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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 22:16:39
hey Rugian,

if you mean by the urban dictionary definition & that a horde of man-hating feminists (& any women really) may be sync'd up & ready to wash away the old white men party, then maybe


@habebe... add in character to your analysis, not just policies... vote Biden, be on the right side of history
Habebe
Member
Tue Oct 27 22:26:34
The problem is I'm an asshole and while heartedly support Trumps Trumpiness, its his best selling point. All due respect but Biden comes off as weak and old. He just happens to have better domestic* economic policies.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 22:32:04
do you enjoy team Trump constantly deliberately trying to deceive you?

he's not intending for you to be in on it, you are the audience
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 27 22:36:56
also are you going to be ok w/ a Ratcliffe heading FBI & a Ratcliffe heading CIA & Ratcliffes everywhere else?

the corruption will rise continuously & the guardrails are gone... R's have allowed the WH to no longer provide anything at all to Congress in its oversight role (w/o years long court fights)

+ he just appoints everyone in 'acting' positions to avoid congressional approval on those
Habebe
Member
Tue Oct 27 22:41:25
This conversation is going to devolve into a similar path.

On the upside I won't too disapponted either way.

I seen " cancer man" light his smoke with a Zippo that says "Trust no one".

Trumps lies are out in the open and obvious. Better than shadier methods I guess.

We will disagree on this, but I also truly beleive he tries to act in the best interest of the country overall , he to a selfish sense of pride, but im ok with that.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 00:18:39
he spends all his time talking about personal grievances & lying rather than anything helpful but whatever... make a really bad decision
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 00:20:59
story:

Omaha police: “allocated parking at today's TRUMP rally is full. The shuttles will no longer be transporting people to the event. You will not be able to access the rally by foot, UBER, cab or any other means of transportation. Parking not allowed in surrounding neighborhoods”

http://twitter.com/KETV/status/1321234280866029569


after rally:

President Trump took off in Air Force One 1 hr 20 minutes ago, but thousands of his supporters remain stranded on a dark road outside the rally. “We need at least 30 more buses,” an Omaha police officer just said, shaking his head at the chaotic cluster that is unfolding.
~ reporter


he doesn't give a single shit about any of those pawns...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 00:21:53
some related scanner chatter
http://twitter.com/taber/status/1321305961861177345/photo/1
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 00:28:15
some of the scanner stuff:

-----

One officer advising 8 to 9 elderly people who are struggling. Seperate officer advising they have located an elderly party who is frozen cold unable to move with an altered mental status.

Another officer advising they have an elderly male down.

...

For reference, it's around a 3.7 mile walk from TAC Air to the South Economy parking lot at Eppley.

#MedicalBranch of #TACAirIC reports at least 30 patient contacts and 7 patient transports to hospital.

------

and in a couple weeks the covid cases will show up...
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 00:56:16
" persinal grievances" bit is a dnc talking point Ive head them all repeat it....
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 01:35:09
you don't notice it? he's still talking of Hillary's emails & 'they spied on my campaign' & basically how everyone is lying to make him look bad (CDC, Fauci, Wray (FBI), media, doctors (covid testing), etc) & people not talking enough about his Nobel nominations... so much nonsense
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 01:48:15
& saying he'll get revenge on the PA governor for making it hard for him to get a rally site somewhere (which was probably due to the pandemic... which we are not rounding a corner on)

...that's grossly unfit behavior (as usual)
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 02:52:44
Im not saying he doesnt make statements about personal greivances but again, pots calling the kettle black.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 12:13:14
there is no equivalence at all

Biden is his opponent, i can't name anything analogous from his events (which he IS doing, he's not 'in the basement')
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 12:20:07
The Democrats' personal grievance is that they lost the 2016 election, which they thought they were "entitled" to win. They've been in total meltdown mode ever since.
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 12:20:56
Also I can't believe you actually looked up the UD definition of red wave. Rofl
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 12:33:39
i didn't have to look it up, i thought it was common knowledge which is why i was surprised you used it :p i only looked it up after to see maybe not common knowledge

