Utopia Talk / Politics / Attempted St Louis Lynching (cont.)

Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Jul 24 17:03:07 tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Jul 24 16:47:55 "i wouldn't say it's as bad as entering a fenced yard" It's objectively worse. Look at what the chimps did to the gate: http://www...2a-9372-4494-b8ee-41d5d4d71b61
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Jul 31 08:14:14 tw sees nothing wrong with this. http://www...f7-2dab-4d2e-8521-f80064c17f61 St. Louis prosecutor used McCloskey case in campaign literature and should be dismissed, according to new motion
Habebe Member	Fri Jul 31 08:30:41 Honestly he just went on about this until I got to.the poimt of noy caring. To his credit he kept coming up with new shit about he wasnt just repeating himself.
Rugian Member	Fri Jul 31 11:31:23 St. Louis prosecutor to detective on McCloskey case: 'I suggest you quickly reassess this evidence' Documents show lead detective initially refused to sign documents prosecutors wrote about the case Author: Christine Byers (KSDK) Published: 9:23 PM CDT July 30, 2020 Updated: 7:48 AM CDT July 31, 2020 ST. LOUIS — The lead St. Louis police detective investigating the McCloskey case refused to sign at least two versions of court documents prosecutors drafted, according to a review of those documents obtained by 5 On Your Side. In addition, police contend at least one person in the crowd was armed and another was wearing a bullet-resistant vest, after analyzing videos taken June 28, when the couple confronted protesters with guns. The documents obtained by 5 On Your Side include an email Gardner’s Assistant Circuit Attorney Chris Hinckley sent to the lead investigator on the case, Sgt. Curtis Burgdorf. Hinckley emailed police the day before the McCloskeys were served with a search warrant, stating it needed to happen “now.” “At this point, everything points to these weapons being real and loaded, but no one has asked or confirmed,” he wrote. “Come trial, they’ll say they were waiving around a BB gun and an air rifle.” Hinckley also wrote to Burgdorf’s commander, Maj. Angela Coonce. “Our office is receiving inquiries from the public and press about a warrant application and potential charges. We’ve thus far said the matter ‘remains under investigation.’ I’d really like to avoid pointing to a police follow-up request as the hold-up, but I won’t control the messaging if this goes on any longer. Please see what you can do to help this along. Again, I’m asking for priority on the firearms issue.” The search warrant allowed officers to seize the guns the McCloskeys used during the encounter. The rifle Mark McCloskey used was intact when it arrived at the crime lab. The pistol Patricia McCloskey used was not, according to documents obtained by 5 On Your Side. Hinckley ordered the crime lab to disassemble and reassemble Patricia McCloskey’s gun and signed a court document stating that it was “capable of lethal use” at the time she pointed it at protesters. RELATED: St. Louis prosecutor ordered crime lab to reassemble Patricia McCloskey's gun In a motion, Gardner wrote that the law allows prosecutors to say both of the McCloskeys guns were readily capable of lethal use, “even without proof that they were functional or loaded at the time of the incident.” The McCloskey’s attorney, Joel Schwartz, said Patricia McCloskey’s gun was not functional because it was once used as a prop in a trial. The McCloskeys are both attorneys. He said Gardner’s interpretation of the law is wrong. “It’s a loose interpretation of the statute and the law requires a weapon to be operable at the time of an offense,” he said. A spokeswoman for Gardner, a Democrat, said she could not comment on a pending case. Hinckley also wrote the document the lead detective did sign, known as the probable cause statement. But it went through at least two revisions after Burgdorf outlined 14 concerns he had about the document, 5 On Your Side has learned. Among those concerns: Hinckley characterized the protest as “peaceful and organized” and that it was “calling attention to racial inequities in the criminal justice system.” Burgdorf wrote that the evidence he gathered showed the protest was to call for the resignation of Mayor Lyda Krewson. The final document called it “a protest march.” Hinckley wrote that Patricia McCloskey’s was “armed with a semi-automatic handgun.” Burgdorf wrote the phrase should read, “What appears to be a semi-automatic handgun.” Hinckley responded, in part, “You cannot be serious with this one. Again, this is really problematic.” Ultimately, the document read: “What was later determined to be a semi-automatic handgun.” Hinckley called Mark McCloskey’s gun an “assault” rifle. Burgdorf called the word “assault” a propaganda term. Hinckley disagreed, but it was left out of the final document. Hinckley wrote that the protesters passed through an “open gate” onto private property. Burgdorf said he didn’t know whether the gate guarding the private street was open when protesters went through it, but that, at some point, it was damaged. Hinckley responded: “Your points here are really problematic. It seems to go beyond oversight and into purposeful ignorance. I suggest you very quickly