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the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 12:17:17
from a fucking moron phone call:

"Fauci is a disaster. If I listened to him, we’d have 500,000 deaths," before later saying it would be 700,000 or 800,000. "If there’s a reporter on, you can have it just the way I said it, I couldn’t care less."

Fauci is one who recommended the China ban which is the only thing Trump ever talks about (it wasn't... shocker, he lied) & wasn't remotely as significant as he pretends

Trump has never wanted to do anything else, only pushed into things in March/April, he's the one who wanted to go herd immunity (or 'herd mentality' as he calls it) from the start

he's advocated nothing since the end of April & done nothing but set bad examples & discourage precautions & lie about every aspect
Mon Oct 19 12:28:04
What specifically do you think a Biden administration will do that will help the effects of the covid situation?
Mon Oct 19 12:29:21
He'll make people who are completely by themselves wear masks. Otherwise, he'll do exactly what Trumo has done to date.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 12:35:32
according to Trump everything will open Nov 4 as closings are all a hoax to make him look bad for election
(one of his many helpful messages)

we'll see what disastrous situation we're in in January... (not just on covid, Trump will try to sabotage lots in his lame dick period out of pettiness)

minimally, Biden won't be doing all of Trump's harmful efforts w/ zero helpful efforts

seriously, name something positive he's done since end of April... even if your only goal is opening everything up, what has he done that's helped that goal?

he -definitely- has caused more spread, i can't imagine how you could argue he hasn't... both just directly at his events & more broadly with his constant messaging that it's going away, denying cases rising, discouraging masks, saying vaccine almost here, etc
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 12:48:05
"@maggieNYT There has never been a time in either of my two Campaigns when I felt we had a stronger chance of winning than we do right now. Early voting reports look far stronger than originally anticipated. Every RALLY is BOFFO."
~fucking moron


also why is he obsessed w/ Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) if she's fake news...
Mon Oct 19 12:53:30
“ He'll make people who are completely by themselves wear masks. Otherwise, he'll do exactly what Trumo has done to date.”

Roadmap for Biden is clear, h should indeed try to emulate Donald. First, lie about the COVID as much as you want, if called upon it, just tell Americans you didn’t want to worry them. Next, lick Xi’s balls a little, praising Chinese communists’ handling of the virus. Then, tell nation governors they should handle the virus, while your feds undercut the unfriendly (GOP probably) governors, outbid them for protective equipment, good stuff like that. Demand that Republican states reopen, or alternatively shut down immediately, blame Trump presidency for COVID non stop, tell fellow Americans to drink some chlorox to cure the virus. Plus masks, of course. Should be as good as Donald, that’s all you need. Biden’s presidency, should it happen, is likely to excel in everything, the bar is tremendously low
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 13:07:18
^all good points


anybody want a malt? they're boffo:

President Donald Trump was in the middle of receiving a highly classified briefing on Afghanistan at his New Jersey golf club when he suddenly craved a malted milkshake.

“Does anyone want a malt?” he asked the senior defense and intelligence officials gathered around him, an august group that included the head of the CIA’s Special Activities Center, which is responsible for covert operations and paramilitary operations. “We have the best malts, you have to try them,” Trump insisted, as he beckoned a waiter into the room where code-word classified intelligence was being discussed.

The malt episode, which took place a few months after Trump took office in 2017, became legendary inside the CIA, said three former officials. It was seen as an early harbinger of Trump’s disinterest in intelligence, which would later be borne out by the new president’s notorious resistance to reading his classified daily briefing, known as the PDB, and his impatience with the briefers, current and former officials said.

But what initially seemed like mere boredom — which demoralized intelligence officials but could potentially be managed by including pictures and charts in briefings to hold the president’s attention — later morphed into something the officials saw as more sinister: an interest in wielding intelligence as a political cudgel. Whether selectively declassified by spy chiefs he installed for their loyalty, or obscured from congressional and public scrutiny if it conflicted with his preferred narrative, intelligence became just another weapon in the president’s arsenal.

Trump’s actions, and the endless partisan battles over the Russia probe and impeachment, have left the intelligence community bruised and battered. Former Vice President Joe Biden’s advisers and allies in Congress are already thinking about what a heavy lift it will be to restore morale inside the agencies, legitimacy on Capitol Hill and public trust in the intelligence community’s leadership should Biden defeat Trump in November, according to more than a dozen people close to the candidate.

a totally unfit moron
Mon Oct 19 14:06:57
"according to Trump everything will open Nov 4 as closings are all a hoax to make him look bad for election"

There is atleast some truth in that considering the largest school district in the country had a representative use election day as a date to even consider opening up.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 14:15:53
no... just Fox News pretended that was the implication

as i noted when you mentioned this before, it makes zero sense for -California- to try to torpedo Trump w/ hoax school closures... also makes little sense that people would blame Trump for school closures since he constantly yells "OPEN SCHOOLS" (w/ no acknowledgement of any safety concerns... that's across the board for that matter)
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 14:17:28
democrats have children too you know... & there are school closings in red areas

Trump's theory is idiotic on every level
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 16:08:53
fucking moron's response to reporter asking why he's calling Biden a criminal

"Joe Biden -is- a criminal, and he's been a criminal for a long time and you're a criminal for not reporting it"

i'm glad the 'president' understands criminality so well
Mon Oct 19 16:25:19
49 x 100 posts = 4,900 delusional fraud posts, with a little help from dissenting voices to build up the count along the way.

In 1000 years there will be entire subfields of internet archeology departments devoted to the study of tumbleweed's commentaries.
Mon Oct 19 16:31:23
This has nothing to do with Fox news.

The representative for the LA school district stated they wont open until at least election day....That seems an odd date to pick.

Pretty sure it was an LA Times article I posted, not sute if they have a bias, if they did I would think it was left but I could be wrong.
Mon Oct 19 16:33:18
"In 1000 years there will be entire subfields of internet archeology departments devoted to the study of tumbleweed's commentaries."

I laughed. :)
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 16:38:38
*waves to the archaeologists*

"The representative for the LA school district stated they wont open until at least election day"

yes she said not until at least election day at the earliest... advising parents at the minimum day... next she may say not until after Thanksgiving at the earliest

again use common sense... why in fuck's hell would anyone scam close schools in Los Angeles just as a means to somehow hurt Trump? why are schools closed in red areas? & how does it hurt Trump?
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 16:44:57
for the archaeologists, & a walk down memory lane for anyone...

Experts in authoritarianism advise keeping a list of things changing, subtly, around you, so you’ll remember. Days after the 2016 presidential election, I started a list. Each week, I chronicle the ways Donald Trump has changed our country. This selection, adapted from more than 34,000 entries — or about 1 percent of the total — focuses on the norms he and his administration have broken. The List offers us a road map back to normalcy and democracy.

Week 1 - “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory” is how Richard Spencer greets members of his “alt-right” movement gathered in Washington to celebrate Donald Trump’s victory; the group, mostly male white nationalists, responds with cheers and Nazi salutes.

Week 2 - Trump says he has no legal obligation to cut ties with his businesses: “The president can’t have a conflict of interest.”

Week 3 - Trump tweets that there were “millions of people who voted illegally”; aide Kellyanne Conway and other loyalists parrot the false claim.

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte says that in a phone call with the president-elect, Trump commended him on his handling of his country’s drug war, which includes extrajudicial killings about which Duterte brags.

Trump has the first known contact by a U.S. president or president-elect with a Taiwanese leader since diplomatic ties were cut in 1979.

Week 4 - Trump will continue in his role as executive producer of “The Celebrity Apprentice.”

The Republican National committee will hold its holiday party at a Trump Hotel.

Trump’s team asks for a list of climate scientists.

Week 5 - Asked why he has availed himself of only four of 31 intelligence briefings, Trump responds, “I’m, like, a smart person.”

Kellyanne Conway says Trump is looking at ways to get around nepotism rules so he can include his daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner in his administration.

Trump criticizes Lockheed Martin in a tweet just before the market opens, and the stock craters, as traders have started to anticipate the tweets.

The president-elect excludes Twitter from a meeting of tech leaders at Trump Tower that includes Apple, Facebook, Amazon and Tesla; Politico reports that this is because Twitter’s CEO had not allowed the Trump campaign to produce a “Crooked Hillary” emoji.

Week 6 - Trump plans to keep his private security force while in office. Trump’s team instructs the State Department to turn over a list of “gender-related staffing, programming, and funding.”

Week 7 - Mar-a-Lago sells hundreds of tickets at $500+ for a New Year’s celebration attended by Trump and his family.

Week 8 - Trump repeatedly dismisses U.S. intelligence agencies’ findings on Russian hacking, referring to “Intelligence” in quotes.

Breaking decades of precedent, Trump says he will recall all Obama overseas envoys immediately on Jan. 20, before their replacements have been appointed.

Week 9 - At his first news conference in six months, Trump packs the room with paid employees, who applaud him and jeer at reporters. He says he has no plans to release his tax returns or resolve conflicts of interest, saying, “I have a no-conflict situation because I’m president.”

It is reported that Michael Flynn, who is to become Trump’s national security adviser, spoke to Russia’s envoy five times on Dec. 29, the day President Barack Obama announced sanctions on Russia.

While Trump is making calls about the cost of Lockheed’s F-35, the CEO of rival Boeing is in the room.

In Human Rights Watch’s annual report of threats to rights around the world, the United States is listed as a top threat for the first time in 27 years, citing Trump.

Week 10 - Trump plans to meet with Vladimir Putin within weeks of becoming president.

Trump refers to NATO as “obsolete.” The transition team considers a plan to evict the press corps from the White House.

Eighteen of Trump’s 23 Cabinet-level nominees are White men.

Trump’s team bans the Interior Department from Twitter after the department retweets photos of small crowds on Inauguration Day; a National Park Service spokesperson apologizes.

Within hours of Trump being sworn in, mentions of climate change, civil rights and LGBT disappear from the White House webpage. Four journalists are arrested while covering the inauguration protests.

