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Habebe
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Sat Aug 01 12:05:54
http://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53596705

Omg, She would be the perfect Democrat.

Not only a woman, but a minority cripple ( why hasn't she dyed her hair blue to be more " extreme")

But alas, idk why they are even floating this she was born in Bangkok so I dont think she is eligible.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sat Aug 01 12:24:54
She's not a war hero.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 12:38:20
she has 2 medals that are awarded for heroism
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sat Aug 01 12:39:59
Not born in the USA, she could not replace Biden when he dies one day after inauguration. Who would then become President? Pelosi? Is this the evil plan?
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sat Aug 01 12:43:16
Now I get it: they hope that Trump would insult her for her being a cripple, but Trump is too noble for that, won't happen.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 01 13:04:12
AA, Its a requirement for a VP that they be eligible for the presidency, since she was born abroad she can't run. Perhaps she was born on a US base? Or Brita just didn't fact check VP eligibility.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 13:09:43
her father was a citizen, so she's a citizen from birth, so fine

same as Ted Cruz

(& why Obama birtherism was extra stupid, so its fitting Trump was the leader)
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Sat Aug 01 13:47:46
I'm 100% Pro Ducksworth. Republicans are scared of her that is why Tucker attacked her.

She lived through the KHmer Rouge.

Lost both legs in Iraq

Won a Republican Congressional seat from Retard Joe .

Trump will attack her. Mock her injuries and claim the Iraq war was her fault.
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 01 13:59:09
Another far-left candidate with zero moderate political positions to appeal to centrists or conservatives. I suppose tw thinks this is what "unifying the country" looks like.
patom
Member
Sat Aug 01 14:02:48
Of course Trump will attack her and lie about her. Call her no hero. As if he would know one.
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 01 14:04:32
Even if Trump does lose in November, the extremism of the Democrats is going to cause a conservative backlash that'll make the Tea Party look quaint by comparison. It's going to be a fucking ugly period.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 14:42:42
Trump would be fine starting a civil war rather than admit defeat

he's done more than lay the ground work w/ his continued attacks on the election integrity (which would've happened even w/o the mail-in issue he's latched on to):

“You won’t know the election result for week months, maybe years after. Maybe you’ll never know the election result. That’s what I’m concerned with – it’ll be fixed. It’ll be rigged"

"This is going to be the greatest election disaster in history"

so helpful
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sat Aug 01 14:55:03
patom
Member Sat Aug 01 14:02:48
"Call her no hero."

She's no hero.
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Aug 01 14:59:16
i guess pick is susan rice.. another foreign policy lefty who does virtue signaling by mass murdering high body counts based on lies

god help us
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 01 15:04:47
"hero: A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life"

she was flying a helicopter in an area where it got hit by an RPG... sounds like some courage & risking of life to me
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 01 15:10:15
I prefer heroes that don't get shot down by the enemy.

"werewolf dictator
Member Sat Aug 01 14:59:16
i guess pick is susan rice."

She has no known political clout, so hopefully that prevents her from being selected. Hopefully.
hood
Member
Sat Aug 01 15:23:45
So rugian doesn't think that any dead soldier has ever been hero quality, huh?
patom
Member
Sat Aug 01 16:32:18
Rugian's hero all have bone spurs.
Y2A
Member
Sat Aug 01 16:37:28
put some money on susan rice on predict it. not sure if she will get in but bought it low and it is at double the value I bought it now. not sure when to get out because it is still at 24c and think it could go higher.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 01 16:48:07
Makes sense about ted Cruz, there has always been something " off" about him.