& you can't compare Trump to every person on the left collectively

Trump is every bad element imaginable all in one ball

which Red governor is Biden threatening to withhold gov't aid from if he's president? which gov't agencies/experts is Biden calling (equivalent of) deep state liars to make him look bad?

so much ridiculously unfit behavior
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 12:37:21
Project Lincoln ad about that rally end debacle:
http://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1321501411314556933

recall they also had that white house event w/ no plan for the ending either... the rich assholes just walking out into protesters
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 12:43:51
speaking of using urban dictionary... when Gov Whitmer had an '86 45' pin in her live shot, Team Trump claimed she was calling for Trump's assassination citing an urban dictionary definition of "86'd" & an edited wikipedia entry
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 12:47:16
the tweet of that^
http://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1317894367437332484

deliberate deception
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 12:51:44
another bailout of failure Trump revealed:

"
President Trump had $287 million in debt forgiven within the past decade, with most of it related to his Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.

The Times, citing federal income tax records that it obtained, reported that lenders forgave hundreds of millions in debt since 2010 that Trump did not repay, amounting to most of what Trump had owed.

His lenders, Deutsche Bank and the hedge fund Fortress Investment Group, gave Trump leeway, including extra time to pay his loans, the newspaper reported, citing information from tax returns, interviews and other records.

New York Attorney General Letitia James’s (D) investigation into Trump’s business includes questions about the forgiven debts, the Times noted, as the Internal Revenue Service mandates forgiven debts to be taxed as income.

But the newspaper reports that Trump’s tax records appear to show the current president paid almost no federal income tax on the forgiven debts partly due to large losses in other businesses.

Alan Garten, the Trump Organization’s chief legal officer, told the Times that the company and Trump appropriately paid for all taxes due on the forgiven debt.

“These were all arm’s length transactions that were voluntarily entered into between sophisticated parties many years ago in the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crisis and the resulting collapse of the real estate markets,” Garten said.

The Hill has reached out to the Trump Organization for comment.

Deutsche Bank agreed to loan Trump’s LLC $640 million for the Chicago project, including $40 million personally guaranteed by Trump. He also borrowed $130 million from Fortress Investment Group as part of a deal with a double-digit interest rate and an additional fee of $49 million when repaying the loan, the Times reported.

The agreements were signed in 2005 and originally due May 2008, when Trump expected to have generated enough money from the property to pay off the loans. But construction delays and the lack of selling of condos and real estate space resulted in the company not having the money in time.

As the financial crisis began to develop, Trump asked for and received a six-month delay for the loan repayment for Deutsche Bank, and when that deadline came, the bank refused future postponement. At that time, Trump owed Deutsche Bank about $334 million with interest and Fortress about $130 million without interest, the Times reported.

Trump filed a lawsuit against the lenders, saying Deutsche Bank engaged in “predatory lending practices.” Deutsche Bank filed its own lawsuit against the future president, requesting repayment of the loans. The two sides settled privately in 2010.

Trump’s federal tax returns and loan documents filed in Cook County, Illinois, appear to show that he was no longer held responsible for paying some $270 million, the Times found.

Fortress had originally expected to be paid more than $300 million from Trump’s business but instead settled for $48 million, people familiar with the deal told the newspaper.

The Times reported that the forgiven debts appeared in the federal tax returns, with Trump's 401 Mezz Venture reporting about $181 million in canceled debts in 2010, and DJT Holdings, the umbrella company for the Chicago project, reporting $105 million forgiven in 2012.

Steven Schlesinger, a lawyer who represented the Trump Organization in the Chicago legal battle, told the newspaper that the 2010 settlement allowed Trump time to garner more money to pay what he owed. The Trump Organization paid about $235 million of the Deutsche Bank loan by 2012.

