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habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 14:08:32
Tonight at 9:00 pm

We can start with predictions and follow through when it airs.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 14:19:21
Trump puts Beau Biden's dug up corpse in audience
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 14:29:40
A egomaniacal madman who thinks his incoherent ramblings about injecting bleach and taking dementia tests make him sound like an unparalleled genius

Vs

A senile racist geriatric who has spent the last year in his basement and refuses to take a drug test (I WONDER WHY?!!)

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Itll be entertaining at least.
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 14:35:50
I just dont see this being the absolute knockout that Trump thinks it'll be. Hes done minimal debate prep and has already performed poorly in multiple adversarial interviews this year.

Who knows though. Maybe Biden has an Alzheimers moment and starts ranting about how he doesnt want Beau to grow up in an interracial jungle.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 14:39:12
it may not be too adversarial, i don't think Wallace plans to fact-check (allegedly not the role of a moderator) & don't think Biden plans to do too much either (not that cultists would believe him)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 14:42:51
questions that would ruin Trump:

- explain what protecting patients with pre-existing conditions means & how Obamacare does so

- name something in the Iran deal besides his typical 'we gave them $150 billion & we got nothing'

- name your grandchildren


would require many 'shut the fuck up & answer the question's as he would be unable to answer & would just spew typical rambling nonsense
Paramount
Member
Tue Sep 29 15:00:06
So it is gonna be an hour of Live Bullying TV?
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 15:00:09
Questions that would ruin Biden

-Where are you?
-Who is your wife?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 15:00:43
mine were serious
Paramount
Member
Tue Sep 29 15:10:11
”We can start with predictions”

I predict that Biden will have some surprise cards in his sleeve. He is gonna throw them at Trump who will then get caught off guard, be very embarrased, start to stutter, and then get angry because he stuttered, and then attack Biden because of it by saying that Biden is a terrorist because he supports Antifa and founded ISIS.
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 15:11:22
These are literally things he has gotten wrong.

Anyome who thinks Biden will actually be running the administration anything more than a figure head is delusional.
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 15:15:37
I predict Biden will try to hammer Trump on Covid, make a joke about how well he spoke since he shouldnt be able to.

Trump will call him Beijing Biden tout the economy.

Most people still trust Trump in economic issues.
Paramount
Member
Tue Sep 29 15:24:43
Biden will then challenge Trump in a fist fight. Trump, confident that he will win, smiles at the audience and tells ’a joke’ as Biden rushes forward and stabbs Trump with a needle. The TV cameras zooms into Trump’s face. There is a clear expression of shock and sadness in his face as he falls down on the floor with the blood squirting from his throat. Not sure what will happen after that. Maybe people will applaude and yell USA!
Pillz
Member
Tue Sep 29 16:29:28
Just here to say tw is retarded.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 17:25:50
^quality argument

as for predictions:

fucking moron: "i banned travel from China, very early, and Europe. we saved _millllions_ of lives. everyone who needed a ventilator got one. the cupboards were bare."
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 17:49:43
Predictions

-Biden makes a huge ass of himself, but suddenly keels over and dies halfway through

-Kamala gets a huge boost of sympathy votes and wins the election, waiting until she's secured an EC victory to announce that shes nominating Hillary as her veep

-The autopsy report is "accidentally" destroyed

-Ivanka wins the 2024 election from her jail cell, because you're fucking delusional if you think a Dem victory this year will do anything to solve the polarization of America
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:02:35
LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:08:06
Biden wins the tie fight, it is a little distracted.
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:09:43
Oh god

Trump is already rambling

And Biden is already stumbling
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:11:48
Oh look...Biden's handlers trained him to intervene
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:13:18
lol. Five minutes in, and this thing has already completely disintegrated.