On his first visit to the CIA, Trump says of Iraq in his speech: “We should’ve kept the oil. But, okay, maybe we’ll have another chance.”

Week 11 - After Sean Spicer lied to reporters about the inaugural crowd size, saying, “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration – period,” Kellyanne Conway defends him, saying he gave “alternative facts.”

Trump declares his Inauguration Day to be a National Day of Patriotic Devotion.

As of the Sunday evening after being sworn in, Trump still hasn’t severed his ties to his businesses, as promised.

Trump tells lawmakers that 3 to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote. The next day, Spicer repeats the lie.

Trump prepares orders to cut billions in U.S. funding for the United Nations and other international organizations.

He calls for an investigation into unfounded claims of voter fraud, then delays signing the executive order.

Several Trump insiders, including Jared Kushner and Sean Spicer, are revealed to be registered to vote in two states.

The State Department’s entire senior administrative team resigns.

Trump signs an executive order to build a wall on the southern border and says Mexico will pay for it. The Mexican president says Mexico will not be paying for it and cancels a trip to meet with Trump in Washington.

White House strategist Stephen Bannon says the media should “keep its mouth shut” and calls journalists “the opposition party.”

Trump replaces the head of the General Services Administration, which oversees the use of federal land; Trump’s Washington hotel is on federal land.

Trump signs an executive order banning citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States for the next 90 days. None of the countries have relationships with the Trump Organization. Trump says Christian refugees will be given preference.

Trump promotes Bannon, under a reorganization of the National Security Council, to a regular seat on the principals committee.

Week 12 - After a federal judge in New York issues a temporary order blocking Trump’s executive order to deport refugees arriving at U.S. airports, the Department of Homeland Security releases a statement saying it will not abide by the court order.

The voter fraud expert chosen by Trump to conduct his voter fraud investigation was registered to vote in three states.

Trump fires acting attorney general Sally Yates, saying she “betrayed” the Justice Department, after she directs the department not to defend his travel ban. The White House publicly says that any State Department employees who disagree with the travel ban should resign.

The president announces his Supreme Court nominee in a reality TV format.

After Trump’s first overseas raid ended in failure, Spicer admits that Trump was not in the Situation Room during the Yemen raid. He issued the green light while at dinner, and during the raid, Trump was busy sending unrelated, incendiary tweets.

In a phone call with his Mexican counterpart, Trump threatens to send the U.S. military to stop “bad hombres down there”; he later said he was joking.

Australian media reports that Trump’s first call with the prime minister ended prematurely after Trump berated him.

Trump opens his remarks at the National Prayer Service by attacking Arnold Schwarzenegger for low ratings on “The Apprentice.”

Trump lifts sanctions, introduced by Obama in December, on Russian security service FSB.

Citing lower sales caused by boycotts, Nordstrom and Neiman Marcus announce they will no longer carry Ivanka Trump’s brand.

Kellyanne Conway cites the “Bowling Green massacre,” which never happened, in defending Trump’s Muslim ban.

In a Fox News interview, when host Bill O’Reilly refers to Putin as a “killer,” Trump responds, “Well, you think our country is so innocent?”

Trump refers to a George W. Bush-appointed federal judge who ruled against his travel ban as a “so-called judge.”
^above just the first 12 weeks... more at link... but paywall


(& even the full list is just ~1% of entries gathered)
Mon Oct 19 16:48:42
Have you saved/archived these threads?
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 16:56:12
i have not... i trust the weird series of tubes will preserve them somehow

more from that article as kinda interesting stuff, some things i hadn't heard about, Weeks 13-20:


Week 13 - House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi calls on the FBI to probe Trump’s personal and financial ties to Russia.

Citing a petition signed by 1.5 million citizens, British officials announce that Trump will not be allowed to address Parliament during his upcoming visit.

The White House is still not open to the public; tours typically resume shortly after a new president takes office.

Trump tweets from both his personal account and the POTUS account that Nordstrom has treated his daughter unfairly; this is widely condemned by ethics experts as a clear violation of federal ethics rules; Kellyanne Conway says on Fox News, “Go buy Ivanka’s stuff is what I would say.”

Trump is not briefed before his phone call with Putin and has to ask aides about the New START treaty during the call.

Breaking seven decades of precedent, Trump says he will not include the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers in his Cabinet.

Trump asserts voter fraud in a meeting with GOP senators, falsely claiming that busloads of people from Massachusetts voted in New Hampshire.

Days after Jeff Sessions is confirmed as attorney general, federal agents start mass immigration raids in at least six states.

Shortly after the Senate confirms Betsy DeVos as secretary of education, the department removes a website of federal legal protections for disabled students.

Week 14 - During the first national security incident of Trump’s time in office, involving an escalation with North Korea, Trump is seen at Mar-a-Lago seated next to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, then conferring with a small circle of aides and Abe.

Michael Flynn becomes the third adviser to Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign forced to resign over inappropriate ties to Russia.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson makes journalists leave the room before his opening remarks at his first meeting with his Russian counterpart.

Shortly after Trump announces he will support Beijing’s “One China” policy, China awards Trump valuable rights in a 10-year trademark deal.

U.S. intelligence agencies reportedly withhold information from Trump, citing concerns that it will be leaked or compromised.

Tillerson is conspicuously absent from Trump’s meetings with heads of state; Jared Kushner is described as a “shadow secretary of state."

Six of Trump’s staffers are escorted out of the White House after failing their FBI background checks.

Trump asks White House reporter April Ryan, a Black woman, about arranging a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus: “Do you want to set up the meeting? Are they friends of yours?”

Reports say Kushner met with Time Warner executives to complain about CNN’s coverage of Trump; Time Warner had a pending merger with AT&T, which requires governmental approval.

Despite Trump’s pledge that he would not enter any new overseas deals once he took office, his sons announce the opening of a Trump-branded golf course in Dubai.

Week 15 - At a campaign-style rally in Florida, Trump refers to a Swedish terrorist attack that never happened as a rationale for his anti-immigrant policies.

The National Security Council spokesman resigns over Trump’s disturbing and repeated attempts to undermine U.S. intelligence.

Trump rescinds rules that provided protection for transgender students to use bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity.

Eric Trump’s brother-in-law is appointed to a key position at the Energy Department.

Trump announces he won’t attend the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner.

A businesswoman who touts access to China purchases a $16 million penthouse at Trump Park Avenue; Trump retains an economic interest in the property.

The State Department does not hold a daily briefing in its first month under Tillerson; daily briefings had been the norm since the 1950s.

Week 16 - Trump accuses Obama of being behind the town hall protests targeting Republican lawmakers.

Reports say the Obama administration rushed to preserve information on the Trump team’s ties to Russia, spreading it to government agencies. It’s revealed that Jeff Sessions met with the Russian ambassador twice in 2019 but did not disclose those meetings when asked during his Senate confirmation hearing.

Week 17 - Young people in a Swedish suburb say a Russian TV crew tried to bribe them to riot after Trump cited a nonexistent terrorist attack in Sweden.

Stephen Bannon and Breitbart increasingly use the term “deep state” to describe an imagined “covert resistance” to Trump. Fox News’s Sean Hannity tweets that it is time for Trump “to purge the deep state saboteurs from the government.”

Week 18 - Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney claims Obama had been “manipulating” jobs data.

Reuters reports that Russian elites invested close to $100 million in Trump luxury towers in South Florida.

With cameras rolling, Trump refuses to shake German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s hand at a meeting at the White House.

Week 19 - Ivanka Trump gets a West Wing office and a security clearance but does not get a formal government role or title.

At a news conference, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes claims that some on Trump’s transition team, including Trump, were surveilled.

A federal judge in Hawaii who ruled against Trump’s second travel ban receives multiple death threats and is under 24-hour protection.

Week 20 - Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrests five green-card applicants in Lawrence, Mass., when they show up for appointments at the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services office.

A federal judge approves a $25 million settlement between Trump University and more than 6,000 students who say they were defrauded.

Researchers say the Trump administration has been deleting scientific data on climate change collected by government agencies.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 17:01:19
weeks 21-30 of the nightmare:

Week 21 - Nearly three months after the inauguration, only 4 percent of key roles in the executive branch are filled, and 92 percent of roles still have no nominee; Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump are given much responsibility.

Ivanka Trump is granted China trademarks during a dinner with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Mar-a-Lago.

Week 22 - The administration says it will not release the White House visitor logs, breaking with a practice started under Obama.

At a news briefing, Sean Spicer uses the term “Holocaust center” rather than “concentration camp” and compares Adolf Hitler favorably to Syria’s Bashar al-Assad.

Trump says he gave authorization to “my military” to drop the “mother of all bombs” in Afghanistan.

Week 23 - ICE arrests are up nearly 33 percent in the first two months of the Trump administration, including a doubling of arrests of immigrants without criminal records.

Week 24 - Reports say the State Department and two U.S. Embassies have promoted Mar-a-Lago on their websites with a 400-word blog post.

Trump’s Agriculture Department announces that it will roll back Michelle Obama’s school nutrition standards.

Week 25 - Trump denies that Russia hacked the U.S. election, saying it “could’ve been China, could’ve been a lot of different groups.”

While in Beijing for a meeting with potential investors, Kushner’s sister refers to Jared and the EB-5 visa program.

Week 26 - The Environmental Protection Agency dismisses five scientists from a major scientific review board and says it could replace them with representatives from industries regulated by the EPA.

FBI Director James Comey becomes the third person, after Sally Yates and U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, fired by Trump while conducting investigations linked to him.

Trump tells NBC News’s Lester Holt that he was thinking about the Russia investigation when he fired Comey.

At a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak attended by Russian state media but not U.S. media, Trump reveals highly classified information on the Islamic State.

Week 27 - After Trump hosts Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the White House, Erdogan’s bodyguards viciously attack protesters outside the Turkish Embassy in Washington.

Week 28 - Infowars is given White House press credentials.

