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Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 15:54:15
http://dea...lindelof-kenya-1234597879/amp/

Trump on NBC

Biden om ABC

Apparently hundreds of show biz folks are having a fit that Biden has to compete with Trumps Town hall at the same time....god forbid that people running for election compete.

Biden has star power, Trump is spear fighting Putin bare chested ans will top it off with live antifa executions.Biden will finish with a small nap.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 16:06:42
-Trump will have higher ratings
-Trump will rig every online poll he can find & brag about them as if any have meaning

neither will mean more people want Trump to win
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 16:07:52
Trump lost the moment the gender choice for moderator was woman.

Most people will of course watch the train wreck in progress broadcast over 4 channels instead of policy outlines broadcast on 1.

Which is the second thing Trump loses on. He is taking away room for Biden to screw up.

He needs Biden to screw up to win.

But at least he will get the ratings. So important. Much more so than actually winning the election.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 16:08:18
...and Trump will lie about having a better cheaper healthcare plan that protects pre-existing conditions more than currently even though he doesn't know anything about it

...and will misrepresent the Hunter Biden story
Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 16:12:19
Lwts so an informal poll of which you will watch?

I'm watching Trumps, but will probably flip to Bidens on commercial.

It's not guaranteed Trump will gwr better ratings, Bisen is up 10 in aome polls, people could.be curious what hes gonna do.

TWs attack seems genuine.

Jerguls spunds like a CNN headline.
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 16:18:21
Its absolutely assured that Trump will get higher ratings. Stop trying to lower expectations. It is beneath you.

As to damage. Trump needs to win over more women. He tried begging. Now he will try berating a woman on national tv. Do you think that will improve his support amongst women voters.

As for room for Biden to screw up. Biden is not in his basement. He is doing a town hall. Yet Trump is orchastrating it such that any mistakes Biden might make will have low impact because it will be drowned in the clownshow Trump is about to hold.

Trump's political handicraft sucks donkey balls. A good incumbent would not be flailing so far behind.
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 16:25:08
The real rating is if the sum of Trump and Bidens viewers will beat 73 million. The gap between rating is the disservice done to voters by not holding a virtual debate.
Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 16:28:55
"Now he will try berating a woman on national tv. Do you think that will improve his support amongst women voters."

First off, I think women are more intelligent than " orangeman mean to woman, me.vote sleepy guy"

Im not lowering standards. How many people even know the there are 2.townhalls tonight? I just found out because celebs were on twitter pleading to get people to watch Biden.

As for the polls, while they do look bad, like most people, my gut says he has beaten similar odds to pull of an electoral win last time.

This time I still say Biden will likely get more votes, but this election will.be decided in the courts.I could.be totally wrong and we could see a blue wave sweep so faucets of government like the polls suggest.

obaminated
Member
Thu Oct 15 16:30:52
Harris and barrett changed the race. If biden picked tulsi the middle and the right wouldnt be so desperate to make sure trump wins.
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 16:35:34
The right is not desperate to see Trump win. It is desperate about keeping the downside votes. Hence the GOP Senate not supporting Trumps stimulous package.
Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 16:35:54
Harris definitley came off as bitchy towards Amy.Even Bookwr who was being a dick did so very friendly like.
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 16:36:42
Habebe
It will be decided in the courts even with a blue landslide. Trump will never conceed.
obaminated
Member
Thu Oct 15 16:37:44
Jergul, im glad you know the general feeling among the right better than someone who is part of the right.
Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 16:45:56
Jergul, Look at how many challenges we already have. I wonder if there is a count of how many legal challenges the two parties have had this election.
TJ
Member
Thu Oct 15 16:56:28
I'll record both of them since I'm in the middle of replacing and enlarging my upper level deck. =
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 16:57:01
Obam
And you are becoming a larger fraction of the right every day!

I was speaking of the GOP establishment. On a personal level, you should worry more about losing the Senate than saving the president.
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 17:01:21
TJ, Nice.

I may actually wait until tomorrow to watch them.... been feeling undsr the weather for 2 days, not fully sick though, plus I have my two nieces staying over tonight cause my sister has school conferences....might be a Charlie Brown night and early bed.
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 17:05:29
TJ, Nice.

