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habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 10:21:01
http://www...down-against-covid-second-wave

With new cases hitting about 100,000 daily, Europe has by a wide margin overtaken the United States, where more than 51,000 COVID-19 infections are reported on average every day.
EuropeanPussy
Member
Thu Oct 15 11:08:16
#1 to herd immunity!
habebe
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:06:22
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jergul
large member
Sun Oct 18 03:16:53
Well, the population of europe (741 million) is more than twice that of the US.

But the US is actually trailing Europe. Surges you see here, you will see there soon enough.
Seb
Member
Sun Oct 18 04:29:17
In daily deaths per capita, the US is just popped by Europe, but you've been much higher for most of the year. And as jergul says, it looks like you are about to get a third peak (having never really completed a whole wave).

In terms of cumulative deaths cases and deaths per million the US is much worse than Europe.

Daemon
Member
Sun Oct 18 07:27:58
If only we had build a wall!

http://pbs...WMAEXcrp?format=jpg&name=large
jergul
large member
Sun Oct 18 08:01:20
Greater Fenno-Germania is safe!
Rugian
Member
Sun Oct 18 11:46:14
So I guess this means the Trump strategy is officially vindicated.
jergul
large member
Sun Oct 18 11:47:42
You guessed wrong.
Rugian
Member
Sun Oct 18 12:07:34
I dont think so. New case counts are what matter, right? And now the EU has a higher count than the US.

Turns out you cant eliminate a virus by government diktat. Of course, the mandarins running the EU were stupid enough to try it anyway. Rofl
jergul
large member
Sun Oct 18 12:38:56
Europe does with twice the population of the US. Habebe screwed up his thread title.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Oct 18 12:52:29
lol, Trump fluffer Rugian at it again.
Habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 13:04:14
Jergul, I just thre the article out there to see where the thread went...was bored...still boring.
Habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 13:11:42
http://apn...825da3bef39e3ddc24b22ba8f3726a

More news from across the pond.
Pillz
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:30:22
Seb and jergul are will begin suggesting we enact decimation to curb corona.

Clearly the issue is that Europe has too many people
Seb
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:39:08
Rugian:

Yeah yours are trending up too. If you keep it low, and the EU new daily rates start high enough for long enough that they overtake the US, maybe you'd be able to claim that. But it seems unlikely.
jergul
large member
Sun Oct 18 16:47:17
Pillz
I am scared at how hard it is for you to grasp elementary hygiene.

1. Wash hands often
2. Keep your distance
3. Wear a mask
4. Stay at home if sick

When trends are rising:

5. Stay at home as much as possible.


jergul
large member
Sun Oct 18 16:47:46
Lock down in any form has 5. as goal.
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:51:04
Can we all agree that neither side has much high ground to stand on?

I mean considering the situation we are in I actually think both sides have proven to be resilient enough that no medical systems were overwhelmed. The economies have downturns but not a complete 1930s depression, all in all it could have been far worse
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:52:10
pillz likes to think henisnt Canadian and associates with the state's....odd.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Oct 18 17:00:16
"all in all it could have been far worse"

But should have been far better. But it's cool, keep lapping up Trumps bullshit with that wide grin.
jergul
large member
Sun Oct 18 17:05:21
Our levels are flat. My town actually has quite a bit because Russian trawlers keep using the port when sickness breaks out on board. So the numbers here are contained and in isolation as the fisherment are sent directly into quarantine.

Its like the old joke goes. "The social distancing rule has finally ended. We can now go back to keeping 5 m distance from people instead of the mandated 1 m".
Forwyn
Member
Sun Oct 18 17:20:22
"But should have been far better."

I mean, people on this forum were discussing impending healthcare system collapses and millions dead in March.

But go at it
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Oct 18 17:48:30
Ah yes, the braying of the typical Trump fluffer.

"Just because it wasn't the end of our civilization as we know it, there really wasn't much room for improvement."

Derp.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Oct 18 17:56:26
More like, "the Venn diagram of people who were screaming about the end of the world, and those who are now screaming about the insignificant number of Boomers dead, mostly in a handful of blue strongholds that murdered their retirement home populations, is a perfect circle".
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 18:10:32
http://www...could-die-from-the-coronavirus

Faux gave a rough estimate that 100-200k Americans would die, worst case scenario 2 million if we did nothing. We arw slightly above the low estimate, not that bad.

They said our HC system would be overwhelmed...It wasnt.

They said we would have to decide who gets a ventilator and who doesn't...didnt happen.

All in all its not as bad as the Democrats portray it, of course they will portray Trumps numbera as horrible while praising Coumos, which that comparison alone says it all.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Oct 18 18:59:03
"Fauci said the 100,000-to-200,000 death figure is a middle-of-the-road estimate, much lower than worse-case-scenario predictions."

So yeah, things could have been far better (and should have been).

I love people blathering on about those incredibly high numbers in the millions, HC system overwhelmed, etc. That's if we did absolutely nothing.

I, and many others, not claiming Trump did nothing. But he definitely did not do nearly as much as he should have done.