re-assess this evidence.” Ultimately the document Burgdorf signed reads, “protesters walked through a gate.” Hinckley wrote that Mark McCloskey’s gun was “visibly loaded with an ammunition clip.” Burgdorf wrote that he would have to verify that detail because it wasn’t mentioned in his report or interviews with them. Hinckley wrote back “Seriously??!!” Ultimately, the document did not include the phrase Hinckley wrote. Hinckley wrote that both victims, identified only by their initials, “feared that the defendant might fire her weapon due to her finger being on the trigger and her highly agitated demeanor.” Burgdorf wrote that the term “angrily” was subjective and he didn’t like it. Hinckley wrote, “It’s a fact and an element of the offense.” The final document did not include the word "angrily". 5 On Your Side also obtained a voice mail Hinckley left Burgdorf after he wrote his response to Burgdorf’s objections. On it, he states: “Curtis, you need to call me back. I wrote a long email to you trying to ask a bunch of questions about whatever it is you said some was (expletive). Now we need to straighten this out because I’m about done with this crap. Call me back.” Since the couple was charged July 20, Burgdorf’s investigation has continued, according to the documents. He noted in follow up reports that at least one of the protesters was armed with a handgun, and another was wearing a bullet-resistant vest with the words, “Human Shield” on it. Some of the phrases he was able to decipher from the footage collected by prosecutors from protesters included: “You own a business. Your business is gone.” “We coming back baby.” “You ain’t the only (expletive) with a gun.” “They coming back to your house.” In another livestream video, Burgdorf wrote a man was heard saying, “I was in front so I was the one who opened the gate. The gate was broken after they pulled a gun. What law did we break? We keep guns there but not for show though. Not to look a certain way, but for use. If they would’ve shot then they would’ve been put down.” The only thing Burgdorf wrote from what he could hear from the McCloskeys included Patricia McCloskey shouting “Go,” as she pointed her gun at demonstrators.
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Jul 31 12:19:39 Be careful. Anything critical of the prosecutor will be deemed anti-semitic. http://www...6ynew5hoteoaw4abpuq-story.html ^other writers at the Tribune tried to get him fired for writing this
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 12:58:19 for anyone unaware the discussion continued in: http://www...hread=86187&time=1595834910080 rather than this thread (as the thread title more apt & clearer continuation of 1st thread) to Renzo: - there was no attempted lynching - the gate does NOT make it worse than being in someone's fenced yard as that gate doesn't belong to them - i hadn't seen campaign ad issue, however, it's responding to the Governor (& maybe Trump) attacking her about the incident (also included iin ad) so responding to it is a wash to Rugian - that is a poorly written article, & not sure what aspects you want highlighted the: "Hinckley ordered the crime lab to disassemble and reassemble Patricia McCloskey’s gun and signed a court document stating that it was “capable of lethal use” at the time she pointed it at protesters." is the same bullshit insinuation they did in the first article (same news org) that sentence fragment document is just quoting the crime statute word for word that they are charging the person with, that is not suspicious... there's no link to him sending to crime lab some of those bullet point concerns seem pretty nit-picky... -"don't call it an 'assault' rifle"... whatever, not like places advertising the weapon call it that or anything, right? (they do)... -"“angrily” is subjective"... she's 100% clearly waving her gun angrily... -& Hinckley was right about it being an open gate (& his statement says after reviewing videos, so it was not a guess) & those alleged comments by protesters at end are after the couple is aiming guns at them so not sure why they would need noted in regards to whether couple committed any crime by aiming the guns
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Jul 31 13:19:29 tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Jul 31 12:58:19 "(as the thread title more apt & clearer continuation of 1st thread)" The thread we're in was posted first as has a clearer title. "to Renzo: - there was no attempted lynching" Incorrect. The prosecutor is attempting to Lynch the McCloskeys. "- the gate does NOT make it worse than being in someone's fenced yard as that gate doesn't belong to them" The gate does make it worse because they broke it down. "- i hadn't seen campaign ad issue, however, it's responding to the Governor (& maybe Trump) attacking her about the incident (also included iin ad) so responding to it is a wash" Hack. She's fundraising off of persecuting the McCloskeys in an election year. "& those alleged comments by protesters at end are after the couple is aiming guns at them so not sure why they would need noted in regards to whether couple committed any crime by aiming the guns" Because they appear to have been armed as the McCloskeys claimed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 13:38:41 well the lynching allegation was even less clear than i thought :p --- would you rather a mob bust a public access gate down at the end of your block or be walking around in your fenced yard? --- governor attacked her first over it, so she's standing her ground / self defense :p ----- "Because they appear to have been armed" after extensive review the cop found 'at least one' person w/ a gun... meaning he found one & Ted is on porch w/ gun the moment they walk casually through the open gate, so his concern was not about armed threatening people, just people
