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renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 06:58:10
http://twitter.com/2LarryJohnson7/status/1311272611633147904

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 13:13:50
they mean wearing a mask at that moment for camera when far apart from everyone

encouraging masks is what politicians -should- do (& pretty much all do except Trump & his most loyal followers)

even evil Mitch encourages them

if Trump had encouraged them throughout, we would have far less spread, far less death, far less closures, far less problems across the board

Trump = failure (& not learning from his mistakes at all)

Rugian
Member Wed Sep 30 13:39:37
I like how tw always insists that if Trump were to don a mask, then the 45% of the country that werent doing so would instantaneously pick up the habit.

The reality is the complete opposite. Trump isnt the head of his own personality cult; instead hes a personification of a certain way of thinking that's prevalent in many areas of the country, particularly among conservatives.

Masks are stupid and an infringement on our liberties. I wouldnt wear one outdoors whether Trump said to or not. I dont take orders from him; I just support his stance.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 13:41:34
Trump is definitely the head of his own personality cult

his cultists repeat the shit he says verbatim (including some of you people)

Rugian
Member Wed Sep 30 13:51:23
What do you mean you people?

And what do you call it when you just repeat CNN talking points all day? How is that not "cult like?"

I'm afraid to ask what Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper demand in sacrifices from their followers (butt stuff probably).

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 13:57:05
Trump claimed the CDC director mispoke about mask usefulness... the CDC director has not changed his recommendation

the Surgeon General is constantly urging masks (not that anyone pays attention to him)

the adults around Trump claim he encourages them (with his eyes, i guess?)

at debate Biden noted the reports about how many lives would be saved if everyone wore masks & Trump said that others have said the opposite (yeah, show me that report where masks kill heaps of people... fucking idiotic)

plus he claimed Fauci said masks were bad... Fauci never said masks were bad, the only concern was the supply drying up so first responders wouldn't be able to get them (& initial doubt about how useful they were & concern of people touching face outweighing the benefit)... but that ended A LONG TIME ago... -only- Trump keeps up the anti-mask rhetoric

then there's fucking moron's Tulsa rally (indoor, actively discouraging distancing, & NO mask encouraging)... at his more recent events they have someone w/ no connection to Trump urge masks over the loudspeaker (who then gets booed)

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 13:58:41
i'm not repeating CNN talking points all day long, much of my comments come straight from fucking moron's tweets or 'briefing' comments

how often can -you- quote Trump to show he's a fit leader?

renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 14:21:10
If Trump asked people to wear masks in March, tw would have called him a fascist for it because that's what the corporate press brainwashers would have been putting out.

obaminated
Member Wed Sep 30 14:46:39
Lol. Tw is shown direct evidence of liberal politicians doing political theater and he immediately defends them. Zero doubt

obaminated
Member Wed Sep 30 14:49:48
You are the definition of a useful idiot, tw.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 15:30:44
"If Trump asked people to wear masks in March, tw would have called him a fascist for it because that's what the corporate press brainwashers would have been putting out."

false... i would've complained about other shit he was doing... he provides plenty to work with

----

Trump fits the 'useful idiot' definition precisely... and 'demagogue'... and 'malignant narcissist'

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 15:33:57
does it makes sense for the President to oppose the CDC's medical advice? (based on nothing, and while known to be a continually uninformed idiot)

ridiculously unfit

renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 15:56:13
Would it have made sense to oppose the globalist medical industrial complex when it was saying that people didn't need to wear masks and that there was no need for border lockdowns?

habebe
Member Wed Sep 30 17:03:05
http://youtu.be/oPFsNtxH7FA

A funny but accurate portrayal of US politics.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 17:27:58
the only time they said you didn't need a mask was early on

because a) fear of shortages for most important people to have them & b) there wasn't knowledge of the asymptomatic spread

there has been no one (but Trump) continuing the message since ~April

& what's most embarrassing is it's not like his team backs him up, they just pretend he supports masks

but he CLEARLY does not, the NEVER encouraging them & frequently doubting them clued me in... plus right in debate Biden noted the study that masks would save X lives, then Trump said ("& some say the opposite" ... that is a LIE and is CLEAR discouragement & he also said Fauci said they were bad (which never happened, but just him reaching back in the vicinity of what was said in Feb/Mar)

and most ridiculously, it's for NO purpose... who the fuck benefits from that message?