I love this.
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:14:55
Trump is already moderating...hahahaha
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:17:40
Joe Rogan should have moderated this.
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:18:20
"Please let him speak, mr president"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 20:18:35
so after 5 years Trump still doesn't know what it means to have a plan on healthcare...
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:20:00
Ten minutes in, and this easily the most entertaining debate I've ever watched.
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:26:53
Biden claiming that Trump shut down the economy

Absolutely fucking false
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 20:28:38
how is Biden not noting Trump has treated the virus as over since May, and his no precaution rallies, and no briefings with experts... Trumps done nothing for months to help only harm... banking entirely on vaccines
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 20:32:12
Trump just said he closed the economy, so not false I guess
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:33:42
He literally didn't. What is actually wrong with you?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 20:37:39
well Trump still doubting masks (and lying about them)... so all those shit adults around him claiming he's all for masks need to resign and apologize
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 20:38:20
he said he did...
In fact he said it again as I'm typing this
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 20:41:28
He said the US closed the economy. Not him.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 20:44:42
I'lll get the quote later, he 100% took credit (and has before too)
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:00:06
These debates are more boring than I'd hope.
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:02:45
Okay so Chris Wallace is a total cuck:

"What is so radical about racial sensitivity training?"

This shit is literally "white people, feel guilty about the color of your skin" idiocy. If Wallace feels otherwise, he needs to resign from his position ASAP.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:03:32
that means Trump is losing, being entertaining to his cultists is all he has
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:05:15
I will say no one will be swayed either way by this.
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:11:41
Biden just blinked. He couldnt answer a clear question from Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:14:19
Trump needs a babysitter as well as moderator
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:15:11
He is intentionally trying to trip him up. It has worked somewhat.
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:24:00
Biden was looking good....until he looked lost.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:30:00
I assume since Wallace has to scold lil boy Trump constantly he will be labeled pro-Biden

just like media is so biased as they always talk about Trumps steady stream of lies
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:30:17
And he went on a minute long rant about how good the hreen new deal was, then said he didnt support it that he supports the the Biden plan...whatever that was.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:33:16
his plan is not the Green New Deal

so Trump still lying about unsolicited ballots going out everywhere

not that he knows any factual info
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:38:40
so Trump again avoids urging his cultists not to be violent and avoids pledging not to declare victory til certified

as he definitely plans to declare victory election night (and is cool with violence by his people)
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:39:45
Biden did tout the green new deal.

Now he may have misspoke, but he did say it tonight.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:41:01
apparently Trump feels whether or not Hunter Biden got money from Moscow was the most pressing issue to America as it was his most repeated comment
(and I'll assume the sourcing on the claim isn't too solid)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:42:11
Trump kept saying Bidens plan was the Green New Deal and Biden messed up by using the term
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:48:19
I think a collage of Bidens brain farts will be used against him, as it should.

Biden did best when he was calm and clear.

Same for Trump.

Mostly incoherent though.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:50:07
Rick Santorum isn't enthusiastic about Trumps performance so that's a good sign

not that the Trump propaganda lineup on Fox will have issues
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 21:52:23
Trumps only message to white supremacists and Proud Boys was to "stand back & standby" (when asked to condemn/discourage them)

he simply can't say anything negative to those who like him
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 29 21:56:44
UNMITIGATED TRUMP VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!

tw is surely swallowing a shotgun right now

White House, Senate AND House after tonight? I think so, quite frankly!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 22:06:23
I predict Trump will win the Breitbart online poll and Trump will tweet it

(he still thinks online polls are people calling in, btw, he said it again in last few days)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 22:09:32
Santorum just said Trump won't claim fraud in PA mail voting (since its only solicited ballots here, and Trump has been saying that's fine)... Santorum is an idiot
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 22:15:45
seems Proud Boys have embraced Trumps marching orders
http://pbs...U8AAq8LS?format=jpg&name=large

gun buying will probably spike tomorrow
Y2A
Member
Tue Sep 29 22:17:12
complete waste of time.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 22:57:33
"Donald Trump just had the greatest presidential debate performance in American history. #MAGA"
~ Jason "disgusting person" Miller... he's on the Trump campaign if you couldn't tell

pretty sure that ridiculous comment went out as a text to his supporters too

I can see why so many supporters are embarrassed to admit they support him...
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 23:16:13
I wonder if Tom Selleck would run.
Habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 23:17:53
Honestly that whole debate still has me frazzled, I'm going to watch a documentary and fall asleep. Need to decompress, wish I had weed.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 23:20:44
Scott Jennings not impressed by Trumps performance either (Santorum and Jennings are the biggest Trumpers on CNN, so suggests non-total-cultists will have noticed Trump was pure shit)