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Jul 31 14:18:44 tw, how do those prosecutor's boots taste?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 14:49:07 your arguments are bad... but if she loses the case, she loses the case i haven't cared about the prosecutor this entire time i disapprove of suicidal/drunken White Marge's behavior & Lyin' Ted's lying, that's all
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Jul 31 15:17:35 You don't care about the prosecutor because you are a bootlicker.
Dakyron Member	Fri Jul 31 15:21:00 "& Ted is on porch w/ gun the moment they walk casually through the open gate, so his concern was not about armed threatening people, just people " Armed and rowdy mob "casually" walking through a closed gate on a private drive and then trampling through a private yard. That is more than enough to justify walking outside, armed, and asking them to leave.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 16:06:04 there's no trampling of his yard that i've seen his walking outside isn't my problem w/ him this is the White Marge behavior i object to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJebUvnSAI (not her real name :p)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 16:06:25 and good photo: http://i0....2020/07/Patricia-McCloskey.jpg
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 16:07:19 i've given my arguments in other thread (w/ very limited agreement :p) whatever happens happens
Dukhat Member	Fri Jul 31 19:47:42 Cuckservatives always believe fake news.
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 31 19:56:44 So a group of rioters break into a gated community and tw assumes they had peaceful intent. What a useful idiot.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 21:24:12 they didn't break in, they walked in what other home owners have been murdered and homes burned? (as Lyin' Ted claims he feared) and that guy Marge appears to be aiming at in photo is carrying professional-looking A/V gear... that what you'd bring to a riot?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 21:46:46 ^ for those unaware, there's video of them entering... a guy holding gate open as others stroll in chanting merrily, no destruction required plus guy is standing in front of the sign that says "Private Street : Access Limited to Residents" so likely no one saw it there also, to toss out a weak argument... it's not the most obvious sign that you're actually breaking a law by entering like those 'No Thru Traffic' neighborhood signs... is that enforceable? i have no idea, i had never thought about it... but i wouldn't feel like i was breaking a law by driving thru :p seems like a request
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 31 21:51:34 So, in your fantasy, a large group of people who enter a community, who dont know anyone there, who have no reason to be there, have peaceful intent?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 21:59:03 put down the Fox News buddy tons of people have marched tons of distance not burning anything
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 22:06:36 other than graffiti on a mayor's house, can you cite any targeting of homes anywhere, any time by any BLM protesters? (a serious question, i'm unaware of any but if it's happened i'm sure Fox covered it & i'd like to know)
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 31 22:16:40 Tw, be thankful that there are other people who can handle the situation and allow you to stay naive and innocent.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 22:20:14 here is the video of the church choir entering the neighborhood of the racist terrorists (from other thread) http://www.facebook.com/1299000055/videos/10223888744188701/ ...i will admit the guy in the suit gives off Joker vibes... unless it's a woman
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 31 22:35:28 Yes, lots of churches march into gated communities and break down gates to do so. Once again, be thankful there are people around and ready to solve the problem so you can stay naive and innocent
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 31 22:39:11 Btw, thats how little attention youll be given when shit hits the fan. You notice how people are slowly stopping to argue with you? Thats because we are adults and we realize there is nothing to gain by spending time on you. So stay how you are. Once you mature youll realize what we do for you.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 31 22:40:42 "break down gates to do so" i'm glad you're paying attention guy holds open the undamaged gate, musical troupe strolls in, w/ video proof
