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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 13:13:04
Paris (CNN) - France's anti-terror prosecutor said on Friday it was investigating the decapitation of a man in a suburb of Paris.

The man was found decapitated in Éragny-sur-Oise, north-west of the French capital, and a suspect was shot dead by police, the prosecutor's office told CNN.

Police have not yet provided a timeline of when these events took place.

This is a developing story.

http://www...an-decapitated-intl/index.html
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:19:03
Its Halloween season, so I'm guessing the Ghost of Robespierre
Paramount
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:24:20
Me: Maybe it was a sunni muslim who is allied with Saudi and USA.

Habebe: In that case we don’t need to worry. Put more sanctions on Shia Iran instead, it will stop the shias from attacking the West.
Pillz
Member
Fri Oct 16 14:56:40
Russians at it again
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 15:02:40
or the Kurgan

(w/ shot guy an innocent bystander)
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:02:51
Sanctions? nah, exterminate the elites and quickly replace them with US friendly leaders.

But this is France, land of the guillotine.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 15:20:58
i think he was going w/ Sunni vs Shia

our moron prez has been easily manipulated by Netanyahu & Saudis into thinking Iran is the only source of terrorism even though it's Sunnis who are the main trouble-makers
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:22:25
Just one of sebs well adjusted migrants.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:27:03
The victim was a teacher who showed Muhammed cartoons to his kids. The muslim screamed allah ackbar and posted a photo of the severed head to twitter with the tagline "infidels".

Seb, other left-wing-nuts:

"This is fine"
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 15:29:21
tw , Sunni extremism came as a result of the Ayatollah taming over Iran.

The difference between Shia and Sunni is that Sunni natiins by and large are easier to get along with. Jordan, SA, UAE, Egypt all are easier to get along with than the Iranian government. Shia terrorism is also government sponsored and works as a wing of the Army.

Comparably Sunni terrorists are usually rogue groups that just do random acts of terror.

I personally see a greater tgreat from Hezzbollah than the Taliban/ISIS.
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 16:52:57
"How do we know the Frenchman didn't try to steal the Muslim's knife with his neck? You're hypocrites if you think Rittenhouse acted in self defense and the Muslim didn't."
-you know who
Paramount
Member
Sat Oct 17 03:02:15
” The difference between Shia and Sunni is that Sunni natiins by and large are easier to get along with.”

It is ”easier” because you decided to support their brutal authoritarian regimes. The day you decide that Egypt or Saudi is gonna be your enemy and you start to fuck with them, the regime is not going to get along with you anymore, and then you will also have all sunni fanatics in Saudi who already see you as Satan. It is not going to be easy any longer then. lol

” are easier to get along with than the Iranian government”

I wonder why the Iranian government does not like or trust the US. Something must have happened in the past.


” I personally see a greater tgreat from Hezzbollah than the Taliban/ISIS.”

Lol. It wasn’t Hezbollah who attacked you on 9/11. It isn’t Hezbollah who are beheading, shooting up people or running over people with cars in the West. It isn’t Hezbollah who is wrecking havoc in the ME – beheading westerners and shia muslims alike. It is sunni muslims from countries like Saudi. ISIS.

Hezbollah is only a minor threat to Israel if/when Israel decides to invade Lebanon (again). Or to any one else (ISIS, USA) when/if they try to fuck with Lebanon. Remember that Hezbollah was created as a direct consequence of Israel's attack on and military occupation of Lebanon.
Habebe
Member
Sat Oct 17 05:41:24
"I wonder why the Iranian government does not like or trust the US. Something must have happened in the past."

Boohoo, the west goy mad when we nationalized their oil so noe were.gking to threaten them with nukes and terrorism.

Act like.a civilized nation. The UK/Germany and Japan all have had full out wars with the US and we have managed to get along without them acting like nutjobs.

Saudi Arabia actively fought their extremists.along side the US. Iran continues to arm and organize theirs.That is the difference. We have extremists.here as well, we don't support them and use them like a proxy army.

There is a way forward with most Sunni Nations. What is the way forward with Iran?
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:22:28
Habebe
Member Sat Oct 17 05:41:24
"There is a way forward with most Sunni Nations. What is the way forward with Iran?"

Lulz. Sunni nations are responsible for Al Qaeda and ISIS. The best way forward with Iran is to remove sanctions and apologize.
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:32:40
Not even the worst murder to happen in France recently.

More of Seb's people:

http://rmx...-victorine-dartois-reports-say
habebe
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:33:49
renzo, Your confusing governments with people.

There is a reason we routinely trade and deal with Egypt, Jordan and SA and not with Iran.
habebe
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:37:53
pre Komeni, this couls be a different story. He changes the game by infusing politics fundamentally into the mix.

