 05 11:15:58 jergul You are not a Westerner. A Westerner would be upset with the sight of a liberalized society being snuffed out at the hands of authoritarian communists. Your comments make your feelings on this clear. Not only do you not see China's actions as warranting punitive actions by the West, you seem to have come out as an active defender of the move. Your political beliefs are totally at odds with the civilization you are currently living in. Fortunately for you, Western liberalism means that you have a right to voice your opinion regardless. You would not be accorded such a right in the Chinese shithole you revere.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 11:30:27 Ruggy "I can't breath". We really should start sanctioning your country for all the people your regime kills. China has passed some security legislation. This is clearly in accordance with HKs "constitution". What exactly is actionable there? The EU has concerns with the wording and how it might be abused to curtail democratic discussion in Hong Kong. I agree. The wording could very well curtail democratic discussion. What China is actually worried about is the same thing you fought a civil war over. Its the concept of the indivisbility of the nation-state. The sanctity of the nation-state is at the core of western liberal democratic ideas. The integrity of democracy functions at a nation-state level. Hence the hysteria you show at the mere suggestion that other nationals may be trying to influence the outcomes of your elections. Leave other countries alone and deal with the very real problems you have at home.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 11:33:06 Also, feel free to stop pretending you are part of the west any time you like. You know what MAGA stands for, right? You do that, the West will do its own thing.
Rugian Member	Sun Jul 05 11:41:29 jergul Thanks for bringing up the "I can't breathe" comparison. In the US, cops who exercise brutality against citizens are fired, arrested, and charged with murder. In Hong Kong, they receive promotions. This is too easy. Anyway, feel free to demonstrate how One Country, Two Systems has enabled a credible separatist movement in Hong Kong. Oh wait, it hasn't. So enough of that rubbish. You are not a Westerner my friend.
Rugian Member	Sun Jul 05 11:46:07 jergul Your dogmatic insistence on using Westphalian, and only Westphalian, principles to guide your thinking on foreign relations is simply not credible. To put it plainly, there is nothing in that thinking that gives me any indication to believe that you'd be at all bothered if China butchered a billion Chinese people tomorrow. "Their people, their prerogative, no exceptions" is an astoundingly reductionist outlook.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 11:55:56 Ruggy Westphalia is the building block on which democracy is founded. I'll just ignore your ad-adsurdium fallacy if that's ok. Nothing works if the principle is violated. The only rational move without it is for every nation to aquire a nuclear arsenal as quickly as possible. Or the end of human era within 30 years or so. If you want to do the brute force approach, then start with a global government at least. Adhoc NWO entities like superpowers with delusions of grandeur demonstratably does not cut it.
Habebe Member	Sun Jul 05 11:57:36 Paramount, "Many of them are your allies that you protect and support because they are so good." Several are strategic allies of the U.S. It's one thing to ne strategic allies with a nation. Its another to have them supposedly side with them on matters.of human rights. "China has passed some security legislation. This is clearly in accordance with HKs "constitution". What exactly is actionable there?" How is clear? The Nation involved in the handover has expressed that it violates the treaty, as well a good deal of the citizens, jesus Christ where else do you see 2 straight years of riots/protests?
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 11:58:07 In the US, cops who exercise brutality against citizens are rarely fired, arrested, and charged with murder. they usually receive promotions. Fixed that for you.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 12:01:15 Habebe It does not violate the agreement, nor HK basic law (its "constitution"). We have already done this. China is responsible for HK security is the sum of it.
Rugian Member	Sun Jul 05 12:03:31 jergul I don't think you actually know what Westphalia is. The rest of your post is bonkers as you are arguing against something no one here has advocated. R2P is not seriously being considered in response to Hong Kong's destruction. That's not the same thing as saying that China shouldn't be heavily penalized on the diplomatic and economic front. Taiwan is of course a different matter as it has been effectively independent since the 40s. Even you have to recognize the situation on the ground there. There isn't a single Westerner who thinks the ascendancy of China is a good thing, or will improve the prospects of Western liberalism over the long term. The fact that you support their rise regardless is merely another sign that you are not a Westerner.
Rugian Member	Sun Jul 05 12:03:58 *should be heavily
The Children Member	Sun Jul 05 12:30:44 "Oh and by the way, if China invades Taiwan, we are absolutely going to fuck them for it. Dont get your hopes up there pal. " >> rightwing idiot rugiot thinks he can win against china. HOW DID THE AFGHAN WAR WORK OUT 4U, IDIOT.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 12:32:52 I am certain you have no idea of what a Westerner is. You would not recognize the Western, democratic, humanist, liberal tradition is it bit you on the ass.
The Children Member	Sun Jul 05 12:35:22 "There isn't a single Westerner who thinks the ascendancy of China is a good thing" >> well too bad 4u clowns, its not up 2 u. battle of gallipoli. the french and british didnt think the ascendancy of ottoman turks was a good thing and decided 2 send in troops 2 "conquer turkey". after a failed assault and 250k troops dead, the campaign was ended in a massive humiliatin defeat and heraldin the end of the british and french empires. fuck u, rugiot. u still talkin like as if u get 2 decide who is a supapowa and who isnt. lmao u livin in lalaland and the chocolate factory aint u.
kargen Member	Sun Jul 05 18:55:39 "Any more tidbits of whataboutism you would like to share with us Kargen?" No that one made my point. You are acting as if your shit doesn't stink. Don't get all indignant about some countries slow response to slavery when your own countries was much worse.
jergul large member	Sun Jul 05 21:38:03 The travesty that was foster care everywhere does not make your point. Nor does the slow introduction of child labour laws everywhere make it either. 1935 was about the year Jonny Cash and his siblings began picking cotton is it not? Lets not even harp about how one of his brother's died working as best his small hands could.
jergul large member	Mon Jul 06 05:26:06 Well, the first person is being charged and tried under the new law. He rammed his motorcycle into a line of policemen with a banner attached to his motorcycle saying "Liberate Hong Kong". Allegedly, but his lawyers are discussing more what liberate means than contesting the events. Denied bail. Trial in October. Ramming into a police line with a vehicle in the US in similar conditions would be charged how exactly? Attempted murder and terrorism seem two candidates.
Rugian Member	Mon Jul 06 06:33:22 Attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. Neither of which require a national supression law to charge.
The Children Member	Mon Jul 06 07:23:31 no rugiot, he wuldnt be charged at all in the usofslaves. becoz he wuld be dead long before he reaches court! any weapon drawn against us cops, means they can kill u on sight. stfu
The Children Member	Mon Jul 06 07:57:15 u dumb piece of shit. u think a guy usin a bike to ram into cops with slogans of independdance wuld still be alive. the moment he rams into the first cops, the rest will pull out there gun and shoot 20 times of which 10 wuld connect and he be gunned down on film and noone in the usa wuld give a ratsass becoz it wuld either be labelled "terrorist" or " self defense". ur double whitey standards r on display here. and boy is it ugly.
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