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Paramount
rank Fri Aug 07 20:22:47 2020
Exclusive: Germany and France quit WHO reform talks amid tension with Washington

(Reuters) - France and Germany have quit talks on reforming the World Health Organization in frustration at attempts by the United States to lead the negotiations, despite its decision to leave the WHO, three officials told Reuters.

The move is a setback for President Donald Trump as Washington, which holds the rotating chair of the G7, had hoped to issue a common roadmap for a sweeping overhaul of the WHO in September, two months before the U.S. presidential election.

[...]

the decision by Paris and Berlin to leave the talks follows tensions over what they say are Washington’s attempts to dominate the negotiations.

“Nobody wants to be dragged into a reform process and getting an outline for it from a country which itself just left the WHO,” a senior European official involved in the talks said.

The German and French health ministries confirmed to Reuters that the two countries were opposed to the United States leading the talks after announcing their intention to leave the organisation.

http://www...shington-sources-idUSKCN25329P

The US arrogance knows no boundaries.

Paramount
rank Fri Aug 07 20:36:42 2020
"Germany and France quit WHO reform talks amid tension with Washington"

Why quit the talks, though? The US left WHO. Ban them from the talks. Kick them out of the room. Close the doors. Hold the talks in Paris, Berlin, Rome, or in Beijing :)

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 20:42:31 2020
First off your misinformed, as are the Germans.

The US never left the WHO. We said we were leaving in one year, your article even says so.

Plus Germany is salty that the US has been pulling troops out of Germany, the US is salty that Germany hasn't been meeting its target, and that there increase is still not meetinf its target.

France is a vassal to Germany. The UK, Japan and Canada are still on board with the UK and Canada being vassal states of the US and the Japanese being a close ally on the level of the UK.

Paramount
rank Fri Aug 07 20:45:40 2020
Yeah, but if the US are gonna leave it, do you think the other members wants the US to dictate the outlines for the reforms, lol?

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 20:45:49 2020
Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid.

They're just salty with the US for taking lead in the talks and the troop thing, so they threw a hissy fit and went to there room.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 20:45:49 2020
Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid.

They're just salty with the US for taking lead in the talks and the troop thing, so they threw a hissy fit and went to there room.

Paramount
rank Fri Aug 07 20:47:25 2020
"Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid. "

Yeah, but:

"European governments have also criticised the WHO but do not go as far as the United States in their criticism"

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 20:47:56 2020
Paramount, What do you want? Of the US does nothing they get salty and say " why didnt they lead?" If we lead they get salty again.

Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic. We pay a huge amount of the budget, we want it reformed it makes sense to me to withold that money until.its properly reformed.

Rugian
rank Fri Aug 07 20:48:51 2020
International institutions that dont count the world's last remaining superpower as a member tend to flounder (see the ICC as an example).

I think it's safe to say that any country that actually believes in the WHO would seek to have the US as a member.

Paramount
rank Fri Aug 07 20:50:22 2020
"Paramount, What do you want?"

I want the members of the WHO to lead the reform talks. A country who is leaving the WHO needs to shut up and leave.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 20:50:57 2020
Paramount, What do you want? Of the US does nothing they get salty and say " why didnt they lead?" If we lead they get salty again.

Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic. We pay a huge amount of the budget, we want it reformed it makes sense to me to withold that money until.its properly reformed.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 20:51:37 2020
In the weeks before the collapse of the talks, negotiators had told Reuters positions were getting closer as Washington softened its approach and European negotiators started to see the reform process as a means to make the WHO more independent from political pressure..

European governments had also began to make sceptical remarks about the WHO in public, with Germany’s health minister urging the WHO to hasten a review of its handling of COVID-19..

In private, some Europeans have supported a tougher line, with some criticising WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus and what they see as politicised management of the pandemic.

“Everybody has been critical of Tedros,” a negotiator from a European G7 country told Reuters.

A German government source said: “It must ... be ensured in future that the WHO can react neutrally and on the basis of facts to global health events.”

But European governments want to make the WHO stronger, better funded and more independent, whereas the U.S. withdrawal of funds is likely to weaken it - Washington is the single largest contributor, providing 15% of the budget.

So they're salty were not footing the bill ATM.

Im better then you
rank Fri Aug 07 20:51:58 2020
Europe criticisms are precise and coherent while offering real solutions.

Trump criticisms are incoherent, contradict, and only offer vague solutions.

Paramount
rank Fri Aug 07 20:54:43 2020
"Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic."

The US has submitted their notice of withdrawal to the UN secretary-general. The US is leaving on july 6 2021.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 20:56:01 2020
We will see.