Iran's basis for legitimacy is their anti US actions and kicking the US out of Iran. Theyre very existence is based on a hatred of the US, how is an apology going to fix that?
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:48:36
habebe
Member Sat Oct 17 10:37:53
"Theyre very existence is based on a hatred of the US, how is an apology going to fix that?"

Not just an apology. Also a removal of sanctions.Anti-Americanism is popular in Iran because the US govt has been evil to Iran. The Iranian people chant "Death to America" (meaning the govt) not "Death to Americans."
habebe
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:55:55
I understand they differentiate between the US government and people. One of my best friends is actually Iranian, his parents fled to bucks county PA when the clerics took power.

But the regime in Iran ATM, literally derives their legitimacy from its anti US position.

It would be like if asking Israel to apologize to Hitler and try to get better relations. You can work with disagreements. But when your fundamental beleif is the the destruction of your opposition by any means your not getting anywhere.
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 17 10:57:49
habebe
Member Sat Oct 17 10:55:55
"But the regime in Iran ATM, literally derives their legitimacy from its anti US position."

So if the US govt gave the Iranian people reasons not to be anti-US, the Iranian regime would be viewed as illegitimate by its people. Sounds like a good reason to remove sanctions and apologize.
habebe
Member
Sat Oct 17 11:03:44
"So if the US govt gave the Iranian people reasons not to be anti-US"

Such as?

"the Iranian regime would be viewed as illegitimate by its people."

Thats quite a jump. If hypothetical Israel gave presents to Nazi Germany would the Germans have risen up and putsched the Nazis?
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 17 11:05:48
The Nazis would have just been happy all the Jews were in Israel and not Europe.
habebe
Member
Sat Oct 17 11:16:04
Yes well, the US has been oit of Iran for some time.
sam adams
Member
Sat Oct 17 20:33:10
"The man who beheaded a history teacher for showing Charlie Hebdo Muhammad cartoons entered France as a refugee w/his Muslim family. Additionally, a Muslim parent of one of the students had called for action. This parent’s sister joined ISIS previously."

Sebs in action.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Oct 17 22:12:57
"Boohoo, the west goy mad when we nationalized their oil so noe were.gking to threaten them with nukes and terrorism."

I mean...they nationalized their own oil.

So we installed a brutal regime that is remembered more harshly than Saddam. And when it was overthrown, we honed in on the retards who took a group of hostages (who were all returned safely), gave chemical weapons precursors to Saddam so he could gas Iranian conscripts in an offensive war, carpet bombed their navy when they mined the gulf in response to Iraqi naval attacks, and shot down a civilian jetliner in Iranian airspace - and gave the captain a medal; no apology.

And Sunnis still account for the vast majority of terrorism in the West. The Shia are content to play sandbox Game of Thrones.
Hrothgar
Member
Sat Oct 17 22:32:34
Wow that's crazy. Let a bunch of extremists zealots immigrate to your nation and when someone not of their background insults their beliefs they cut heads off! WHO KNEW!?!?
Hot Pot
Member
Sun Oct 18 01:58:57
I know it is crazy but there is a way forward with them, unlike Iran.
Habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 07:01:22
"And Sunnis still account for the vast majority of terrorism in the West. The Shia are content to play sandbox Game of Thrones."

They limit their actual attacks to the ME. Not their threats or ambitions.

The one upside of being state sponsored terrorism vs random nations is that Hezzbollah won't just attack the US at home because they know that will mean full on US led invasion of Iran.

They are also limited in a similar way to NK, and act along the same lines.

But again to clarify the big difference, The house of Saud, Egyptian government, The Jordanian government etc. Are not in control of ISIS. ISIS has gone against them as well.

Irans government has Hezbollah as a branch of the military.

Holding SA responsible for ISIS would.be like holding Merkel's government responsible for its fringe groups.Or holding Trumps.administration responsible for our fringe groups.
Habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 07:02:36
Also other than 9/11, the Sunni groups mostly stay in their sandbox as well due to similar limitations.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Oct 18 15:48:39
"Not their threats or ambitions."

I mean...who cares? We screech about Iran supporting their ally Assad while we funnelled anti-tank missiles to jihadi headchoppers.

Would we accept Bangladesh trying to tell us how to conduct relations with Canada or Mexico?

"The house of Saud, Egyptian government, The Jordanian government etc. Are not in control of ISIS."

Just funnelled weapons to them. Israel literally provided medical aid to Al-Nusra fighters.

"Holding SA responsible for ISIS would.be like holding Merkel's government responsible for its fringe groups."

Except that rich Saudis have been proven to provide the seed money to jumpstart foreign terror groups. Turks buy oil from them.

But Sebs are busy seizing Iranian tankers shipping to a sovereign government.

"Also other than 9/11, the Sunni groups mostly stay in their sandbox as well due to similar limitations."

