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habebe
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Mon Aug 31 15:14:32
http://www...s/amp_articleshow/77857262.cms

INDIA
Indian Army beats Chinese troops, occupies strategic height near Pangong lake's southern bank: Sources
ANI | Updated: Aug 31, 2020, 23:12 IST

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LEH: In a strategically significant move, the Indian Army has occupied the height on the southern bank of Pangong Tso in Ladakh which will give it an upper hand in the area.
Sources said that on the night of August 29-30, a special operations battalion moved into the area and occupied the heights with Chinese troops barely a few hundred meters away.

"Height occupied by Indian Army troops including a special operations battalion is south of Southern bank of Pangong Tso near Thakung. Height was lying dormant and can give strategic advantage to the side which holds it for controlling the southern bank of lake and areas around it," said sources.
They said the height is in the area under the Indian side of the LAC but the Chinese also claim it to be on their side.

According to the sources, two brigade commander-level meetings have already been held in Chushul/Moldo to resolve the issue but the talks have not yielded any result.
The PLA Western Theater Command had earlier said that Indian troops violated the consensus reached at "multi-level talks" between the two countries.

"Indian troops have violated the consensus reached at the multi-level talks between India and China and again crossed the line of actual control at the border on Monday and purposely launched provocations," PLA Western Theater Command was quoted as saying by China's state-run Global Times.
This came after an Indian Army spokesperson said that India has thwarted an attempt by the Chinese army to transgress into Indian areas near the southern bank of Pangong Tso near Chushul in Ladakh on the intervening night of Saturday and Sunday and talks are being held now to resolve the issue there.

"On the night of August 29/30, PLA troops violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements over the ongoing standoff in Eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo," said Army spokesperson Colonel Aman Anand in a statement.
The Indian Army took measures to strengthen its position and "thwarted Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on the ground".
India and China are engaged in a standoff since April-May over the transgressions by the Chinese army in multiple areas including Finger area, Galwan valley, Hot springs and Kongrung Nala.
While efforts are under way to resolve the ongoing border dispute, India has rejected China's suggestion to disengage equidistantly from the Finger area in
Eastern Ladekh.

TOP COMMENT

Well done Indian Army! Strengthen our hold along Southern bank. Replicate the strategy in all areas wherever possible. Effectively, put the Chinese on the backfoot all along the LAC / Border.
Rugian
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Mon Aug 31 15:16:49
TC will be getting drunk tonight.
habebe
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Mon Aug 31 15:19:21
http://www...uted-ladakh-violence-erupts%2F
habebe
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Mon Aug 31 15:21:26
The Chinese habe also been spotted building heliports and launch pad for cruise missiles along the border.

India sends warships into the South China Sea.

From my current understanding this all went down with the last day or atleast has been reported on in the last day.
The Children
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Mon Aug 31 15:26:01
the text even said that they sneaked in and occupied a camp, which i assume is an empty camp?

so basically they lied about chinese troops crossin and they illegally stole a camp and now try 2 blame china again.

habebe
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Mon Aug 31 15:31:58
Im guessing it was an empty camp. Very little global news coverage with any sort of real detail.
habebe
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Mon Aug 31 15:40:01
all the articles are pretry much duplicates of this one literally changing loke 2 words.
habebe
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Tue Sep 01 11:03:51
http://www...-tso/amp_liveblog/77842421.cms

step by step breakdown of events.

China right now I doubt would want any parts of this....they have so many issues going on with the SCS and Taiwan.

I'm a little shocked they sent troops across the border.
habebe
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Tue Sep 01 12:30:32

The Next Front in the India-China Conflict Could Be a Thai Canal
India is beefing up its island defenses as Beijing seeks a quicker route to the Indian Ocean.
BY SALVATORE BABONES | SEPTEMBER 1, 2020, 8:43 AM
The Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning and other ships sail during a naval drill in the East China Sea in April 2018.
The Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning and other ships sail during a naval drill in the East China Sea in April 2018. -/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES
Forget the new Cold War in the Pacific between the United States and China. There’s a much warmer war already going on between India and China that has killed at least 20 on a disputed border in the high Himalayas. At sea, China is attempting to encircle India with a series of alliances and naval bases evocatively known as the string of pearls. China’s greatest vulnerability in its strategy to dominate the Indian Ocean—and thereby India—is the Malacca Strait, a narrow sea lane separating Singapore and Sumatra, through which so much marine traffic must pass that it’s both a lifeline for China’s seaborne trade and the main path for its navy toward South Asia, and points further west. With regards to China’s rivalry with India—and its strategic ambitions in Africa, the Middle East, the Mediterranean, and beyond—anything that reduces the dependency on one narrow chokepoint between potentially hostile powers is vital.

That’s where the most ambitious of all of Beijing’s regional infrastructure projects—the controversial Belt and Road Initiative—comes in: a long-mooted canal across southern Thailand’s Kra Isthmus, the narrowest point of the Malay peninsula, which would open a second sea route from China to the Indian Ocean. This could allow the Chinese navy to quickly move ships between its newly constructed bases in the South China Sea and the Indian Ocean without diverting more than 700 miles south to round the tip of Malaysia. That would make the Thai canal a crucial strategic asset for China—and a potential noose around Thailand’s narrow southern neck. If Thailand allows China to invest up to $30 billion in digging the canal, it may find that the associated strings are attached forever.