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 31 22:44:55 Stay innocent. The world needs people like you.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jul 31 23:12:50 Musical troupe should keep marching to the mayor's house as intended, instead of reacting like the hive mind to totally unrelated people and shouting death threats at them because their entire ideology revolves around goading people on and then crying victim
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 12:05:35 this will blow your mind: "Portland sees largely peaceful night of protests with more than 1,000 demonstrators as forces withdraw from city" Portland protests remained largely peaceful Friday night as over a thousand demonstrators gathered in front of downtown's courthouse, just days after federal officers withdrew from the city. Usually a hotspot for violent clashes with law enforcement, demonstraters instead congregated outside of Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse in Oregon, with balloons, flags, and painted signs chanting "Black Lives Matter." ... http://www...-demonstrators-forces-withdraw a Fox News article no less... but probably won't hear about it on their shows that have high ratings
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 01 12:08:04 "largely peaceful" AKA not peaceful. Media doublespeak has gotten really blatant as of late.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 12:20:08 minor incidents noted in article
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 01 12:38:17 Did they at least manage to not film in front of a burning building while using that phrase this time?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 12:39:47 there were no burning buildings so i imagine so
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 01 13:42:17 Given the amount of omission bias that the media engages in to smear Trump, we'll never know either way. Also, I didn't even see your earlier response to my first post. Firstly, I wasn't asking you to respond to any part of that article; I post things for the benefit of the board, not just you. Secondly, the back and forth proves that the DA's campaign against the McCloskeys is being driven by ideological bias. Among other things, the total mischaracterization of the nature of the protest demonstrates that the DA is working off a preconceived narrative that is detached from reality. Thirdly, if you work in any sort of prosecutorial/law enforcement capacity and don't know why the term "assault rifle" is inappropriate for this case, you deserve to be fired. Fourthly, what is your basis for affirming that the gates were open? If the lead detective can't say as much, then what's your evidence? Fifthly, given the wave of violence that we have seen across the country with these protests, combined with the fact that they were bona fide trespassing on private property, combined with their use of abusive language towards people living in the neighborhood, it's entirely reasonable for the McCloskeys to have believed that their lives and/or property is in danger. And yes, in Missouri you have a right to defend your property from those who would destroy it. I'm sorry you apparently have a massive problem with people who have the audacity to defend themselves against the mob, but the McCloskeys acted appropriately given the circumstances.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 13:55:47 i didn't notice a 'total mischaracterization' of the protesters ----- as for 'assault rifle', he changed it so who cares... maybe back n forths on agreeing on language is quite common ----- the evidence of gate being open http://www.facebook.com/1299000055/videos/10223888744188701/ (if the lead detective can't say as much he deserves to be fired) ----- "given the wave of violence..." feel free to answer my earlier question: "other than graffiti on a mayor's house, can you cite any targeting of homes anywhere, any time by any BLM protesters? (a serious question, i'm unaware of any but if it's happened i'm sure Fox covered it & i'd like to know) "
Renzo Marquez Member	Sat Aug 01 14:53:55 tumbleweed the wanderer Sat Aug 01 13:55:47 "the evidence of gate being open http://www.facebook.com/1299000055/videos/10223888744188701/ (if the lead detective can't say as much he deserves to be fired)" Your video does not show how they opened the gate.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 15:00:39 has anyone anywhere alleged lock-picking? seems like they would if suspected... especially lyin' Ted via brief search, found this from a blogger: " I’m a white St. Louisan, and I’ve personally walked down Portland Place countless times without incident. For many years, I worked at a bookstore nearby, and it was a lovely place to go for a stroll on my lunch break, because there were virtually no cars. The now-smashed gate directly adjacent to the McCloskey’s driveway was frequently left unlocked." now cite any claims or evidence of lock-picking
obaminated Member	Sat Aug 01 16:56:44 Ok was largely peaceful in his life. You are a useful idiot tw. Once again be thankful adults protect your naive innocence
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 17:14:31 would you like to describe what -you- think they planned to do?