Missing a few there. Off the top of my head:

-London bridge van
-Nice van
-Barcelona van
-Berlin truck
-Bataclan shooting
-Manchester bombing
-London bombing
-Madrid bombing
-St. Petersburg bombing
-Moroccan Nordic beheadings
-Lee Rigby stabbing
-French priest throat cut
-Filmmaker assassination
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:07:42
Who cares? how about interests. Again we have a long history of strategic alliances with the Saudis. What do we have with the Ayatollahs? absolutley zero cooperation on anything.

"Just funnelled weapons to them. Israel literally provided medical aid to Al-Nusra fighters."

Its more comolicated than that. You know who else sent them aid? we did, and trained them. None of this is with the intent of attacking US/ US interests.

At the end of the day it boild down to do we want a group who fundamentally hates us existing or a group who happens to have an extremists problem but will actively work with us controlling the region.


As for your list of attacks in europe, here were by Isis/al-Qaeda. Groups whom SA coordinated and fought alongside us.

Not to mention again US fuck ups in the area contributing to the rise of ISIS. The rise of these groups are partially direct results to the US taking out Saddaam and than handing over Iraq to the Shia and banning Baath members( Sunni). At least Saddaam kept them in line ( albe it through brutal.oppression)
Paramount
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:19:37
” Just funnelled weapons to them. Israel literally provided medical aid to Al-Nusra fighters. ”

Correct. And the Saudis has luxorous spa centers for Al-Qaida and ISIS terrorists where they can rest and relax before being sent to the front again.


Saudi opens luxury rehab resort for Al Qaeda militants

Facility for jihadists features swimming pool, spa treatments and fitness centre

http://www...al-qaeda-militants-498911.html
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:23:55
Paramount, You mean their rehab centers to help people turn away from terrorist activities?

Who was it that plotted to kill US politicia s in South Africa? who was it that literally shot rockets at US soil and US Soldiers?
Paramount
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:27:18
They are not going to turn away from it. Lol. You are delusional. Al-Qida and ISIS terrorists have been brainwashed for life. This is their religion we are talking about.
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:30:46
I didnt say it would work Honearlt it probably has similar results as drug rehab that moatly look the same.
Pillz
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:32:57
Cuckhat, take note here: habebe is an actual cuckservative, just like hot rod was.
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:35:27
Because I see Israel and SA as the lesser of two evils compared to Iran.
habebe
Member
Sun Oct 18 16:44:24
http://www...gotiations-if-re-elected%3famp

Trump claims he thinks Iran will come to the table after reelection. I have no expectation that they would get anywhere further than they did with NK...which is nowhere.
Pillz
Member
Mon Oct 19 07:55:07
You're too stupid to expect anything
Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 19 08:08:13
” You mean their rehab centers to help people turn away from terrorist activities?”

That is probably what they have to say to the public and to foreigners. But let’s be realistic. After the terrorists has spent a month at the spa, resting and getting patched up, they have been going back to Syria or elsewhere. Maybe even some has gone to France, Germany or Britain where they have stabbed or beheaded someone.
habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 08:10:59
pillz expects Trump to bring a peace deal between the Shia and Sunni.....bwahahahahaha

These are people who wpuld rathwr side with Israel ovwr the Shia.
habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 08:11:58
All that really is , its a way to say " look we tried" bwfore coalition forces find a way to handle shit.
renzo marQuez
Member
Mon Oct 19 09:55:05
habebe, the primary reason we're so antagonistic towards Iran is because Israel demands it. And we know why politicians are subservient to Israel. Campaign contributions, the threat of being called a Nazi, and probably blackmail videos (Epstein probably working with Mossad). Nothing to do with the actual interests of Americans.
habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 10:17:20
I'm mote sympathetic to the Saudis than Israel personally.
But I also grew up with Saudis, during the first gulf war one even stayed in our guest room and I went to mosque with him, he came to Church with us, good people.
Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 19 10:23:36
There’s no doubt good and friendly people in Arabia. Just like in every country. The problem is usually the regimes, the extremists and the warmongers,
habebe
Member
Mon Oct 19 10:37:02
I wont deny that growing up to the age of ten or so around Saudis and up until the early 2000s still exchanging holiday cards with many until we lost touch has given me a bias towards Saudis.

But my view comes from this mostly.
I think in order to have a more atable area one side needs to have relative dominance. Arab league nations like Egypt, Jordan, SA and the UAE as far as their regimes go have been much more accomadating to US interests than Iran's regime has.

SA is complex in its regime. The king is all powerful, BUT it's partly due to an alliance with Wahabi clerica, so there has been a bit of a tug of war between the two factions that maintains peace and stability in the nation.

People mock the efforts of the Prince but he is obviously morw willing to accept liberal more " westernized" ideas than the old hardline, I mean it sounds crazy to point to allowing women to drive as a major breakthrough but at least its in the right direction.
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