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Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 13:22:47 Exclusive: Germany and France quit WHO reform talks amid tension with Washington (Reuters) - France and Germany have quit talks on reforming the World Health Organization in frustration at attempts by the United States to lead the negotiations, despite its decision to leave the WHO, three officials told Reuters. The move is a setback for President Donald Trump as Washington, which holds the rotating chair of the G7, had hoped to issue a common roadmap for a sweeping overhaul of the WHO in September, two months before the U.S. presidential election. [...] the decision by Paris and Berlin to leave the talks follows tensions over what they say are Washington’s attempts to dominate the negotiations. “Nobody wants to be dragged into a reform process and getting an outline for it from a country which itself just left the WHO,” a senior European official involved in the talks said. The German and French health ministries confirmed to Reuters that the two countries were opposed to the United States leading the talks after announcing their intention to leave the organisation. http://www...shington-sources-idUSKCN25329P The US arrogance knows no boundaries.
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 13:36:42 "Germany and France quit WHO reform talks amid tension with Washington" Why quit the talks, though? The US left WHO. Ban them from the talks. Kick them out of the room. Close the doors. Hold the talks in Paris, Berlin, Rome, or in Beijing :)
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 13:42:31 First off your misinformed, as are the Germans. The US never left the WHO. We said we were leaving in one year, your article even says so. Plus Germany is salty that the US has been pulling troops out of Germany, the US is salty that Germany hasn't been meeting its target, and that there increase is still not meetinf its target. France is a vassal to Germany. The UK, Japan and Canada are still on board with the UK and Canada being vassal states of the US and the Japanese being a close ally on the level of the UK.
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 13:45:40 Yeah, but if the US are gonna leave it, do you think the other members wants the US to dictate the outlines for the reforms, lol?
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 13:45:49 Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid. They're just salty with the US for taking lead in the talks and the troop thing, so they threw a hissy fit and went to there room.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 13:45:49 Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid. They're just salty with the US for taking lead in the talks and the troop thing, so they threw a hissy fit and went to there room.
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 13:47:25 "Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid. " Yeah, but: "European governments have also criticised the WHO but do not go as far as the United States in their criticism"
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 13:47:56 Paramount, What do you want? Of the US does nothing they get salty and say " why didnt they lead?" If we lead they get salty again. Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic. We pay a huge amount of the budget, we want it reformed it makes sense to me to withold that money until.its properly reformed.
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 07 13:48:51 International institutions that dont count the world's last remaining superpower as a member tend to flounder (see the ICC as an example). I think it's safe to say that any country that actually believes in the WHO would seek to have the US as a member.
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 13:50:22 "Paramount, What do you want?" I want the members of the WHO to lead the reform talks. A country who is leaving the WHO needs to shut up and leave.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 13:50:57 Paramount, What do you want? Of the US does nothing they get salty and say " why didnt they lead?" If we lead they get salty again. Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic. We pay a huge amount of the budget, we want it reformed it makes sense to me to withold that money until.its properly reformed.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 13:51:37 In the weeks before the collapse of the talks, negotiators had told Reuters positions were getting closer as Washington softened its approach and European negotiators started to see the reform process as a means to make the WHO more independent from political pressure.. European governments had also began to make sceptical remarks about the WHO in public, with Germany’s health minister urging the WHO to hasten a review of its handling of COVID-19.. In private, some Europeans have supported a tougher line, with some criticising WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus and what they see as politicised management of the pandemic. “Everybody has been critical of Tedros,” a negotiator from a European G7 country told Reuters. A German government source said: “It must ... be ensured in future that the WHO can react neutrally and on the basis of facts to global health events.” But European governments want to make the WHO stronger, better funded and more independent, whereas the U.S. withdrawal of funds is likely to weaken it - Washington is the single largest contributor, providing 15% of the budget. So they're salty were not footing the bill ATM.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Aug 07 13:51:58 Europe criticisms are precise and coherent while offering real solutions. Trump criticisms are incoherent, contradict, and only offer vague solutions.
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 13:54:43 "Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic." The US has submitted their notice of withdrawal to the UN secretary-general. The US is leaving on july 6 2021.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 13:56:01 We will see.
Daemon Member	Fri Aug 07 14:03:43 "Germany is salty that the US has been pulling troops out of Germany" Translated: http://www...uerworten-us-truppenabzug.html According to a survey conducted by the opinion research institute YouGov on behalf of the news agency dpa, 47 percent are in favour of reducing the current 36,000 soldiers. Every fourth person even thinks that the US forces should leave Germany completely. In contrast, not even one in three (32 percent) is in favour of American troops remaining at their current strength (28 percent) or even being increased (4 percent). 21 percent did not make any statements. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 07 14:07:46 Meanwhile, those same polls would probably show that Germans would be happy to station PLA soldiers in Berlin. Your people have lost the plot, Daemon.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 14:22:23 Daemon, Yes the general public seems ok with it. Just as they seem to critisize the WHO as well ( can we get a poll?) But the Gwrman government, the same people who walked out of the talks. http://www...ump-plan-to-withdraw-us-troops
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 14:30:45 Basically This is how I personally see it. Germany doesnt like the US cutting funding from the WHO. But these are the same ppl that refuse to meet there defense spending targets of 2%. Thing is, they have recently shown initiative to increase it, but not enough to meet there goals on time, figure like a decade late. So they're probably seeing this as a smack in the face since they dont see a problem with them welching on their defense, but even still admitted to ponying up the $, just a decade later. I mean, the US and the EU seem to agree that the WHO is shit, and needs to be reformed. But the US is much more financially active while the EU is mostly verbal.
Daemon Member	Fri Aug 07 14:37:32 "Thing is, they have recently shown initiative to increase it, but not enough to meet there goals on time" With the GDP decrease we may achieve the 2% goal without increasing our defence spending!
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 14:40:38 Daemon, Lol, very true. Didnt think about that.
Seb Member	Fri Aug 07 17:21:21 Habebe: Equally until very recently, what is the military threat to Germany that would warrant them spending so much more on defense? Absolutely the US should not be leading the talks. You are leaving the organisation, so why should you have a say in its future? It's not your business anymore. Want to shape a multilateral approach, cancel your hissy fit walkout and pay your dues.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 17:47:41 Seb, What is the US military threat in Europe? They agreed to NATO targets, as you said, pay your dues. As for the WHO until we officially leave we have a say. Now you talk about paying dues and forget that the US has paid more into the WHO than any nation on earth.
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 07 18:43:55 In america leaves the WHO then there is no WHO.
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 07 18:44:03 If*
Dakyron Member	Fri Aug 07 19:46:16 They just need to wait 6 months then talk to Biden.
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