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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 31 14:36:53
"We just got 50% in Rasmussen, and much higher in our internal polls."
~ guy who checks polls hourly

i guess he's hoping his cultists just know he's talking about an approval rating poll... & that they think 50% is a good number

also, why do internal polls have to remain hidden? he claims he's winning in every swing state & that every public poll is fake... why can't he ever show any of these internal polls?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 31 14:42:32
for the record, Trump approval rating based on many polls:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

safe to say that one lonely green dot at 50 is Rasmussen... (plus it says it is below :p)

Rasmussen w/ the highest dot... as always... & coincidentally the poll Trump always cites*

(*not counting his alleged 96% Republican party approval rating poll that has never been cited once, despite him mentioning it dozens of times over years)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 31 14:50:27
40% approving of him is still so disturbing...
Dakyron
Member
Fri Jul 31 14:53:09
The approval rating of other presidents is interesting to look at. Especially GHW Bush, who was incredibly popular until like a year before the election and then fell off a cliff, when he sided with Democrats and raised taxes, pissing off everyone, who then voted democratic in the next election.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 31 15:03:29
Trump has the most steady graph... a steady graph of misinformed entrenched cultist minority support
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 31 16:02:53
the crowd at Trump's Florida event is mostly maskless... just like every single event he holds... he must be furious given how strongly he encourages masks
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 31 22:14:50
"We have more Cases because we do more Testing. It’s Lamestream Media Gold!"
~ unfit fucking moron

no one but sycophants repeats this

i haven't even heard the sycophants complain that testing makes us look bad (but maybe they do... they are such garbage...)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 31 22:37:21
Trump says he will ban TikTok [w/ 0% chance he can explain what TikTok is]

============

"
President Trump announces to reporters on Air Force One that he’s banning TikTok.

The pool says Trump made clear he was not in favor of a deal to let a U.S. company buy TikTok’s American operations.
"
http://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1289385727180935168

============

a response from a tech guru:
"This is deep in my long thread, but let me make this dead clear: Banning TikTok and then oddly enough not allowing a decent solution like an IPO here in the US or being bought by a US company is a THANK YOU gift to Mark Zuckerberg from Donald Trump. Or should I say Spasibo?"
~ Kara Swisher

(Facebook is very Trump-friendly)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 01:41:18
so here's the audio of fucking moron Trump's phone call where he cites twitter retweets as having meaning...
(at ~30 sec mark)
http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1288997831383146497

i'm sure Inhofe gives a shit...

also, remember when there was a public phone call overheard in the impeachment & people were skeptical?

anyway, there were reports of him citing tweet performance before to congress people to push an agenda & of him keeping track of how many likes he gets each tweet... seems pretty well confirmed now

we have a President governing by the equivalent of internet polls... only worse as there's a guarantee of swarms of bots around his account (not just a possibility of interference, it's definite)... & probably largely foreign
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 12:17:42
"
I am taking #Hydroxychloroquine to treat my coronavirus diagnosis. It is what was decided as the best course of action between my doctor and me--not by government bureaucrats. How long until the tech tyrants censor this tweet?
"
~Rep Louie Gohmert

please let him die from the hydroxy (if he's even taking it)... that would be helpful for multiple reasons
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 14:49:36
CBS News:
"
Dr. Fauci explains why the U.S. has continued to see a surge in cases while European countries have seen a sharp decrease.

He says most European countries shut their economy by 95%, while functionally the U.S. only shut its economy down by 50%.
[w/ video of Fauci]
"

Trump's response:
"
Wrong! We have more cases because we have tested far more than any other country, 60,000,000. If we tested less, there would be less cases. How did Italy, France & Spain do? Now Europe sadly has flare ups. Most of our governors worked hard & smart. We will come back STRONG!
"


i think he's said that made-up lie so many times now that he actually believes it... just what you want in a President...

also, is it mandatory for him to say things as stupidly as possible? "testing 'creates' cases", "there would be 'less cases'"

no, no there wouldn't be...

why does anyone support this moron?? NO intelligent person is saying the reason we have so many cases is the testing... it's because it's spreading because our fucking moron has ignored the problem & led people to believe there is no issue & that's why they always attend his events mask-free when not freaking out at stores requiring masks

i bet we have the worst mask coverage of any 1st world nation... a simple thing all could be doing to help... but, nope... just buy more hydroxychloroquine...

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 20:34:08
The vote to renominate President Donald Trump is set to be conducted in private later this month, without members of the press present, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Convention, citing the coronavirus.