habebe
Member Wed Sep 30 17:30:08
"because a) fear of shortages for most important people to have them "

So they lied.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 17:40:47
"So they lied"

no, they specified that at the time

now if Trump wasn't a fucking moron, he -could- make the argument about personal responsibility & letting people decide for themselves (which Rugian probably thinks is his position)... but nope, just full retard anti-science lies is what we get from him as usual

(plus the problem w/ personal responsibility, etc is you're putting others at risk)

Trump has made the situation worse & continues to make it worse... & the idiot cultists can't even see it... (yes, i know not every single person would listen to Trump, but i do know it would have an effect... it's quite crystal clear obvious he influences the views of the idiot cultists)

now he's got everyone believing perfect vaccines about to roll out... which they won't... so more reason for bad behavior (possibly why Florida is saying fuck it & doing nothing now... w/ its Trump ball-licker governor)

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 17:45:46
& if that OP tweet spreads amongst the trumposphere such that he sees it, he will likely retweet it

happy to spread the misleading intent

renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 18:11:58
tw,

Not true. They were saying that face coverings do not work. And opposing border controls.

renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 18:34:59
But it's all Drumpf's fault...

http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1311400442996363264

The New York Times
@nytimes
The World Health Organization has long encouraged mass tourism and said closing borders wouldn’t stop the spread of Covid-19. A New York Times investigation found this policy was never based on science, but instead on politics and economics.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 19:41:43
"Not true. They were saying that face coverings do not work. And opposing border controls."

Any discouragement ended many months ago (except by Trump... who now has a radiologist as his go to pandemic expert... and even that guy is one of the adults claiming Trump encourages masks)

Do you think it's some trick? To what end, and why is it worldwide?

Habebe
Member Wed Sep 30 19:56:10
At the very least most experts early on discouraged masks and downplayed their effectiveness to control the spread.

Perhaps to not spread panic?sound familiar?

Habebe
Member Wed Sep 30 19:58:39
As for border bans, it was primarily Biden who was against them calling them xenophobic.

renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 20:00:50
tw, the point is that the medical establishment was wrong about almost everything important. My comment was a response to this:

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 15:33:57
"does it makes sense for the President to oppose the CDC's medical advice?"

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 20:12:25
"Perhaps to not spread panic?sound familiar?"

that would be retarded... hide the best known preventative measure to not cause panic?

asymptomatic spread was not known, so it was primarily only considered useful vs coughing and the like

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and it's Trump continuing now to oppose CDC with all that's been learned... and based on NOTHING... and for NO reason and is definitely harmful to anyone's goals

masks being political is ridiculous, and entirely caused by Trump

at debate, Bidens audience all or nearly all mask-wearing, Trumps side the reverse (with the venue policy to wear one)

don't tell me Trump is having no effect

kargen
Member Wed Sep 30 20:21:45
"no, they specified that at the time"

That wouldn't be your response if President Trump had done the same. Yu would be claiming treason at the very least. Probably you would mention Hitler and death camps somewhere along the way.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 20:35:03
excellent argument, nonsense predictions about what I'd have done

how about defending what Trump is doing? as that actually matters... a lot

who in his administration is joining his view? they have to lie about his position, that's how pathetic it is... it's absolutely retarded and unacceptable

renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 20:37:22
The CDC has no credibility. Trump's biggest mistake was not firing Fauci and the Surgeon General when it became clear that they had lied to the people.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 20:51:08
so everyone else is wrong and Trump is right?
(including around the world)

renzo marQuez
Member Wed Sep 30 20:52:29
If you're asking if the WHO was wrong for opposing masks and border controls, the answer is yes. Unequivocally.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 20:52:38
and including Trumps hand-picked radiologist pandemic adviser... who got the job by appearing on Fox

...everything about this admin is ridiculous

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Sep 30 20:55:03
I'm referring to Trump actively discouraging masks last night on the super high ratings* debate (*as Trump has tweeted)

In contradiction to basically everyone and using lies for his argument

Is that ok? Just normal presidential behavior?

obaminated
Member Thu Oct 01 01:54:35
Tw, there is a reason why everyone thinks you are a useful idiot. No one ever agrees with you. Why is that?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Oct 01 02:20:42
probably because my arguments are completely solid so no need for anyone to add anything

it's self-evident to most that Trump is an unfit idiot fraud (even Rugian knows it, just doesn't like the alternative)

just you & kargen (& habebe to a lesser degree) are the deluded fools

habebe
Member Thu Oct 01 02:40:20
as shucks, Im less of a fool...lol.