At a NATO summit in Brussels, Trump pushes the prime minister of Montenegro aside, before chastising participants for not paying their share of NATO costs.

Trump’s national security team is blindsided when he leaves out language reaffirming the U.S. commitment to Article 5, on mutual defense, from his NATO summit speech.

For the first time in almost two decades, the secretary of state declines to host a Ramadan event at the State Department.

It’s reported that Jared Kushner had at least three previously undisclosed contacts with the Russian ambassador during and after the 2016 presidential campaign, including one to set up a secret back channel.

Week 29 - Trump gives his unsecured cellphone number to world leaders and urges them to call him directly.

He tweets a half-sentence at 12:06 a.m.: “Despite the constant negative press covfefe.”

Trump announces that the United States will withdraw from the Paris climate accord, saying, “I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris.”

Week 30 - On Trump’s threat of having taped his conversations, Comey says, “Lordy, I hope there are tapes.”

Mon Oct 19 18:08:18
H O L Y autism.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 18:08:20
may post more of ^that later

from Scott Atlas (the radiologist Trump saw on Fox News & then replaced all his other medical experts with):

"POTUS and I have always stressed all appropriate mitigation measures to save lives—incl social distancing, extra hygiene, and mask wearing when one cannot social distance."

yeah... Trump is always stressing that...

seriously, wtf? why do so many feel compelled to lie for this piece of shit fraud?
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 18:18:19
they should show Scott a photo of Trump & see if he says "wait, THAT'S Trump?!?!"
Mon Oct 19 19:10:42
I would write shit like that up when I was geeked high on crystal meth.

I had my closet organized on paper to keep.track of what I had in it, color, condition, % of fibers make up.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 19:10:48
"Even without the vaccine, the pandemic's going to end. It's gonna run its course. It's gonna end. They'll go crazy. He said 'without the vaccine' -- watch, it'll be a headline tomorrow. These people are crazy. No, it's running its course. We're rounding the turn. You see the numbers, and we're rounding the turn."
~ Trump at Florida rally (plus said various ways many times)

we are rounding no corner... we probably will hit our highest new cases per day ever within the next couple Fridays (Friday seems peak reporting day)

i don't think Trump is 'see[ing] the numbers'

just like w/ everything, no knowledge whatsoever
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 22:16:53
weeks 31-40 idiocy, corruption, lies, firings, nazis & boy scouts:

Week 31 - Trump cancels his visit to Britain, where large-scale protests were expected.

Week 32 - Energy Secretary Rick Perry denies that man-made carbon dioxide emissions are the primary cause of global warming.

Week 33 - Trump’s reelection campaign pays $50,000 to a law firm representing Donald Jr. The president holds his reelection campaign kick-off event at his Washington hotel; tickets cost $35,000 per person.

Trump’s D.C. hotel has become a go-to meeting place for Washington Republican insiders, while Trump continues to profit.

Kris Kobach, head of Trump’s commission on election integrity, asks all 50 states to release voter roll data.

Week 34 - Reports say the administration has discussed using the pending merger between Time Warner and AT&T as leverage over CNN.

Donald Trump Jr. says a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 including him, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort and Natalia Veselnitskaya was held to discuss an adoption program.

Week 35 - It’s reported that conservative Sinclair Broadcasting increased “must run” segments featuring former Trump adviser Boris Epshteyn to nine times per week across its affiliates.

USA Today reports that Trump threatened to sue the U.S. Golf Association if it moved the 2017 U.S. Women’s Open from his golf club in Bedminster, N.J.

Week 36 - The Trump Organization is asking the federal government to grant dozens of special visas to allow foreign nationals to work at two of Trump’s private clubs.

Kushner files a revised financial disclosure after failing to disclose a $285 million loan his company received from Deutsche Bank a month before the election.

Week 37 - Trump says he could act more presidential than any other president except Abraham Lincoln and muses that he should be on Mount Rushmore.

Trump tweets that transgender individuals will not be allowed to serve in the military; the Pentagon was not notified in advance.

He unceremoniously fires Reince Priebus, who served the shortest time of any chief of staff in a president’s first term since World War II.

Trump delivers a highly politicized speech, attacking Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and bragging about his election victory, at the Boy Scouts’ nonpartisan National Jamboree.

Week 38 - John Kelly asserts his new authority as White House chief of staff, firing communications director Anthony Scaramucci, who has served for 11 days.

Trump introduces a bill to slash immigration levels in half over the next decade.

Trump says the head of the Boy Scouts called him to say his jamboree speech was “the greatest speech that was ever made to them”; the Boy Scouts deny any call.

Transcripts of Trump’s January call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto show that when Nieto said Mexico would not pay for the wall, Trump said, “You cannot say that to the press."

The Interior Department inspector general confirms that it is investigating Secretary Ryan Zinke’s pressure on Sen. Lisa Murkowski to vote yes on the repeal of Obamacare.

Week 39 - Trump warns North Korea against threatening American cities, saying it would “be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.”

Hundreds of white supremacists march on the University of Virginia’s campus, carrying torches and chanting “White lives matter,” “You will not replace us” and “Jews will not replace us.”

Trump initially says of the Charlottesville protests that he condemns “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides,” and white-supremacist and neo-Nazi groups rejoice.

Week 40 - After widespread condemnation, Trump doubles down, saying the white nationalists who protested included “some very fine people.”

Stephen Bannon says he views the post-Charlottesville racial strife and turmoil as a political winner for Trump. He is fired the next day.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 19 22:26:30
weeks 41-50 idiocy, corruption, lies, hypocrisy & Puerto Rico:

Week 41 - In an Instagram post later made private, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s wife brags about traveling on a chartered government plane and about the lavish fashion brands she is wearing.

Trump pardons Joe Arpaio, a former Arizona sheriff who had defied a federal court’s order to stop violating people’s constitutional rights as he cracked down on undocumented immigrants.

Week 42 - Trump is reported to call friends and outside advisers, including Bannon, from his unsecured personal phone when Chief of Staff Kelly isn’t around.

Visiting a shelter in Houston after Hurricane Harvey, Trump serves food and tells survivors, “Have a good time everybody.”

Week 43 - The president rescinds the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program (DACA).

CNN reports that Trump signed a 17-page Trump Tower Moscow letter of intent in October 2015, not long before a Republican primary debate.

Week 44 - Reports shine new light on Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who in 2013 decided not to pursue a fraud complaint against Trump University around the same time the Trump Foundation donated $25,000 to a campaign group connected to her.

Week 45 - Trump refers to Kim Jong Un as “Rocket Man” in a tweet, then retweets a GIF of himself hitting Hillary Clinton with a golf ball.

In a speech at a lunch with African leaders, Trump praises the health care of Nambia, a nonexistent country.

The Department of Homeland Security notifies election officials in 21 states that they had been targeted by Russian government hackers during the 2016 election -- their first notification, almost a year later.

Week 46 - Chuck Rosenberg, the acting head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, resigns, saying Trump has little respect for the law.

In a tear-filled plea after Hurricane Maria, San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz says, “I am begging, begging anyone who can hear us to save us from dying.” Trump attacks her for “poor leadership” and calls her “nasty.”

Week 47 - Trump rolls back Obamacare’s birth-control mandate, allowing any employer to cite religious or moral objections to covering the cost of contraceptives for employees.

Trump visits Puerto Rico two weeks after the hurricane, complaining to a crowd, “You’ve thrown our budget a little out of whack” and throwing rolls of paper towels to survivors.

Week 48 - The EPA repeals the Clean Power Plan, Obama’s signature policy to curb greenhouse gas emissions from power plants.

Under pressure to confirm Trump’s judicial nominees, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will no longer allow “blue slips,” which let senators block nominees from their state.

Week 49 - Army Reserve recruiters are instructed to stop enlisting green-card holders “until further notice.”

White House lawyers acknowledge that several Trump aides used private email servers for government business and failed to forward official records, in violation of federal record-keeping law.

Betsy DeVos’s Education Department rescinds 72 special-education policy documents that outline the rights of students with disabilities.

GEO Group, a giant private-prison company, switches the venue for its annual leadership conference to Trump National Doral.

Week 50 - White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders says all the women who accused Trump of sexual harassment are lying.

the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 11:53:18
"Joe lies. And he lies a lot. And he'll say things that are crazy. And he'll think people are supposed to believe him. And they take ads and they put ads in on things that never happened."
~ guy who lies a lot, & says crazy things & thinks people are supposed to believe him & puts ads on things that never happened
the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 12:13:29
weeks 51-60 idiocy, corruption, lies, treason, & dictator-iness:

Week 51 - Trump has nominated at least five people who are members of his clubs to senior roles in his administration.

After George Papadopoulos’s emails show that top Trump campaign officials agreed to a pre-election meeting with representatives of Putin, Trump says he was a “low level volunteer.”

Trump expresses frustration that he isn’t able to direct the Justice Department to investigate Hillary Clinton for her emails and the Steele dossier.

The FBI investigates the Puerto Rican power authority’s decision to award a $300 million contract to Whitefish Energy, which had just two employees and where Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke’s son had a summer job.

Week 52 - Special counsel Robert Mueller’s charging documents show at least nine people in the Trump orbit had contact with Russians during the campaign or transition period.

More than two dozen House Republicans have announced they won’t be running again in 2018, well above normal for midterm retirements.

After his second private “sideline” chat with Putin on an Asia trip, Trump tells reporters, “He said he didn’t meddle. I asked him again,” and calls former U.S. intelligence officials “political hacks.”

Week 53 - The NCAA champion University of South Carolina women’s basketball team becomes the latest team to decline an invitation from Trump to celebrate their championship at the White House.

Jared Kushner operates on an interim security clearance 10 months in while continuing to work on sensitive foreign policy issues.

Week 54 - Trump tweets from Mar-a-Lago that he was “PROBABLY going to be named” Time magazine’s Person of the Year, but says he would have had to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot and so he “took a pass.”