I wonder if they want to discuss nominating someone else *fingers crossed*
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 02 12:18:12
"
Big China Virus breakouts all over the World, including nations which were thought to have done a great job. The Fake News doesn’t report this. USA will be stronger than ever before, and soon!
"
~ fraud child

more celebrating by Trump (plus he had a couple other tweets like that yesterday)... of course kargen won't see it... even though no other way to read it

if he meant it as being concerning he would express some concern... maybe a "so we should be extra cautious..." message, but he's the opposite... he expresses NO concern ever, always giving rosy assessments if he's talking about it at all (w/ only exception being when reading text prepared for him sometimes)

plus he openly opposed Fauci (& all medical experts) yesterday in favor of his made-up theory that no expert supports... thus -proving- beyond doubt he is unfit for office & pure insanity for him to ever hold a briefing again
(the 'Wrong!' tweet 2 posts ^up)

that should've been top story all day yesterday & continuing...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 02 15:20:50
"We're signing a health care plan within two weeks. A full and complete health care plan, that the Supreme Court decision on DACA gave me the right to do"
~ Trump... two weeks ago

(he has used that 'two weeks' thing a lot)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 12:14:58
"
In an illegal late night coup, Nevada’s clubhouse Governor made it impossible for Republicans to win the state. Post Office could never handle the Traffic of Mail-In Votes without preparation. Using Covid to steal the state. See you in Court!
"
~ ender of america


(& how does Trump's slowing of the post office help D's more than R's... & maybe then just stop slowing the post office?)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 13:03:18
"
Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance Jr. could be investigating President Trump and his company for possible insurance and bank fraud, the prosecutor’s office revealed in a new court filing.
"
http://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1290340493788942338

\o/

they sure as fuck should be... Cohen laid it out & w/ documents
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 13:04:55
Trump's still touting hydroxychloroquine today (& still not touting masks)

i guess the witch doctor gave him a boost of confidence in it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 14:24:17
mobster shakedown
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1290341695939379203

is this normal? Trump says if someone wants to buy TikTok they need to pay a lot to the US gov't
kargen
Member
Mon Aug 03 18:25:54
"also, is it mandatory for him to say things as stupidly as possible? "testing 'creates' cases", "there would be 'less cases'""

Actually on this one he is correct. A case for medical purposes would need to be diagnosed. Less tests means less diagnoses so technically he is correct.
Not that I think that is what he means. But if you are going to do forty threads on what you think he gets wrong you should get shit right.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 19:00:59
great argument

so do you think he is helping the country or hurting it or being neutral? as president should he be helpful, harmful, or neutral?

every Republican & every member of his administration should come out and say "please, do not listen to our 'President'"
(if they actually cared about the country)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 20:23:57
Trump campaign is sending this email out:
http://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1290450482784329729?s=21

A message written in 1st person, as Trump, asking people to wear masks... sounds -nothing- like how he writes.

The adults have to impersonate him and do what he should be (easily) doing.

p.a.t.h.e.t.i.c.

(And if Trump even aware it was written, what's the point of making it a campaign email to just supporters rather than a global message on Twitter)
kargen
Member
Mon Aug 03 22:45:41
"great argument"

thanks.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 23:23:34
Q: how do you think history will remember John Lewis?
Trump: he didn't come to my inauguration or my SOTUs... & i guess he did some non-special civil rights stuff
(^paraphrased)

actual transcript:
http://pbs...AEScLC?format=png&name=900x900
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 03 23:29:19
oh god... it gets so much worse...

Trump on coronavirus deaths relative to other countries:
http://twitter.com/axios/status/1290497186489348096

Trump has been going by deaths per cases (which i suspected)... reporter wants to talk about death per capita (a MUCH better idea when comparing to other countries)... Trump: 'you can't do that'... & clearly has no idea what's even being talked about

using only death by cases let's you completely excuse massive spread vs minor spread, so it's obvious why that appeals to Trump (even though he couldn't explain it)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 04 12:02:51
"yo Semites!"
http://twitter.com/alexnazaryan/status/1290664907772506112

i'll mind-read and assume that was meant to be 'Yosemite's towering sequoias'
(famous national park... & its trees)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 04 12:08:30
"
Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True. Florida’s Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail! #MAGA
"
~ someone learned his voters like to vote by mail... (or an adult impersonating him again)

nothing wrong with rapid 180 swings in positions, right?

go ask FL Trump supporters if they think Trump supports masks & if they think he supports mail-in voting
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 04 17:33:35
"it's an amazing thing, whatever it may be"
~ Trump describing TikTok
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 04 17:48:14
Trump continuing to deny reality about the virus (at the virus briefing)