I may actually wait until tomorrow to watch them.... been feeling undsr the weather for 2 days, not fully sick though, plus I have my two nieces staying over tonight cause my sister has school conferences....might be a Charlie Brown night and early bed.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Thu Oct 15 17:08:43
I will watch Biden and see if he dares to drink a glass of water. I bet not.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 17:50:13
"I will be doing a major Fake @NBCNews
Town Hall Forum, live tonight from Miami, at 8:00 P.M. They asked me to do it in place of the Rigged Steve Scully (he is now suspended from @cspan for lying) Debate. I wonder if they’ll treat me as well as Sleepy Joe? They should!"

~fucking moron

he also called it a set up at one of his nonsense-spewing events

so there's his cover for any failures on his part
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 18:36:53
I think there is a good chance he will address the people regarding the stimulus.

putting Pelosi/Biden on the spot.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 18:39:04
Trump was happy to lie that Pelosi is the only one holding it up

never mentioning Mitch doesn't approve of anything Trump has ever put up
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 18:41:31
Wolf Blitzer called out Pelosi too.
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 19:12:28
Take a drink everytime he says "Gina".
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 20:08:01
He did a good job at maintaining his cool, getting his messages out clarifying things like white supremacy.

He stuck tomhis guns at giving no specifics...typical politician move, I wish he would have pushed a 1.8 trillion stimulous bill. Nothing about infrastructure....

Entirley women. All of these leaning voters was BS. Either clear Trumpers or never Trumpers. " I just have to say you have such a beautifal smile"....come on, she was leaning Biden?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 20:14:10
from what I saw, Biden was getting tough questions

and for some reason Trump still is cool with QAnon
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 20:19:09
"Joe Biden said he is "not a fan" of court-packing, but whether he ultimately seeks to push for more seats on the Supreme Court depends on how Senate Republicans handle the confirmation process of Amy Coney Barrett.

"It depends on how this turns out," Biden said. Pressed on what that means, he said, "if there's actually real, live debate on the floor" of the Senate.

If that does not take place and Republicans rush to confirm Barrett before the election, he said, "I'm open to considering what happens from that point on."

Biden said he would take a clearer position on court-packing before the election, after seeing how the confirmation process plays out. But he also said he was hesitant to take a specific position at this stage because he wants attention to focus on what confirming Barrett and handing conservatives a 6-3 Supreme Court majority would mean for abortion rights, health care, LGBTQ rights and more."

The FDR answer. I will consider packing the judiciary if the either this confirmation process or the supreme court steps out of line.

Also, Biden is saying what I said the democrats would do.
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 20:22:26
"A lawyer by training, moderator Savannah Guthrie would not let up when Trump evaded questions about his coronavirus diagnosis, whether he was tested the day of the debate, his stance on White supremacy, his ties to QAnon or his view of mail-in voting.

Without a rival on the stage, Trump was alone in fielding the questions. And he had no opponent to pepper with his own attacks.

Instead, Trump found himself on the defensive and increasingly angry — including scoffing at a question Guthrie asked by calling her “cute.”

It’s the type of performance some of Trump’s advisers had hoped to avoid, recognizing it’s that type of behavior that has turned off women voters and senior citizens. Trump has appeared more moderated when answering questions from the town hall participants. But his first 20 minutes were the type of contentious and sustained questioning that have been exceedingly rare during his presidency."

Also what I said earlier in this thread.
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 20:32:15
He calles the question " cute" not thw girl.
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 15 20:35:16
From what I seen on Biden it was very slow and calm. No tough questions except the one he evaded...made me a little sleepy.
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 15 20:44:02
Thats the winning strategy. slow and calm beats angry and defensive every day of the week.

Interesting that sleepy joe outlasted trump by 50%. Are not all trumps rallies down to one hour or less after his illness?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 22:04:24
jesus fuck... i see Trump made the "85% of the people who wear masks catch it" misinformation at the town hall too

http://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1316895142360412165

this 'man' is a fucking moron... how does anyone trust him to be president when he can't understand any information ever...
obaminated
Member
Thu Oct 15 22:35:20
Trump destroyed, the butch feminist did her best to bate him into a rant and he ignored her. Awesome.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 22:35:22
this was Trump's response to speculating that Obama & Biden had SEAL Team 6 killed, & that the Bin Laden kill was a body double & whatever else was in that shit:

“That was a retweet, that was an opinion of somebody. I’ll put it out there. People can decide for themselves.”

that's what you want in a president (& he's used that line before for other crazy shit)

what world leader wouldn't just retweet batshit crazy stories & let people decide for themselves what is reality... totally normal & reasonable
obaminated
Member
Thu Oct 15 22:48:50
"Dont let us decide for ourselves!!! Reeeeeeeee" tw
Dukhat
Member
Thu Oct 15 22:50:48
Obaminated is as delusional as trump. Don't like the facts? Make up your own!