He seems like the guy who goes to the play ground with no kids.
Y2A
Member
Sat Aug 01 16:50:50
Duckworth has gained a lot in the past few days. karen bass looks way overvalued.

http://www...c-vice-presidential-nomination
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sat Aug 01 17:13:43
tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Aug 01 15:04:47
"she was flying a helicopter in an area where it got hit by an RPG... sounds like some courage & risking of life to me"

She got the medals for getting her legs blown off. Participation trophies for a cripple. If heroism is defined as broadly as you suggest and being in a dangerous area is the standard, William Calley and his men should also be considered to be heroes. Trump also for flying into Afghanistan.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sat Aug 01 17:15:26
Hard to believe Kamala is the front-runner. She adds nothing to the ticket. Biden should win anyway but picking her would be a mistake.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 01 17:19:34
If Biden really wants to impress me get Fisher Stevens playing am Indian guy with an 80s robot.

If you didnt get choked up at him losing number 5 you have no soul? ( like.Ted Cruz)
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sat Aug 01 17:29:46
He'd win over 400 EV if he picked Tulsi. But the neocons pulling his strings would never allow that.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 01 17:31:51
Honestly I liked Tulsi, well except that bad boyfriend law...

CrownRoyal
Member
Sat Aug 01 21:44:00
“ He'd win over 400 EV if he picked Tulsi.”

How’s so? He probably wouldn’t pick up any more Democratic Party voters, it would be a tough sales pitch. “Vote for my VP, the only Democratic Party member of congress who chose to not vote to impeach Trump!”. For that massive EV win, what is that tulsi electorate swinging to Biden, influencing whole states?
Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 02 01:07:00
Republicans who dislike Trump could probably be swayed. A VP for Biden is way more important than previous VPs. Most people know he will likely suffer a major health issue first term if elected, he already appears mentally lost like Alzheimers or dementia.

Not even poking fun. I seen my Grandma go through Dementia, it starts with mixing up people, times and places.

She would tell me stories that her grandson ( me) was going to going to come visit . recurring details of a trip made 20 years prior.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Aug 02 03:52:47
Whoever Biden picks will be our next president as well so I hope he choses wisely.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Aug 02 03:59:05
Sorry, the president after our next president since Biden will be our next president.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sun Aug 02 07:01:20
CrownRoyal
Member Sat Aug 01 21:44:00
"How’s so? He probably wouldn’t pick up any more Democratic Party voters, it would be a tough sales pitch. “Vote for my VP, the only Democratic Party member of congress who chose to not vote to impeach Trump!”. For that massive EV win, what is that tulsi electorate swinging to Biden, influencing whole states?"

She'd pick up more leftists and moderates. People who aren't race reductionists. Anti-war progressives. Moderate listeners/viewers of Joe Rogan. She also has some crossover appeal to the right. And when she calls Trump Saudi Barbaria's bitch, there's no comeback because it's actually true... unlike the Russiagate and Ukrainegate nonsense. Also, the ppl want a VPilf.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sun Aug 02 07:03:15
She also isn't losing anyone because of her impeachment vote. The pro-impeachment tards have no choice other than voting for Biden.
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 02 07:49:31
Renzo Marquez
Member Sun Aug 02 07:03:15
She also isn't losing anyone because of her impeachment vote.

You obviously don't go to r/politics, because that DSA circlejerk still gives her the Benedict Arnold treatment to this day for that.

A few radical reddit commies aside though, you are correct.
CrownRoyal
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:01:25
“ She also isn't losing anyone because of her impeachment vote. ”

Sure, but the claim is she gets Biden to the 400 EC votes. What is he getting now, without tulsi, in your mind? I want to see what states you think she flips
CrownRoyal
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:10:38
I cant see democratic voters being very inspired By the barrage of Donald commercials, all saying how Biden’s VP thinks that all Democrats who voted to impeach trump are fuckin retards, but who knows, maybe you are correct, Biden doesn’t lose any votes over it. Can moderate listeners of Joe Rogan in red states be motivated to vote in large numbers?
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:25:42
Starting here:

http://www.270towin.com/

Biden/Gabbard win the tossups and flip Texas (where some polls already have Biden ahead).
CrownRoyal
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:33:15
Biden is ahead in Texas without tulsi but he flips Texas with her as VP, ok, fair enough. So Biden gets around 360 without tulsi. This part we can actually verify in a few month
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:45:33
CR, he's ahead in some polls. I don't think he'd actually win in TX if the election was today. And I expect his VP pick to hurt him in TX.
patom
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:45:46
Habebe, we already had Reagan going through dementia and survived. In fact most Republicans consider him a Saint or some kind of super hero.