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1290777943678099456
kargen
Member
Tue Aug 04 18:00:17
The difference is Florida has had mail in voting for about twenty years so they have a system in place. Most states have no such system so while it might work in states like Colorado and Florida who have had a system in place for a while now states with no system in place are going to have problems. We know this by looking at primaries in states with no system for mail in ballots that rushed it.
So again President Trump is mostly correct in Florida is better off than most states.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 04 18:58:22
i'm shocked that you support his comment

are you ok with him suggesting ballots are being mailed out randomly & recklessly... that no checking will go on... that anyone can print & send in whatever ballots they want... that it will be full of massive fraud?

how about helping & encouraging states to shore up & test their systems instead? (& not actively attempt to destroy all faith in the results) is that a crazy idea or what
kargen
Member
Tue Aug 04 19:36:20
Didn't say I supported it. I said compared to other states Florida is more prepared.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 04 21:37:43
600,000 more Dems than Reps have requested mail ballots in Florida... I bet that was what caused the sudden reversal and urging his cultists to request ballots
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 04 22:52:09
A Well-Connected GOP Strategist Is Helping Kanye West Get on the Ballot in Wisconsin

http://www...get-on-the-ballot-in-wisconsin

the party of pure garbage...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 12:24:03
"
A source familiar with Trump’s Tuesday Oval Office meeting with his coronavirus task force said the president is still not demonstrating that he has a firm grasp of the severity of the pandemic in the US.

“He still doesn’t get it,” the source said. “He does not get it.”

As some members of the task force tried to stress the dire nature of the situation to the president during the meeting, the source said Trump repeatedly attempted to change the subject.

“He starts talking about something else,” the source said.
"
~ Jim Acosta (CNN)

---------

Trump's response to that:

"@CNN has no sources on the Task Force. Their “sources” are made up, pure fiction! Jim Acosta is a Fake reporter!"

==============

so the Trumpers will say 'Jim Acosta? Fake News!'

the problem being we've seen Trump in his interviews & briefings... he CLEARLY has no grasp of the severity of the pandemic... w/ his map he misunderstands, & his simple bar/line graphs he misunderstands, & the testing info misunderstands (even Mulvaney said it wasn't good enough)... yet nothing but rosy assessments from Trump on everything

(also that was the first task force meeting Trump attended since APRIL)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 12:39:41
Trump found this video clip of himself tweet-worthy
http://twi...ump/status/1291061635348680704

the Fox & Friends even look disappointed he's on... & Kilmeade appears concerned when Trump gets close to claiming children immune

anyway: "This thing's going away like things go away"... didn't he say that in ~March?

"i've watched some doctors say [children] are totally immune"... no you haven't

plus no recognition children could spread it to teachers/staff & parents & whomever else

a moron fraud leading the nation w/ made-up bullshit...
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 05 13:04:07
I feel like you could have said that against GWB.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 13:09:34
no no no... GWB was of sub-optimal intelligence for a president

but he didn't just invent shit in his head & blast it out to the public over & over & over again
(w/ Trump never any attempt to learn factual info, & just no concern for the truth at all)

even if Bush struggled to understand things, i don't doubt he at least tried to listen & understand

Trump is uniquely awful to an extreme degree
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 05 13:41:49
WMD
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 14:24:56
Bush didn't just make that up... he/(his people) cherry-picked intel to make the case

Trump just decides things in his mind... frequently claiming others have said it... it's totally fucked up (& it's on EVERY issue across the board)

there's no comparison, Trump is like a 6-year-old running things (in disturbingly exact ways)
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 05 14:38:46
My point was that during his term in office similar complaints were made.

Not the randomness that is Trump though.

Tbh im ok with either Trump or Biden. I can see benefits of either. If Biden would focus more against China as Trump has Id feel more comfortable with him though.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 15:25:09
i am incapable of understanding how anyone can be ok w/ Trump

do you believe he actually learns any info on any issue? what is the evidence?

if a whackjob says something that is favorable to his views, he believes it... if an expert says something that is not favorable, he disbelieves it (w/ no counter-evidence required)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 15:35:21
Mercedes Schlapp (human garbage, aka Trump propper-upper, part of a husband/wife duo of shit) was on TV claiming Nevada's mail-in balloting law allows people to vote after the election
(part of her arguments joining Trump's massive voter fraud bullshit)


well, upon investigation she's referring to the law saying if a postmark is illegible, you give the benefit of the doubt... (normally has to be postmarked by election day)

seems a perfectly valid thing to add to the law to deal w/ that unlikely scenario

it's not like voters postmark their own letters

but Schlapp decided to claim people can see Trump won, then get more votes sent in to change it...