And to do it over and over and over for many years even as you are proven demonstrably wrong over and over again.

But then you latch onto one or two ideas that make you think you are right like Trump winning in 2016 (caused by Comey) to make yourself think you are right in every circumstance.

Unbelievably fucking stupid.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Oct 16 00:00:40
Trump's town hall was a disaster. He always plays to his base. He became more cogent at the end but only because he doubled down on lies to sound reasonable (ala Mike Pence).

Our country is so fucked with 40% believing outright lies. Let's hope they all die off and we're left with is some pathetic incels like Rugian and Obaminated.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 02:44:57
here's the clip on the retweeting crazy theories:

http://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1316899937779666944

but he actually IS someone's crazy uncle (& diagnosed as crazy by her)
patom
Member
Fri Oct 16 04:34:16
LOL at the crazy uncle part. I watched Wheeler Dealer and Iron Resurrection instead of this.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 06:20:37
Did we get the ratings yet?

With all this hype for Trumps ratings we should at least see if he pulled it off. Biden had a longer show so even if Trump won, not by much.

Trump still hasn't wowed me like the state of the union.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 06:26:47
To keep perspective btw, Trump had Savanah Guthrie who avtually went ar him. George S. Worked for the Clintons, it would be like having Giuliani question him by comparison.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 06:29:23
Apparently there was a clear Chinese TikTok ploy to skew online numbers to Biden with fake views.

http://www...nald-trumps-town-hall-ratings/
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 11:45:03
Does not effect Nielsen ratings as the article clearly says.

The ticktock stuff is just trollol@trump. Because Trump thinks ratings are important in a presidential race.

The number to beat is still 78 million. Though negotiable. I would be happy comparing it to the 2nd debate in 2016.

Either way, Trump is likely to have seen a huge drop in ratings compared to what a virtual debate would have been.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:47:26
I know hoe Neilsen ratings go. I specifically mentioned online numbers.

Definitley a drop in numbers compared to a two sided debate.
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:21:27
Looks like three million illegal immigrants watched the Biden wankfest.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 12:32:10
via Nielsen:

Joe Biden = 13.9 million viewers (ABC)

The Fraud = 10.6 million (NBC), 1.74 million (MSNBC), viewers, 671,000 (CNBC)

Trump = loser


but he'll have paid to get YouTube clicks so will tout those views
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 12:37:16
tw and habebe
We were all wrong. Me most of all!

But 66 million viewed the 2nd debate in 2016. Compared to 26.8 million in this variant. The true loser is the American public.

tw
Well, the trollol of viewing Biden on all devices suddenly gains relevance. I doubt paid youtube clicks will come even close to competing.

=============

This was actually pretty lulzy. Finally a loss Trump may understand.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:30:09
See, I wasn't crazy about Biden not being dwarfed I. Trumps ratings.

You would have thought Biden would have dkne better with such a coordinated campaign to get Biden extra ratings from every news agency to a slew of celebrities and in the end it looks like they about tied.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:33:20
http://www...n-hall-in-initial-ratings/amp/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 13:38:18
i'm sure Trump's team is working hard to find views elsewhere to tout

he is incapable of not bragging about ratings somehow, it's the only reason he did it & only thing he lives for
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:47:14
Well, Overall he technically got 2 million more viewers id you factor in onlime views. But again 15-17 is prettt much a tie.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:52:59
Those " tough questions" that Biden got apparently came from Obama speech writers and wives of local Democratic politicians. So it goes to stand they were all hand pick toadies.
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 14:25:19
He was asked a lot of uncomfortable questions. Do you think he wanted to talk about fracking or court stacking?
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 14:28:46
If by talking you mean pre planned answers to things that he needed to address.

But literally the citizens asking questions were beyond just staged but one was an Obama speech writer and another was a local democrats wife...
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 14:54:19
What question was Trump ambushed with?

