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habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:01:21
So in Wisconsin and PA atleast, the DNC has gone to court to ban Howie Hawkins for running under the Green ticket.

So to all those libs who go and in about how the dems are trying to get more people to vote and how Trump is trying to lower turnout, I was curious on the DNC war against the green party and democratic choice.
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:02:04
http://apnews.com/cbd7947a020a1c5983a69e804ce3a5f8
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:03:09
http://www...rats-green-party-november/amp/

Texas.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 22 18:03:11
he didn't file in time for PA (probably same in Wisconsin)

now defend Kanye & all the R operatives helping him get on ballots as he discusses shoes on twitter
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:04:52
http://www...arty-montana-senate-ballot.amp

Montana
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:07:55
http://www...lot-campaign-will-go-to-court/

Wisconsin
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:11:38
So in Wisconsin they said that since the VP ( Angela Walker) moved within the same city ( coincidently like 15 minutes from me) that the signatures on her petition didnt count even though she followed all the paper work.

This is no less slimy than Trump going to court over when and how to count ballots.
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:20:01
Greens Plan to File Lawsuit to Give Voters a Choice
Syracuse, NY: The ongoing struggle to give voters more choices continues. Yesterday, the Wisconsin Elections Commission in a partisan 3-3 vote refused to put the Green Party presidential ticket of Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker on the ballot.

The Hawkins/Walker campaign promised to file suit to give voters a choice. “Thousands of voters in Wisconsin signed petitions to put us on the ballot. The Democratic Commission members have committed a crime against democracy by suppressing voter choice. If there is any justice left in Wisconsin, the judge will put us on the ballot,” said Howie Hawkins, the Green Party presidential nominee.

“Party suppression is a form of voter suppression. Ballot access laws are used to limit voters’ choices to two candidates from the corporate-financed parties and keep candidates that do not take corporate money off the ballot,” said Howie Hawkins. “Our campaign supports improved Medicare for all and the Green New Deal — these were phrases that no one who spoke at the Democratic Convention even uttered. Joe Biden opposes them. Yet more than 85% of Democrats support these policies. The Democrats do not want competition from a ticket with a popular platform because they want to be able to take progressive voters for granted.”

Andrea Mérida, the Hawkins/Walker campaign manager who argued the case before the Commission, said, “Yesterday’s hearing was a demonstration of how deeply political bigotry has taken hold among the Democrats on the Commission. The campaign disclosed Angela Walker’s change of address within the same city of Florence, South Carolina during the petitioning period, and we followed Commission staff’s procedural instructions to the letter, even when they lurched between three different sets of instructions over two days.”

The Green Party submitted more than enough valid signatures to be on the ballot in Wisconsin. The Commission’s staff said the petition had 3,623 valid signatures, well over the minimum 2,000 signatures required. But the Commissioners divided along partisan lines over counting 1,834 signatures that were signed on petitions with Angela Walker’s former address. Walker moved within Florence, South Carolina during the petition drive and the initial signatures were collected under her old address. Walker’s address was correct the petitions were signed, but the Democratic Party members of the Commission refused to accept those signatures.

The Wisconsin Elections Commission will only count 4,000 signatures so even though the Hawkins/Walker campaign has an additional 2,000 signatures, they were not considered by the Commission.

Mérida described the unfairness of the hearing saying, “The chair of the Commission showed a stunning lack of due process by not allowing us to introduce evidence to refute the cherry-picked staff analysis. It’s time for that six-member, bipartisan commission to be expanded to include independents and third party members. If there was ever a demonstration of the need for proportional representation, this is it.”

Walker, a native of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. said, “The people of Wisconsin have spoken: they want the Green Party on the ballot. They want a choice, and it is time for the Democratic Party to respect that. At a time of heightened dissatisfaction with the two-party system, the Democrats are not doing themselves any favors in denying the opportunity for real democracy to an electorate that is demanding it.”
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 22 18:20:01
Greens Plan to File Lawsuit to Give Voters a Choice
Syracuse, NY: The ongoing struggle to give voters more choices continues. Yesterday, the Wisconsin Elections Commission in a partisan 3-3 vote refused to put the Green Party presidential ticket of Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker on the ballot.

The Hawkins/Walker campaign promised to file suit to give voters a choice. “Thousands of voters in Wisconsin signed petitions to put us on the ballot. The Democratic Commission members have committed a crime against democracy by suppressing voter choice. If there is any justice left in Wisconsin, the judge will put us on the ballot,” said Howie Hawkins, the Green Party presidential nominee.