so Schlapp proven to be a deliberately misleading piece of shit (again), just like every pro-Trump commentator... seriously, name one pro-Trumper on TV who isn't a disgusting dishonest shitbag... try
Rugian
Member
Wed Aug 05 15:42:59
Tucker Carlson?
kargen
Member
Wed Aug 05 15:43:00
"i am incapable of understanding how anyone can be ok w/ Trump"

For many it isn't so much okay with the president but not okay with what the Democrats are offering.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 15:44:27
"
BIG NEWS! The Political Crime of the Century is unfolding. ObamaBiden illegally spied on the Trump Campaign, both before and after the election. Treason!
"
~ a President of the USA accusing the past president of crimes (including treason) & it will be barely noticed
Rugian
Member
Wed Aug 05 15:44:29
"For many it isn't so much okay with the president but not okay with what the Democrats are offering."

This. Trump does have his faults, but I'd rather have an incoherent president over a competent Stalinist regime.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 15:47:28
Tucker Carlson isn't pro-Trump... he is resigned to deal w/ having Trump... (plus i'm sure i could make arguments he's a disgusting dishonest shitbag if i had to)

he's one of the people credited w/ getting Trump to finally take the coronavirus seriously back in March
Dakyron
Member
Wed Aug 05 16:06:51
Vote Biden and then vote republican for the house and senate. That is America's best hope.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 16:48:30
Facebook has removed a Trump video...

"This video includes false claims that a group of people is immune from COVID-19 which is a violation of our policies around harmful COVID misinformation” Facebook spokesperson says.

i'll assume it was that one above where Trump was strongly suggesting children immune (which is false... just false, no disagreements)... & claiming he heard doctors say they are immune


being unfit for office beats any argument against Biden or anyone else
kargen
Member
Wed Aug 05 16:55:26
Again just being coarse and crude doesn't make a person unfit for president.

If you are claiming mental incompetence there is no honest way your answer can be to elect Biden.

If you are claiming President Trump is unfit because he insults or ignores those that disagree with him you gotta be a fucking idiot if you think Biden is the answer. Biden lashes out in an incoherent rant because he is asked an unscripted question. He called a girl a dog-faced liar because she raised her hand. Asked about his health he challenged people to a push-up contest.

If you are honest about why you think President Trump isn't fit to be president there is no way you would ever consider Biden.
Rugian
Member
Wed Aug 05 16:56:16
Imagine being so triggered by Trump that you end up cheering a handful of social media executives who declare that they're the final say on what constitutes the "truth" and delete any speech they disagree with.

You've become a full advocate for mass censorship dude. Marginal opinions still need to be allowed in an open society even if the general consensus disagrees with them.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 17:32:12
"Again just being coarse and crude doesn't make a person unfit for president. "

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT... PLEASE CITE HOW MY COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT HIM BEING COARSE AND CRUDE OR NEVER SAY THIS IDIOCY AGAIN

thank you.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 17:40:57
imagine having a President who just lies to the public about everything... frequently just making shit up...

yes, i'm fine w/ social media execs taking down dangerous lies that his idiot cultists believe

(are children immune? is hydroxy a cure? why is it still NOT recommended by NIH? is the President posting a video of a 'doctor' saying it's a cure [when her only evidence is that at her work as a pediatrician at a strip mall clinic next to her anti-demon ministry she has had no one die] appropriate to do?)


if an adult wanted to advocate schools opening (which is a reasonable position) would they say 'the virus is going away & children are immune'? (NO, THEY WOULDN'T, FIND ANY OTHER THAT IS)... or might they say the interruption is harmful to their education & development & argue the benefits outweigh the risks (actually acknowledge risks) & that working parents need the place to stick their kids, etc.


Trump is totally unfit for office... & not for being coarse or crude...
kargen
Member
Wed Aug 05 18:20:23
"WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT... PLEASE CITE HOW MY COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT HIM BEING COARSE AND CRUDE OR NEVER SAY THIS IDIOCY AGAIN"

That was more towards what seems to be a general consensus and not directed towards you in particular. You are delusional.

The rest of the message was for you.
kargen
Member
Wed Aug 05 18:21:33
I will give you that Biden doesn't just invent lies.

He plagiarizes them.
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 05 18:41:44
TW, "
i am incapable of understanding how anyone can be ok w/ Trump"

Make no bones about it, I like Trump. I also fully understand that he makes shit up on the spot a lot. Some seem to take this as he is intentionally telling lies. I put most of what he says through a filter.

1. Was he just bragging/exaggerating? Thats his style, many politicians use similar* speech just not tonhis amount and no one bats an eye " we're going to win" " blank is the best sports team ever"

2. Was he spit balling? An example of this is when he was talking asking about UV lights. Anyone who gives this convo a fair breakdown can see he is brainstorming /spit balling like you would in a board room at a company. Some willnsay " can you beleive he actually asked that, how retarded" it isn't, its brainstorming and actually they have found certain spectrums of in light that can be used on humams that they believe is safe.