My position on Trump is fairly clear, he is an unapologetic asshole, that's a big selling point to me. I like nice guys, but its not a quality I require in my leaders.

I find TW blinded by his insatiable hatred of all things Trump so much that he overlooks how shitty the DNC is, or anyone else not Trump for that matter.

habebe
Member Thu Oct 01 02:47:24
I mean its literally like Captain Ahab/Inspector Javert.

I've never met anyone else so obsessed with hatred for Trump, a d thats really saying something.

Its a shame, he isnt stupid or lazy. But he is obsessed.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Oct 01 12:05:25
why is a radiologist off Fox News Trump's top advisor on a pandemic?

why does -every- person who has briefed Trump say the same things? (he's unprepared, no attention span) and never absorbs any information

why does he watch hours of Fox everyday & think it works as a better information source than everyone in gov't? (he prefers it as it's entertaining... they are entertainment shows, & they praise him constantly)

read the 2 ukraine phone calls... NO preparation, no substance at all

he has so many problems... so clearly a total shit 'president'... he continued his rallies right after being elected, he has never left campaign mode, he just likes being cheered at, complaining about outrage stories he hears on Fox (& usually inaccurately), golfing, watching Fox people praise him... and absolutely NOTHING he says can be believed

he falsely smears everyone & organization that hinders him or points out his lies & incompetence... and will completely destroy the country if not re-elected (after completely ruining faith in the election just because he's losing or to need an excuse for losing)

there is no work being done... he knew NOTHING about the 'peace' deals... he never knows anything about anything... his virus info when not read off notes is just made-up shit... he's lying about vaccines just like everything else

he tells you things are great over and over to just make you believe it's true (perception is reality) they were sending out Trump had greatest debate in history immediately after debate... was that accurate to you? he's claiming "I won the debate big, based on compilation of polls etc. Thank you!"... citing nothing... do you think that's based on anything?

he's a 100% fraud, who does fuck all as 'president'

you think he's hard on China (even though he has praised them more than any president ever)... well, nothing has been achieved yet

and allegedly being tough on China isn't everything

yet you see equivalence in all of it...

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Oct 01 12:19:55
debate segment on masks:

Biden: Well, masks make a big difference. His own head of the CDC said if we just wore masks between now, if everybody wore a mask and social distanced between now and January, we’d probably save up to 100,000 lives. It matters. It matters.

fucking moron: And they’ve also said the opposite. They’ve also said-

Biden: No serious person has said the opposite. No serious person.

Chris Wallace: Okay. I want to ask you-

fucking moron: Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci said the opposite.

Biden: He did not say the opposite.

Chris Wallace: I want to ask you, we’ve got a little than a minute left in this segment.

fucking moron: He said very strongly, “Masks are not good.” Then he changed his mind. He said, “Masks are good.”

Chris Wallace: I want to ask-

fucking moron: I’m okay with masks. I’m not fighting masks.

====================

yeah, great you aren't fighting them, just doubting they do anything

show me the report or expert saying the 'opposite' of the 100,000 lives saved one (which is a real report)

he's going back to Feb/Mar inaccurate comments of Fauci... well science learns new things and adjusts... that's how things work

why why why is Trump discouraging masks? who is joining him in it? as i noted, not even his radiologist top advisor is doing so

what is the equivalence on that? that Joe & Kamala say they don't trust Trump on vaccines? (when he fucking lies completely obviously always) or that he will muzzle experts? (as he has factually done... Fauci dumped a long time ago, Birx dumped once she said virus was spreading alarmingly... no experts showing in 'briefings')

there is no equivalence on any of his ridiculous levels of unfitness

renzo marQuez
Member Thu Oct 01 13:06:54
tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Oct 01 12:19:55
"there is no equivalence on any of his ridiculous levels of unfitness"

Correct. Biden is much worse. He voted for the Iraq War. He's a war criminal based on what the Obongo administration did in Libya.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Oct 01 13:57:10
& Trump supported the Iraq War & would've voted for it

& Trump is a war criminal for assassinating
Soleimani (then lied to us about it of course)
(+ he wants torture, + wants to kill families of terrorists, + wants to attack cultural sites, + wants to do more assassinations)

& while Trump keeps saying he's bringing troops home, i don't believe it actually ever happened

pretty sure our Afghan presence is roughly same as when Trump started for one example