Renzo Marquez Member	Sat Aug 01 17:18:45 Derek Chauvin was mostly peaceful on May 25, 2020. 86,400 seconds in a day and he only kneeled on George Floyd's neck for 526 of them. So he was peaceful well over 99% of the day.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 17:40:11 so every passenger on a 9/11 plane should be condemned for their terrorism
Pillz Member	Sat Aug 01 20:42:36 Yes. They surrendered to box cutters.
Dakyron Member	Sat Aug 01 21:09:30 'other than graffiti on a mayor's house, can you cite any targeting of homes anywhere, any time by any BLM protesters? (a serious question, i'm unaware of any but if it's happened i'm sure Fox covered it & i'd like to know)' They blockaded a gated community in Phoenix and harassed cars going into and out of the community, then claimed they were assaulted as the driver drove through the crowd.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 21:56:18 is that this? http://twitter.com/BiancaBuono/status/1280711630892883968 i have no idea the legal rights there... obviously you can't plow through at any speed, so what speed is considered legal? i have no idea not super close to attacking homes/home-owners (as they aren't attacking cars not pushing their way through) but i appreciate the example
obaminated Member	Sat Aug 01 23:38:09 Tw still unaware of the protection he gets from adults.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 01 23:54:33 you're right, thanks Ted and Marge for keeping the mobs from burning down a single home anywhere... I'm sure it has nothing to do with that never being a goal ever although, you have provided a good defense... they just have to claim to believe Trump & Fox News like yourself, and then can claim having any fear they want (or maybe they are in the clear just over trespassing)
obaminated Member	Sun Aug 02 01:00:41 You are weak. If the world relied on you it would fail. Simple as that.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 02 01:50:36 i wouldn't recommend relying on me either as i'd like to see an over 70% drop in human population 1927 - 2.0 billion humans 2020 - 7.8 billion... less than 100 years... whereas: "According to a WWF [not wrestling] report, populations of marine vertebrates have declined by 49% between 1970 and 2012, with some fish species declining by almost 75%" ...may be a bit off-topic
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Aug 02 07:11:37 tumbleweed the wanderer Sat Aug 01 15:00:39 "now cite any claims or evidence of lock-picking" It doesn't have to have been picked. They could have broken it down (and the way the guy is holding it open suggests this possibility). Also, it was clearly marked as a private entrance and with no trespassing. You can't legally enter someone's car/home just because the door is unlocked either.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 02 12:07:28 how does it suggest that possibility? the way he's holding is exactly how a person might hold a door open (also... how polite that rioter is) no sign it's broken in half as it's seen in lyin' Ted's photo... and just looked... it's the -other- half that gets broken (so that's why sign not visible there that i mentioned before :p, it shouldn't be, he's shooting the photo out toward public street... my mistake) what is hard to believe about it not being locked? maybe residents find it annoying to lock/unlock every time they walk through it, wouldn't you? (plus no reason to believe the blogger is lying) doubtful it's a high-crime area, the giant houses on opposite side of road have no sidewalk gate at all (or even fencing guarding the fronts of the houses) --- "Also, it was clearly marked as a private entrance and with no trespassing" not super clearly... & there will be no feel of trespassing as you would have if entering someone's home or car (or fenced yard)... you even hear someone yell back "sidewalk" to Ted (not clear the words surrounding it, but i see only one context to counter Ted w/ the word "sidewalk"... you are arguing you -aren't- trespassing - even if wrong)