3. How about when he said the wheel was older than the wall. Again people count this as a lie and retarded. While it is not factual, ill give you that. Its not an unreasonable guess off the top of ones head and IMO is an integral statement that is not harmful.

It has become sport for never Trumpers to pick out each and every thing he says and woke it to an absurd to degree to " get him"

Foriegn policy for me is China. China is our biggest threat to our way of life. He is by far the toughest China potus ever. Everything from Banning Huawei, getting them out of the UK. To an unprecedented amount ofntarrifs and sanctions to building a growing coalition to stand up to China enlisting Japan, ROC, Australia, New Zealand, SK, India and a few more.

His China policy alone for me is a game changer.

I also like his anti PC attitude. Don't tell me we have an overseas contingency. Operation, tell me we are at war.

I consider myself these days a moderate conservative with liberal social tendencies.

Trump has been moderate on all but immigration.I actually disagree on his immigration stances. I think we should focus on the brain drain and try to bring in the best and brightest from all over the world.

That's some of why I like Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 19:02:59
what's your excuse for urging people to use hydroxy+? claiming it can't harm you? deciding it worked prophylactically? endorsing it as a cure?

what's your excuse for him siding w/ Putin over unanimous intel agencies? then clearly lying to the public about it? (or him always defending Russia on every single issue in general)

what's your excuse for him asking Ukraine to find the DNC server (total idiocy)... & all the other shit on that call & calls to any leaders in general... no preparation ever

what's your excuse for his handling of the pandemic? what has he done to help slow it (other than banning some China travel which he mentions ad nauseum)? who else is saying we are doing too much testing? why isn't he encouraging masks? why does he give nothing but false rosy assessments? why can't he grasp the significance of death per capita? why does he keep misrepresenting that map he likes that has a lot of white, or his baby's-first-graphs?

what's your excuse for him undermining faith in news, elections, courts, intel agencies, etc? (what is the unifying feature to all of it... personal benefit) how much of it based on factual info? (& if you agree w/ him smearing news, is he promoting good news alternatives? OANN because Fox News isn't 'fair' enough... is that a positive move?)

(just scratching the surface here... review the other 40 threads :p)


...& if he wants to "brainstorm" virus treatments w/ his tiny brain & no knowledge, do it in private not -during- a virus briefing on the virus


he is always misinformed, he never prepares, constant reports from news & former coworkers saying the same thing

and the made-up bullshit is not just on things that don't matter, he does it on anything

he is a clear & present danger to the nation
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 20:08:16
or forget the multitude of specific incidents

does he get his info from trustworthy sources?
does he have good reasons when disbelieving experts?
does he exercise sound judgment in his decision-making?
does he act in the best interest of our country?

he clearly fails at all of that
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 05 20:34:44
"what's your excuse for urging people to use hydroxy+? claiming it can't harm you? deciding it worked prophylactically? endorsing it as a cure?"

Your putting that all through an " I hate Trump" lens.

All he said was, its been around for a long time.

And it could be a game changer.

Those are actually factual statements. He did all.but recomend it, the prescription is relatively safe.

The people who ate fish cleaner deserve to die as much as someone who ate batteries believing it was Lithium.

"What's your excuse for him siding w/ Putin over unanimous intel agencies? then clearly lying to the public about it? (or him always defending Russia on every single issue in general)
"

In all fairness US Intel agencies get little respect in recent years because they have earned little lately. Remember those WMD?

"What's your excuse for him asking Ukraine to find the DNC server (total idiocy)... & all the other shit on that call & calls to any leaders in general... no preparation ever"

Didn't wr habe an entire failed Putsch over this?
"

As for the pandemic, I honestly dont think he did that bad. As the potus there is only so much he can actually do, and lets face it no matter what he does the left will swear he is the devil.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 21:36:04
"Your putting that all through an " I hate Trump" lens.
All he said was, its been around for a long time.
And it could be a game changer. "

no... he did everything i said... he said specifically "take it" & "what the hell do you have to lose"... & gave that "take it" message multiple times, and did specifically say it can't harm you & did specifically urge people to take it prophylactically (-based on nothing-... he claimed he got phone calls when pressed on it)
(and -all- of that during coronavirus briefings meant to inform public)

& he did post that 'doctor' claiming it was a cure & saying other nonsense (which was properly yanked down by Twitter)

he posts -none- of the studies indicating hydroxy+ is not helpful... most studies say it is not... that's why the NIH specifically does NOT recommend it as it -can- be harmful & no indication helpful