(+ even if Trump wants troops returned he's easily tricked into keeping troops out like they did in Syria by saying they'd 'keep the oil')

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renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 06:58:10 http://twitter.com/2LarryJohnson7/status/1311272611633147904
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 13:13:50 they mean wearing a mask at that moment for camera when far apart from everyone encouraging masks is what politicians -should- do (& pretty much all do except Trump & his most loyal followers) even evil Mitch encourages them if Trump had encouraged them throughout, we would have far less spread, far less death, far less closures, far less problems across the board Trump = failure (& not learning from his mistakes at all)
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 30 13:39:37 I like how tw always insists that if Trump were to don a mask, then the 45% of the country that werent doing so would instantaneously pick up the habit. The reality is the complete opposite. Trump isnt the head of his own personality cult; instead hes a personification of a certain way of thinking that's prevalent in many areas of the country, particularly among conservatives. Masks are stupid and an infringement on our liberties. I wouldnt wear one outdoors whether Trump said to or not. I dont take orders from him; I just support his stance.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 13:41:34 Trump is definitely the head of his own personality cult his cultists repeat the shit he says verbatim (including some of you people)
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 30 13:51:23 What do you mean you people? And what do you call it when you just repeat CNN talking points all day? How is that not "cult like?" I'm afraid to ask what Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper demand in sacrifices from their followers (butt stuff probably).
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 13:57:05 Trump claimed the CDC director mispoke about mask usefulness... the CDC director has not changed his recommendation the Surgeon General is constantly urging masks (not that anyone pays attention to him) the adults around Trump claim he encourages them (with his eyes, i guess?) at debate Biden noted the reports about how many lives would be saved if everyone wore masks & Trump said that others have said the opposite (yeah, show me that report where masks kill heaps of people... fucking idiotic) plus he claimed Fauci said masks were bad... Fauci never said masks were bad, the only concern was the supply drying up so first responders wouldn't be able to get them (& initial doubt about how useful they were & concern of people touching face outweighing the benefit)... but that ended A LONG TIME ago... -only- Trump keeps up the anti-mask rhetoric then there's fucking moron's Tulsa rally (indoor, actively discouraging distancing, & NO mask encouraging)... at his more recent events they have someone w/ no connection to Trump urge masks over the loudspeaker (who then gets booed)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 13:58:41 i'm not repeating CNN talking points all day long, much of my comments come straight from fucking moron's tweets or 'briefing' comments how often can -you- quote Trump to show he's a fit leader?
renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 14:21:10 If Trump asked people to wear masks in March, tw would have called him a fascist for it because that's what the corporate press brainwashers would have been putting out.
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 30 14:46:39 Lol. Tw is shown direct evidence of liberal politicians doing political theater and he immediately defends them. Zero doubt
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 30 14:49:48 You are the definition of a useful idiot, tw.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 15:30:44 "If Trump asked people to wear masks in March, tw would have called him a fascist for it because that's what the corporate press brainwashers would have been putting out." false... i would've complained about other shit he was doing... he provides plenty to work with ---- Trump fits the 'useful idiot' definition precisely... and 'demagogue'... and 'malignant narcissist'
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 15:33:57 does it makes sense for the President to oppose the CDC's medical advice? (based on nothing, and while known to be a continually uninformed idiot) ridiculously unfit
renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 15:56:13 Would it have made sense to oppose the globalist medical industrial complex when it was saying that people didn't need to wear masks and that there was no need for border lockdowns?
habebe Member	Wed Sep 30 17:03:05 http://youtu.be/oPFsNtxH7FA A funny but accurate portrayal of US politics.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 17:27:58 the only time they said you didn't need a mask was early on because a) fear of shortages for most important people to have them & b) there wasn't knowledge of the asymptomatic spread there has been no one (but Trump) continuing the message since ~April & what's most embarrassing is it's not like his team backs him up, they just pretend he supports masks but he CLEARLY does not, the NEVER encouraging them & frequently doubting them clued me in... plus right in debate Biden noted the study that masks would save X lives, then Trump said ("& some say the opposite" ... that is a LIE and is CLEAR discouragement & he also said Fauci said they were bad (which never happened, but just him reaching back in the vicinity of what was said in Feb/Mar) and most ridiculously, it's for NO purpose... who the fuck benefits from that message?
