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Habebe
rank Wed Aug 05 17:11:13 2020
And how will this effect global politics? Paramount recently jad a thread about climate migration which touched on this.

I recently was reading how Canada and Russia were warming 2.5 x faster than the rest of the world. Russia sees the positives like more farmland and arctic shipping routes.

We can already generalize that colder climates and higher elevations of territory will fair better than the opposite.

Canada could become an agricultural powerhouse, perhapd Russia as well. Scandinavia can see clear benefits with new shipping lanes. Alaska may finally see a population boom, who knows.

Dukhat
rank Wed Aug 05 18:03:26 2020
Russia won’t benefit as much as it thinks. Their population is shrinking due to horribly shortsighted policies. And no agricultural productivity will not increase even in places like Canada. Water access will be harder in a warming climate and weather volatiltiy will be way higher. It’s better to stabilize and reverse climate change while we can rather than accept the Trumptard strategy of letting it run free.

Average Ameriacn
rank Wed Aug 05 18:11:54 2020
Siberia will sink and all factories will crash.

Habebe
rank Wed Aug 05 18:49:12 2020
Dukhat, Some of it is already here, Norway is already looking into better shipping lamest China and Japan.

Which reminds me, how much of Japan could be underwater?

I agree that its better to take a multi pronged approach of carbon reduction and geo engineering to try to and keep things closer to how they are.

But I dont think we can stop it all before it drastically effects our world.

Below is a link to the Russian story.

http://www...e-advantages-of-climate-change

Habebe
rank Wed Aug 05 18:52:30 2020
http://www...anada-into-a-global-superpower

Canada story, there are others even dating back to Canadian scholarly articles dating back to 1989.

I'm not decalaring this just devils advocate at best.

Habebe
rank Wed Aug 05 18:56:10 2020
Now as for Fresh water Id say the US/ Canada at least have the great Lakes.

Habebe
rank Wed Aug 05 18:56:11 2020
Now as for Fresh water Id say the US/ Canada at least have the great Lakes.

sam adams
rank Wed Aug 05 19:08:28 2020
"Water access will be harder in a warming climate and weather volatiltiy will be way higher."

Wrong.

Lol@cuckhat trying to science.

Anyway...

The biggest winners will be left will be left wing firms and politicians to exploit the funding created by weenies like duckhat.

The biggest losers will be the very lowlying areas and skiers who live near marginal temperature locations.

sam adams
rank Wed Aug 05 19:10:19 2020
Woa my phone butchered that.

The biggest winners will be left wing firms and politicians who exploit the funding created by weenies like duckhat.

Habebe
rank Thu Aug 06 16:56:37 2020
Taiwan and I think Indonesia have talked about moving there capitals already. China and the US could see major cities with under sea water or flooded out.

The UK, Taiwan, Japan and Indonesia are all island nations of great importance now, but what happens when they sink? Larger places like Australia the US and China have inland territory to flee to. Bitnthese mighty nations will either become super dense or immigrate to elsewhere.

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 17:45:06 2020
"the US could see major cities with under sea water or flooded out. "

Just shitholes like Miami and New Orleans. I'd have to look at a map again, but even a few feet of sea level rise and Arizona might have some oceanfront property in its southwest corner. So... bring on climate change?

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 17:46:08 2020
"The UK, Taiwan, Japan and Indonesia are all island nations of great importance now, but what happens when they sink? "

The islands would not sink, fucktard. Parts of their coast would be permanently flooded by rising tides.

Habebe
rank Thu Aug 06 18:30:42 2020
Shitholes still produce revenue.

Sink may be a an exaggeration, but I wanted to draw attention to the thread.

Btw I was going to respond with fucktard but my autocorrect changed it to Richard....

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 19:13:14 2020
"Sink may be a an exaggeration, but I wanted to draw attention to the thread. "

Its not exaggeration, it is wrong. The islands will flood, not sink.

Nimatzo
rank Thu Aug 06 19:33:48 2020
What an autistic thing to take issue with, we understand what he means!

Also there is a website that shows this.

http://www.floodmap.net/

Nimatzo
rank Thu Aug 06 19:37:55 2020
Btw! When we speak about above sea level and below sea level, it means by definition that areas that are flooded by the oceans sink into the ocean. Yes they sink below sea level as they are flooded.

Don’t every change habebe! Not a word, do not let the autista get to you.

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 19:46:33 2020
Your map defaults to 400 meters of rising oceans. By 2100, oceans are predicted to rise about a foot(0.3M).