But the current president paid the last $99 million to the bank through other Deutsche Bank loans that he agreed to personally guarantee in 2012. The loans will be due in 2023 and 2024.
"
http://the...ed-to-chicago-project-forgiven

i wonder what his credit rating is
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 13:23:54
what would be nice...

Biden wins

team Trump garbage manage a special prosecutor on Hunter Biden

Joe says fuck-all about the investigation as it goes instead of constantly smearing it & obstructing it

a good example set
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 14:42:09
"
Why isn’t Twitter trending Biden corruption? It’s the biggest, and most credible, story anywhere in the world. Fake Trending!!!
"
~ that's our 'president'
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 15:18:11
"
In California, you have a special mask. You cannot under any circumstances take it off. You have to eat through the mask. Right?...It's a very complex mechanism. And they don't realize, those germs, they go through it like nothing.
"
~ TOTAL FUCKING MORON seems to have believed that Babylon Bee story he tweeted awhile back

as i figured he would...

do NOT vote for a guy who believes satire news sites are real
... & that the Nat'l Enquirer is respected
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 15:24:16
lastest CNN poll:

Women
Biden 61%
Trump 37%

Men
Trump 48%
Biden 47%

#redwave
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 15:29:01
Was that a period joke tw?
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 15:29:47
#RepealThe19th
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 15:51:38
@jergul possibly


here's fucking moron w/ the california mask nonsense
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1321548174427852801

the Babylon Bee (satire) article was actually "California Mandates All Food Must Be Consumed Through IV To Ensure Masks Are Never Removed"... but Trump is not good at remembering details (including on important shit)
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 15:59:08
Maybe he believed it because it was barely satirical?

"The California governor's office put out a tweet on Saturday advising that restaurant-goers keep their masks on while dining. "Going out to eat with members of your household this weekend?" the tweet reads. "Don't forget to keep your mask on in between bites. Do your part to keep those around you healthy.""

http://www...lifornia-face-mask-restaurant/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 16:46:53
maybe a president shouldn't believe literally anything he sees on the internet that fits his delusional made-up dreamworld

& maybe he shouldn't retweet out false information to his millions of followers (& the entire world)

this was another Babylon Bee he believed (that i noted before):

"Twitter Shuts Down Entire Network To Slow Spread Of Negative Biden News [article link] via @TheBabylonBee. Wow, this has never been done in history. This includes his really bad interview last night. Why is Twitter doing this. Bringing more attention to Sleepy Joe & Big T"
http://twi...ump/status/1317044556328730625


& note on masks that Trump decides "It's a very complex mechanism" like how he decided BleachBit was "a very expensive process"... which he thinks was chemicals rather than free software & how he decided what the 'visa lottery' was based on its name (got it 100% wrong start to finish)

how the hell is it ok for him to just guess at what shit is then to believe it & tell the world as if he knows

severe mental illness & unfitness

& a daily national embarrassment
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 18:52:36
"
DNI Ratcliffe strayed from his prepared remarks last week to say publicly that Iran's spoof emails intimidating Dems were aimed at "damaging President Trump," blindsiding FBI Director Wray and CISA Director Chris Krebs who were standing behind him.
"
http://www.../28/john-ratcliffe-iran-433375


"
This was hinted at in the contrast between Ratcliffe's remarks and Wray's statement, but wow. Essentially Ratcliffe lured some of the few remaining credible national security officials to stand behind him and bolster his case, and then snuck in a politicized line.
"
~Susan Hennessey


Ratcliffe = total garbage

& it was pretty obvious he made it up

those emails being to damage Trump is highly questionable
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 18:58:16
good president/'president' contrast

http://twitter.com/Kh_RumSattar/status/1315823481905389568
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 19:00:36
Jesus Christ tw. Did you just rip off a segment from that hack Kimmel?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 19:02:08
possibly... is that the source?

it's not inaccurate
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 19:04:50
i believe Trump's tunnel begging/crying terrorist story was yet another thing he completely made-up for that above list

he doesn't live in reality... everything needs spiced up...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 13:08:08
"
Melania Trump, speaking at a jam-packed Florida rally with little mask-wearing, says that, at "a time when hate, negativity and fear are the messages the media streams into our homes," her husband's administration is focused on "the health and safety of the American people."
"

she reads everything off teleprompter so not completely blaming her, but that's some serious bizarro world nonsense
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 14:38:52
"
Biden starts his rally with thanking “everyone” for wearing masks and social distancing.