habebe Member	Wed Sep 30 17:30:08 "because a) fear of shortages for most important people to have them " So they lied.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 17:40:47 "So they lied" no, they specified that at the time now if Trump wasn't a fucking moron, he -could- make the argument about personal responsibility & letting people decide for themselves (which Rugian probably thinks is his position)... but nope, just full retard anti-science lies is what we get from him as usual (plus the problem w/ personal responsibility, etc is you're putting others at risk) Trump has made the situation worse & continues to make it worse... & the idiot cultists can't even see it... (yes, i know not every single person would listen to Trump, but i do know it would have an effect... it's quite crystal clear obvious he influences the views of the idiot cultists) now he's got everyone believing perfect vaccines about to roll out... which they won't... so more reason for bad behavior (possibly why Florida is saying fuck it & doing nothing now... w/ its Trump ball-licker governor)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 17:45:46 & if that OP tweet spreads amongst the trumposphere such that he sees it, he will likely retweet it happy to spread the misleading intent
renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 18:11:58 tw, Not true. They were saying that face coverings do not work. And opposing border controls.
renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 18:34:59 But it's all Drumpf's fault... http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1311400442996363264 The New York Times @nytimes The World Health Organization has long encouraged mass tourism and said closing borders wouldn’t stop the spread of Covid-19. A New York Times investigation found this policy was never based on science, but instead on politics and economics.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 19:41:43 "Not true. They were saying that face coverings do not work. And opposing border controls." Any discouragement ended many months ago (except by Trump... who now has a radiologist as his go to pandemic expert... and even that guy is one of the adults claiming Trump encourages masks) Do you think it's some trick? To what end, and why is it worldwide?
Habebe Member	Wed Sep 30 19:56:10 At the very least most experts early on discouraged masks and downplayed their effectiveness to control the spread. Perhaps to not spread panic?sound familiar?
Habebe Member	Wed Sep 30 19:58:39 As for border bans, it was primarily Biden who was against them calling them xenophobic.
renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 20:00:50 tw, the point is that the medical establishment was wrong about almost everything important. My comment was a response to this: tumbleweed the wanderer Wed Sep 30 15:33:57 "does it makes sense for the President to oppose the CDC's medical advice?"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 20:12:25 "Perhaps to not spread panic?sound familiar?" that would be retarded... hide the best known preventative measure to not cause panic? asymptomatic spread was not known, so it was primarily only considered useful vs coughing and the like ----- and it's Trump continuing now to oppose CDC with all that's been learned... and based on NOTHING... and for NO reason and is definitely harmful to anyone's goals masks being political is ridiculous, and entirely caused by Trump at debate, Bidens audience all or nearly all mask-wearing, Trumps side the reverse (with the venue policy to wear one) don't tell me Trump is having no effect
kargen Member	Wed Sep 30 20:21:45 "no, they specified that at the time" That wouldn't be your response if President Trump had done the same. Yu would be claiming treason at the very least. Probably you would mention Hitler and death camps somewhere along the way.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 20:35:03 excellent argument, nonsense predictions about what I'd have done how about defending what Trump is doing? as that actually matters... a lot who in his administration is joining his view? they have to lie about his position, that's how pathetic it is... it's absolutely retarded and unacceptable
renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 20:37:22 The CDC has no credibility. Trump's biggest mistake was not firing Fauci and the Surgeon General when it became clear that they had lied to the people.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 20:51:08 so everyone else is wrong and Trump is right? (including around the world)
renzo marQuez Member	Wed Sep 30 20:52:29 If you're asking if the WHO was wrong for opposing masks and border controls, the answer is yes. Unequivocally.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 20:52:38 and including Trumps hand-picked radiologist pandemic adviser... who got the job by appearing on Fox ...everything about this admin is ridiculous
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 30 20:55:03 I'm referring to Trump actively discouraging masks last night on the super high ratings* debate (*as Trump has tweeted) In contradiction to basically everyone and using lies for his argument Is that ok? Just normal presidential behavior?
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 01 01:54:35 Tw, there is a reason why everyone thinks you are a useful idiot. No one ever agrees with you. Why is that?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 01 02:20:42 probably because my arguments are completely solid so no need for anyone to add anything it's self-evident to most that Trump is an unfit idiot fraud (even Rugian knows it, just doesn't like the alternative) just you & kargen (& habebe to a lesser degree) are the deluded fools