& that can't be excused as a political issue, he should -want- the public to have all the info on a medicine

nothing in the hydroxy+ saga is defensible or sane

-------

saying intel agencies messed up on WMD so it's ok for Trump to selectively distrust them is CRAZY

it just so happens he disbelieves them when it suits him... Russia is doing nothing ever... Saudis didn't know about Khashoggi

he's the President, if he's going to disbelieve his intel people he should have some kind of legitimate reason... he takes Putin's word, he took MBS's word... that's it, those were his sole reasons to disbelieve everything

---------

the impeachment was successful, & an R presidential candidate found him guilty, & several other R senators agreed case was proven & Trump was wrong (just decided it wasn't impeachable)

and that didn't even cover him having batshit crazy notions about Ukraine having the DNC server... he believes crackpot theories regularly... that's concerning, no?

--------

his pandemic response is pure shit... polls show ~30% trust him on it... that's bad & earned, should be 0% but his crazed cultists believe him on everything... he has countered experts continually, been completely wrong often, & makes shit up like 'it will disappear'... which he still claims was right as eventually it will (maybe)... well, when he said it he obviously meant -soon-, pretty sure he even said 'soon' some of the times... just like when he says schools should reopen as it will go away... obviously he is suggesting that would happen soon or how is it relevant & its based on nothing

'please wear masks when around other people' <- if he had tweeted just that every day instead of his constant BS we'd be in a much better place... he barely mentioned the pandemic from April til a few weeks ago when he noticed he was getting hammered in the polls over his non-response

& still is making no effort to get people to wear masks
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 22:10:46
♫ and another one gone, and another one gone, another IG bites the dust ♫

"
WASHINGTON — The State Department’s acting watchdog has resigned from his post less than three months after replacing the previous inspector general, whom President Trump fired in May, the department said on Wednesday.

The departure of Stephen J. Akard came as Congress continued to investigate the firing of his predecessor, Steve A. Linick, who was pursuing inquiries into Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Three congressional committees issued subpoenas this week to top aides of Mr. Pompeo.

Mr. Linick had opened investigations into Mr. Pompeo’s potential misuse of department resources and his effort to push arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The department gave no explanation for the departure of Mr. Akard, an ally of Vice President Mike Pence. A department spokeswoman said Mr. Akard, who is from Indiana, would be “returning to the private sector,” and the deputy inspector general, Diana R. Shaw, would take over as acting inspector general.

Mr. Akard “left to go back home,” Mr. Pompeo said at a news conference on Wednesday. “This happens. I don’t have anything more to add to that.”
...
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http://www...ctor-general-pompeo-state.html

probably should confirm he made it back home
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 05 22:15:45
A top Colorado GOP strategist is helping Kanye West to get on the ballot in her state, the latest in a series of Republicans who have stepped up to help the hip-hop star in his odd presidential bid.

http://www...-get-on-the-ballot-in-colorado

Kanye was recently claiming his wife was trying to have him committed... i'm sure these GOPers legitimately support his candidacy...
kargen
Member
Wed Aug 05 23:25:58
Well when you have the kind of money West does you can afford the best so you might as well get it.

"Remember those WMD?"
I don't want to detract much form this thread but this is the 2nd time I've seen WMD's mentioned. I think a reminder is needed that the US intelligence agencies told President Bush their intel was outdated and suggested he use intel gathered by the British. The report President Bush referred to was not generated by US intelligence agencies.

Back to how horrible a candidate Biden really is...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 01:09:59
it'll be weird being candidate when he's being held on treason charges... has he been taken into custody yet?
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 06 01:35:40
Didn't know Biden had been charged with treason.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 02:38:39
weird... the President proclaimed "BIG NEWS!" and said that Biden and Obama illegally spied on his campaign & called it treason

...& i see no correction

i'm sure it will be the headline in all the papers tomorrow
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 06 03:20:42
So in your world the president has the power to charge people with crimes. Does he also get a free scoop of ice cream at the mall?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 12:06:18
"the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress"
~whitehouse.gov

it would really fucked up if the President went around falsely accusing people of crimes...
Dakyron
Member
Thu Aug 06 12:50:20
"So in your world the president has the power to charge people with crimes. Does he also get a free scoop of ice cream at the mall? "

In everybody's world. That is actually one of the expressed powers of the president, to execute the law, including hiring and directing an attorney to charge people violating federal law.

Now go tell folksy stories about your racist family.