So starting with an appeal to fear.

Great message, Joe. [eyeroll emoji]
"
~ Jenna Ellis (team Trump)

----------

do you really want to be on the side of these constant fucking idiots?

vote ANYONE but Trump
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Oct 29 16:55:14
Walmart Pulls Guns Off Shelves as Precaution Ahead of Election

http://www...tion?__twitter_impression=true



Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Oct 29 17:15:50
Odds on Rugian committing suicide if Trump loses?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Oct 29 17:16:29
Same question for tw.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 18:11:41
not likely... i will be able to repeatedly claim 'i told you so' into the void

and could still hold out hope that the cultists will eventually see through the completely obvious unfit fraud as he fails on healthcare & deficit & pandemic, etc... plus on his continued general destruction of America
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 22:28:56
Don Jr claiming deaths are down to "almost nothing" (they are not... & will be rising)
http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1322001939266109441

& piece of shit Laura Ingraham just smiling & laughing along

that's a news channel
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 02:17:47
"
If Sleepy Joe Biden is actually elected President, the 4 Justices (plus1) that helped make such a ridiculous win possible would be relegated to sitting on not only a heavily PACKED COURT, but probably a REVOLVING COURT as well. At least the many new Justices will be Radical Left!
"
~ fucking fraud

not sure why he's tweeting this at 3am, but sounds like he's trying to influence the Supreme Court justices to help him win... totally normal stuff
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 14:03:58
Trump says Laura Ingraham is here, then looks over to her and says, "I can't recognize you. Is that a mask? No way, are you wearing a mask? I've never seen her in a mask. Look at you. Laura, she's being very politically correct. Whoa! Whoa!"

---

"politically correct"... & he's said that before about masks

RIDICULOUSLY unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 16:32:53
according to Trump (at his essential superspreader rallies), if Biden wins:

"There will be no heating in the winter, no air conditioning in the summer, and no electricity"
&
"You'll have no schools, no graduations, no weddings, no Thanksgiving, no Christmas, no Fourth of July, no future"

total absurd bullshit as usual
(& no that's not the same as what Biden does, for the equivalence guy)

and calling Adam Schiff 'watermelonhead' is a staple of his routine... seen it 3 different times

that stuff & other typical nonsense in this thread:
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1322280168950554631

but what are his priorities if he gets a 2nd term? that question is too tough to answer... spewing constant nonsense to packed crowds during a pandemic is more sensible
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 16:42:51
You would think he would make fun of his eyes.

The rest is hyperbole. Everyone swore that Trump was going to bankrupt the country and get us into a war....never happened.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 16:46:09
how has he not bankrupted the country?

he's done it morally & financially
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 30 16:48:30
"he's done it morally & financially"

In terms of morality, I don't think the party of "let's teach six year olds about abortion and transgenderism" really has a leg to stand on in terms of criticizing Trump.

As for financially...who's been the biggest advocate of reopening the economy again?
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 17:27:44
Not to mention we have just had the best single quarter economic rebound in all of history, and not even close it was more than double, compared to just about anywhere in Europe we are doing better financially.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 18:12:45
"who's been the biggest advocate of reopening the economy again"

& how's that going?

the fucking moron going around the country doing the WORST possible thing during a pandemic w/ his packed-in rallies... & not only NOT encouraging masks, no simple polite request let alone a requirement... he is -discouraging- them, including calling it "politically correct" (which is what Trump & his fans hate)

and he's the ONLY person in the entire country doing it... no sports teams, no concerts... one idiot abusing his privilege to do the dumbest things possible, multiple times a day

complete w/ totally lying about the state of the pandemic to ensure the idiot cultists don't do anything responsible

---

"Not to mention we have just had the best single quarter economic rebound in all of history"

this was guaranteed to happen after the horrendous drop last quarter... it's like when he celebrated the historic 2.5 million jobs added in May after 20 million lost in April
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 18:16:28
...& forgot to note it's at a time when we are hitting all time highs of new cases...