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 29 23:23:35
on the white supremacists / violence question

Jennings: "Trump has to clean this up... there is a clear right answer..."

Trump isn't good on giving clear right answers

and Santorum called it a tough question by Wallace as Wallace knows Trump can't criticize people who like him

yeah, let's pretend that's mentally fit behavior...
habebe
Member
Tue Sep 29 23:52:23
The biggest trumpers on CNN...

I know Santorum though. I voted for him his first election.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 00:07:30
here's the Santorum comment:

http://twitter.com/alexnazaryan/status/1311141072605794309

(the #2 part not included in clip was about waiting for election results & accepting them)

2 simple things to answer for anyone... except the mentally-ill child, & apparently that's understandable to Santorum
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 30 00:08:36
"on the white supremacists / violence question"

Wallacecuck screwed up the question by including militias, and by blaming Kenosha on them.

Trump asked them to clarify groups, and they refused.

Boohoo
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 00:21:15
however you slice it the groups were encouraged by his answer... as happens a lot (& as even Santorum is fully aware... no matter how terrible you are, Trump will like you if you like him)


...& our country doesn't operate w/ independent militia vigilantism, so the Kenosha militia should've been discouraged
habebe
Member
Wed Sep 30 00:40:40
I watched it on ABC with Chris Christie. Who coached Trump for the Debate, he said he was too hot.
habebe
Member
Wed Sep 30 00:41:02
Pretty sure he was coming on to him.
habebe
Member
Wed Sep 30 00:43:38
Jor Rogan, with the ability to shut off and on the mics is needed.
Paramount
Member
Wed Sep 30 00:54:56
So who won the debate? Do you nominate a debate winner in the US?

Did this debate help you to decide who to vote for?
Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed Sep 30 00:59:10
I polled my neighbor and the result is 100% say that Trump won the debate.
jergul
large member
Wed Sep 30 01:07:33
Biden is polling better than trump. The takeaway has to be that slow joe is debunked and trump did nothing to break Biden's lead in the polls overall.

Trump needs something to change or he will lose.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Sep 30 01:07:54
What I saw looked to be an incoherent, embarrassing mess for both sides. The US may be circling the drain faster than Rugian's mental stability.
Y2A
Member
Wed Sep 30 01:15:24
"for both sides"

looks like the clown got the desired result.
Y2A
Member
Wed Sep 30 01:18:01
*looks like the clown's temper tantrum got the desired result.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 30 01:28:16
"however you slice it the groups were encouraged by his answer..."

Which group? The Proud Boys? Who gives a shit?

In any case, they're not the white supremacists Wallace was pretending to ask about.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 30 01:29:07
"our country doesn't operate w/ independent militia vigilantism"

It does, however, operate on self-defense.
habebe
Member
Wed Sep 30 01:37:55
No we don't officially name a wjnner of the Debate.

Woo was right when he said incoherence all around. Literally 1/3 of the Debate they were both yelling ya the same time.

Biden definitley had several senior moments though.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 01:51:51
again w/ the equivalence? obviously Trump was the primary cause of the shit show

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and why wouldn't Proud Boys be a group Wallace was talking about?

they've been in the news causing trouble multiple times

even Trump was aware of them
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 30 02:28:08
Trump was completely unhinged. Embarassing.
habebe
Member
Wed Sep 30 02:29:37
No, I'll admit Trump spoke over Biden more often.