Per Meet the Press this morning they are down to 3 picks, Kamala Harris, Rice, and some Congresswoman from Calif. who apparently visited Cuba when in her early 20's. Which seems that the party is willing to lose Florida with.
CrownRoyal
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:54:16
“ CR, he's ahead in some polls. I don't think he'd actually win in TX if the election was today. ”


But picking tulsi would flip it, that’s what you think? Where are the 400EC votes coming from?
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sun Aug 02 09:56:04
See my post from Sun Aug 02 09:25:42. I already answered this.
Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 02 10:27:33
PAtom, Well, Reagan could fly and shoot lasers from his eyes.

But serisously Reagan was ok till the end of the 2nd term. Plus he had HW, which history has treated well because for all of his faults he took the job serious and was a natural steward.
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 02 10:47:12
I will lol if it does turn out to be Harris. Her primary campaign literally consisted of insinuating that Biden was a racist.

The senile idiot deserves it though. He seriously backed himself into a corner by limiting his options to a woman, which largely eliminated the prospects for finding a moderate centrist candidate who could serve as a counterweight against his own tilt to the left.

If Biden does win, he gets 2-4 years before the GOP retakes the House. His radical agenda and administration will drive voters away fast.
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 02 10:51:35
As for Bass, she's toast. Biden isn't going to write off Florida for her sake.
patom
Member
Sun Aug 02 13:09:45
Rugian, so essentially you're saying that Biden needs to nominate Attila the Hun to balance his left leaning.
hood
Member
Sun Aug 02 13:13:52
"finding a moderate centrist candidate"

Strange, nobody seems to give 2 shits about "moderate centrist" republicans. They're actually viewed by many as horrible race traitors, daring to work with the vile democrats. What is a centrist going to do for Biden? Republicans are either tickling their tonsils with Trumps toadstool or voting Biden.
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 02 13:29:02
Hood

There are only several thousand articles from the last few months about Trump's failure to make inroads with moderate voters and how his poll numbers have sunk as a result. You are welcome to peruse any one of them.

More than that though, a large part of Biden's appeal is supposedly that he represents a "return to normal" (as if the state of politics pre-2016 is worth going back to in the first place, but whatever). If he instead turns out to just be the Democratic equivalent of Trumpism, then the same hpyerpartisanship we see today will only get worse.

Democrats have thought of themselves as the "resistance" for the last four years. Imagine how the conservatives will "resist" AOC's GND, major tax and spending increases, anti-white government initiatives, gun seizures, court packing, filibuster elimination, and so on.
hood
Member
Sun Aug 02 13:41:23
"Imagine how the conservatives will "resist""

No need to imagine. It's what they've been doing for over a decade. It's extremely dishonest to suggest conservatives would change how they operate one iota, no matter who is elected or what politics they put forward. You have been throwing a decade-long tantrum. Why would it change?
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 02 13:51:15
We haven't even seen a "tantrum" (your word, not mine) the likes of which will happen if the left starts reshaping all branches of the federal government in order to permanently monopolize their power over it.

Do you realize how much of an escalation many current Democratic proposals represent?
hood
Member
Sun Aug 02 14:15:25
All right wing fucktards do is threaten great retribution if their opponents do the exact things they've been doing.

Do you realize how much of an escalation the right wing has been since 2008?
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 02 14:22:09
Hey, remember when it was 2007 and Democrats were eagerly working with the Bush administration to pass conservative bills in Congress? Yeah, me neither.

This is an amazing double standard. When Republicans are the opposition party, they're obstructionist for blocking Obama's shit. When Democrats are the opposition party, they're heroes for blocking Trump's shit.
hood
Member
Sun Aug 02 14:33:04
Hey, remember when Bush hadn't caused an economic collapse and shit was actually being done? Not good shit, but teamwork did exist.