(which he lies about... as he has continuously from the beginning... as one would expect from the 'president'...)

how the hell do you people justify it all... (don't answer)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 18:38:13
& for the record, Fauci has repeatedly been saying he's not calling for lockdowns

(& Biden only ever mentioned considering it if recommended by experts)


fucking moron has -definitely- caused more spread (his rallies alone are -definitely- spreading it... but also there's all the other heaps of people listening to his constant misinformation & discouragement of precautions)

so fucking moron is the one harming efforts to reopen
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 18:56:55
"this was guaranteed to happen after the horrendous drop last quarter... it's like when he celebrated the historic 2.5 million jobs added in May after 20 million lost in April"

Id rebounds that large were guaranteed than European nations would have fared better.

Obviously that played a role which is why I chose the term " rebound".

But if we had federal lockdowns for example, that likley wouldnt have happened, it was even larger than expected.

So Im.not saying it's all credited to him, but the bar was set at not bankrupting the country.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 20:59:27
and no one has called for federal lockdowns
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 22:19:59
"The Election should end on November 3rd., not weeks later!"
~ fucking moron

he -should- know there will be completely valid votes being counted after Nov 3rd, & he -should- stop pretending otherwise & suggesting something unfair about it

but he won't as he's completely unfit for office
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 23:26:24
Trump (again) claiming doctors are falsely reporting people as dying of covid just to get more money... & invents that they get $2,000 extra (pulled out of ass)

http://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1322246965808291840

he would've been fired from any job anywhere 100 times over w/ his bullshit
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 23:36:35
They actually get more money than that for extra covid cases, Trump is actually correct on this.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 23:38:21
http://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3000638001
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 23:40:45
Yoube been listening to CNN talking points too much.

$100 billion to reimburse eligible health care providers for health care-related expenses or lost revenues not otherwise reimbursed that are directly attributable to COVID-19. Eligible providers are defined as public entities, Medicare- or Medicaid-enrolled suppliers and providers, and other for-profit and non-profit entities as specified by the Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary. Funding will be on a rolling basis through “the most efficient payment systems practicable to provide emergency payment;”

http://www...nd-economic-security-cares-act
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 23:49:15
yes, hospitals get additional funding for treating covid patients

do you think they are putting patients on ventilators who don't need them?

do you think they are falsifying medical records & the death certificates to the families?

no evidence whatsoever of it
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 23:51:42
I think they are being financially incentivized to do so.Whether or not they are acting on it, or others are I think is very likely.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 23:52:19
just a regular pattern of his to claim everyone corrupt

like how he speculated blue states wouldn't send ballots to red areas
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 23:58:04
If you thru the numbers per patient, they get much more than Trump claimed.

And hospitals have been known for inflating bills to gwt extra money in the past... so Doctors may not be but still have administrators and insurers etc. get involved.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 00:06:40
it would have to be happening at massive scale for him to make note of it at a rally otherwise what difference would it make

so is he having investigations launched into this massive fraud that he assumes must be happening based on nothing?
habebe
Member
Sat Oct 31 00:13:56
I have no idea about investigations or proof its definitley happening.

But clearly the incentive is there and hospital billings are about as trustworthy as Trumps twitter feed.

http://www...re%2C%20or%20%24230%20billion.

Regular fraud is estimated to be 3-10% of hospital billings. This offers an easier.