The map claims it would take a rise of 30M to get ocean into the southwest AZ corner... So, probably not happening.

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 19:48:47 2020
If all glaciers melted, you are looking at 70M. So WTF is with the map showing 400M?

Nimatzo
rank Thu Aug 06 19:49:55 2020
10 meters, if we are so lucky.

Nimatzo
rank Thu Aug 06 19:52:07 2020
Jesus Christ, this guys would get lost in a shoe box. You can change it Dakyron, they arbitrarily let it go to 400 m, it could have been 800 meter or 3000 meters.

Habebe
rank Thu Aug 06 20:23:20 2020
Regardless, thebgist stays the same. Most island nations are at higher risk from rising sea levels. The ones I listed are all at least regional powers ( you can argue Indonesia but That place has like half a billion people)

And while projectuoms of will be the great powers of tomorrow based on current growth models are important, changing climate could really rewrite the future.

The US/China rift is a big deal now, and the US allies in the Pacific are vital now more than ever. And currently some of them are going to be facing some of the biggest obstacles.

Nimatzo, Lol, I never will.

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 21:05:36 2020
"Jesus Christ, this guys would get lost in a shoe box. You can change it Dakyron, they arbitrarily let it go to 400 m, it could have been 800 meter or 3000 meters. "

No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is.

When 0.3M is the projection, putting it at 400 is clearly done with a purpose.

Nimatzo
rank Thu Aug 06 21:12:18 2020
What do you think the purpose is?

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 21:14:13 2020
"What do you think the purpose is? "

Me, 7 minutes ago:

No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is.

Nimatzo
rank Thu Aug 06 21:16:58 2020
So you think this random website, that contains nothing more than a flood simulator, is propaganda?

Habebe
rank Thu Aug 06 21:19:20 2020
Correction, Indonesia has 275 million in population, so about half what I stated earlier.

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 21:21:03 2020
"So you think this random website, that contains nothing more than a flood simulator, is propaganda?"

Me, 9 minutes ago:

No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is.

Nimatzo
rank Thu Aug 06 21:24:45 2020
I am asking because, that is batshit crazy and I want to be absolutely sure that is what you are saying. Is this what you are saying, yes or no?

Dakyron
rank Thu Aug 06 21:41:49 2020
Me, 27 minutes ago:

No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is.

Nekran
rank Thu Aug 06 21:46:03 2020
It is what he's saying.

sam adams
rank Thu Aug 06 22:17:07 2020
Dakyron has a point. 400m? What is this dark magic? Waterworld physics class with kevin costner?

Habebe
rank Thu Aug 06 23:02:58 2020
Sam, You can adjust it to any level you want though.

Pillz
rank Fri Aug 07 00:04:59 2020
But it defaults to 400m to incite panic and spread misinformation.

Wrath of Orion
rank Fri Aug 07 18:27:31 2020
Instead of making baseless accusations, why don't you email the guy and ask? I mean, I know why, but hey, I thought I'd ask anyway.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 18:39:10 2020
sameer_swapna@yahoo.com

Sounds reasonable.

I emailed him and will let you know the response if I get one.

obaminated
rank Fri Aug 07 18:52:34 2020
Someone programmed it to start at 400m for a reason. Its not like this site pick an arbitrary starting point on its on.

400m sounds a lot more scary than 1m and most people are too lazy and dumb to bother to see why its a really stupid starting point.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 18:54:07 2020
Well its attention gathering.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 18:54:54 2020
And the point is to play around with the calculator.

Habebe
rank Sun Aug 09 17:17:49 2020
http://amp...y-flooding-intl-hnk/index.html

Here is an example of what I mean.

So IDK the cause ofnthese floods. But I think we can all agree that because of CC we can expect more all around the world.

The US bread basket isnt under the Sam sort of threat as China's with river floods. However it's under a different and if not taken care of worse threat.

The US gets much of its water for crops from aquifers. But that isnt an unlimited supply and we use it faster than it can be replenished. If too much is gone it can cause cave ins.

We need to start prioritizing fresh water supplies, not just for drinking but for agriculture.

The US and China account for a huge amount of agriculture. And I doubt they are the only ones at risk.

For the US we have the great Lakes which is cool but not entirely full proof.

I have seen giant " air conditioners" that suck moisture from the air.

The other option is desalination techniques but they are too expensive to scale at this time afaik.