Week 55 - At an event to honor Native American “code talkers,” Trump uses his nickname for Sen. Elizabeth Warren, saying, “They call her Pocahontas,” while standing in front of a painting of Andrew Jackson.

Trump retweets three anti-Muslim videos posted by Jayda Fransen, deputy leader of Britain First, a far-right and ultra-nationalist political group. British Prime Minister Theresa May condemns Trump.

A Trump catch phrase is used in Myanmar to dismiss ongoing ethnic cleansing, with an officer in the security ministry calling the Rohingya crisis “fake news.”

Week 56 - Trump endorses Alabama’s Roy Moore for the Senate despite multiple allegations against him of sexual misconduct with underage girls. The Republican National Committee restores funding for Moore shortly afterward.

Week 57 - At a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention meeting, policy analysts are given a list of seven forbidden words: “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.”

The Federal Communications Commission votes to repeal net neutrality, a move championed by Trump appointee Ajit Pai, the agency’s chairman.

Scott Lloyd, head of Trump’s refugee resettlement program, tries to block an undocumented teen from getting an abortion while in custody.

Week 58 - Reports say the EPA paid $3,000 in March for a “sweep for covert/illegal surveillance devices” of Administrator Scott Pruitt’s office.

Trump hosts a Cabinet meeting at which each Cabinet member takes turns praising him.

The national motto on the presidential coin has been changed from “E pluribus unum” to “Make America Great Again.”

After the House passes an unpopular tax bill, Trump tells friends at a Mar-a-Lago dinner, “You all just got a lot richer.”

Week 59 - Trump shares a tweet of an image depicting the letters “CNN” squashed in a blood-like splatter beneath his shoe.

The president has spent nearly a third of his first year in office at Trump-owned properties.

Trump tells a New York Times reporter, “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.”

Week 60 - Trump signs an order disbanding his Election Integrity Commission.

Trump pushes back on assertions about his mental health in a book by Michael Wolff, tweeting that he’s “like, really smart” and a “very stable genius.”

the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 12:43:45
Melania is using her continued covid recovery as excuse to skip the first rally she was supposed to attend since June 2019

women really hate Trump... i wonder if she's angry that he infected her son
Tue Oct 20 13:00:57
She's probably consulting with her lawyer to see if there is any way she can get whatever money is left when Trump is hauled off to prison. She's very busy studying that pre-nup agreement.
Tue Oct 20 13:04:49
Update on his side kick Pence. He was up here doing a campaign stop at Dysart's Truck Stop in Bangor. About 800 people showed up.
I found it interesting that he was praising the job that Maine has been doing with the Covid 19 pandemic. We have done pretty good with less than 150 dead. The interesting part is we have a Democrat Gov. that has put her faith in the scientists to base her decisions on.
Tue Oct 20 13:18:05
You have no Covid deaths because you have no people. It's easy for a bumfuck state like Maine to not spread a disease around when theres only 43 people per square mile.

Also, I miss LePage. Sigh
the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 16:39:06
i wonder if Pence will snap out of it if Trump loses or if he will just join Trump's clubs & try to hang around him still until a restraining order imposed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 16:40:29
"Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes not wearing a mask in the White House after her interview with me. Much more to come."
~ 'President' of the United States
the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 16:50:43
weeks 61-70 idiocy, corruption, lies, shitholes, Flake shows some spine:

Week 61 - Trump ends Temporary Protected Status permits for about 200,000 Salvadorans who have lived in the country since at least 2001.

The administration quietly waives part of the punishment for five megabanks, including Deutsche Bank, that were convicted and fined for manipulating global interest rates.

At a White House meeting to discuss protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries, Trump says, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

Week 62 - Sen. Jeff Flake delivers a speech criticizing Trump for “untruths” that have eroded “trust in our vital institutions” and for repeatedly calling the media the “enemy of the people.”

A year after Trump’s inauguration, for which his inauguration committee raised a record $106.7 million, it remains unclear what happened to the leftover money.

The Washington Post reports that Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, who was at Donald Jr.’s June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, attended a black-tie inaugural party hosted by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) in 2017.

Week 63 - Senior officials say Trump affects an Indian accent when he talks about Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Trump repeatedly complains about Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, referring to him as “the Democrat from Baltimore” and saying he should be fired.

Week 64 - The Trump administration announces it will not implement new sanctions against Russia for 2016 election interference, despite a law that passed overwhelmingly in Congress.

Facing unrelenting attacks, Andrew McCabe abruptly and unexpectedly steps down as deputy FBI director.

Week 65 - It’s reported that Trump does not read his daily intelligence reports, instead relying on oral briefings.

After more than a year in office, 30 to 40 White House officials and political appointees are still operating without full security clearances, including Jared Kushner.

Trump staff secretary Rob Porter resigns after allegations of spousal abuse; senior aides to Trump knew about the allegations for months.

Week 66 - The Veterans Affairs inspector general finds that Secretary David Shulkin’s chief of staff doctored an email and made false statements to justify having taxpayers cover expenses for Shulkin’s wife on a 10-day trip to Europe.

Week 67 - Trump’s former bodyguard, Keith Schiller, who worked for Trump for nearly 20 years, is being paid $15,000 a month from a GOP slush fund.

The Department of Health and Human Services issues new guidelines and priorities for $260 million of Title X grant applications, giving preference to groups that stress abstinence at the expense of reproductive health organizations.

Week 68 - Reports say the Securities and Exchange Commission has dropped its inquiry into Apollo Global Management, which had recently given a loan to Kushner’s family business, declining to comment on why.

Reports say Kushner and the White House supported a 2017 blockade of Qatar organized by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, weeks after the Qatari finance minister declined to invest in the Kushner property 666 Fifth Avenue.

After Alec Baldwin says in an interview that impersonating Trump on SNL is “agony," Trump takes to Twitter to attack Baldwin.

Week 69 - Trump says Obama launched the Russia probe to discredit his campaign, calling it “Bigger than Watergate.”

In an unusual breach of protocol, South Korean official Chung Eui-yong announces at the White House, after a meeting with Trump, that Kim Jong Un has invited Trump to meet for negotiations, and Trump has accepted.

Trump calls NBC host Chuck Todd “a sleeping son of a bitch” and mocks Rep. Maxine Waters for calling for his impeachment, referring to her as “a low-IQ individual.”

A rider to the homeland security reauthorization bill would allow Trump to dispatch Secret Service agents to polling places nationwide during federal elections.

Week 70 - Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is fired by Trump, via tweet, hours after returning from an Africa trip.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions fires former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, who was on leave and less than 48 hours away from retiring with his full pension; McCabe learns of his firing through Sessions’s press release.

the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 17:25:41
I am pleased to inform you that, for the sake of accuracy in reporting, I am considering posting my interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes, PRIOR TO AIRTIME! This will be done so that everybody can get a glimpse of what a FAKE and BIASED interview is all about...

...Everyone should compare this terrible Electoral Intrusion with the recent interviews of Sleepy Joe Biden!
~ whiny fraud

i'm going to guess there will not be accuracy... if it happens at all... not sure why he has to 'consider' it, maybe waiting to see if his team of garbage can put together a good misleading package
Tue Oct 20 17:35:40
Clearly the interview went well

But yes, it is appropriate to call out the press over their hypocrisy on masks. If they wont take their own dire warnings about not wearing masks seriously, then why should we?
the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 19:02:14
because it has nothing to do w/ the press

at best, he's showing a member of the press messed up... in no way is it proof masks are bullshit (though that's how his side uses it, as you illustrate)
the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 22:12:26
"Before the plague came in, i had it made. I wasn't coming to Erie. I have to be honest, there's no way I was coming, I didn't have to. I would've called you & said 'hey Erie, if you have a chance get out and vote'. We had this thing won."
~ fucking moron letting the crowd in Erie, PA know how much he wants to be there

not quite as insulting as in Iowa perhaps

...but i'm sure those repeated stories from people who know him saying he doesn't really care about the little people are fake news
the wanderer
Tue Oct 20 22:55:26
"Lawyers appointed by a federal judge to identify migrant families who were separated by the Trump administration say that they have yet to track down the parents of 545 children and that about two-thirds of those parents were deported to Central America without their children, according to a filing Tuesday from the American Civil Liberties Union."


whoops... probably not much reason to keep looking, they won't recognize each other after all these years

i specifically recall some woman (Kirstjen Nielsen probably) at a WH press briefing saying they were taking the separated children and merging them w/ the unaccompanied minors... was instantly obvious to me that would be a problem the moment she said it
Wed Oct 21 06:22:26
Rugian "You have no Covid deaths because you have no people. It's easy for a bumfuck state like Maine to not spread a disease around when theres only 43 people per square mile."

You should be really proud of the Republican led state of N. Dakota. Population 762 K with the highest per capita rate of Covid 19 infections in the country. Win Win for you :)
Wed Oct 21 06:24:52
N. Dakota population density 9.7 per square mile.
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 11:56:53
Your 401k’s will crash with Biden. Massive Biden Tax and Regulation increases will destroy all that you have built! Additionally, 180 Million People will lose their Private Healthcare Plans.
~ disgusting fucking liar
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 12:04:41
Eric Bolling (Trump lover): "With COVID, is there anything that you think you could have done differently, if you had a mulligan or a do-over on one aspect of the way you handled it, what would it be?"

Trump: "Not much."

the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 12:14:47
[[ weeks 71-80 idiocy, corruption, lies, kidnapping, Kushner a Saudi asset, Trump a Russian asset ]]

Week 71 - Reports say Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman boasted that he had Kushner “in his pocket.”

Trump calls Putin to congratulate him on his reelection, despite a warning in his briefing materials that reads, “DO NOT CONGRATULATE.”

Week 72 - The Department of Housing and Urban Development scales back efforts to enforce fair housing laws; Secretary Ben Carson changes its mission statement.

Stephanie Clifford, a.k.a. Stormy Daniels, appears on “60 Minutes,” saying she stayed silent because of her fear of Trump.

Trump mocks Obama for leaving so many judicial posts vacant.