But conservatively lets say numbera are 6.5% fraudelent by splitting the difference, that's fairly big.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 01:21:03
so you feel his message is the death count isn't 230,000 but 215,000 (if we assume fraud similar to other fraud rate estimates)... as that is an important closing argument message to put in a rally speech

whereas i feel his message is deaths are mostly fake & not really happening much, so don't worry about covid (as Don Jr basically stated too)... which has been his continuous message since the start

(also, it's more likely covid deaths are actually underreported)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 01:27:02
Trump has issued a presidential proclamation declaring Sunday the "National Day of Remembrance for Americans Killed by Illegal Aliens"


text of this incredibly stupid proclamation:
http://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1322401762070835201

plan your picnics accordingly
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 12:23:07
A new study from Stanford University estimates that 18 of Trump’s recent large-scale campaign rallies ultimately resulted in 30,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus and probably led to more than 700 deaths among attendees and others infected by them.

The study, released Friday by Stanford economics professor B. Douglas Bernheim and three doctoral students, examined rallies staged by Trump between June 20 and Sept. 30 and looked at the trajectory of cases in the counties in which they were held.

http://www...ink-QMVN6Y4KOZCZPCB245HD7SIKMA

CNN had similar study of 18 rallies finding cases jumping in those counties in the weeks after, relative to other counties

afaik, they didn't put a # on it like Stanford though


completely unsurprising it would cause spread, then those people spread to others, etc
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 13:50:45
100k! woot... rounding that corner & now headed straight up

http://cov...acker/#trends_dailytrendscases
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 16:35:48
"Biden will imprison you in your house, while letting rioters roam free"

"under Biden there will be no school, no graduations, no weddings, no Thanksgiving, no Christmas, no Easter, no Fourth of July, there will be no future for our country"

http://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1322635686642618369

& most of that shit is in the teleprompter
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 16:39:46
tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Oct 31 16:35:48
"Biden will imprison you in your house, while letting rioters roam free"

Factually true. Democratic governors cracked down on anti-lockdown protests, while simultaneously letting BLM rioters do as they pleased.
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 16:41:14
""under Biden there will be no school, no graduations, no weddings, no Thanksgiving, no Christmas, no Easter, no Fourth of July, there will be no future for our country""

Also true. If we were forced to go back to lockdowns, holidays would be effectively cancelled.

Thanks for showcasing just one of the many reasons why we should vote Trump next week tw!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 16:43:56
if only Biden said his plan was lockdowns... but he didn't... & a year-long one apparently as Biden wouldn't be there for the upcoming Thanksgiving & Xmas

& no one has advocating letting rioters roam free
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 16:52:06
not that targeted lockdowns aren't likely as Trump continues to actively harm efforts rather than do anything productive as cases rising rapidly

& it will happen in red states too... so not a Dem thing

& you can thank Trump for it
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 17:05:49
"tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Oct 31 16:43:56
if only Biden said his plan was lockdowns..."

His "plan" is to completely abdicate the role of leadership and instead delegate it to the "doctors"...and the "doctors" (like Fauci, who needs to be fired ASAP) want lockdowns.

I know you're a pedant, but at least try and connect some of the dots here.

"& a year-long one apparently as Biden wouldn't be there for the upcoming Thanksgiving & Xmas"

I have zero confidence that a Biden administration wouldn't order lockdowns in 2021.

"& no one has advocating letting rioters roam free"

You mean aside from EVERY SINGLE FUCKING LAST Democratic governor and mayor that has enabled these rioters in their cities over the past year?

You can't possibly claim that the Dems haven't massively fucked up on that front.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 17:36:33
'protesters' is not a synonym for 'rioters'

& Fauci has NOT been calling for a lockdown, specifically saying so in fact

constant misinformation flooding team Trump's propaganda networks
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 17:40:16
"
It's come to this: A neighbor reports that AG William Barr's house in McLean is being picketed by Trump supporters who believe he's not doing enough to lock up Joe Biden
"
http://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1322644157937127426

if Trump wins, America (& truth) over
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 17:50:14
tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Oct 31 17:36:33
'protesters' is not a synonym for 'rioters'

Yes it fucking is. What actions HAVE these Democratic "leaders" taken against the rioters? In fact, Dem AGs have explicitly said that they would NOT prosecute rioters.