Thanks.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 14:12:38
Trump on a Biden administration:

"Take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything. Hurt the Bible. Hurt God. He’s against God. He’s against guns. He’s against energy."

http://twitter.com/thehill/status/1291435264531890176

luckily god's agent Trump is here to tell us Biden's secret plans
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 14:57:33
Trump's official event at a Whirlpool factory in Ohio is basically indistinguishable from his campaign rallies

as is his consistent behavior... he has 1 gear

enjoy your tax dollars being spent for his glory
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 15:06:45
"Live & Let Die" playing before the President (theoretically) talks about economy to appliance manufacturers... makes sense...

http://twitter.com/RobertMackey/status/1291453071428472832

...it's his campaign rally play list... why disguise anything
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 15:20:54
Trump says he believes there will be a vaccine by election day, but "certainly" by the end of the year

another word defenders will have to change to other words... like w/ "immune" & "harmless" & "illegal" & "treason" & "soon" & "recently" & "smart"...
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 06 15:49:09
"That is actually one of the expressed powers of the president, to execute the law, including hiring and directing an attorney to charge people violating federal law."

Nothing in that statement says the president can charge a person with a crime. He can ask others to charge but they can say no and have said no.

Backing tumbleweed's delusions isn't a smart play.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 15:56:16
are you saying you're fine w/ the behavior?

or just your typical constant defense while maintaining you are neutral

Trump appoints US attorneys & the AG... & we know loyalty is the only qualification in his picks... experience & expertise is frowned upon
(& he frequently is bypassing Senate approval for those requiring it)
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 06 18:19:40
"Trump appoints US attorneys & the AG... & we know loyalty is the only qualification in his picks... experience & expertise is frowned upon
(& he frequently is bypassing Senate approval for those requiring it)"

Irreverent because the president still cannot charge another person with a crime.

He can accuse all he wants just like any other citizen.

And it depends on what behavior you are talking about. I have said even before he was elected I think his behavior on many things is a hindrance but it seems to work for him.

I don't treat his tweets as gospel as you do.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 18:45:05
just say it's wrong
as it's wrong
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 06 19:42:39
Depends on the definition of it I suppose and just exactly what it is.
We also need to know what you mean by wrong. Legally wrong? Morally wrong? Ethically wrong? Aesthetically wrong? Factually wrong?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 06 21:42:27
'it' refers to the nugget of Unfitness Mountain you've been most recently addressing

if Merkel/Macron/Trudeau made criminal allegations, do you think nothing would be expected to happen & it would barely get noticed?

or perhaps you prefer the leaders Trump prefers...
if Putin/Xi/Kim made criminal allegations, do you think nothing would be expected to happen & it would barely get noticed?

we are uniquely blessed w/ a 'leader' so well known for spouting baseless irresponsible nonsense that barely anyone pays attention
Habebe
Member
Fri Aug 07 13:32:57
"saying intel agencies messed up on WMD so it's ok for Trump to selectively distrust them is CRAZY"

The thing is that is not the only major fuck up. Not to say they are not credible, however questioning there accuracy can be warranted.

Admittedly Trump on occasion will use this as an excuse for whatever.

An example is
Qashoggi. We all know what happened. They definitley murdered him, I personally think it was not initially meant to kill.him and just went too far but regardless.

But I Also understand that SA is a vital ally at the moment in a region where many more lives are at risk than one, so I get it that Trump likley didn't want start a fued with SA ATM kver one life weighing it against many more.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 07 13:46:30
has he ever once provided valid reason to distrust them on the issues he decided they were wrong on?

Russia didn't interfere in election, didn't poison that journalist, didn't shoot down that plane, didn't help Taliban kill our troops, & i don't think he even commented on the hacking of virus info... (find any anti-Russia incident he accepted from the start)

plus Khashoggi as you mentioned

plus he does it on North Korea & Iran

there's no instance of him ever accepting their info when it's counter to something he wants to be true (& he's never provided a reason beyond trusting the word of Putin or MBS)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 07 13:53:34
on a 'spygate' update (that didn't say much):


"This is the biggest political crime and scandal in American history. Hopefully, for the good of our Country, it is coming soon!"
~ unfit dumb guy


no investigation so far has found much of a scandal... just some criticisms... (& 'spying' on Carter Page was obviously not some sinister plot as there is no way spying on Carter Page can yield anything for that plot)

although Barr has disagreed w/ every investigation & keeps claiming wrong-doing, so obviously he is got some spin in the works w/ the Durham report... i suspect no treason charges, probably will be people we never heard of doing minor shit
Habebe
Member
Fri Aug 07 13:55:04
Well, there is reason to question them a bit. However I will concede Trumps choosing generally based on what furthers his current cause.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 07 15:22:22
"generally" = always
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 07 18:40:17
Bedminster club members invited in to watch Trump's press conference:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ee2qJTpXsAA-_3i?format=jpg

per state regulations at NJ golf courses: masks are mandatory (+ max of 25% capacity)

Trump's golf course is flouting the law... & Trump fans mostly maskless

another shock to all
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 07 22:25:26
after reporters were posting ^those photos, Bedminster staff started handing out masks

(but still would be a violation)

so later a reporter asked about them flouting the laws & Trump claimed they were all protesters of the fake news (as protesting is an exception apparently)
http://youtu.be/S0s7XIDCEc4?t=2300
what a shitbag
and no, he wasn't joking...
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 08 08:24:49
^What a troll lol. Trump is awesome.