Week 73 - After weekend visits at Mar-a-Lago, where allies and Fox News hosts Jeanine Pirro and Sean Hannity told Trump he was being soft on immigration, Trump tweets about “Caravans” coming to the United States.

Amazon (whose chief executive, Jeff Bezos, owns The Washington Post) becomes the 17th company Trump has publicly disparaged since the election.

Week 74 - Thirty-eight U.S. ambassadorships remain unfilled by Trump, including posts in key countries like South Korea, Turkey, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and the European Union.

The EPA fires Mario Caraballo, a career staffer who approved an internal report undermining Administrator Pruitt’s claims that he needed around-the-clock bodyguards and other expensive protection.

The Senate approves Andrew Wheeler, a former coal lobbyist whose clients include Murray Energy, as the EPA’s deputy administrator.

The National Rifle Association acknowledges to Congress that it accepted contributions from 23 Russians, or Americans living in Russia, since 2015, saying most were for membership dues.

Trump addresses the nation about his decision to order strikes on Syria, citing al-Assad’s use of chemical weapons against his people; so far in 2018, the United States has accepted only 11 Syrian refugees.

Week 75 - Data from the DHS’s Office of Refugee Resettlement shows that more than 700 immigrant children have been taken from their parents at the border, including more than 100 under the age of 4.

More than 800 former Justice Department employees sign an open letter calling on Congress to “swiftly and forcefully respond to protect the founding principles of our Republic and the rule of law” if Trump fires Rosenstein or Mueller.

Week 76 - At a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Trump complains about Ronny Jackson’s withdrawal from consideration as VA secretary, calling Washington a “very mean place” and adding that people can be fired “as fast as they fire people in Germany.”

For the second time, Trump skips the White House correspondents’ dinner. The last president to miss the dinner was Ronald Reagan, shortly after he was shot in an assassination attempt.

Week 77 - It’s reported that the government of Qatar bought a $6.5 million apartment in New York’s Trump World Tower in January, soon after an emoluments lawsuit was thrown out.

Week 78 - Asked about separating migrant families at the border, White House Chief of Staff John Kelly says of immigrants, “They don’t integrate well; they don’t have skills.”

Reports say Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao has done an interview with her father, chairman of a shipping company in China, in front of the Transportation Department emblem.

Trump announces that the United States will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, calling it “a great embarrassment to me as a citizen and all citizens of the United States.”

Dutch lawyer Alex van der Zwaan becomes the first person convicted in the Mueller investigation to go to prison.

Week 79 - Reports say Trump has pushed Postmaster General Megan Brennan to double the rate the Postal Service charges Amazon.

Trump marks the one-year anniversary of the Mueller probe by tweeting, “Congratulations America, we are now into the second year of the greatest Witch Hunt in American History.”

Week 80 - Trump tweets, “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!”

Trump lashes out at the Mueller investigation, saying, “This whole Russia Probe is Rigged” and attacking “the 13 Angry Democrats,” a reference to Mueller’s team.

the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 12:25:01

for anyone who wants far more detailed lists from each week, they are here:


... i'm just posting what was in the article which is estimated as 1% of the entries
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 13:42:04
fucking moron is tweeting out still photos of the 60 Minutes interview... not sure what we're supposed to take away from them

...please don't watch this thing i keep hyping!!!
Wed Oct 21 14:16:56
"Massive Biden Tax and Regulation increases will destroy all that you have built!"

Biden's proposals to increase taxes and regulations are central components of his platform. Whether those will be "destructive" is a subjective judgement, but it's not exactly difficult to find analyses which say as much:

"[The authors of one study] estimate that the Biden agenda, if fully implemented, would reduce full-time equivalent employment per person by 3%, the capital stock per person by some 15%, and real GDP per capita by more than 8%. Compared to CBO estimates for these variables in 2030, this means there would be 4.9 million fewer working Americans, $2.6 trillion less in GDP, and $6,500 less in median household income."


Since all of these factors would also have an effect on 401k holdings, these would seriously harm Americans' retirement savings as well.

"180 Million People will lose their Private Healthcare Plans."

The Democrats are for Medicare for All. Biden isn't, but in his own words hes a "transitional" candidate, so he doesnt represent the direction the party is trending towards.
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 14:32:21
...so he's lying on all of it
Wed Oct 21 14:33:47
Wait, what? My point is that hes NOT lying on any of it.
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 14:39:55
his claims:

- Your 401k’s will crash with Biden.
- Massive Biden Tax and Regulation increases will destroy all that you have built!
- Additionally, 180 Million People will lose their Private Healthcare Plans.

for #1 & #2 - you provided one study estimating some negative #'s... not crash & total destruction

for #3 you concede Biden won't do this... what difference does it make if he's a transitional candidate? don't vote for the next one if you don't like their healthcare policy
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 14:42:43
also, as far as tax policy... it's not like when Trump went in, even w/ an R congress, they implemented the plan Trump was campaigning on

congress wrote it
Wed Oct 21 14:46:48
Economic stagnation isnt a problem to you? Holy shit.

I concede that Biden wouldnt be a huge advocate. I dont concede that a Biden ADMINISTRATION wouldnt do it. It absolutely is on the table as far as Ik concerned.

And Democrats in Congess are completely insane right now. If you think the prospect of Warren and Sanders writing tax law gives me comfort, then you're mistaken
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 14:51:56
'one study estimates'... is not proof of anything

have them study all the additional tax cuts Trump keeps promising... how would those work out w/ the deficit & social security?
(not that they aren't all made-up bullshit)
the wanderer
Wed Oct 21 22:25:45
President Trump’s campaign intends to monitor the technician in charge of the mute button at Thursday night’s final presidential debate.
(Fox made a whole article out of that)

nothing too petty for the child...

'he muted for 2 minutes 1 second... hoax! rigged!'
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 00:35:25
Fox headline:
"Twitter, Facebook have censored Trump 65 times, Biden zero, study says"

must be bias, as their twitter conduct is identical...
Thu Oct 22 05:04:09
If we go Medicare for all, wouldn't that mean that employers wouldn't have to fork out huge amounts to the Health Insurance industry?
Very few in America have 100% Health care coverage. Many employees have to contribute 20% of their health care Insurance premiums.
As it stands now, the larger the number in a group plan the lower the premiums. Just imagine a group of over 330 million. The wealthy can still pay for and support private luxury hospitals for themselves. The rest of us will not be trapped in shitty jobs that they hate just to provide health care for their families.
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 11:52:23
republicans don't like the peasants to get things

& 'pro-life' ends at birth
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 11:54:58
I will soon be giving a first in television history full, unedited preview of the vicious attempted “takeout” interview of me by Lesley Stahl of @60Minutes. Watch her constant interruptions & anger. Compare my full, flowing and “magnificently brilliant” answers to their “Q’s”.
~ mentally ill fraud
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 12:06:19
here's the video he put out
i listened to some, him saying the same shit he always says

including still saying the reason cases going up is because we test more... so fucking unfit...
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 12:07:25
and we get yet another double-handed water sip...
Thu Oct 22 12:10:17
PAtom, Employer based HC is one of the stupidest things they ever did.

I don't know any economist worth his salt that thought that was a good idea.

UHC government run while probably not the best. It's better than what we have and is the most realistic politically.
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 12:18:28
so vote Biden to head in a better direction
Thu Oct 22 13:26:25
Employer funded healthcare is a crock that stifles innovation and has enabled massive cost inflation.

I'm living super thriftily on a solid salary with the goal of setting enough aside to totally de-risk striking out on my own five years from now (e.g. overfunding brokerage accounts to offset a few potential years of no contributions, saving enough to bootstrap a non-capital intensive SaaS business or consultancy, saving enough to buy a house in a cheap COL area outright to minimize monthly recurring expenses).

I currently have what would have been called a Cadillac plan in 2010 lingo. 100% waived premiums for me and my dependents, nominal co-pays, low deductibles, etc.

It's totally plausible that health insurance costs for two healthy adults + a kid (maybe another by then?) would be our largest budget line item in a go-it-alone scenario. That's nonsensically out of whack. The fact that this cost is implicit for most successful people at BigCos (i.e. they pay in terms of an unknown cost to their employer that invisibly reduces their top line salary instead of from their own pocket or via an explicit tax) gives the status quo massive inertia too.

In my case, that's additional time I'm spending working at a job where I only need to give 60% effort instead of Making America Great Again by going all Elon Musk on the world, and all because health insurance for my family comes bundled part and parcel with restrictive clauses like blanket IP assignment of anything I create on or off the clock.
Thu Oct 22 13:32:17
TW , Ive said before on domestic policy I tend to be much more centered than the Republican party ( depends on the issue)

Which is Why my world wont shatter if Biden loses. I may even personally make more money ( in home care)

But I really dint like Harris. And Biden as reasonable as he comes off doesnt seem up to the task to do things. I do hope though if he gets in Yang plays a big role, he is often the smartest man in the room.
Thu Oct 22 13:51:59
60% is high actually. I probably do about 16-20 hours of honest-to-God, head down, earn-my-keep work every two weeks. Which is probably inline with most other rank-and-file knowledge workers (and why startups that work with purpose can demolish old guard companies many times their size).
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 14:23:40
i hope you didn't post that from your work computer :p

universal healthcare would be great... like on Doc Martin :p... you feel bad, go get treated, no $ concern

co-pays & deductibles are just to discourage ever going
the wanderer
Thu Oct 22 14:26:26
Jason Whitlock, a sports writer and personality with the website Outkick, asked Trump what changed his relationship with Black celebrities. Trump noted that he used to be name-dropped in many rap songs, then said, "I had a lot of good relationships. Even Oprah. Her last couple of shows. You know, it was a big deal, who was gonna be her last week; I guess her last week. I was on her show for the last week. In other words, the entire show was devoted to -- I think five different people. I was one of the five. Oprah liked me. And maybe still does, I don't know. But Oprah is great."