habebe Member	Thu Oct 01 02:40:20 as shucks, Im less of a fool...lol. My position on Trump is fairly clear, he is an unapologetic asshole, that's a big selling point to me. I like nice guys, but its not a quality I require in my leaders. I find TW blinded by his insatiable hatred of all things Trump so much that he overlooks how shitty the DNC is, or anyone else not Trump for that matter.
habebe Member	Thu Oct 01 02:47:24 I mean its literally like Captain Ahab/Inspector Javert. I've never met anyone else so obsessed with hatred for Trump, a d thats really saying something. Its a shame, he isnt stupid or lazy. But he is obsessed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 01 12:05:25 why is a radiologist off Fox News Trump's top advisor on a pandemic? why does -every- person who has briefed Trump say the same things? (he's unprepared, no attention span) and never absorbs any information why does he watch hours of Fox everyday & think it works as a better information source than everyone in gov't? (he prefers it as it's entertaining... they are entertainment shows, & they praise him constantly) read the 2 ukraine phone calls... NO preparation, no substance at all he has so many problems... so clearly a total shit 'president'... he continued his rallies right after being elected, he has never left campaign mode, he just likes being cheered at, complaining about outrage stories he hears on Fox (& usually inaccurately), golfing, watching Fox people praise him... and absolutely NOTHING he says can be believed he falsely smears everyone & organization that hinders him or points out his lies & incompetence... and will completely destroy the country if not re-elected (after completely ruining faith in the election just because he's losing or to need an excuse for losing) there is no work being done... he knew NOTHING about the 'peace' deals... he never knows anything about anything... his virus info when not read off notes is just made-up shit... he's lying about vaccines just like everything else he tells you things are great over and over to just make you believe it's true (perception is reality) they were sending out Trump had greatest debate in history immediately after debate... was that accurate to you? he's claiming "I won the debate big, based on compilation of polls etc. Thank you!"... citing nothing... do you think that's based on anything? he's a 100% fraud, who does fuck all as 'president' you think he's hard on China (even though he has praised them more than any president ever)... well, nothing has been achieved yet and allegedly being tough on China isn't everything yet you see equivalence in all of it...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 01 12:19:55 debate segment on masks: Biden: Well, masks make a big difference. His own head of the CDC said if we just wore masks between now, if everybody wore a mask and social distanced between now and January, we’d probably save up to 100,000 lives. It matters. It matters. fucking moron: And they’ve also said the opposite. They’ve also said- Biden: No serious person has said the opposite. No serious person. Chris Wallace: Okay. I want to ask you- fucking moron: Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci said the opposite. Biden: He did not say the opposite. Chris Wallace: I want to ask you, we’ve got a little than a minute left in this segment. fucking moron: He said very strongly, “Masks are not good.” Then he changed his mind. He said, “Masks are good.” Chris Wallace: I want to ask- fucking moron: I’m okay with masks. I’m not fighting masks. ==================== yeah, great you aren't fighting them, just doubting they do anything show me the report or expert saying the 'opposite' of the 100,000 lives saved one (which is a real report) he's going back to Feb/Mar inaccurate comments of Fauci... well science learns new things and adjusts... that's how things work why why why is Trump discouraging masks? who is joining him in it? as i noted, not even his radiologist top advisor is doing so what is the equivalence on that? that Joe & Kamala say they don't trust Trump on vaccines? (when he fucking lies completely obviously always) or that he will muzzle experts? (as he has factually done... Fauci dumped a long time ago, Birx dumped once she said virus was spreading alarmingly... no experts showing in 'briefings') there is no equivalence on any of his ridiculous levels of unfitness
renzo marQuez Member	Thu Oct 01 13:06:54 tumbleweed the wanderer Thu Oct 01 12:19:55 "there is no equivalence on any of his ridiculous levels of unfitness" Correct. Biden is much worse. He voted for the Iraq War. He's a war criminal based on what the Obongo administration did in Libya.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 01 13:57:10 & Trump supported the Iraq War & would've voted for it & Trump is a war criminal for assassinating Soleimani (then lied to us about it of course) (+ he wants torture, + wants to kill families of terrorists, + wants to attack cultural sites, + wants to do more assassinations) & while Trump keeps saying he's bringing troops home, i don't believe it actually ever happened pretty sure our Afghan presence is roughly same as when Trump started for one example (+ even if Trump wants troops returned he's easily tricked into keeping troops out like they did in Syria by saying they'd 'keep the oil')
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