Then the republicans put the success of the party before the well-being of the country to a shameful degree, well beyond anything the US had seen before. And then, as I mentioned above, they began their tantrums and threats of retribution if anyone dared to sink to their level of depravity.
Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 02 14:43:51
"Strange, nobody seems to give 2 shits about "moderate centrist" republicans. "

How is Trump NOT a moderate Republican? He has governed very much in the middle.

He passed a new NAFTA that was backed by the unions.

Funded minority colleges.

Follows protectionist policies etc.
patom
Member
Mon Aug 03 03:58:37
Please show us a list of Centrist Republicans.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Aug 03 04:43:29
Rugian is depraved.
Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 03 05:05:10
Patom, I would say in the sense that the current Republican party is the party of Trump that most of them are moderates.

As for the democrats the small fringe section has often been the loudest, however Biden, relatively a moderate himself won the nomination, but his claim on the.presidency rests with " Im not Trump"

Trump in rhetoric routinely enjoys kissing off the democrats but with the exception of Immigration what has he done that is extremely partisan?
hood
Member
Mon Aug 03 08:46:28
Just about everything?
Rugian
Member
Mon Aug 03 08:54:07
Trump is by and large a centrist. By the standards of the 1990s, he could have conceivably been a Democrat based on his current policies.

It's not his fault if leftist media have shifted the Overton window so much since then.

Rugian
Member
Mon Aug 03 08:56:08
Although that's not the same as saying he isnt partisan. The full out war between Trump and Democrats has been extremely partisan.
Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 03 10:44:34
I meant partisan as left or right in terms of governing ideology.

He has governed as a moderate with the exception of Immigration.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 11 15:21:48
Lol. Leftists are pushing to defund police and Biden picks the Top Cop

Democrats really are clueless
Rugian
Member
Tue Aug 11 15:24:13
President Kamala Harris

Kill me now.
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 11 15:33:18
Sounds reasonable. I think she passes my sniff test.
Rugian
Member
Tue Aug 11 15:37:01
I dont think you understand how callbacks are supposed to work.
kargen
Member
Tue Aug 11 15:42:07
Before President Trump and Hillary Clinton decided to run for office their political views were fairly close.
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 11 15:44:44
Well, it could have been worse, who was fat one who lost in Georgia?
patom
Member
Tue Aug 11 15:49:24
Kargan, I really don't think Trump has any real convictions about political views. This guy lives in the moment and will do and say anything that strokes his ego.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Tue Aug 11 16:18:56
I wasn't planning on voting but if Trump mentions Kkkopmala and Willie Brown I'll vote for him.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Tue Aug 11 16:22:53
Trump could counter Harris by choosing a woman as VP, too. Palin is ready:

http://peo...re-scrutiny-than-men/?amp=true

As for herself, Palin said she would run for office again "in a heartbeat"
Renzo Marquez
Member
Tue Aug 11 16:37:35
He should drop Pence for Tulsi.
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 11 16:39:14
Harris can atleast stand her ground in a debate. More than we can say about Biden.
Dakyron
Member
Tue Aug 11 16:40:59
"Democrats really are clueless "

Something like 79% of the US public does not support steep cuts to police departments and a majority doesn't favor any cuts.

Maybe its you who is clueless?
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 11 16:56:52
You can't make this shit up.

Biden already said she has been a good servant.... Made me smile.
sam adams
Member
Tue Aug 11 17:03:40
Well the far left hates her so she must at least have some redeeming factors.
FREAK NATION
Member
Tue Aug 11 17:05:06
You don't know what a public servant is?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 11 17:30:09
Trump repeatedly called her "nasty" just now so i guess Hillary people can re-use those shirts/hats

(Trump being the guy who uses childish personal attacks on any perceived foes)
Rugian
Member
Tue Aug 11 17:39:47
She literally used her first debate to play the race card and cast Biden as "not a racist" (meaning racist).