The thing is you wont admit the hypocrist and gas lighting of the left.

IE " Trump won't support a peaceful transfer"

When they say nothing about Bidens comments.

Both basically said the dame thing which is that they will accwpt a fair election BUT leave open the possibility of legal action.

Really Biden is the only one who has threatened to take the office by military force. No one bats an eye in the media though.

Or how the DNC/Biden have effectivley canceled the vote of 3% of the country, especially in battleground states.

Even the RNC isnt waging a war against the Libertarians.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 02:54:32
so you feel no reason to believe Trump won't accept the results if he loses?

him saying the election is rigged every day for months is nothing? & misrepresenting or flat out lying about incidents (like Trump 'poll watchers' being kicked out of a polling place in Philly... there are no polling places currently open in PA)

& no reason to expect violence? (even though he NEVER discourages it from his own people, in fact encourages it & even celebrates it... like police hitting reporters, or that R candidate who attacked a reporter)


& Biden didn't say he'd take the office by force (that was if Trump becomes a squatter)


if Green Party candidates did the process right, they wouldn't get kicked off ballots & what about Kanye's completely fake campaign where R's are helping him get on numerous ballots?
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 30 02:56:25
"and why wouldn't Proud Boys be a group Wallace was talking about?"

Media outlets, and leftist faggots, are specifically excluding Wallace' inclusion of "militia" groups and the qualifiers on his question.

Wallace, faggot that he is, also blamed Kenosha and Portland on these groups, like Patriot Prayer dude somehow earned getting shot in the chest for wearing the wrong red hat

In any case, Proud Boys aren't the evil white nationalist group that people are pretending Trump gave a pass to.

"Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism"

http://officialproudboys.com/proud-boys/whoaretheproudboys/

"they've been in the news causing trouble multiple times"

They've been in the news for beating up leftist faggots who instigated fights by stealing shit
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 30 02:58:14
Foreskin is a Proud Boy. ROFLMAO
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 03:01:10
from an article on the PA poll watcher nonsense:
"
...
But there were several reasons why elections staff did not allow members of the public to arbitrarily enter their offices. The Trump campaign has no poll watchers approved to work in Philadelphia at the moment. There are no actual polling places open in the city right now. And elections officials are following coronavirus safety regulations, such as those limiting the number of people indoors.

It’s true that voters were casting ballots Tuesday, but the locations where they were doing so are satellite elections offices where mail ballots can be requested, completed, and submitted. Poll watchers don’t have the same rights at such locations as they do at traditional polling places on Election Day, officials said.
...
"

http://www...hia-early-voting-20200929.html

bringing up another issue... just like on double-voting, the fucking moron tonight encouraging more dumb behavior telling his fans to just show up at polling places and watch for fraud as if that would work well... & no talk of actually registering to be a poll watcher
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 03:07:14
Trump specifically name-checked Proud Boys for his answer, so doesn't really matter what Wallace meant

although, to me, seemed clear Wallace was talking basically any right-wing group who goes out looking for trouble
habebe
Member
Wed Sep 30 03:25:55
"so you feel no reason to believe Trump won't accept the results if he loses?"

BOTH sides have said they will challenge the results. Your blind to see otherwise.

As for the violence , ts a little absurd to claim violence on Trump supporters when its Biden's people burning cities down.

"if Green Party candidates did the process right, they wouldn't get kicked off ballots & what about Kanye's completely fake campaign where R's are helping him get on numerous ballots?"

First off if you read the actual incidents you will see the green party DID follow the rules.

2dly, The same argument can be made for mail in votes coming in late, well, due to a technicality blah blah.

3rd, Im not denying that Trump is doing some very undemocratic shit. He should be helping thw ballots to be safer instead of just blanketly attacking them.