Trump was not on her last week... not one of the five... he was on 3.5 months before her last show

the mentally ill fraud lies about EVERY THING big & small
Thu Oct 22 15:19:29
> i hope you didn't post that from your work computer :p

Never, lol.

I don't think the admission itself would raise eyebrows. I accomplish above average amount and it's pretty results oriented here, much less "look busy for appearance's sake" than some other places I've been. "You were one of the most productive members of your team and you delivered strategically important work on time, but we fired you because we found out you could have been more productive" would be one way to run a business I guess :-). I live in a profit center and have a pretty easy case demonstrating net positive though, so the answer would probably just be "let's go out and find another chuck to work alongside this lazy, slow one so we can make even more!"

Which of course is part of the problem. Dick around on the internet during your 40 hours of required availability but still generate profit (or don't generate profit but at least by being here deprive competitors of talent?) Stay forever! Make an Uber-for-lawncare app on the side and publish it to the app store? Grounds for immediate termination!

Look at me, padding your post count w/ OT nonsense. The interest archeologists will surely cut these posts out of the abridged, essential commentaries.
the wanderer
Fri Oct 23 14:27:21
i had a temp job once that required about 1 hour of work a day for a full shift, so then i filled the rest of the time on the web mostly reading up & printing out maps and stuff for some MMORPG... i felt slightly bad but all the permanent employees were also doing nothing so i didn't want to expose that we weren't needed (the whole point of my position was allegedly the woman in next cubicle needed help... maybe if she didn't talk on the phone all day she wouldn't have... :p)

[not suggesting that's similar to your situation]
the wanderer
Fri Oct 23 14:28:19
more republicans being silenced:

I find it odd, if not curious, that the moment I hit “send” on my column that’s highly critical of Joe Biden my Wi-Fi service disconnected. Inexplicably, it will be out all day. Never happened before. Probably just a coincidence. I drove to the local store and sent the column .

BTW... I had to leave the house to send this tweet.

I’m standing in the middle of the street, but will return home now. Don’t want to get run over! So, I won’t be getting communications. Sorry. I’m sure it’s just a communications failure. Or not.
~ Gregg Jarrett (Fox News Trump propagandist)

big tech knew he was about to send an anti-Biden article and killed his internet!!!!
the wanderer
Fri Oct 23 15:02:21
My wife has the gift of premonition.
Last night she dreamed that Federal squads were in our home seizing guns, knives, “unauthorized foods” and stored water. They said we had been “reported”.
Becca awoke crying.
What happened to our freedom? She asked.
What indeed.
~ Rep. Clay Higgins (Louisiana)

he apparently forgot dreams aren't real

the craziness is spreading fast
the wanderer
Fri Oct 23 15:14:10
'going away, rounded the corner, end in sight'

a message he repeated at debate... & a message he's had since the start...

daily new cases graph:

our highest peak was July 24 (a friday): 74,818
yesterday: 74,380 (a thursday)

highest peaks on graph always on Fridays... so... today almost certainly a new record! go Trump!

+ reports of hospitals running out of room have begun

a good thing Trump never attends any task force briefings... his made-up beliefs are better, don't want to panic anyone w/ factual info

recommending people do anything at all would be terrible
the wanderer
Fri Oct 23 21:52:40

"We're not going to have a socialist president, especially a _female_ socialist president"


i wonder why women don't like him...
the wanderer
Sat Oct 24 13:14:26
"That's all I hear about now. Turn on TV, 'Covid, Covid, Covid Covid Covid.' A plane goes down, 500 people dead, they don't talk about it. 'Covid Covid Covid Covid.' By the way, on November 4th, you won't hear about it anymore ... 'please don't go and vote, Covid!'"


so in other words, it's all fake

grossly unfit psycho
the wanderer
Sat Oct 24 13:18:20
he also blames testing... and says it's media's 'fault' we are testing so much...

god damn testing...
the wanderer
Sat Oct 24 18:35:51
update to above Fri Oct 23 15:14:10 post

the new cases on friday: 82,929... smashing the old July record

if we had a fit president it may be appropriate for another virus briefing... & w/o any fucking fraud liars... w/ details by state & honest info about no fucking vaccine 'coming soon'

a fit president would be encouraging (not discouraging) yadda yadda... i've said it plenty :p

i bet after Nov 3rd it'll be red states suddenly saying 'i guess we should do something', rather than everything opening up fully & media not talking about it anymore (as fucking moron claims)
the wanderer
Sun Oct 25 00:19:24
Pence's chief of staff tested positive for coronavirus... but Pence will maintain his schedule considering himself 'essential personnel'

always setting such good examples

also... Penn State was robbed... that guy was out of bounds
the wanderer
Sun Oct 25 00:22:10
update... it's actually 5 aides of Pence who have tested positive
the wanderer
Sun Oct 25 12:44:26
piece of shit capo Mark Meadows:

Mark Meadows: “We’re not going to control the pandemic, we are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigations.”

Jake Tapper: “Why aren’t we going to get control of the pandemic?”

Meadows: “Because it is a contagious virus”


surrendering to the virus, plus more nonsense in the clip at link: denying what experts say, lying about Biden, excusing Trump rally behavior...

such total shit all around Trump
the wanderer
Sun Oct 25 16:53:46
If President Trump wins re-election, he'll move to immediately fire FBI Director Christopher Wray and also expects to replace CIA Director Gina Haspel and Defense Secretary Mark Esper, two people who've discussed these officials' fates with the president tell Axios.

The big picture: The list of planned replacements is much longer, but these are Trump's priorities, starting with Wray.

Wray and Haspel are despised and distrusted almost universally in Trump's inner circle. He would have fired both already, one official said, if not for the political headaches of acting before Nov. 3.

should come as no surprise on Wray & Esper... he's been less public on Haspel

we'll get more Ratcliffes as replacements i'm sure

vote Biden or America over
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 01:00:13
“A Pennsylvania Appeals Court turns down the Trump Administrations request for Poll Watchers to monitor satellite election offices.” @OANN
How terrible is this? We are just seeking a fair vote count. This can only lead to very bad things. Bad intentions much??? Disgraceful!!!
~ guy who claims every aspect of America is corrupt... & is the 'president'

those aren't polling places, they've never had poll watchers
Mon Oct 26 04:26:17
Republican Poll watchers all come equipped with scopes. Scopes attached to AR's.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 12:19:17
yeah, election day could be full of intimidation by Trump's cultists / militias / goons

he told 'all' of his supporters to go 'watch' at 1st debate... hopefully he's still not reiterating that message
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 12:20:32
Trump warns PA's governor that he won't forget how Wolf supposedly made it hard for him to secure a rally venue: "I'll remember it, Tom. I'm gonna remember it, Tom. 'Hello, Mr. President, this is Governor Wolf, I need help, I need help.' You know what? These people are bad."

that's what you want in a president... one w/ constant petty personal grievances influencing him...
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 13:04:34
"we're rounding the corner"
~ said today by fucking moron, said pretty much every day

perhaps he means we're going in circles, which is the only way it would make sense
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 13:15:30
George Conway believing what Trump says: (he's done similar articles in past)

I believe, more than ever, in the president.

I believe Sleepy Joe Biden and that “monster” Kamala D. Harris would turn America into a “socialist hellhole,” and we’d all have “to speak Chinese.” I believe they “want to take out the cows” and “any form of animals.” There will be “no airplanes,” they’ll “rip down the Empire State Building,” and we’ll only have “little, tiny windows.”

I believe Sleepy Joe leads an “organized crime family.” I believe he and President Barack Obama committed “the greatest political crime in the history of our country,” and it will be “a very sad, sad situation” if the attorney general doesn’t indict them.

I believe Hunter Biden is a criminal, because someone got hold of his “laptop from hell,” and because of some guy named Bobulinski, whoever he is. I believe Fake News reporters are also criminals because they won’t report this.

I believe the laptop didn’t come from Russian intelligence. I believe Hunter Biden flew from his home in Los Angeles to Philadelphia, and then took a train to Delaware, because he needed a legally blind repairman there to fix his laptop. I believe Rudy Giuliani when he says the odds are “no better than 50/50” he worked with a Russian agent to dig up dirt on the Bidens.

I believe “the president knows all about this” dirt-digging, so all the dirt must be true. I believe Giuliani may have been duped by fake Kazakh rubes but could never be conned by real Russian spies.

I believe Giuliani was just tucking in his shirt.

I believe the president doesn’t know much about QAnon other than “they like me very much,” and that it’s not “a bad thing” they are “very much against pedophilia.” I believe people should be able to make up their own minds whether Biden had Seal Team Six killed to cover up the faking of Osama bin Laden’s death.

I believe Harris is “nasty,” a “communist” and a “madwoman.” I believe we can’t have “a socialist president — especially a female socialist president.” I believe she has a funny name, and it’s possible “she doesn’t meet the requirements” for the vice presidency because her parents were born abroad.

I believe the president is the “least racist person” in any room he’s in. I believe it was fine for him to tell the Proud Boys to “stand by,” because “somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.” I believe “corona” sounds like a “beautiful seaside island in Italy,” and so we must say “China plague.”

I believe the president has already announced his new, “incredible” health care plan, and it’s something “nobody has seen … before.” But I believe if it hasn’t been announced yet, it will be “very soon,” perhaps in two weeks. I believe that the president will improve on Obamacare by getting the Supreme Court to “end it,” which would be “so good.”

I believe it was the strategy of a stable genius for the president to urge Congress to pass a stimulus bill, and then, three days later, refuse to negotiate one, and then, seven hours after that, demand Congress “IMMEDIATELY Approve” one.

I believe the president was “not looking to be dishonest” about the China virus and that he played it down because he didn’t want “to create a panic.” I also believe he “up-played” it. I believe he doesn’t and shouldn’t “take responsibility at all” for his handling of it, but that he does take “full responsibility” and that it’s not his fault.

I believe the virus “affects virtually nobody,” and that the death count would be “very low” if we didn’t count Democrat states. I believe doctors and hospitals have overcounted deaths because they “get more money” for doing so.