Long controversial, the canal now seems to have gained widespread support among Thailand’s political elite, with a parliamentary committee due to make recommendations on the project this month. Even the historically critical Bangkok Post has editorialized in favor of the canal. Chinese influence operations in Thailand have probably helped shape public opinion. And despite its nominal alliance with the United States, Thailand has tilted strongly toward China ever since the United States refused to recognize a military takeover of the Thai government in 2014.

A Thai canal would fit neatly into Beijing’s plans to encircle India. The Chinese Navy is actively pushing west into the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean, opening an East African logistics base in Djibouti and conducting joint exercises in the region with the navies of Myanmar, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Iran, and even Russia. The plethora of China-sponsored port infrastructure projects throughout the region only add to the impression of encirclement. India has responded by gearing up for potential future confrontations with China at sea. In August, the Hindustan Times reported that India was planning significant upgrades of its air and naval facilities in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, specifically to counter China. An Indian union territory with a population of fewer than half a million, the strategic archipelago intersects the sea lanes leading from the Malacca Strait into the Indian Ocean. They also have the potential to quarantine the proposed Thai canal.
The canal would allow the Chinese navy to quickly move ships to the Indian Ocean without diverting more than 700 miles south to round the tip of Malaysia.

The Malacca Strait has been a key corridor of global commerce for centuries, if not millennia. The Italian adventurer Marco Polo sailed through the strait in 1292 on his way home from the court of Kublai Khan. In the early 1400s, China’s Ming Dynasty admiral Zheng He passed through on his voyages to India, Africa, and the Middle East. Today, more than 80,000 ships a year transit the strait, which is a key corridor bringing oil to East Asia and manufactured goods back out. Modern Singapore’s prosperity has been built on its strategic location at the narrow southeastern end of the strait.

The Thai Canal Association, which is closely linked to the politically powerful Thai army, argues that Thailand could divert some of that prosperity to itself, building industrial parks and logistics hubs at both ends of what could become one of Asia’s major transit arteries. There is some logic to that argument. Although industry experts estimate that the canal would be uneconomical at today’s shipping rates and fuel costs, the current route through the Malacca Strait has almost reached its safe limit in terms of the shipping volume it can handle. Current alternatives to Malacca, like Indonesia’s Sunda Strait, would require east-west cargos to detour even further out of their way.

The current Thai canal proposal, known as the 9A route, would involve two parallel channels—each 30 meters deep, 180 meters wide, and running 75 miles at sea level from Songkhla on the Gulf of Thailand to Krabi in the Andaman Sea.

By embracing the proposed project, however, Thailand risks splitting itself in two. Thailand faces an active insurgency in its three southernmost provinces, which are majority Muslim in religion and majority Malay in ethnicity. The canal could become a symbolic border between “mainland” Thailand in the north and a separatist movement in the south. It wouldn’t hamper the Thai military’s aggressive counterinsurgency campaign, but it would create a divide that could last for centuries. Once the channels have been dug out, they would be impossible to fill in, and if Thailand were ever to break in two, the Thai canal could be the fault along which it cracks.

Thais may recall that Colombia once had a northwestern isthmus called Panama. When Panamanian secessionists revolted in 1903, the U.S. Navy stepped in to ensure the new country’s independence. The United States’ Isthmian Canal Commission moved in one year later, and the Panama Canal finally opened for business in 1914. Panama has been a virtual U.S. protectorate ever since. The Suez Canal, which opened in 1869, was the focus of British and French military intervention as late as 1956. It remained a geopolitical football until 1975, and even today Egypt faces an Islamist insurgency in the Sinai peninsula on the other side of the canal.
It is not inconceivable that China would support an independence movement in Thailand’s south and seize control of the canal, justified by the need to protect its interests.

Today, Thailand’s territorial integrity is relatively secure. But a successful Thai canal project would reconfigure the political geography of Southeast Asia. It would bring in China as a permanent security partner that could not easily be kicked out—just ask Panama. Coupled with planned investments in ports at Sihanoukville in Cambodia and Kyaukpyu in Myanmar, China will see the Thai canal as a strategic waterway connecting its string of pearls. Were a hostile government in Bangkok ever to threaten to cut that string, it is not inconceivable that China would support an independence movement in the south and seize control of the canal in an intervention justified by the need to protect its own interests—again, the creation of Panama is instructive.

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Perhaps getting wise to the canal’s inherent dangers, the Thai Transport Minister Saksayam Chidchob recently said he preferred building rail and highway links across the isthmus instead of a canal. Chidchob said the government has budgeted funds to study the construction of two new seaports—one on each side of the isthmus—as well as a “land bridge” to shuttle goods between them.

A Thai canal would pose little threat to the United States, its allies, or even India, which can effectively (if expensively) counter Chinese expansionism by upgrading its domestic forward bases in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. The real concern is that it would further undermine the independence of poor southeast Asian countries like Myanmar and Cambodia, which have comparatively weak civil societies that are highly vulnerable to Chinese interference. And it absolutely imperils Thailand. The Malacca Strait has been a boon to Singapore only because Singapore has an open economy that is relatively free from foreign influence. Thailand should ponder that lesson before it sticks its neck out for China.

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Dakyron
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Wed Sep 02 14:15:46
If the two countries fought an extended war that killed like 20% of their respective populations, I think the world would probably be better off.

Not going to happen, this is just nonsensical posturing, the two sides are never going to actually start shooting.
Habebe
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Tue Sep 08 10:51:29
http://www...tary-border-moves-firing-shots

New update: Shots fired in the first time in 45 years.

These were watnung shots both claiming it came from the other side and India says that Chinese troops surrounded a base provoctavley.
Habebe
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Tue Sep 08 10:51:42
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