But hey, how's that shit sandwich taste? Lemme see your grin.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Oct 18 18:59:47
It's so goddamn funny how much mind control Trump has over you retards.
Habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 19:40:35
Are you just this disingenuous or dis you not read the article more thwn skimming?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Oct 18 20:47:54
Are you actually retarded or do you just have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader?
Habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 20:51:00
Even your insults are lazy.
Daemon
Member
Sun Oct 18 23:05:46
"the Trump strategy"

He has one?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 18 23:31:35
Trump strategy: ignore the issue & "it is what it is" on deaths

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"We arw slightly above the low estimate, not that bad"

we are slightly above the high estimate... & it's far from over
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 18 23:34:42
oh, & also in Trump's strategy: lie about cases rising & lie about vaccine timeline & discourage masks for god knows what reason
Pillz
Member
Mon Oct 19 07:56:41
Apparently Europeans are the ones who can't grasp hygiene jergul

And are afraid of a cold
habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 07:57:49
tw, The high estimate was millions dead, last I chexked we are at like 225 with the actual death rate dropping.

If Biden takes office do you really think there will be any noticanle difference in numbers?
habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 07:59:17
I mean seriously what realistic action can Biden take to hwlpnthe cause? encourage mask use?
sam adams
Member
Mon Oct 19 10:20:34
But but but seb said it was under control. 2 more weeks to implement track and trace!!!
sam adams
Member
Mon Oct 19 10:44:12
Wales completely locks down for 2 weeks. All citizens must remain in their homes for 2 weeks.

"Under control" said seb.
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 19 10:53:14
To be fair, sheep shearing and shagging season is over, so the lock down is pretty much what everyone was doing until spring anyway.
Seb
Member
Mon Oct 19 11:01:26
Sam:
Ah Sam, not understanding exponential growth again.

When I said under control, the UK will had effective levers to prevent the disease exceeding the capacity of control measures, which fell well below lockdown.

But like March, they went all Sam: "oh noes, the economy" and now, two weeks later it's out of control.

The lesson is we need to stop listening to people like Sam.


Like they did last
sam adams
Member
Mon Oct 19 12:32:48
When you said under control, you were completely and utterly wrong. When you thought your country could successfully implement tracking, you were completely and utterly wrong.

Admitting your mistake is the first step towards fixing it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 12:39:22
2 million dead was if no one did anything (that means no single person in the country did anything, just completely ignore & ride it out)

which was Trump's plan at the start & Trump's plan since end of April
renzo marQuez
Member
Mon Oct 19 12:41:20
http://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1318227215490912257
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 12:51:33
Trump probably sending over infected diplomats

he loves talking about cases rising elsewhere & pretending ours aren't
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 12:56:51
the John Hopkins link

http://gis...a7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Poland has quite the graph
Habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 13:38:30

I mean seriously what realistic action can Biden take to help the cause? encourage mask use?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 13:46:03
are you denying Trump's actions are harming things?

Biden can do nothing and be an improvement
Habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 13:53:33
So you think Biden will pretty much take the same policy approach?
Habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 13:53:34
So you think Biden will pretty much take the same policy approach?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 14:12:44
what policy approach do you think Trump has?


also, Biden has talked about this (no idea what he said though :p... i know he did NOT say he would close everything as Trump says Biden says)
Habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 15:19:50
My point os there isnt a huge amount a potus can realistical do.

1. Close borders_ Trump did this

2. Boost medical supplies, ventilators and masks-ditto

3. Encourage safer behaviour...ok I'll concede that.

4 Testing, pretry sure we teat more than anyone, nominally at least.

5...?

There isnt much Biden can really do.
Habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 15:21:55
For me the only good things Biden may do is get UHC and appoint people like Yang ( would have been a WAY better choice than that bitchy Harris or VP)
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Oct 19 15:24:04
“ 1. Close borders_ Trump did this ”

Americans are pretty much on everyone’s no fly list now, for non essential travel, like a proper shithole citizens. So, Biden won’t have to worry about borders, if he wins. Other countries will do it for him, until the shithole gets their affairs in order
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Oct 19 15:25:11
http://www...ntil-nov-21-at-least-1.5150865
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 16:27:17
"3. Encourage safer behaviour"

this is no minor issue... behavior is the entire way to slow it's spread... & Trump isn't just not encouraging, he's discouraging it constantly & spreading false info constantly

"4 Testing, pretry sure we teat more than anyone, nominally at least."

no thanks to Trump at all... he discourages that too... presumably there is room for improvement that a real president could help with


i don't see how you can suggest it would be a tiny change between Trump & Biden

Trump does nothing but lie about it & NEVER does anything productive only harming all efforts, plus sowing doubt in FDA, CDC, Fauci, etc...

-claiming FDA is deep state & deliberately holding up treatments/vaccines
-interfering in CDC messaging, trying to get it to match Trump's made-up bullshit better, plus claiming the director misspoke about benefit of masks (for whatever fucked up mentally ill reason)
- dismissing Fauci as a democrat (he has no party affiliation) & calling him a disaster & misrepresenting his comments & making ridiculous accusations about deaths if he listened to Fauci

he even has harmed the eventual vaccine by constantly inserting himself & claiming he personally getting it done faster & lying about timeline (which has massively reduced people's confidence in taking it)

Trump is the disaster
renzo marQuez
Member
Mon Oct 19 16:46:56
CrownRoyal
Member Mon Oct 19 15:25:11
"http://www...ntil-nov-21-at-least-1.5150865"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l20Pac9YWM
renzo marQuez
Member
Mon Oct 19 16:47:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l20Pac9YWM
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Oct 19 19:44:40
Black guy looks funny, I laughed
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