And yes, as long as you call an event a "peaceful protest" you can flout lockdown measures all you want. We have plenty of precedent for this by now.
TJ
Member
Sat Aug 08 10:41:40
TW:

This should get you hyperventilating. Outcome on the horizon. Last month I sold my last Harley, one of four and my 6 cyl Honda. At 72, I felt it was time to give it up.

The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally is known as the “granddaddy of 'em all” in biking circles around the world, averaging 450,000 visitors to the motorcycle Mecca on a normal year. They are only expecting 250k this year.

A peaceful protest. lulz

http://www...cycle-rally/5820147/?cat=10151
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 11:56:25
a country's 'leader' -should- be doing -something- to try to stop the spread of the virus instead of nothing (or actively harming it)

you find it hilarious the 'President' is violating the laws meant to help & excusing it w/ bullshit... what is wrong w/ you?

you should be angry he's not getting his fans to wear masks & distance & whatever else... he's HARMING efforts to reopen
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 12:03:43
...and i doubt it was 'trolling'... looked like he was trying to avoid fines (Bedminster is his club)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 12:07:41
or maybe there's even risk of getting temporarily shut down... i'm not going to investigate NJ law :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 12:34:10
i would bet $ he suspended his rallies after the (actively harmful) Tulsa rally (which likely killed Herman Cain) because of the crowd size humiliation rather than any virus concerns (same for convention activities)
TJ
Member
Sat Aug 08 12:46:45
"you find it hilarious the 'President' is violating the laws meant to help & excusing it w/ bullshit... what is wrong w/ you?"

If that remark was intended for me my answer is:

Whatever you believe is fine with me. On behalf of all contributors that amount to approximately 40% of the posts in your 41 threads: You are welcome! Keep up the excellent work.

I find that hilarious.

I have little doubt that Trump was being sarcastic with his peaceful protest remark.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 12:49:58
& there's basically proof of ^that

in that Jonathan Swan (Axios) interview Swan asks 'wasn't it irresponsible to hold such a large rally?' (not mentioning crowd size #'s -at all-)

which Trump can't even process & immediately starts claiming the crowd was larger than reported & would've been even bigger if not for protesters


so his answer to 'wasn't it irresponsible to hold such a large rally?'
basically is 'it was way more irresponsible than media reported & i wanted it even more irresponsible than that'

there's your hilarity...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 12:53:28
(my last post was meant to point to my prior comment)

& i was talking to Rugian w/ the 'what's wrong w/ you'

i don't care bikers are being stupid, it starts from the top... until Trump stops being wholly unfit (which won't happen) & starts helping, his followers won't do anything either

Trump was NOT being sarcastic, that link in my post is the video of it, no sign of joking at all... & his legal team had prepared the text of the law for him & that excuse to use... it would even make sense if his club at risk of being shut down, why wouldnt it? 90% were maskless + over capacity (i think 25 peerson limit)... it wasn't like a few slipped through the cracks
TJ
Member
Sat Aug 08 13:11:13
Thanks for letting me know what you view as hilarity, it is indeed an eye opener. I have no doubt about your exceptionalism concerning belief.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 13:26:23
i was again talking to Rugian

i will try to make it more clear in the future given all the people talking to me here
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 13:29:07
to no one in particular:


"The president told Governor Noem that he aspired to have his image etched on Mt. Rushmore.

Last year, a White House aide reached out to her office to ask what the process is to add additional presidents to Mt. Rushmore"


must be fake news, he'd never inquire about such a thing
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 08 13:33:50
(i typed my 'hilarity' post before even seeing your 'hilarious' post... which is why i had to note subsequently what i meant my post to be aiming at... but i can understand your confusion)
TJ
Member
Sat Aug 08 13:37:53
Ta;king to Rugian or not the equal substance was gleaned in the process.

10 days of concerts Trump can't stop because of State rights. C-19 data will be interesting. Should I start a thread on how many individuals are struck with it while still attending the events?

http://www.sturgismotorcyclerally.com//concerts/
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