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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 08 12:06:33
Six men were charged Thursday in an alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, according to a federal criminal complaint.

The six individuals charged in the Western District of Michigan with conspiracy to kidnap are Michigan residents Adam Fox, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, Brandon Caserta, and Delaware resident Barry Croft.

The FBI became aware of the scheme, first reported by The Detroit News, in early 2020 through a social media group of individuals who were discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law-enforcement components, according to the criminal complaint.

"Through electronic communications, Croft and Fox agreed to unite others in their cause and take violent action against multiple state governments that they believe are violating the US Constitution," including the government of Michigan and Whitmer, according to the complaint.

Court documents say the FBI planted an undercover agent to travel to Dublin, Ohio, on June 6 for a meeting with Croft, Fox and about 13 others.
"They discussed different ways of achieving this goal from peaceful endeavors to violent actions ... Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," according to the complaint.

At one point during the meeting, the group discussed increasing their members and Fox reached out to a "Michigan base militia group," according to the complaint.

Whitmer is scheduled to deliver prepared remarks Thursday afternoon.

This story is breaking and will be updated.

http://www...or-gretchen-whitmer/index.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 08 12:17:32
a Fox article said it was 3 people and w/ different names... they've now changed it... i wonder who those 3 people were :p
renzo marQuez
Member
Thu Oct 08 12:38:25
More of what the FBI does best. Sending an informant/undercover agent into a group of non-violent people, encouraging them to commit violent crime, and then arresting them when there is any indication that they will do so.
Paramount
Member
Thu Oct 08 12:52:01
So first they said it was three other people, and now they are covering up the names of these three people?
Forwyn
Member
Thu Oct 08 13:08:27
"Court documents say the FBI planted an undercover agent to travel to Dublin, Ohio, on June 6 for a meeting with Croft, Fox and about 13 others."

Yep. +1 on Renzo.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Oct 08 13:52:11

"They discussed different ways of achieving this goal from peaceful endeavors to violent actions "

Sounds like blm/antifa
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Oct 08 14:32:32
"In a YouTube video from May, Caserta claimed in a 30-minute diatribe that “the enemy is government.” He shot the video in front of an a"narchist’s flag and a map of Michigan."

Sounds like anti-fa in portland.
Paramount
Member
Thu Oct 08 14:52:25
So what has the governor of Michigan done to provoke an anarchist militia group and/or Antifa?
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Oct 08 14:55:51
Trumps DOJ, FBI specifically, are really busy, eh? Infiltrating nazis and blm, in different cities. Credit is where credit is due, I guess. Law and order!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 08 16:47:49
armed gunmen went into the state capitol to intimidate people back in Apr/May over lockdown orders

to which Trump seemed supportive
Y2A
Member
Thu Oct 08 17:49:43
mugshots:

http://twi...7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 08 18:10:59
looks like a bunch of rapists & torturers & Trump voters
Y2A
Member
Thu Oct 08 18:14:22
the guy had a boogaloo shirt and normie sam adams doesn't get it.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Oct 08 21:41:17
Oh no, muh Hawaiian shirts

"The source noted that the domestic terrorism investigation being worked by the FBI has uncovered significant anti-government beliefs among the group members but not widespread racial animus or White supremacist-style ideologies."
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 09 05:51:41
Trump has already taken credit on Twitter for foiling this plot.
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 09 05:55:47
They sort of look like my idea of Confederat prisoners of war.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 09 06:00:17
You know now were going to have a " they were right wingers" and a " no, they were left wingers"

When regards of what we call then they obviously are not part of anyone's mainstream beliefs.

Plus Whitmers got a hot milf going.
patom
Member
Fri Oct 09 09:59:08
Bill Barr says he didn't know anything about this but Trump is all butt hurt and pissed that Whitmer isn't calling him and thanking him personally for saving her.
Sounds like the train is leaving the station on multiple tracks.
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 09 10:12:17
Thank goodness the FBI actually did its job and stopped these lawbreakers in their tracks.

Meanwhile, the Democratic governors and mayors who have allowed their cities to burn for months on end...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 09 12:20:56
"You know now were going to have a " they were right wingers" and a " no, they were left wingers"

When regards of what we call then they obviously are not part of anyone's mainstream beliefs."


equivalence again? they are definitely all/most Trumpers, and none Bideners

i've not looked into them much at all, yet still aware from random tweets of photos of one of them w/ Charlie Kirk (major cultist who Trump retweets & has at events)

& know one posted being angry gyms being closed (the half-orc in the middle of the above mugshots)

& boogaloo boys definitely right-wing group

& another photo of one which has suggestion he supports Trump:
http://i.d..._was_arr-m-3_1602214823091.jpg
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 09 12:26:35
"equivalence again? they are definitely all/most Trumpers, and none Bideners"

Do we know that about them? I didnt know we had that info released.