The questions were entirely predictable, easy to preplan and required a response.

One of the candidates is capable of preplanning responses. The other lacks the discipline to do so.

jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 14:55:29
That is the "unfair!" you are looking for. A context where preplanning gives a better outcome is obviously unfair to Trump.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 14:59:50
Jergul, Did I say Trump was ambushed?

He pretty much repeated the same answers he has given for weeks.

You do this a lot where I'll say something against some one like Biden, and you will jumpnto the conclusion that I think the opposite of Trump.

I was merely responding to TWs assertion about tough questions.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 15:31:11
i only skimmed through some initial questions, seemed more than one person introduced as a 'Republican who voted for Trump' & included:

'you said you wouldn't raise taxes on anyone under $400k, yet said you'd get rid of Trump's tax cuts, so wtf?' (which is exactly a R/Trump question of Biden, i think maybe Trump said it himself at first yell fest?)

and a black guy asking about why he should vote for him besides 'you ain't black' (so seemed an initial annoyed stance only noting that bad Biden moment)

& another acting like it was stupid for Kamala to say she wouldn't take a vaccine based on Trump's word as it would obviously be made by doctors (it's not stupid :p Trump repeatedly pressuring FDA to approve things early & lying about medications & hazards)
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:36:13
Bidens response to the black guy actually seemed to me his best response of the evening, that he was willing to stay after and talk to him part actually.

Yhe Kamalla statement is crazy antivaxer shit. Especially when they then come out to support mandatory vaccines.
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 15:39:01
I am unsure of why you are making an issue of pertinent questions.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:40:19
Bidens response to the black guy actually seemed to me his best response of the evening, that he was willing to stay after and talk to him part actually.

the Kamalla statement is crazy antivaxer shit. Especially when they then come out to support mandatory vaccines.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:41:13
Oh shit, didnt that sent, was still in my page.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 15:45:33
Kmala specifically said in debate she is completely fine taking it if endorsed by experts/doctors, just not if only by Trump
(which Pence ignored & put out his rehearsed bullshit as if she was telling people not to take it)

and while it will almost certainly be endorsed by doctors, Trump already is criticizing FDA for not approving vaccines faster, plus managed to pressure them into doing shit early before, plus sidelines any doctor that doesn't conform to his made-up bullshit message, plus interferes w/ CDC messaging, so there IS cause for concern

the vaccine trials periodically are halting due to disturbing medical problems... like spine & neurologic issues...

so, um, no thanks... figure that out first please

it's not red tape Trump's cutting through, it's necessary time to determine effectiveness & safety (not that he has shown the slightest bit of awareness of the process)
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:53:19
Harris is politicizing vaccines. For someone who routinely denounces people for sewing doubt in institutions, public trust etc. you should be appalled at her statements as dangerous and increasing support for the antivaxer movement.

Those people are going to run with this and you know it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 16:04:36
you are determined to have her be anti-vax... her position is what any informed rational person should have

(whereas Trump has promoted that vaccines cause autism)
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 16:45:54
And if Trump has claimed that Vaxcinnes cause ASD that's wrong and is spreading BS from a discredited doctor ( was he a Dr?)

She has claimed that covid vaccines are dangerous for political reasons and has said ( then back peddled) that you cant trust scientists pretty much because Trump controls them.This assumes that Trump is coercing big pharma to release dangerous vaccines. This is qanon level conspiracy theories also with no evidence.

Where is the evidence that Trump is pressuring Eli Lily or Johnson and Johnson etc. to release dangerous vaccines?

I have seen no such evidence.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 16:54:15
she didn't say you couldn't trust scientists, she had concern they'd be silenced (which is an extremely valid concern, since they provably have been already)

"Where is the evidence that Trump is pressuring Eli Lily or Johnson and Johnson etc. to release dangerous vaccines?"

i would be shocked if he wasn't doing so actually, he has pressured everyone else to rush it

i'm not saying he will succeed, just the concern is legitimate... he pushed hydroxy, urging people to take & saying it couldn't harm you... he claims the regeneron treatment is a cure... he doesn't require any facts for his claims

now he probably won't have that same chance w/ a vaccine... but who knows what weird shit he'd pull or succeed with

he could import Russia's vaccine & try to distribute it (kinda surprised he hasn't actually :p maybe adults shut it down)
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