Also that the riots have gone for MONTHS and no National Guardsmen have been called in.

Also the numerous calls from Democratic politicians which explicitly came out in SUPPORT of these people.

Also the fact that CHAZ that was tolerated for a full fucking month.

You are a liar. And you are lying here. You should be ashamed that your hackery has led you to this disgusting place.

"& Fauci has NOT been calling for a lockdown, specifically saying so in fact"

The entirety of Europe just re-entered lockdown. But sure, that would never happen here. ROFL
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 18:00:55
http://www...AhVymXIEHa6uCBQQ4dUDCAc&uact=5

"Fake news" according to total hack tw.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:05:40
"Also that the riots have gone for MONTHS and no National Guardsmen have been called in"

where is that? & are you calling fires in trashcans rioting?

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"Also the fact that CHAZ that was tolerated for a full fucking month. "

like how those Bundy rancher nuts took over that wildlife refuge for a month? at CHAZ, they were reading poems & making pointless speeches & other weird shit that didn't need crushed

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"The entirety of Europe just re-entered lockdown. But sure, that would never happen here"

exaggeration... but yes, lockdowns are possible w/ Trump's continued total shit leadership where he's (absurdly) actually helping the virus

Fauci so far specifically has said he's not calling for them & i doubt he ever would, not a national one
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 18:10:07
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:10:31
rioting lasted a matter of days at any one spot (except maybe the Portland courthouse area's prolonged unrest) & i am aware of no Dem leader saying rioting/looting was fine, certainly not Biden

Biden specifically HAS spoken against it many times (even though constant fucking liar Trump keeps saying he hasn't)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:12:24
"protesting is not burning or looting" said by Biden literally just now at rally in Michigan
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 18:12:43
"where is that? & are you calling fires in trashcans rioting?"

Jesus Christ, do I need to draw you a map? The fact that you think that the riots were just a matter of "trashcan burnings" shows how you much CNN has warped your brain.

How about you consider this, asshole. I was there in Boston on June 1 of this year. I saw the damage that these riots caused. And guess what? It wasn't just "burning trash cans." No, it was an entire NEIGHBORHOOD of the city that was utterly trashed by the thugs you support.

You fucking hack. You're an actual piece of shit. Cocksucker.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:16:43
you claimed there was continuous rioting for months

so where is that occurring? draw me the map

if you're talking about a few days here & a few days there, then calling in Nat'l Guard isn't a solution... (& they do get called in for that matter)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:19:17
also Trump has been president for all of it, so not sure how you expect his re-election to make it stop

i'm pretty confident it would get worse as he inspires hatred & division daily
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 18:20:07
-Portland
-Seattle
-Minneapolis
-Fuck it, Boston. Where just yesterday we received notices that "you should probably not go to work and just stay home on November 4" because of a fear of leftwing riots that day.

Your kind is DESTROYING this country. You piece of shit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:28:49
Minneapolis? how can that be? Trump said he sent in the Nat'l Guard & that solved it in moments

(plus he didn't sent them in... Gov did & before Trump ever mentioned it)

but you're right, if there has been continuous rioting in those places for months, i'm unaware of it... i'm surprised any buildings still standing & presumably there are refugee caravans fleeing the areas
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 18:37:47
Do you realize that Trump is not an all-powerful dictator in our federal union? State authorities carry a lot of responsibility for everything that's gone in the last year.

As for Minnepolis:

Here's it burning in May:

http://www...s-government-george-floyd.html

And here it is still being looted as late as August:

http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=86424&showdeleted=true

Who is it that is responsible for this? Oh right, the Democratic governor, AG, and mayors involved. People who will only be enabled by a radical Biden administration.