She's a very nasty woman. And Biden picking her anyway despite that shows that he has no sense of shame.
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 11 17:45:57
Sam, Still trying to justify your vote?
Pillz
Member
Tue Aug 11 18:34:23
If Trump picked Tulsi it wouldn't change a thing for him.

Harris has a very public record of poor judgement and unethical behavior.

Biden needed a clean, quiet running mate (like trump picked pence), now they'll take flak on both sides.

Going to come down to what lasts longer, looting season or peak corona.
Pillz
Member
Tue Aug 11 18:40:47
Also, how bad looting season is.

The people who survive corona (99.5%) are going to be pretty pissed at the impacts on whatever businesses survived, as well as on public services, and knee jerk legislation...

Frankly think Biden does better then Hillary but trump still pulls the win.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 11 19:11:51
"Something like 79% of the US public does not support steep cuts to police departments and a majority doesn't favor any cuts.

Maybe its you who is clueless?"

Taking traditionally Democratic support for granted is how you have four years of REEEE'ing and blaming third parties.

It took one fucking one-liner on Kamala's AG record to tank her primary campaign.
Y2A
Member
Tue Aug 11 19:35:33
don't know much about harris. was pulling for rice but seems an ok pick.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 11 21:11:02
I'm glad not Rice or it'd be non-stop "Benghazi!" again
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 11 21:17:09
Trump has been pronouncing her name wrong, putting emphasis on middle

seems Tucker was too... perhaps a strategy to make her sound muslim-y
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 11 21:28:36
Tw, Like " Ha-reese" ?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 11 22:08:10
the first name

here's Fucker Tarlson flipping out about being corrected on the pronunciation:
http://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1293339970732785664

note a chyron "Kamala Harris: I Believe Biden Sex Accusers"

whoa, what?! ...but note not in quotes, as that's not a quote... she said she believed the accusers of unwanted touching/kissing (like on the back of the head)

a bit of stretch to call them "sex accusers" there Fox (but you are a garbage network, so what can we expect)

the Tara Reade allegation came out much later & i see no record of Kamala saying she believes that shaky story
...plus that -still- wouldn't make it plural
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 11 22:39:55
Umm, the Tara reads allegation came out in the 90s... Pretty sure.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 11 22:48:08
the allegation is actions from the 90's... she didn't target it at Biden til he became the nominee
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 12 02:02:12
Sort of.... But thats its own thread.

So Harris actually seems shittier than id thought. Tulsi was on poimt at the debate.

http://www...bard-joe-biden-fact-check/amp/
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Aug 12 02:39:29
The way that her story as AG of California goes, she is an opportunistic and ruthless cunt.
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 12 02:53:26
I find it amusing how the fact check seems to try and side with Harris but it comes out like " Well this technically true, but its misleading"

Or in the case of keeping inmates after there release date to help fight wild fires " That's a lie, she tried to push this but the judge shot her down"_ that doesn't make it any better.

Thats like saying " The defendant tried to enslave the victim, but she ran away"

Biden's criticism while factually off, gets the gist right. Basically one of Kamalas lab techs was stealing drugs and messing with tests and they hid the fact, which is very illegal in this country and so 1k cases got dropped.... Again it goes to a pattern that she's kimd of evil but is bad at it, gets caught and repented.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed Aug 12 02:55:32
How should Tucker know how to pronounce her name when she has not an American name? Her name is from Asia. Do you know which thing came from Asia, too? THE VIRUS!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Aug 12 03:03:18
Kamala Harris has been chastized and shamed by judges for the shit that she has tried to pull.

Tulsi Gabbard, is by far the best presidential candidate the US has seen since I remember. Opportunity lost...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 12 17:00:13
here's some post Biden/Harris speech analysis from Fox News:

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1293664455616794636

i'll guess Judge Jeanine the only one who opened with 'i think Biden will be dead soon'
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