Utopia Talk / Politics / The US and the Uyghur

Paramount Member	Wed Aug 12 11:38:41 Inside the World Uyghur Congress: The US-backed right-wing regime change network seeking the ‘fall of China’ While posing as a grassroots human rights organization, the World Uyghur Congress is a US-funded and directed separatist network that has forged alliances with far-right ethno-nationalist groups. The goal spelled out by its founders is clear: the destabilization of China and regime change in Beijing. It’s a bit long so you will have to read the rest at the link http://the...ime-change-network-fall-china/
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 12 11:46:27 So its the oppositemof the WHO?
Dakyron Member	Wed Aug 12 11:54:19 And... regime change in China is bad?
Paramount Member	Wed Aug 12 12:03:35 The WHO is funded by almost every country, including the US. WUC is funded and backed by the US only. Not sure if they are the opposite of each other. Maybe if you believe that the WHO is working to destabilize the US and change the regime in Washington? Or, if they would be the opposite, then the WHO would be working to strengthen the US (which is the opposite of weakening China) and empower the regime in Washington.
Paramount Member	Wed Aug 12 12:07:09 Is it the US who is deciding what regime countries should have? Remember when the US accused Russia of meddling in the US election. The US got angry and said that Russia has no right to interfere. Lol
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 12:13:22 " While posing as a grassroots human rights organization, the World Uyghur Congress is a US-funded and directed separatist network that has forged alliances with far-right ethno-nationalist groups. The goal spelled out by its founders is clear: the destabilization of China and regime change in Beijing. " >> has been known by everyone except whightie bitches. the sources they provide anyhing ughur related comes from these scumbags and adrian rightwing crazy scumbag. they invade middle east and colonize and kill at will but all of a sudden, chinas reeducation camps r an issue. god forbid a country actually teachin skills, language and jobopportunities for minorities rather than enslavin them. a few weeks ago saw a leaked footage of aussie special forces in afghanistan EXECUTIN some poor afghan in a field. just droppin him. these kind of warcrimes happen in 5 eyes invaded wartorn countries but they have da audacity 2 accuse china.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 12:17:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_uGWap1pA
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 12 12:35:30 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Uyghur_Congress So according to this, they are accused of having ties with Dalai Lama!!!! Now wall me through this, Apparently this group was formed in Germany in 2004 ( April) And yet China has deemed them terrorists since Dec. 2003? Also it says that they are partly* funded by the NED. National Endowment for democracy. What % is partly? How much cash are we talking about? Who are the other funders? Why is it based in Germany if its a US orginization?
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 12:42:04 just 0.00001% funded means it is basically a spy network, u dumbass.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 12:42:34 http://www...n_uyghur_fact_finding_mission/ u lie, u cheat u steal.
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 12 13:05:50 Ajit Singh has abkut the credibility of Alex Jones , which is less than Ted Cruz.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 13:20:07 a redneck has da credibility of a ratta, which is less than toad
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 12 13:47:35 Tc, No one cares what you ate for lunch.
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 12 13:49:15 Anyway, I did a little digging into Ajit. He routinely works for CGTN which is owned by the CCP. So it would be like if the Republican party owned a newspaper.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 14:21:09 ratta, internet has debunked all ur fake news already. ur xposed. _____________ 1. The original “evidence” of 1 million Uyghurs being sent to concentration camps original stems from US propaganda outlets: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/ 2. The Keriya Aitika Mosque that was claimed in 2018 to be demolished is actually still there. They were merely renovating, albeit most buildings surrounding the mosque was replaced with newer/bigger ones as Xinjiang is developing incredibly fast. https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/the-case-of-the-keriya-aitika-mosque-efa29e456339 3. The often used picture of Uyghurs dressed uniformly lined up sitting in a re-education camp actually comes from an early 2017 picture of regular prisoners in Xinjiang listening to a public speech in a regular jail. It wasn't just prisoners who listened to the speech. https://web.archive.org/web/20180820154817/https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1564669932542581&wfr=spider&for=pc (scroll down to the middle to see the picture). 