Habebe
rank Thu Aug 20 11:57:58 2020
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Habebe rank	Wed Aug 05 17:11:13 2020 And how will this effect global politics? Paramount recently jad a thread about climate migration which touched on this. I recently was reading how Canada and Russia were warming 2.5 x faster than the rest of the world. Russia sees the positives like more farmland and arctic shipping routes. We can already generalize that colder climates and higher elevations of territory will fair better than the opposite. Canada could become an agricultural powerhouse, perhapd Russia as well. Scandinavia can see clear benefits with new shipping lanes. Alaska may finally see a population boom, who knows.
Dukhat rank	Wed Aug 05 18:03:26 2020 Russia won’t benefit as much as it thinks. Their population is shrinking due to horribly shortsighted policies. And no agricultural productivity will not increase even in places like Canada. Water access will be harder in a warming climate and weather volatiltiy will be way higher. It’s better to stabilize and reverse climate change while we can rather than accept the Trumptard strategy of letting it run free.
Average Ameriacn rank	Wed Aug 05 18:11:54 2020 Siberia will sink and all factories will crash.
Habebe rank	Wed Aug 05 18:49:12 2020 Dukhat, Some of it is already here, Norway is already looking into better shipping lamest China and Japan. Which reminds me, how much of Japan could be underwater? I agree that its better to take a multi pronged approach of carbon reduction and geo engineering to try to and keep things closer to how they are. But I dont think we can stop it all before it drastically effects our world. Below is a link to the Russian story. http://www...e-advantages-of-climate-change
Habebe rank	Wed Aug 05 18:52:30 2020 http://www...anada-into-a-global-superpower Canada story, there are others even dating back to Canadian scholarly articles dating back to 1989. I'm not decalaring this just devils advocate at best.
Habebe rank	Wed Aug 05 18:56:10 2020 Now as for Fresh water Id say the US/ Canada at least have the great Lakes.
Habebe rank	Wed Aug 05 18:56:11 2020 Now as for Fresh water Id say the US/ Canada at least have the great Lakes.
sam adams rank	Wed Aug 05 19:08:28 2020 "Water access will be harder in a warming climate and weather volatiltiy will be way higher." Wrong. Lol@cuckhat trying to science. Anyway... The biggest winners will be left will be left wing firms and politicians to exploit the funding created by weenies like duckhat. The biggest losers will be the very lowlying areas and skiers who live near marginal temperature locations.
sam adams rank	Wed Aug 05 19:10:19 2020 Woa my phone butchered that. The biggest winners will be left wing firms and politicians who exploit the funding created by weenies like duckhat.
Habebe rank	Thu Aug 06 16:56:37 2020 Taiwan and I think Indonesia have talked about moving there capitals already. China and the US could see major cities with under sea water or flooded out. The UK, Taiwan, Japan and Indonesia are all island nations of great importance now, but what happens when they sink? Larger places like Australia the US and China have inland territory to flee to. Bitnthese mighty nations will either become super dense or immigrate to elsewhere.
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 17:45:06 2020 "the US could see major cities with under sea water or flooded out. " Just shitholes like Miami and New Orleans. I'd have to look at a map again, but even a few feet of sea level rise and Arizona might have some oceanfront property in its southwest corner. So... bring on climate change?
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 17:46:08 2020 "The UK, Taiwan, Japan and Indonesia are all island nations of great importance now, but what happens when they sink? " The islands would not sink, fucktard. Parts of their coast would be permanently flooded by rising tides.
Habebe rank	Thu Aug 06 18:30:42 2020 Shitholes still produce revenue. Sink may be a an exaggeration, but I wanted to draw attention to the thread. Btw I was going to respond with fucktard but my autocorrect changed it to Richard....
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 19:13:14 2020 "Sink may be a an exaggeration, but I wanted to draw attention to the thread. " Its not exaggeration, it is wrong. The islands will flood, not sink.
Nimatzo rank	Thu Aug 06 19:33:48 2020 What an autistic thing to take issue with, we understand what he means! Also there is a website that shows this. http://www.floodmap.net/
Nimatzo rank	Thu Aug 06 19:37:55 2020 Btw! When we speak about above sea level and below sea level, it means by definition that areas that are flooded by the oceans sink into the ocean. Yes they sink below sea level as they are flooded. Don’t every change habebe! Not a word, do not let the autista get to you.
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 19:46:33 2020 Your map defaults to 400 meters of rising oceans. By 2100, oceans are predicted to rise about a foot(0.3M). The map claims it would take a rise of 30M to get ocean into the southwest AZ corner... So, probably not happening.