“Party suppression is a form of voter suppression. Ballot access laws are used to limit voters’ choices to two candidates from the corporate-financed parties and keep candidates that do not take corporate money off the ballot,” said Howie Hawkins. “Our campaign supports improved Medicare for all and the Green New Deal — these were phrases that no one who spoke at the Democratic Convention even uttered. Joe Biden opposes them. Yet more than 85% of Democrats support these policies. The Democrats do not want competition from a ticket with a popular platform because they want to be able to take progressive voters for granted.”

Andrea Mérida, the Hawkins/Walker campaign manager who argued the case before the Commission, said, “Yesterday’s hearing was a demonstration of how deeply political bigotry has taken hold among the Democrats on the Commission. The campaign disclosed Angela Walker’s change of address within the same city of Florence, South Carolina during the petitioning period, and we followed Commission staff’s procedural instructions to the letter, even when they lurched between three different sets of instructions over two days.”

The Green Party submitted more than enough valid signatures to be on the ballot in Wisconsin. The Commission’s staff said the petition had 3,623 valid signatures, well over the minimum 2,000 signatures required. But the Commissioners divided along partisan lines over counting 1,834 signatures that were signed on petitions with Angela Walker’s former address. Walker moved within Florence, South Carolina during the petition drive and the initial signatures were collected under her old address. Walker’s address was correct the petitions were signed, but the Democratic Party members of the Commission refused to accept those signatures.

The Wisconsin Elections Commission will only count 4,000 signatures so even though the Hawkins/Walker campaign has an additional 2,000 signatures, they were not considered by the Commission.

Mérida described the unfairness of the hearing saying, “The chair of the Commission showed a stunning lack of due process by not allowing us to introduce evidence to refute the cherry-picked staff analysis. It’s time for that six-member, bipartisan commission to be expanded to include independents and third party members. If there was ever a demonstration of the need for proportional representation, this is it.”

Walker, a native of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. said, “The people of Wisconsin have spoken: they want the Green Party on the ballot. They want a choice, and it is time for the Democratic Party to respect that. At a time of heightened dissatisfaction with the two-party system, the Democrats are not doing themselves any favors in denying the opportunity for real democracy to an electorate that is demanding it.”
Nekran
Member
Wed Sep 23 01:49:51
That is proper fucked up. The US really needs to get rid of this horrid two party system.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed Sep 23 01:55:59
Ban that communist!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howie_Hawkins

Howard Gresham Hawkins (born December 8, 1952) is an American trade unionist and environmental activist from New York. A co-founder of the Green Party of the United States, Hawkins is the party's presidential nominee in the 2020 presidential election. His primary campaign issues include enacting an eco-socialist version of the Green New Deal, which he first proposed in 2010, and building a viable, independent working-class political and social movement in opposition to the Democratic and Republican parties and capitalism in general.
habebe
Member
Wed Sep 23 05:22:05
Nekran, I did.some digging before out curiosity. Both Dems and Reps have institutional rules that are unique to those parties.

For example if you run as Dem or a Rep in most places signatures and petitions and other barriers to running are waived but all other parties have to.
kargen
Member
Wed Sep 23 14:54:23
Many states have rules in place stating if a political party reaches a certain percentage of a vote in a prior election they don't have to go through all the steps of making the ballot in the next election. It isn't that only the Democrats and Republicans are or can be exempt it is that no other party has qualified for the exemption.

Fine line I know.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Sep 23 15:52:47
"Nekran
Member Wed Sep 23 01:49:51
That is proper fucked up. The US really needs to get rid of this horrid two party system."

Congrarts nekran, you said something intelligen!

Clap clap clap.
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Sep 23 22:17:07
Fucking disgusting tactics here, particularly in Pennsylvania:
"“And the court said, fax is not good enough,” said Larry Otter, the lawyer handling the case for the Green Party. “They need an original.” ... Because the placeholder candidate didn’t properly submit the affidavit, Hawkins’ affidavit is nullified, the majority opinion said."

So they got the document on time, but it was a fax instead of an original, they did not notify the Green Party of the discrepancy (Green Party did not find out until it was too late), and they will likely not accept the original as proof of earlier validity, so voters won't see Green Party on the ballot, and they've started a rush to print ballots so that the prestigious "no-tag-backsies" rule will be in effect if there's an attempt to reverse the decision. This sounds like some Hitchhiker's Guide Vogon/bureaucrat logic.