Daemon
rank Fri Aug 07 21:03:43 2020
"Germany is salty that the US has been pulling troops out of Germany"

Translated:
http://www...uerworten-us-truppenabzug.html

According to a survey conducted by the opinion research institute YouGov on behalf of the news agency dpa, 47 percent are in favour of reducing the current 36,000 soldiers. Every fourth person even thinks that the US forces should leave Germany completely. In contrast, not even one in three (32 percent) is in favour of American troops remaining at their current strength (28 percent) or even being increased (4 percent). 21 percent did not make any statements.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Rugian
rank Fri Aug 07 21:07:46 2020
Meanwhile, those same polls would probably show that Germans would be happy to station PLA soldiers in Berlin. Your people have lost the plot, Daemon.

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 21:22:23 2020
Daemon, Yes the general public seems ok with it. Just as they seem to critisize the WHO as well ( can we get a poll?) But the Gwrman government, the same people who walked out of the talks.

http://www...ump-plan-to-withdraw-us-troops

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 21:30:45 2020
Basically This is how I personally see it.

Germany doesnt like the US cutting funding from the WHO. But these are the same ppl that refuse to meet there defense spending targets of 2%.

Thing is, they have recently shown initiative to increase it, but not enough to meet there goals on time, figure like a decade late.

So they're probably seeing this as a smack in the face since they dont see a problem with them welching on their defense, but even still admitted to ponying up the $, just a decade later.

I mean, the US and the EU seem to agree that the WHO is shit, and needs to be reformed. But the US is much more financially active while the EU is mostly verbal.

Daemon
rank Fri Aug 07 21:37:32 2020
"Thing is, they have recently shown initiative to increase it, but not enough to meet there goals on time"

With the GDP decrease we may achieve the 2% goal without increasing our defence spending!

Habebe
rank Fri Aug 07 21:40:38 2020
Daemon, Lol, very true. Didnt think about that.

Seb
rank Sat Aug 08 00:21:21 2020
Habebe:
Equally until very recently, what is the military threat to Germany that would warrant them spending so much more on defense?

Absolutely the US should not be leading the talks. You are leaving the organisation, so why should you have a say in its future? It's not your business anymore.

Want to shape a multilateral approach, cancel your hissy fit walkout and pay your dues.

Habebe
rank Sat Aug 08 00:47:41 2020
Seb, What is the US military threat in Europe? They agreed to NATO targets, as you said, pay your dues.

As for the WHO until we officially leave we have a say. Now you talk about paying dues and forget that the US has paid more into the WHO than any nation on earth.

obaminated
rank Sat Aug 08 01:43:55 2020
In america leaves the WHO then there is no WHO.

obaminated
rank Sat Aug 08 01:44:03 2020
If*

Dakyron
rank Sat Aug 08 02:46:16 2020
They just need to wait 6 months then talk to Biden.