I believe we’re “rounding the final turn” with the virus and that we have more new cases than ever because we have “the best testing in the world by far.” I believe other countries test only “when somebody comes into the hospital and throws up all over the floor.”

I believe we will develop “herd mentality,” which will make the virus “go away.” I believe a vaccine is “ready,” coming “momentarily,” “within weeks.” And I believe Deborah Birx is “Pathetic!” for saying the virus was “extraordinarily widespread,” that Anthony S. Fauci, who has “been here for 500 years,” is a “disaster,” and that all the scientists are “idiots.”

I believe the Fake News people are “dumb bastards” because “all they cover” is “covid, covid, pandemic, covid, covid,” because “they’re trying to scare everybody” from voting. I believe it “should be an election law violation!” I believe that “on November 4, you won’t hear about it anymore.”

I believe “the Fake News only shows the Fake Polls.” That includes Fox News, whose polls are “totally FAKE.” I believe a “SILENT MAJORITY!” supports the president — look at all those boaters. I believe he has a 96 percent approval rating among Republicans — up from 93 percent, 94 percent and 95 percent.

I believe “the ballots are out of control,” and people should vote by mail and then vote again in person, to test the system. I believe the only way the president will lose “is if the election is rigged” and that he’s right not to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.

I believe the president will not only win, but he’ll also “negotiate” a third term, which he’s entitled to because Obama and Biden spied on him.

I believe that if the president somehow does lose, he might “have to leave the country.” I believe he probably should.
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 13:24:34
Cases up because we TEST, TEST, TEST. A Fake News Media Conspiracy. Many young people who heal very fast. 99.9%. Corrupt Media conspiracy at all time high. On November 4th., topic will totally change. VOTE!
~ fucking moron

cases are up way more than testing... as any remotely fit president would know... no conspiracy

i seem to always know more than him... almost anyone knows more than him as he knows nothing

he doesn't care what the truth is, he says whatever sounds best for him in the moment, that's all he ever does

disprove that
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 13:25:38
The Fake News Media is riding COVID, COVID, COVID, all the way to the Election. Losers!
~ fucking moron

it's not adding much to prior one, but just so ridiculously stupid & immature...
the wanderer
Mon Oct 26 13:33:10
We have made tremendous progress with the China Virus, but the Fake News refuses to talk about it this close to the Election. COVID, COVID, COVID is being used by them, in total coordination, in order to change our great early election numbers.Should be an election law violation!
~ fucking moron...

i didn't know there'd be 3 stupid ones on same topic

"total coordination"... yeah all media noting that the virus that just hit record highs... very suspicious

also "election law violation" to talk about it



also of extreme concern is how he is still focused on "they spied on my campaign" & saying if Barr doesn't charge he won't forget about it... plus wanting to replace Wray (FBI) / Haspel (CIA) / Esper (DoD) as they aren't on board w/ his craziness (although Esper seems to be sometimes, just not enough i guess)

we saw who he picks when the guardrails off (Ratcliffe to DNI) a totally unacceptable pick, a 100% partisan Trump loyalist hack


you are nuts if you do... totally nuts
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 12:55:17
NEW: Previously un-released documents show the government has paid $2.5 million to @realdonaldtrump's businesses. Far more than we knew.

Trump Org charged $7,700 for a dinner, $6,000 for floral arrangements... and $3 for POTUS’s own glass of water.


full article, including many millions from political allies & campaign funds:

President Trump welcomed the Japanese prime minister at Mar-a-Lago, in front of a towering arrangement of roses. The two could have met in Washington, but Trump said his private club was a more comfortable alternative.

“It is, indeed, the Southern White House,” Trump said, greeting Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in front of the press.

For Trump, there was another, hidden benefit. Money.

At Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s company would get paid to host his summit.

In the next two days, as Trump and Abe talked about trade and North Korea, Trump’s Palm Beach, Fla., club billed the U.S. government $13,700 for guest rooms, $16,500 for food and wine and $6,000 for the roses and other floral arrangements.

Trump’s club even charged for the smallest of services. When Trump and Abe met alone, with no food served, the government still got a bill for what they drank.

“Bilateral meeting,” the bill said. “Water.” $3 each.

Those payments from April 2018, revealed here for the first time, are part of a long-running pattern whose scope has become clear only in recent months.

Since his first month in office, Trump has used his power to direct millions from U.S. taxpayers — and from his political supporters — into his own businesses. The Washington Post has sought to compile examples of this spending through open records requests and a lawsuit.

In all, he has received at least $8.1 million from these two sources since he took office, those documents and publicly available records show.

The president brought taxpayer money to his businesses simply by bringing himself. He’s visited his hotels and clubs more than 280 times now, making them a familiar backdrop for his presidency. And in doing so, he has turned those properties into magnets for GOP events, including glitzy fundraisers for his own reelection campaign, where big donors go to see and be seen.

Trump says the reason is comfort. “People like my product, what can I tell you, can’t help it,” he told reporters last year.

But documents show that visits by Trump, his family and his supporters have turned the government and the Republican Party into regular customers for the family business.

In the case of the government, Trump’s visits turned it into a captive customer, newly revealed documents show. What the government needed from Trump’s properties, it had to buy from Trump’s company.

So the more he went, the more he got. Since 2017, Trump’s company has charged taxpayers for hotel rooms, ballrooms, cottages, rental houses, golf carts, votive candles, floating candles, candelabras, furniture moving, resort fees, decorative palm trees, strip steak, chocolate cake, breakfast buffets, $88 bottles of wine and $1,000 worth of liquor for White House aides. And water.

Read the documents: Mar-a-Lago Club billing from 2018 visit of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe

In addition, Trump’s campaign and fundraising committee paid $5.6 million to his companies since his inauguration in January 2017. Those payments — turning campaign donations into private revenue — continued even this year, as Trump fell behind in polls and his campaign ran short of money.

The combined total of these payments was more than Trump’s hotels in Vancouver and Hawaii brought him during the same period, according to financial disclosures.

The Trump Organization is not prohibited from accepting the payments. But the payments did break a key promise from 2016: Trump’s pledge that he would “completely isolate” himself from his business once in office, and put his voters’ interests above his own.

“If I win, I may never see my property — I may never see these places again,” Trump said on the campaign trail then. “Because I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf. Believe me.”

Trump still owns his businesses, but says he’s given day-to-day control to his eldest sons. There is no official total of what Trump’s company has been paid by the government and Trump’s campaign since he took office. The company and the campaign have both declined to say, and did not respond to questions for this story.

White House spokesman Judd Deere also declined to give a total.

“Any suggestion that the President has used his own official travel or the federal government as a way to profit off of taxpayers is an absolute disgrace and lie,” Deere said in a statement.

Without an official accounting of these payments, The Post has sought to compile its own.

It relied on public databases of campaign spending, and hundreds of pages of federal spending records — obtained via public-records requests, public-records lawsuits and other means.

The result is a never-before-seen portrait of the presidency as a revenue stream.

While Trump was publicly donating his $400,000 annual presidential salary, he was privately using his power to bring his businesses far more than that.

“Americans elect a president to serve the people, not profit off them. Yet President Trump exploits his office to line his pockets with taxpayer dollars,” said Ryan Shapiro of the group Property of the People, whose lawsuits and public-records requests helped bring some of the earliest details of this spending to light.

Much spending remains hidden, because some federal agencies — including the State Department, and the White House itself — have declined to release records. “The amounts we’re seeing are just the tip of the iceberg,” Shapiro said.
Taxpayer payments

The payments from taxpayers to Mar-a-Lago started in Trump’s first full month on the job, February 2017.

He was meeting Abe at the club. His aides would need rooms. According to federal policy, the most they could pay was $182.

But Mar-a-Lago was not charging $182.

“[There’s] a five bedroom house that three of the senior staff are staying in at $2,600 per night,” State Department employee Michael Dobbs wrote his colleagues, in an email later released to the public. “The two other Senior staffers (Bannon and Walsh) are expected to be charged $546 for their rooms.”

Within the State Department, emails show, officials did not seem inclined to fight. Federal rules allowed them to pay up to three times the normal limit — $546, in this case — with authorization. And the White House had authorized it. (Months later, Mar-a-Lago lowered the rate it charged the State Department to $396.15 per night, and provided partial refunds for some of the earlier charges above that.)

Within the White House, one former official said, some officials grumbled about holding the events at Mar-a-Lago. The events required dozens of staffers and enormous logistics, which had to be shoehorned into a private club on a narrow island full of other, nosy, paying guests. And there were some ethics concerns about the president repeatedly visiting his own properties.

“It’s a hell of a lot easier to do it at the White House, which is set up for it,” the former official said, speaking — like others — on the condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak publicly. “It’s a pain in the [posterior] having those guys down there for the staff.”

Foreign leaders also sought the prestige of visiting the president at his vacation home because they believed it showed a close bond with the United States, two former officials said.

But Trump returned, two months later, with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

“He was truly of the opinion that his property was better than anyone else’s property. And he wanted you to know it,” the former official said.

And Mar-a-Lago’s bills only got bigger that time, according to State Department records newly obtained by The Post. Now, there were florist bills: When Trump visited with Xi Jinping of China in April 2017, the club had started charging for flowers, and $50 per palm for decorative palm trees.

That same weekend, a group of White House staffers gathered in a Mar-a-Lago bar adorned with a large portrait of Trump wearing tennis whites. They kicked out the bartender “so they could speak confidentially,” according to an email Mar-a-Lago’s catering director sent to the State Department later.

The group then helped themselves to the contents of the bar: 26 servings of Patron and Don Julio tequila, 22 Chopin vodkas, and 6 glasses of Woodford Reserve bourbon, documents show.

The bill to the government: $1,005.60, including service charge. The State Department refused to pay, emails show. But ProPublica — which first revealed this bill — reported that the White House eventually did. (The White House has not responded to questions asking how much it has paid Trump’s clubs out of its own budget).