I seen one guy they said was an anarchist, but that was on Twitter , I to be fair I font even know if it was a real.photo.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 09 12:26:36
"equivalence again? they are definitely all/most Trumpers, and none Bideners"

Do we know that about them? I didnt know we had that info released.

I seen one guy they said was an anarchist, but that was on Twitter , I to be fair I font even know if it was a real.photo.
chuck
Member
Fri Oct 09 14:30:53
A Tutorial Introduction to Programming Lifelike Trump AI Bots:

1. If the topic of discussion relates to black people or liberals - especially something bad that black people or liberals did:

```
c Invoke outrage subroutine
call SEETHING_AND_UNREASONING_RAGE()
```

2. If the topic of discussion relates to Trump or Trumptards - especially something bad that Trump or Trumptards did:

```
c Search memory banks for similar bad thing liberals or black people did
integer can_redirect;

can_redirect = 0
call SHOULD_REDIRECT(can_redirect)

c Invoke appropriate response depending on
c whether we found similar liberal incident
if ( can_redirect .GT. 0) then
c Load previous incident
call RETRIEVE_LAST_SIMILAR_LIBTARD_INCIDENT()

c And get mad, damnit
call SEETHING_AND_UNREASONING_RAGE()
else
c Handle case without recent libtard incident
call SEEMS_FINE_TO_ME_ACTUALLY_NO_ITS_GREAT()
endif
```
And that's all there is to it! I hope you've enjoyed this tutorial introduction. It's written in Fortran because we're going to be doing this same stuff over and over and over again, so we need it to be fast.

P.S. - While the above algorithms are all the complexity you need for a life-like sim, you shouldn't feel constrained to the above. Feel free to change it up! Consider the following tweaks to individualize your Proud Bots:

- if the SEEMS_FINE_TO_ME_ACTUALLY_NO_ITS_GREAT behavior gets a little stale, try implementing a IM_NOT_SURPRISED_THIS_IS_HOW_IT_WAS_ALWAYS_GOING_TO_BE subroutine that ignores problems by post hoc updating beliefs to reflect inevitability of this particular shitstorm. Calling either of these randomly is a great way to make an unthinking automaton seem like it is alive behind it's cold, dead eyes.

- Give some of your bots conversational tidbits that imply they would be cheering for total collapse even if literally everything was going their way.

- When programming your bots, give them exceedingly normal -- even pleasant -- back stories so that players who interact with them are left wondering how the hell they got the way they are.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:13:04
"& boogaloo boys definitely right-wing group"

LOL no
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:26:03
it's not a stretch to think that white guys in rural michigan who are 2nd amendment gun nuts and planned to kidnap and kill the democratic governor were right wing nuts but i guess the "always deny" tactic has worked well so far so keep going for it.
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:31:29
"Hitler was a left wing communist woke hippie type because his party had SOCIALIST in it!" - average republican voter
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:32:40
Whitmer is a wannabe dictator who abused her power so egregiously that the state supreme court had to step in and take it away from her. She doesn't deserve to be in any position of power and she needs to lose her seat posthaste.

That said, the right has done nothing to encourage violent action against her. Compare and contrast that to the "resistance" Democrats who have openly celebrated the trashing of America's cities and forced any MAGA supporters to go underground lest they suffer ostracization or even physical harm at the hands of the mob.
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:36:48
http://en....ichigan_gubernatorial_election

Nominee Gretchen Whitmer |Bill Schuette
Popular vote 2,266,193 | 1,859,534
Percentage 53.3% | 43.8%
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:39:09
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Michigan_Senate_election

Party Republican | Democratic
Seats after 22 | 16
Popular vote 1,973,098 | 2,064,029
Percentage 48.04% | 50.25%
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:40:52
http://en....se_of_Representatives_election

Party Republican | Democratic
Seats won 58 | 52
Popular vote 1,935,174 | 2,128,281
Percentage 47.40% | 52.13%
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:41:49
Y2A:

Yes, she won her election. And since Covid hit, she's been conducting nonstop endruns around the legislature and grossly exceeding her powers.

I realize that your South American ancestry might have left you with the impression that heads of state are entitled to act as strongmen as soon as they enter office, but that's not how we do things around here (as much as Obama felt differently).
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:41:51
Y2a, Ok, but does Hitler seriously have that much in common with either US party?