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 19:48:47 2020 If all glaciers melted, you are looking at 70M. So WTF is with the map showing 400M?
Nimatzo rank	Thu Aug 06 19:49:55 2020 10 meters, if we are so lucky.
Nimatzo rank	Thu Aug 06 19:52:07 2020 Jesus Christ, this guys would get lost in a shoe box. You can change it Dakyron, they arbitrarily let it go to 400 m, it could have been 800 meter or 3000 meters.
Habebe rank	Thu Aug 06 20:23:20 2020 Regardless, thebgist stays the same. Most island nations are at higher risk from rising sea levels. The ones I listed are all at least regional powers ( you can argue Indonesia but That place has like half a billion people) And while projectuoms of will be the great powers of tomorrow based on current growth models are important, changing climate could really rewrite the future. The US/China rift is a big deal now, and the US allies in the Pacific are vital now more than ever. And currently some of them are going to be facing some of the biggest obstacles. Nimatzo, Lol, I never will.
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 21:05:36 2020 "Jesus Christ, this guys would get lost in a shoe box. You can change it Dakyron, they arbitrarily let it go to 400 m, it could have been 800 meter or 3000 meters. " No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is. When 0.3M is the projection, putting it at 400 is clearly done with a purpose.
Nimatzo rank	Thu Aug 06 21:12:18 2020 What do you think the purpose is?
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 21:14:13 2020 "What do you think the purpose is? " Me, 7 minutes ago: No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is.
Nimatzo rank	Thu Aug 06 21:16:58 2020 So you think this random website, that contains nothing more than a flood simulator, is propaganda?
Habebe rank	Thu Aug 06 21:19:20 2020 Correction, Indonesia has 275 million in population, so about half what I stated earlier.
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 21:21:03 2020 "So you think this random website, that contains nothing more than a flood simulator, is propaganda?" Me, 9 minutes ago: No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is.
Nimatzo rank	Thu Aug 06 21:24:45 2020 I am asking because, that is batshit crazy and I want to be absolutely sure that is what you are saying. Is this what you are saying, yes or no?
Dakyron rank	Thu Aug 06 21:41:49 2020 Me, 27 minutes ago: No, it is set at 400M, something that is impossible and will never happen even if the Sun went supernova, to make climate seem worse than it is.
Nekran rank	Thu Aug 06 21:46:03 2020 It is what he's saying.
sam adams rank	Thu Aug 06 22:17:07 2020 Dakyron has a point. 400m? What is this dark magic? Waterworld physics class with kevin costner?
Habebe rank	Thu Aug 06 23:02:58 2020 Sam, You can adjust it to any level you want though.
Pillz rank	Fri Aug 07 00:04:59 2020 But it defaults to 400m to incite panic and spread misinformation.
Wrath of Orion rank	Fri Aug 07 18:27:31 2020 Instead of making baseless accusations, why don't you email the guy and ask? I mean, I know why, but hey, I thought I'd ask anyway.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 18:39:10 2020 sameer_swapna@yahoo.com Sounds reasonable. I emailed him and will let you know the response if I get one.
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 07 18:52:34 2020 Someone programmed it to start at 400m for a reason. Its not like this site pick an arbitrary starting point on its on. 400m sounds a lot more scary than 1m and most people are too lazy and dumb to bother to see why its a really stupid starting point.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 18:54:07 2020 Well its attention gathering.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 18:54:54 2020 And the point is to play around with the calculator.
Habebe rank	Sun Aug 09 17:17:49 2020 http://amp...y-flooding-intl-hnk/index.html Here is an example of what I mean. So IDK the cause ofnthese floods. But I think we can all agree that because of CC we can expect more all around the world. The US bread basket isnt under the Sam sort of threat as China's with river floods. However it's under a different and if not taken care of worse threat. The US gets much of its water for crops from aquifers. But that isnt an unlimited supply and we use it faster than it can be replenished. If too much is gone it can cause cave ins. We need to start prioritizing fresh water supplies, not just for drinking but for agriculture. The US and China account for a huge amount of agriculture. And I doubt they are the only ones at risk. For the US we have the great Lakes which is cool but not entirely full proof. I have seen giant " air conditioners" that suck moisture from the air. The other option is desalination techniques but they are too expensive to scale at this time afaik.
Habebe rank	Thu Aug 20 11:57:58 2020 T
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