But the most expensive — and most famous — event of the weekend was the formal dinner for 30, where Trump informed Xi about U.S. missile strikes against Syria during dessert. “The most beautiful piece of chocolate cake that you’ve ever seen,” Trump later said in an interview with Fox Business Network.

Taxpayers likely paid for that: Mar-a-Lago charged $7,700 for that dinner, a charge that appears to have covered Trump’s food, as well.

Trump returned to the club a year later for another summit with Abe. The mood that time was more tense, with North Korean missile threats looming over the two leaders.

In preparation, Mar-a-Lago bought $6,000 worth of floral arrangements.

The list of preparations filled a full page: There were three kinds of candles (votive, floating, candelabra), centerpieces, vases — and a floral plan for even the smallest of meetings. Even “National Security Council pre-briefs” got their own centerpieces, the bill showed.

Taxpayers were billed for all of it, records show.

Mar-a-Lago’s florist, Julie Miner, declined to comment, citing a nondisclosure agreement.

A White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters, defended Trump, saying “the President has hosted near 100 head of state/government visits since 2017” and only a fraction were at his own properties.

But, last year, Trump sought to award his own company a much bigger event: the massive Group of Seven summit, which Trump gave to his Doral golf club in Miami. That event would have brought hundreds of foreign and U.S. officials to that property. Trump reversed the decision days later, retreating under public pressure — and resistance from his own aides.

His visits brought another customer: The Secret Service.

When Trump visited Mar-a-Lago for two weeks at Christmas last year, for example, the club charged the Secret Service $32,400 for guest rooms.

In addition, Trump’s adult children have brought their father’s company another $260,000 in taxpayer revenue on their own, records show, by taking solo trips to Trump properties with their own Secret Service agents in tow.

And, in some cases, Trump’s properties even got paid on days when no Trumps were present at all.

In Bedminster, N.J., for instance, Trump’s club has charged the Secret Service $17,000 per month to rent a cottage from May to November — even on days when the family is absent. That’s an unusually high rate for the area, but a former Trump administration official said they had to pay it — to be ready, if Trump suddenly decided to visit.

Defense Department records recently obtained by The Post show a similar pattern of $17,000 payments to Trump’s club in Bedminster in recent years. Pentagon officials declined to answer questions about whether they have a cottage there, too.

In the past, the Trump Organization has defended its actions with two arguments. One is that — even if it wanted to — it couldn’t do all this for free.

“Legally, by law, you have to charge the federal government something, otherwise you get into all sorts of gift laws,” Eric Trump told Fox News in February. Eric Trump has not specified what laws he is referring to.

Ethics experts said they were baffled by that claim, since the agencies that the Trump Organization is known to have charged the most — the departments of Homeland Security, State and Defense — all have policies allowing them to accept gifts under some circumstances.

“There’s nothing that would prohibit any government employee, including the president, from offering the government something for free” if those circumstances are met, said Don W. Fox, who was acting director of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics under President Barack Obama.

The Trump Organization’s second argument has been that — though it must charge the government something — it charges only enough to cover its costs. “If my father travels, they stay at our properties for free. Meaning, like, cost for housekeeping,” Eric Trump told Yahoo Finance last year. “If they were to go to a hotel across the street, they’d be charging them $500 a night, whereas, you know we charge them, like 50 bucks.”

Among the hundreds of transactions reviewed by The Post, there were about two dozen payments that came close to that description: On three occasions when Trump visited his hotel in Las Vegas, for instance, the Defense Department reported paying just $74.51 per night for rooms. The Defense Department declined to comment about those payments.

But, in cases where The Post could determine what room rate was charged, the Trump Organization mostly appeared to charge the maximum allowed under federal spending rules.

Or more.

At Mar-a-Lago, the government was charged rates ranging from $396.15 to $650 per room, according to documents obtained by The Post and people who have seen other, unredacted receipts. The rate for the cottage at Bedminster worked out to $566 per night. Once, when Donald Trump Jr. stopped at the Trump hotel in Vancouver, the Secret Service was charged $611 per night for his agents’ rooms. The Trump Organization has not commented on these higher charges.

Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime “fixer” and attorney, said he saw no sign of a discount in those rates.

“That’s what anybody coming in would pay,” said Cohen, who worked at the Trump Organization through the beginning of Trump’s term. This year, he was released early from federal prison, after pleading guilty to campaign-finance violations and lying to Congress.
Campaign donors

The use of campaign donations to pay Trump’s businesses is not new: During the 2016 race, his campaign paid them about $12.5 million. But that time, Trump put in far more money than he got out, contributing $66 million to his own campaign.

In the 2020 campaign, he’s done the opposite.

Trump has donated a mere $8,020 to his 2020 campaign as of Oct. 14, records show. But his campaign and affiliated fundraising committees paid at least $5.6 million out to his companies. The two committees spent nearly $1 million from Sept. 1 through Oct. 14, including $97,000 for lodging at Trump hotels and nearly $800,000 for catering and ballroom rentals, records show.

RNC and campaign officials have said Trump has never ordered them to visit his clubs — but it was understood that he is more likely to attend if an event is at one of his properties.

In those two months, Trump held five campaign events at his properties — including two in the same day. On Sept. 25, he held a “Latinos for Trump” event at his Doral resort in the morning and a fundraiser at his D.C. hotel in the evening.

Trump had planned another campaign event at his D.C. hotel, but it was canceled after he tested positive for the coronavirus. His campaign is expected to commemorate election night there next week.

Paul Seamus Ryan, of the nonprofit group Common Cause, said it was legal for candidates to rent things from their own business — as long as they appeared to be paying market rates and not overcharging.

But, Ryan said, he had never seen anyone do it at the scale Trump has.

“It’s extremely unusual. Unprecedented, in my experience — 20 years or so, watchdogging money in elections,” said Ryan, an election-law expert.

Trump’s campaign spends about $40,000 per month to rent office space in Trump Tower in Manhattan, which in 2016 served as its campaign headquarters. But this year, the campaign headquarters is not in Trump Tower. It’s in Arlington, Va. None of Trump’s key staff is in New York, and Trump no longer regularly visits there.

The Trump campaign and the Trump Organization both declined to answer questions on the record about what happens now in the Trump Tower space.

Trump’s campaign and joint fundraising committee have also paid $3.2 million to rent banquet space for fundraisers at Trump properties. Campaign officials have said this is a decision that pleases both Trump and his big donors, who feel at home inside Mar-a-Lago and the Trump hotel in Washington.

In recent months, something unexpected happened to Trump’s campaign — once called a “Death Star” by former campaign manager Brad Parscale. Several campaign officials have said they could use more money for television ads in the final stretch.

It started to run short of money. The campaign’s cash on hand shrank down to $43 million, far less than that of Democratic rival Joe Biden. That was surprisingly little, for a campaign that started raising money far earlier than past incumbents seeking reelection: Trump’s 2020 campaign had been fundraising since before Trump took office in 2017. The campaign has canceled TV ad buys in key states such as Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio. In emails to prospective donors, Trump asked for money in capital letters.

“You’ve never let me down before and I know you won’t start now,” Trump wrote on Sept. 23. “Contribute ANY AMOUNT RIGHT NOW.”

The next day, Trump’s campaign paid Trump’s business $40,000 in rent, for that space in Trump Tower.

that last part particularly irritating... he's paid himself $40,000 a month out of campaign donations since 2015 for shitty space in Trump Tower that apparently they aren't even using
(that's $ millions alone)

and to top it off the Fox types praised his supposed frugalness in using shitty office space instead of something nicer... not noticing he's paying himself top dollar for probably the shittiest space in the building that no one else would pay that much for

the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 13:02:05
"A US citizen has been abducted in Niger, the US State Department confirms"

we've all been hoping mentally-challenged Trump would have to mention Niger...

please make Trump comment on this :p
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 13:32:04
"It would be very very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on November 3rd, instead of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate and I don't believe that that's by our laws. I don't believe that. So we'll see what happens.”
~ fucking moron

he doesn't believe it's lawful to count ballots after Nov 3rd

i'm glad he's so up on law all the time... as head of the branch in charge of executing laws
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 15:18:06
"We’re getting your husbands back to work"

between that and the push for better dishwashers, those suburban housewives must be flocking to him
Tue Oct 27 15:39:24
^He's doing three rallies today...he's probably a little exhausted at this point.
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 17:57:28
on the kidnap/murder plot against Gov Whitmer:

"I'm the one, it was our people that helped her out with her problem. I mean, we'll have to see if it's a problem. Right? People are entitled to say maybe it was a problem, maybe it wasn't. It was our people -- my people, our people that helped her out. And then she blamed me for it. She blamed me and it was our people that helped her. I don't get it."

<warning: sharp audio>

i'm pretty sure kidnapping/murdering governors is a bad thing... is he waffling as he can't even criticize his supporters if they try to kidnap/kill a governor??

and i'm 100% positive he had nothing to do w/ FBI helping her... & FBI agents are not 'his'
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 18:21:06
fucking moron still talking about how we're staying in Syria to 'keep the oil'...

& lots of other stupidity in that thread... like him still saying 'hydrosonic' missiles
Tue Oct 27 18:55:10
They were not fans of Trump anyway.

He should be happy about the riots in Philly it can only help his election.
Tue Oct 27 19:12:37
Its a shame , honestly I like 50% of Biden's domestic policy UHC, 15$ MW, even the 12.6% tax hike on over 400k.

Not all the SJW shit and hs domestic policy I oppose like 90% of his foriegn policy. And I really dont like Kamala, much rather prefer Tulsi , its still a women of color that would have been a fair compromise.

1. I like the Saudis.
2. I don't like the weak stances on China and Iran.
3. Trade deals.
4. Paris accord/green new deal....Im actually like 60% Trumps stance and 40% Biden's, maybe 70/30.

I could live with either though.
Tue Oct 27 19:31:08
Hey TW

Fuck you. RED WAVE INCOMING!!!!!!!
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