Are either parties calling to invade Canada and Mexico? How about set up death camps to murder millions of people by working them to death and gassing them?
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:42:04
the clowns can't win without gerrymandering and voter suppression (i.e., stealing the election). the only one with legitimacy is Whitmer, not the thieves.
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:42:57
newsflash to Rugian: there is a gubernatorial election in 2022.
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:47:53
my point on the hitler as a "left-winger" wasn't to imply that the repubs are like hitler it was just to point out that there is always this incoherent deflection that happens in the case of right-wing extremists.
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:48:24
information for Rugian

http://en....ns#Gretchen_Whitmer_(Michigan)
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:50:56
ROFL at thinking crackheads in Detroit should get the same representation as the hard-working people (of all races) in the rest in the state.

And that's a dodge anyway. Michigan has a functioning executive, legislature, and judiciary, all of which operate within the confines of the state constitution that governs them. Just because you disapprove of how the legislative body is selected doesn't mean that the executive just gets to ignore it.
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 09 19:52:35
Information for Y2A

http://www...force-covid-orders/3616380001/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 09 20:49:10
"the right has done nothing to encourage violent action against her,"

from back in May:
http://www...head-of-armed-rally-in-lansing

“We need a good old fashioned lynch mob to storm the Capitol, drag her tyrannical ass out onto the street and string her up as our forefathers would have,”
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 09 20:59:58
"John Campbell Sr"

Who?
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 09 21:09:10
seems to be a theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-JUZlhynzY
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 09 21:15:25
"my point on the hitler as a "left-winger" wasn't to imply that the repubs are like hitler it was just to point out that there is always this incoherent deflection that happens in the case of right-wing extremists."

I think there is a mix of things going on with that.

1. People love to take the worsr in an opposing party and display it as the poster child, it happens on both sides and all over the world.

2. There is a knee jerk reaction anymore to disagree with the opposition, over anything. So when a normal Democrat poonts out that some white nationalist is a Trump supporter the knee jerk reaction is to argue that on some grounds which may wven lead to defending them, im not saying its right, just an observation.

US parties seem to be similar to EU coalition governments except we align ahead of the elections into two super coalition parties.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Oct 09 22:43:00
@Y2A: It's not a stretch to say that the group involved leaned right-wing.

But it is a stretch to say that Boog boys are monolithically right-wing.

It's a fucking meme, about society as we know it breaking down. And plenty of Ancoms/gun-friendly leftists have participated in that meme.
patom
Member
Sat Oct 10 04:46:01
“We need a good old fashioned lynch mob to storm the Capitol, drag her tyrannical ass out onto the street and string her up as our forefathers would have,”

Sounds a little like Trump at the rally where he wanted the throng to drag that guy out and beat the shit out of him.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Oct 11 02:22:15
Muhhhhhh Trump

lol @ Y2A, tw, patom, chuck, etc

Caserta says, "Trump is not your friend, dude. It amazes me that people actually, like, believe that when he’s shown over and over and over again that he’s a tyrant. Every single person that works for government is your enemy, dude.”

http://www...d-anti-trump-video/5940296002/
Habebe
Member
Sun Oct 11 04:37:56
http://the...oned-in-delaware-last-year?amp

Apparently another suspect in the group was pardoned last year by the Democratic Governor of Delaware.
Y2A
Member
Sun Oct 11 19:31:53
forwyn doesn't get how the extremist right operates. Is he gullible or does he understand and is just playing dumb?

http://www...ormation-bot-behavior-n1221456

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter
Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

June 1, 2020, 7:03 PM EDT / Updated June 1, 2020, 8:57 PM EDT
By Ben Collins, Brandy Zadrozny and Emmanuelle Saliba

A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson.

The spokesperson said the account violated the company's platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts. Twitter suspended the account after a tweet that incited violence.

As protests were taking place in multiple states across the U.S. Sunday night, the newly created account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted, “Tonight’s the night, Comrades,” with a brown raised fist emoji and “Tonight we say 'F--- The City' and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours …”
Y2A
Member
Sun Oct 11 19:39:45
look, some real bernie bros lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsQMUHUUDQc
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 11 20:36:15
I said "they are definitely all/most Trumpers, and none Bideners "

I'm aware of the one guy calling Trump a tyrant... (but he's also saying it as though his audience likes Trump and trying to convince otherwise)

In any case, there are others in group -definitely- pro-Trump

I'm unaware of any being pro-Biden (being pardoned by a democrat has no meaning)
Forwyn
Member
Sun Oct 11 22:19:27
"forwyn doesn't get how the extremist right operates."

Posting about a straw account isn't really relevant to a dude telling his supporters that Trump isn't their friend.

And that's a pretty common thought I've seen out there. Trump isn't super pro-2A, and he hasn't exactly slowed down ATF/DEA/FBI stings and raids and infringements.

Thread in question.
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