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Aug 02 12:44:57 tw continues to defend trespassers and corrupt prosecutors. Sad!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 02 12:51:08 you keep having bad arguments if trespassing (in a private neighborhood) is sufficient it will be a short trial (or charges will be dropped)... i don't see how to apply trespassing to the laws & exceptions i read but maybe there are other laws... also lyin' Ted's lies suggest they know they need more than just the trespassing in a private neighborhood
obaminated Member	Sun Aug 02 16:52:24 The reality, tw. Is that you are a weak man. Be thankful stronger men exist
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Aug 02 18:21:59 tumbleweed the wanderer Sun Aug 02 12:51:08 "also lyin' Ted's lies suggest they know they need more than just the trespassing in a private neighborhood" There's no evidence of lies from McCloskey and plenty of evidence of lies from the prosecutor. Also, they may not need to rely on self-defense. She will argue that her weapon was not "readily capable of lethal use." The burden is on the prosecutor to prove this element of the offense. The prosecutor will probably not be able to do so. He will argue that he did not exhibit his weapon in "an angry or threatening manner." He's got a good chance of prevailing on this point. Here again, the burden is on the prosecutor to prove this element of the offense. Assuming the prosecutor can prove both of these elements, they are still unlikely to be found guilty because they can assert the affirmative defense of self-defense. But keep licking the boots of the prosecutor we know has lied and engaged in unethical behavior by attempting to raise funds in an election year off the case.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 02 19:00:23 "no evidence of lies from McCloskey": "A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear for our lives." ~ lyin' Ted (aka McCloskey) the video proves otherwise on most of that... and i stand by my analysis of White Marge's behavior showing she is not fearing for her life... even though some dispute :p (plus there's no indication of the protesters having violent or threatening intentions when Ted first engages them) he's made up the story after the fact
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Aug 02 19:15:22 McCloskey most likely believed the gate had been broken when they started trespassing. He probably saw it in a broken state after the incident and assumed they broke it when entering. That's would be a reasonable assumption for him. The prosecutor has told outright lies repeatedly.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 02 22:02:47 he's a lawyer... lying, embellishing & spinning is his whole life... obviously the scene he describes doesn't match the video at all another bit from one of his multiple Tucker interviews: " What various commentators have suggested is we should have gone inside and film them with our cell phones. Well, do you want to have 300 people inside your house breaking stuff, setting fires and killing you or would you rather stop them when they are outside. We chose to stop them from coming in. " there is no chance in hell they were headed into his house... why would they be? this couple has no significance & no group anywhere has done that he's a personal-injury lawyer, he's a money-grubbing garbage liar almost by definition... his ridiculous-sized house as evidence :p ================ found this just now... " The McCloskeys have filed at least two “quiet title” suits asserting squatter’s rights on land they’ve occupied openly and hostilely — their terms — and claimed as their own. In an ongoing suit against Portland Place trustees in 2017, the McCloskeys say they are entitled to a 1,143-square-foot triangle of lawn in front of property that is set aside as common ground in the neighborhood’s indenture. It was that patch of green protesters saw when they filed through the gate. Mark McCloskey said in an affidavit that he has defended the patch before by pointing a gun at a neighbor who had tried to cut through it. " [with the court document evidence in the article] http://www...3e-53c3-abcb-ecd0225dd287.html ^ super long article, i didn't read much let that sink in... he pointed a gun at a neighbor walking on neighborhood grass that didn't even belong to him... he's a menace
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