By the way, thanks for giving your sympathies on Boston needing to shut down next week do to people like you. Your message of camaraderie really gave me hope there. LOL
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 18:41:25
And remember the leftist crocodile tears that were shed when Trump wanted to call in the military to quell the riots in DC? Lol, fun times.

The Democratic Party stands for anarchy and anti-white violence. There's no other way to put it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:42:51
the May burning was a few days not continuous til August, and no one was advocating for it, whatever decisions made i'm certain were to get it ended in best way possible

Trump's intervention in Portland for example only inflamed things

if you don't like how your state/local people are responding, you'll have to focus your electing there


& it will be your people doing the violent uprisings when Biden wins
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 18:43:44
"
Over the next four years, we will stop the radical indoctrination of our students, and restore PATRIOTIC EDUCATION to our schools. We will teach our children to love our Country, honor our history, and always respect our great American Flag.
"
~ Hitler II
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 19:46:02
First off, Republicans don't riot when they lose. Democrats, meanwhile, riot 100% of the time when they lose.

This is an uncontroversial fact and you have no basis to argue against it, so everyone in this thread will accept it going forward. To do otherwise would just cement your reputation as an idiot hack.

Secondly, thanks for your absolutely patronizing advice. Oh wow, it's *my* fault that more Republicans aren't elected in Boston!

You fucking piece of shit. That was dodge if I've ever seen one. The fact is that Trump is the *only* thing that's preventing the disastrous Democratic governors/mayors' attitudes towards the riots from going nationwide. If you don't want to see your own community going up in flames, he's the *only* person that's stopping that.

I only posted two examples of rioting in Minneapolis you utter hack. If you want, I can absolutely post more examples in the interim.

Why are you so determined to bring anarchy to our cities? You are *explicitly* for this sort of disorder, so defend it.

Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 19:48:33
And for the education comment...

He's talking about getting the 1619 Project out of our schools. And since the 1619 Project is a bunch of NYT*-funded SJW-inspired historical revisionism, it has no place being taught to the students of this country.



*Just what you want from a "newspaper of record"...an activist attempt to implement far-left propaganda in our public education system. ROFL. If Trump arrested the entirety of the NYT staff tomorrow, I wouldn't bat an eye, because they're not journalists, they're propagandists.
Rugian
Member
Sat Oct 31 19:52:18
And to tie both of those points together, here's the Marxist author of the 1619 Project arguing that "looting isn't an act of violence":

http://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1267877443911778306

TW. Either condemn these words, NOW, or you are considered to have explicitly endorsed them. So it is declared.
Habebe
Member
Sat Oct 31 21:15:05
What good are football fields if you cant use them to mass execute commies?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 21:56:31
"The fact is that Trump is the *only* thing that's preventing the disastrous Democratic governors/mayors' attitudes towards the riots from going nationwide. If you don't want to see your own community going up in flames, he's the *only* person that's stopping that."

^this is crazy

and that lady is only noting killing a person far different than destroying property... but if you want me to be against looting, yes, I'm against looting

(and your side has been caught doing some of the arson)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 22:05:58
Trump can still tweet "LAW & ORDER!!!" without being 'president' so everything will be fine
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 22:33:16
and w/ Trump's transparent fraud play to young black males (& always already appealing to young white asshole males) many of those looters could be on your team too
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 01 12:24:16
"
I recently did an interview with RT and was unaware they are a registered foreign agent. I regret doing the interview and apologize for allowing myself to be taken advantage of. I especially apologize to the national security community who is working hard to defend us.
"
~ "Dr" Scott Atlas (the radiologist w/ no background in infectious disease that Trump found on Fox News & is now his sole medical adviser during a pandemic... as he says Trump is doing the right thing all the time...)

i like pointing that out each time as so ridiculous...

i bet most here know RT is Russia... but not the radiologist w/ no background in infectious disease that Trump found on Fox News & is now his sole medical adviser during a pandemic
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