It is very distressing to see the DNC taking these tactics to suppress voters. Yet — fucked though this may be — the DNC has done a good job keeping most of their base in social media echo chambers¹ where they will either not care about this voter suppression or will say that it's okay because of the standing DNC talking points that third parties cost them the 2016 election [and therefore suppression is justified] and that Trump needs to be defeated at all costs. Add this to the DNC's other talking points (their attempt to pull an Emperor Augustus by expanding or removing the Senate and Supreme Court and their wish to abolish the electoral college), and we start perceiving a schoolyard bully who wants to change the rules to win. Do they think it will help their chances if they publicly/brazenly confirm Trump's "conspiracy theories"? Do they really want to make the mistake of thinking that Green Party voters were "*theirs*" (would-be-DNC voters) as opposed to being solid Green Party voters who will now write-in Howie Hawkins or voters who will now either stay home or vote GOP [perhaps in disgust]? For their sake, I really hope they looked at some solid cross-referenced polling data before making this move (e.g., data that suggested who Green Party voters would vote for in Pennsylvania if Green Party was forcibly removed by the DNC, as opposed to simply asking who their next choice was).

So hopefully this shit gets reversed and Green Party gets on the ballots.

¹(Twitter executives, for example, confirmed on JRE (March 2019, http://youtu.be/DZCBRHOg3PQ?t=5160 ) that most DNC-affiliates on Twitter only follow each other, whereas GOP-affiliates follow each other *and* DNC-affiliates; could this intellectual self-isolation have anything to do with the "[there is no discourse with 'fascists']" talking point?)
habebe
Member
Thu Sep 24 06:43:26
Cherub, I beleive the PA SC decision has been appealed to the SCOTUS.

Do you know the difference between republicans and democrats?

Republicans admit there.politicians are scumbag, Democrats havmt figured it out yet.
Habebe
Member
Thu Sep 24 08:39:27
Kargen , In SC when you file to run for in state representatives it specifically mentiins democrat and republican in the rules.

Now that may be because they won enough support prior, IDK.
habebe
Member
Sat Sep 26 02:36:11
http://youtu.be/Jw4sOLfeHng

Its a shame the mainstream media ( even conservative) has hardly mentioned this.

The hill is the only one ive seen do a full price on it.
habebe
Member
Sat Sep 26 02:46:17
http://youtu.be/t6Nr8xSggwQ

this one is long but he first 5 minutes the situation is explained by Howie Hawkins himself.
Cherub Cow
Member
Sat Sep 26 09:04:54
That Hawkins interview was good. Wasn't sure I'd stick with it past the opening 12 minutes of suppression talk.

Good to hear Hawkins mention a similar point to one I made before: the Green Party votes do not belong to the DNC, and many Green Party voters have been disgusted with DNC politics (and many more would be disgusted by the DNC's voter suppression tactics). He mentions that more than 60% of Green Party voters won't bother to vote if deprived of the Green Party. Only about 20% would change votes to Biden if deprived of the choice. I'd be interested to see where he got those numbers, though.

Hawkins' address of Ben Shapiro's comments didn't sound too impressive. He *wanted* to disagree, but he basically *agreed* with Shapiro's premise that California's mismanagement of fire preparation contributed to their wild fires, he just thinks that it was *also* the 3° temperature increase (no mention of which was more of a contributor). He mostly just deferred to "the scientists" (not specific). It would be nice to hear a more technical debate from him.

..
From the Hill video:
4:00 "The people who have been melting down about Trump's comments on mail-in balloting and moralizing all day and night about the sanctity of the election are actively impeding a key swing state's ability to certify their ballots and get them in the mail to voters."
5:25 "Democrats are trying to take the moralizing route, publicly carping with justification about the importance of mail-in balloting and trashing Trump for his outrageous insinuation that these ballots will be rigged and tampered with, yet here they are, for all their moralizing, putting their vendetta against the Green Party — and their authoritarian obsession with making sure voters have no other choice — above a smooth and non-chaotic election night."

Yup. The DNC really could have gone for a good-guy image here, but now they seem like vindictive corporation backers. Like she says, "doubling down" on 2016 tactics.
Habebe
Member
Sat Sep 26 09:55:10
Cherub, Exactly my point. Not that Trumps hands are clean, but that both sides are grimly with voter suppressiin and ballot manipulation.
Rugian
Member
Sat Sep 26 09:58:24
At the very least, it proves that the constant Democratic cries of "voter suppression" are purely politically motivated - they don't actually care about the issue, but they think it will get them more votes.

As soon as "voter suppression" stands to benefit them though...they don't hesisate.
Cherub Cow
Member
Sat Sep 26 21:26:43
"At the very least, it proves that the constant Democratic cries of "voter suppression" are purely politically motivated - they don't actually care about the issue, but they think it will get them more votes."

Yup :/
Cow tailing for BLM votes or using CNN to platform third parties as Russian plants is bad enough, but actively undermining the electoral process for an advantage.. not exactly inspiring.
Habebe
Member
Sat Sep 26 21:28:34
Speaking of BLM did you see the founder of the Atlanta branch is in jail? Apparently 200k of money to help racial justice went into his pocket....hes like an albino African to boot.
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