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Paramount rank	Fri Aug 07 20:22:47 2020 Exclusive: Germany and France quit WHO reform talks amid tension with Washington (Reuters) - France and Germany have quit talks on reforming the World Health Organization in frustration at attempts by the United States to lead the negotiations, despite its decision to leave the WHO, three officials told Reuters. The move is a setback for President Donald Trump as Washington, which holds the rotating chair of the G7, had hoped to issue a common roadmap for a sweeping overhaul of the WHO in September, two months before the U.S. presidential election. [...] the decision by Paris and Berlin to leave the talks follows tensions over what they say are Washington’s attempts to dominate the negotiations. “Nobody wants to be dragged into a reform process and getting an outline for it from a country which itself just left the WHO,” a senior European official involved in the talks said. The German and French health ministries confirmed to Reuters that the two countries were opposed to the United States leading the talks after announcing their intention to leave the organisation. http://www...shington-sources-idUSKCN25329P The US arrogance knows no boundaries.
Paramount rank	Fri Aug 07 20:36:42 2020 "Germany and France quit WHO reform talks amid tension with Washington" Why quit the talks, though? The US left WHO. Ban them from the talks. Kick them out of the room. Close the doors. Hold the talks in Paris, Berlin, Rome, or in Beijing :)
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 20:42:31 2020 First off your misinformed, as are the Germans. The US never left the WHO. We said we were leaving in one year, your article even says so. Plus Germany is salty that the US has been pulling troops out of Germany, the US is salty that Germany hasn't been meeting its target, and that there increase is still not meetinf its target. France is a vassal to Germany. The UK, Japan and Canada are still on board with the UK and Canada being vassal states of the US and the Japanese being a close ally on the level of the UK.
Paramount rank	Fri Aug 07 20:45:40 2020 Yeah, but if the US are gonna leave it, do you think the other members wants the US to dictate the outlines for the reforms, lol?
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 20:45:49 2020 Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid. They're just salty with the US for taking lead in the talks and the troop thing, so they threw a hissy fit and went to there room.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 20:45:49 2020 Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid. They're just salty with the US for taking lead in the talks and the troop thing, so they threw a hissy fit and went to there room.
Paramount rank	Fri Aug 07 20:47:25 2020 "Also if you reqd your article, Germans seem just ad fed up with the WHO and its poor handling of covid. " Yeah, but: "European governments have also criticised the WHO but do not go as far as the United States in their criticism"
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 20:47:56 2020 Paramount, What do you want? Of the US does nothing they get salty and say " why didnt they lead?" If we lead they get salty again. Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic. We pay a huge amount of the budget, we want it reformed it makes sense to me to withold that money until.its properly reformed.
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 07 20:48:51 2020 International institutions that dont count the world's last remaining superpower as a member tend to flounder (see the ICC as an example). I think it's safe to say that any country that actually believes in the WHO would seek to have the US as a member.
Paramount rank	Fri Aug 07 20:50:22 2020 "Paramount, What do you want?" I want the members of the WHO to lead the reform talks. A country who is leaving the WHO needs to shut up and leave.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 20:50:57 2020 Paramount, What do you want? Of the US does nothing they get salty and say " why didnt they lead?" If we lead they get salty again. Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic. We pay a huge amount of the budget, we want it reformed it makes sense to me to withold that money until.its properly reformed.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 20:51:37 2020 In the weeks before the collapse of the talks, negotiators had told Reuters positions were getting closer as Washington softened its approach and European negotiators started to see the reform process as a means to make the WHO more independent from political pressure.. European governments had also began to make sceptical remarks about the WHO in public, with Germany’s health minister urging the WHO to hasten a review of its handling of COVID-19.. In private, some Europeans have supported a tougher line, with some criticising WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus and what they see as politicised management of the pandemic. “Everybody has been critical of Tedros,” a negotiator from a European G7 country told Reuters. A German government source said: “It must ... be ensured in future that the WHO can react neutrally and on the basis of facts to global health events.” But European governments want to make the WHO stronger, better funded and more independent, whereas the U.S. withdrawal of funds is likely to weaken it - Washington is the single largest contributor, providing 15% of the budget. So they're salty were not footing the bill ATM.
Im better then you rank	Fri Aug 07 20:51:58 2020 Europe criticisms are precise and coherent while offering real solutions. Trump criticisms are incoherent, contradict, and only offer vague solutions.
Paramount rank	Fri Aug 07 20:54:43 2020 "Odds are we will not leave, it's a bargaining tactic." The US has submitted their notice of withdrawal to the UN secretary-general. The US is leaving on july 6 2021.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 20:56:01 2020 We will see.
Daemon rank	Fri Aug 07 21:03:43 2020 "Germany is salty that the US has been pulling troops out of Germany" Translated: http://www...uerworten-us-truppenabzug.html According to a survey conducted by the opinion research institute YouGov on behalf of the news agency dpa, 47 percent are in favour of reducing the current 36,000 soldiers. Every fourth person even thinks that the US forces should leave Germany completely. In contrast, not even one in three (32 percent) is in favour of American troops remaining at their current strength (28 percent) or even being increased (4 percent). 21 percent did not make any statements. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 07 21:07:46 2020 Meanwhile, those same polls would probably show that Germans would be happy to station PLA soldiers in Berlin. Your people have lost the plot, Daemon.
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 21:22:23 2020 Daemon, Yes the general public seems ok with it. Just as they seem to critisize the WHO as well ( can we get a poll?) But the Gwrman government, the same people who walked out of the talks. http://www...ump-plan-to-withdraw-us-troops
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 21:30:45 2020 Basically This is how I personally see it. Germany doesnt like the US cutting funding from the WHO. But these are the same ppl that refuse to meet there defense spending targets of 2%. Thing is, they have recently shown initiative to increase it, but not enough to meet there goals on time, figure like a decade late. So they're probably seeing this as a smack in the face since they dont see a problem with them welching on their defense, but even still admitted to ponying up the $, just a decade later. I mean, the US and the EU seem to agree that the WHO is shit, and needs to be reformed. But the US is much more financially active while the EU is mostly verbal.
Daemon rank	Fri Aug 07 21:37:32 2020 "Thing is, they have recently shown initiative to increase it, but not enough to meet there goals on time" With the GDP decrease we may achieve the 2% goal without increasing our defence spending!
Habebe rank	Fri Aug 07 21:40:38 2020 Daemon, Lol, very true. Didnt think about that.
Seb rank	Sat Aug 08 00:21:21 2020 Habebe: Equally until very recently, what is the military threat to Germany that would warrant them spending so much more on defense? Absolutely the US should not be leading the talks. You are leaving the organisation, so why should you have a say in its future? It's not your business anymore. Want to shape a multilateral approach, cancel your hissy fit walkout and pay your dues.
Habebe rank	Sat Aug 08 00:47:41 2020 Seb, What is the US military threat in Europe? They agreed to NATO targets, as you said, pay your dues. As for the WHO until we officially leave we have a say. Now you talk about paying dues and forget that the US has paid more into the WHO than any nation on earth.
obaminated rank	Sat Aug 08 01:43:55 2020 In america leaves the WHO then there is no WHO.
obaminated rank	Sat Aug 08 01:44:03 2020 If*
Dakyron rank	Sat Aug 08 02:46:16 2020 They just need to wait 6 months then talk to Biden.
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