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Rugian
Member Fri Sep 18 12:40:34
You know you're doing badly when you're going with the "get the felons to vote for us" campaign.

"MTV, VH1, Comedy Central unite to pay fees, fines to help formerly incarcerated Floridians vote"

http://the...ay-fees-fines-to-help-formerly

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Sep 18 12:44:33
or one could say Republicans were total assholes in denying them the vote after they've served their time & just not the fines they can't afford

sam adams
Member Fri Sep 18 12:44:57
"Its ok to be a criminal so long as you vote for us"

Thats an interesting take, democrats.

Rugian
Member Fri Sep 18 12:46:44
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Sep 18 12:44:33
"or one could say Republicans were total assholes in denying them the vote after they've served their time & just not the fines they can't afford"

So you also support allowing ex-felons to purchase firearms once they're released? You know, as long as we're going with the whole "they served their time so they're completely redeemed of their previous crimes" angle.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Sep 18 12:52:17
the Floridian people voted to allow felons to get their right to vote back

so Republicans assholes passed a measure to say no vote til they also pay fines

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Sep 18 12:53:27
if the Floridian people vote to allow felons to have guns back then fine

& they probably would as Floridians are crazy

sam adams
Member Fri Sep 18 13:33:43
So why do you think felons should vote before they have repaid their debts to society?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Sep 18 13:43:36
because rich felons get their vote back & poor ones don't

they've still served their prison time either way

the Floridian people voted for it... probably as they are mostly felons or eventual felons

habebe
Member Fri Sep 18 13:50:51
Generally the fines are excessive, but you can also get most of them waived if your PO is cool, if not you really have to work at it and its a coin toss that can piss off your PO.

The PO should not be in charge of debt collection management.

You want to talk greedy? Ive seen guys get charged 2-4k to go in and plead guilty.How the fuck are public servants charging $500/minute? court fees are out of pocket.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Sep 18 13:54:33
order of events:

1)

"
In November 2018, Florida voters passed Amendment 4, a measure that restores voting rights to certain felons (nearly 1.4 million people) once they have served their sentences, including parole and probation. Those convicted of murder and sexual offenses remain unable to vote.
"

clearly indicating the people of Florida wanted non-murder/sex-offense felons to regain voting rights

-------------

2)

"
In March 2019, a state law was passed that limits Amendment 4. That law requires former felons to either pay all fees that they owe as part of their case or get their sentence modified in order to register to vote. At the time of its passing, this law prevented nearly 775,000 felons from voting.
"

so that's a standard Republicans' voter suppression effort

------------------

3)

OP article... people helping do what Floridians voted for & Republican politicians shat on

=======================

http://www...an-felons-vote-in-florida.html

so this is not a case of D's being desperate, it's a case of R's being assholes

habebe
Member Fri Sep 18 13:55:45
Honestly I dont think a crime should be able to take your vote away.

For example lets say you sell drugs on the side. Does anyone say " I would do that but I'm afraid of losing my vote". Not once, ever.

It has no deterence factor at all and it has no redeeming factor, so its just an odd punishment for no reason.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Sep 18 13:56:18
so it's even worse than i originally wrote as it's "fees" not "fines"

habebe
Member Fri Sep 18 13:57:39
Tw, Its likley because these are targeted people who did the description of democratic voters.

You already know what Im going to say next....

habebe
Member Fri Sep 18 13:59:25
tw, Its also almost always higher than they claim. However there are programs to help waive them , but its different county to county.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Fri Sep 18 18:23:14
I'm honestly surprised people like Sam and Rugian for withholding people's rights for mostly pot possession

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Rugian Member	Fri Sep 18 12:40:34 You know you're doing badly when you're going with the "get the felons to vote for us" campaign. "MTV, VH1, Comedy Central unite to pay fees, fines to help formerly incarcerated Floridians vote" http://the...ay-fees-fines-to-help-formerly
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 18 12:44:33 or one could say Republicans were total assholes in denying them the vote after they've served their time & just not the fines they can't afford
sam adams Member	Fri Sep 18 12:44:57 "Its ok to be a criminal so long as you vote for us" Thats an interesting take, democrats.
Rugian Member	Fri Sep 18 12:46:44 tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Sep 18 12:44:33 "or one could say Republicans were total assholes in denying them the vote after they've served their time & just not the fines they can't afford" So you also support allowing ex-felons to purchase firearms once they're released? You know, as long as we're going with the whole "they served their time so they're completely redeemed of their previous crimes" angle.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 18 12:52:17 the Floridian people voted to allow felons to get their right to vote back so Republicans assholes passed a measure to say no vote til they also pay fines
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 18 12:53:27 if the Floridian people vote to allow felons to have guns back then fine & they probably would as Floridians are crazy
sam adams Member	Fri Sep 18 13:33:43 So why do you think felons should vote before they have repaid their debts to society?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 18 13:43:36 because rich felons get their vote back & poor ones don't they've still served their prison time either way the Floridian people voted for it... probably as they are mostly felons or eventual felons
habebe Member	Fri Sep 18 13:50:51 Generally the fines are excessive, but you can also get most of them waived if your PO is cool, if not you really have to work at it and its a coin toss that can piss off your PO. The PO should not be in charge of debt collection management. You want to talk greedy? Ive seen guys get charged 2-4k to go in and plead guilty.How the fuck are public servants charging $500/minute? court fees are out of pocket.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 18 13:54:33 order of events: 1) " In November 2018, Florida voters passed Amendment 4, a measure that restores voting rights to certain felons (nearly 1.4 million people) once they have served their sentences, including parole and probation. Those convicted of murder and sexual offenses remain unable to vote. " clearly indicating the people of Florida wanted non-murder/sex-offense felons to regain voting rights ------------- 2) " In March 2019, a state law was passed that limits Amendment 4. That law requires former felons to either pay all fees that they owe as part of their case or get their sentence modified in order to register to vote. At the time of its passing, this law prevented nearly 775,000 felons from voting. " so that's a standard Republicans' voter suppression effort ------------------ 3) OP article... people helping do what Floridians voted for & Republican politicians shat on ======================= http://www...an-felons-vote-in-florida.html so this is not a case of D's being desperate, it's a case of R's being assholes
habebe Member	Fri Sep 18 13:55:45 Honestly I dont think a crime should be able to take your vote away. For example lets say you sell drugs on the side. Does anyone say " I would do that but I'm afraid of losing my vote". Not once, ever. It has no deterence factor at all and it has no redeeming factor, so its just an odd punishment for no reason.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 18 13:56:18 so it's even worse than i originally wrote as it's "fees" not "fines"
habebe Member	Fri Sep 18 13:57:39 Tw, Its likley because these are targeted people who did the description of democratic voters. You already know what Im going to say next....
habebe Member	Fri Sep 18 13:59:25 tw, Its also almost always higher than they claim. However there are programs to help waive them , but its different county to county.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Sep 18 18:23:14 I'm honestly surprised people like Sam and Rugian for withholding people's rights for mostly pot possession
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