4. The video of a supposed Uyghur being beaten for having a copy of a Quran, was actually an Indonesian police beating a pickpocket. The police was discharged afterwards. https://factcheck.afp.com/no-not-video-chinese-soldier-beating-uighur-muslim-having-copy-koran 5. Some pictures of Uyghurs in Chinese detention camps, including that of a crying child, are pictures edited from protests, people rescued from human trafficking, and Uyghurs protesting outside in 2009 as a result of a riot that killed 156 people. https://factcheck.afp.com/these-photos-show-protests-istanbul-and-xinjiang-and-migrant-shelter-thailand 6. Claim of a Chinese police officer strangling a Uyghur woman caught praying is actually a video of the police officer restraining a violent drunk woman in 2018. https://factcheck.afp.com/video-shows-police-officer-pinning-down-drunk-chinese-woman-his-knee-hotel-shenzhen 7. Picture of “forced labor” of Uyghurs, first published by Forbes, originally came from a factory in 2010 Brazil. Forbes later changed the picture without announcing their error. https://i.redd.it/20mzu89zo1d51.jpg 8. Picture of an “uyghur” with his eyes/mouth/ears sewn shut, is actually a picture of Abas Amini protesting the UK’s treatment of asylum seekers in 2003 https://i.redd.it/9zixb3ukmad51.png http://new...nd/nottinghamshire/2941780.stm 9. Rushan Abbas, who claimed that her sister/friends are locked in Chinese concentration camps, is actually a participator of Guantanamo Bay in 2003 with CIA ties, which has verifiable human rights violations against Muslim prisoners. When confronted she claimed she was only a translator, but also justified Guantanamo Bay. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/ 10. Much of BBC’s visit to a Uyghur re-education center have words mistranslated or taken out of context by BBC in order to fit a certain narrative. Nevertheless, BBC did make a second unannounced “surprise” visit late at night, only to see Uyghurs leaving the center, supposedly for the weekend. https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab 11. Sayragul Sauytbay first claimed that she did not see any violence, only hunger and that they never had any meat. However, later her story changed, claiming that they were forced to eat pork. She also added a new story that she saw police raping prisoners in public, and anyone who showed facial expressions or couldn’t watch was taken away and disappeared. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-everyone-was-silent-endlessly-mute-former-chinese-re-education/ https://www.haaretz.com/amp/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216 12. Adrian Zenz claimed that according to 2015 and 2019’s Health and Hygiene Statistical Yearbook, 80% of all new UIDs in China were performed in Xinjiang. A check of the source (pg 228) shows that it’s actually 8.7% not 80%. UIDs are also reversible and is the preferred method for most people in Xinjiang, while more extreme, non-reversible methods for birth control are relatively more preferred in other areas of China (most notably Henan). https://web.archive.org/web/20200712091001/https://s2.51cto.com/oss/201912/05/1822362d5f7ccc8ff5d87ecdba23e64c.pdf And because bella frances is hijacking the comment section by posting the same thing over and over again, here is the rebuttal to what he is posting over and over again: bella frances gives a good example of how rumors can spread. A Kenyan UN commander was said to have given conflicting orders that caused ineffective UN troop coordination, including ordering the Chinese commander "to retain an explicit and ultimately confusing command link to Sector South headquarters in Tomping, which was physically cut off from the UN House for the duration of the fighting". And this was given as reason by the UN for why the Chinese abandoned defensive positions. Kenya, however, accuse the UNMISS of systematic dysfunctionality. Concurrently the two KIA UN peacekeepers of the incident were Chinese UN troops who were shelled during patrol, along with six others amongst them were injured. Unlike the US-based report, the UN report did not say the Chinese abandonment of their position directly caused the raping/murder of civilians, at most the report said that the Nepalese division failed at keeping the looting in check. Nevertheless, after the Kenyan commander was discharged, Chinese security forces did hold their ground against militants at the same place 1.5 years later, so it's faulty to use one instance to color a large group of people. https://reliefweb.int/report/south-sudan/executive-summary-independent-special-investigation-violence-which-occurred-juba https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2127140/chinese-peacekeepers-tense-stand-armed-militants-south
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 12 14:34:43 You stretched the screen.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 14:42:03 internet debunked ur country. xposed ur country. lol
Rugian Member	Wed Aug 12 14:58:41 OP author (Ajit Singh) seems to be a huge Sinophile...look at his other recent articles: "With US support, Taiwan planted deception about warning World Health Org of Covid" "Hong Kong’s ‘pro-democracy’ movement allies with far-right US politicians that seek to crush Black Lives Matter" "How a Trump media dump mainstreamed Chinese lab coronavirus conspiracy theory" "US pushes conspiracy theory on China’s coronavirus death toll to deflect from Trump administration failures" "‘Forced labor’ stories on China brought to you by US gov, NATO, arms industry to drive Cold War PR blitz" "China detaining millions of Uyghurs? Serious problems with claims by US-backed NGO and far-right researcher ‘led by God’ against Beijing" ---- This guy loves himself some Poohbear honey.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 12 15:14:16 shuddup, ur country has been xposed.
Paramount Member	Wed Aug 12 16:56:29 If he has written that many articles on US/China then it looks like he might be an expert on the subject and that he knows what he is talking about.
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 12 17:16:02 Paramount, By that logic Trump os an expert on everything from windmills, covid and China.
sam adams Member	Wed Aug 12 17:31:48 I support china on this issue. Learn from our mistakes. Certain cultures dont belong.
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