**Two things can be wrong at the same time.**

Your refusal to admit any* wrong doing in the dems is telling.
www.yeswecansong.com
Member
Wed Sep 30 03:31:58
http://twitter.com/SheriffReese/status/1311125507757416449

In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the “Portland Sheriff” supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 30 06:48:37
"although, to me, seemed clear Wallace was talking basically any right-wing group who goes out looking for trouble"

Which a) isn't the same as WN, and convolutes the question, and b) was still disengenuous about his assigning of blame
Rugian
Member
Wed Sep 30 07:34:54
"People close to the president said he was jubilant upon exiting the stage, and many in his inner circle were thrilled with his performance."

http://www...-biden-skip-next-debate-423484

My boy absolutely crushed that shit. Yeah YEAH
jergul
large member
Wed Sep 30 09:34:29
Biden raised 3.8 million in direct donations in the first hour of the debate. How much did your boy raise?
jergul
large member
Wed Sep 30 09:34:49
A record shattering 3.8 million*
Rugian
Member
Wed Sep 30 10:01:11
So one dollar for every illegal immigrant that voted in 2016. Big deal.
renzo marQuez
Member
Wed Sep 30 10:21:23
jergul
large member Wed Sep 30 09:34:29
"Biden raised 3.8 million in direct donations in the first hour of the debate. How much did your boy raise?"

Wall Street do be lovin Biden. Indicates that:
(1) they do not fear his or KKKopmala's policies (nor should they); and
(2) they expect Biden to win.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 11:54:33
"BOTH sides have said they will challenge the results. Your blind to see otherwise. "

you are a psycho if you think they've been equivalent... pure psycho

+ Biden did say he'd accept them right in that debate, & not sure he ever did otherwise... hopefully you aren't still talking about -Hillary- saying he shouldn't concede -on- election night

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"Biden's people burning cities down. "

show me a rioter wearing or carrying Biden signs

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"The same argument can be made for mail in votes coming in late"

no, it can't... if a state allows ballots post-marked by election day, that's the rule... (& if it doesn't get post-marked that's the fault of the post office, for the likely very rare ballot coming in without one)

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"He should be helping thw ballots to be safer instead of just blanketly attacking them. "

abso-fucking-lutely... what he is doing is ridiculously unfit (just like on masks & so many other things... actively harmful when he -SHOULD- be actively helpful, as would ANY other president)

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"Your refusal to admit any* wrong doing in the dems is telling. "

because one side is WAYYYYYY worse than the other (the one undermining faith in the election EVERY DAY), and most of the things you're citing about D's aren't accurate
renzo marQuez
Member
Wed Sep 30 11:58:17
tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 11:54:33
"because one side is WAYYYYYY worse than the other (the one undermining faith in the election EVERY DAY),"

Correct. The Democrats have been undermining faith in our electoral system for almost 4 straight years. Russia Russia Russia!
Rugian
Member
Wed Sep 30 12:04:02
Tw literally puts Trump's "president" title in quotes because he wants to convey that Trump isnt a legitimate president. But sure, let's have him lecture us in how potus is the one undermining the public's faith in the process.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 12:06:36
remember when Trump was curiously 100% pro-Russia all campaign long (& to the present)... and even when leading in polls, the other candidates didn't join him (so not like it was driven by the voters)

remember when Trump said he had nothing to do w/ Russia

remember when Trump didn't ever mention he had a Moscow tower project in the works (w/ paperwork w/ his signature on it)

remember when Don Jr got an email saying the Russian gov't wants to help Trump win & has info for them & Jr was thrilled & set up a meeting w/ all the top members of campaign

remember when Flynn was telling the Russians to ignore Obama's actions against them as a friendly regime coming in

remember multiple other contacts by Trump campaign staff w/ Russians

remember when EVERY report so far said it was a legitimately started investigation (which was NOT based on Steele dossier AT ALL, if you are under Fox News version of events)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 30 12:07:23
i put 'president' in quotes as he doesn't do the job

just like his 'briefings' aren't briefings
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Sep 30 12:08:07
Giant Meteor 2020 is the only solution.
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