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Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 01:03:47
Well there are too many to easily keep track of.Ill start ot off with the I famous 1 ballot box per county in TX.

The governor was correct the SC ( Tx) ruled it doesnt disenfranchise people because it is adding another way to.vote alongside regular mail, extended early voting and regular election day voting.

Going to try and seperate them by genre like all the kicking off 3rd parties in one, mail in voting in another.

TW is pretty good with being extensive and will hopefully post all the onea that make Trump look bad ( im.sure there are plenty)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 01:39:03
don't put any work on me :p

but i think you'll find every Trump lawsuit goal is to disenfranchise or hinder voters, never to help make it easier to vote
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 01:42:11
TW
Well, yes. The GOP knows its only route to power is through minority rule.

There is a point were this means unfree and unfair elections.

Perhaps the US could aim to be the leader of the unfree world if that point is reached.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 01:50:48
Europeans should send in election observers

Trump couldn't complain as he's the #1 person saying all aspects of voting are corrupt (+ every aspect of our gov't & country in general)
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 01:59:32
"tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Oct 28 01:50:48
Europeans should send in election observers"

You mean the same Europeans who think that the GOP is an illiberal party because they don't support state measures to enhance the equal participation of women in the labor market?

Fuck Europe, their "observations" would be hopelessly biased.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 02:02:07
in regards to OP case... Harris County, TX = 4.7+ million people -> 1 dropbox (& blue area, of course)

the only good point (sorta) is not that many Texans allowed to use mail-in ballots to begin with
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 02:05:08
"their "observations" would be hopelessly biased"

Trump cultist observers will be better? he's not even telling them to register as watchers

Trump considers us a rampant fraud voting shithole, so we should be monitored by somebody external
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 02:11:22
as for Harris County... obviously you don't -have- to use a dropbox for mail-in... although w/ the slowed down mail (w/ Trumps no experience goon leading the post office) you -do- going forward, today/yesterday (Tuesday) was last day they 'guaranteed' delivery by election day so USE a dropbox from now on

(except maybe in Missouri... someone tweeted you aren't allowed to drop off ballots there... the most backwoods state of them all)
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 02:15:36
Ruggy
You may want to revisit your personal politics if the free world is hopelessly biased against you.

habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 02:25:02
The parts of the free world that cozy up to the largest super authoritarian regime in existence while complaining about US cozyness to the Kingdom while they let Russia take the Ukraine and still go ahead and buuld Nordstream 2, yeah great role models....
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 02:25:03
The parts of the free world that cozy up to the largest super authoritarian regime in existence while complaining about US cozyness to the Kingdom while they let Russia take the Ukraine and still go ahead and buuld Nordstream 2, yeah great role models....
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 02:29:03
They don't even see gun rights as anti authoritarian or really as a thing at all.
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 05:20:31
"In a worrying development Russian Federation supreme court judges appointed in recent years by Putin hand him an election victory in a context plagued by irregularities"

My God,you are right! Russia may potentially be a horrible regime. We will have to see how its next presidential election plays out.
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 06:25:25
Dont even get me started on how Merkles reigned for like 20 years....so democratic.
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 06:33:28
Merkel is not a head of state. She leads a coalition of parliamentary parties.

In democratic (not first past the post) parliamentary systems, the tendency is for there to be an anti incumbent factor. A ruling party loses support from one election to the next.
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 07:07:02
Have you accepted Jesus into your heart?
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 09:04:27
You see, that is the whole problem. A feeling that believing in something with all your heart somehow trumps science because jesus said so.

It spills over into everything. A feeling that belief is better than knowledge somehow.

The US constitution was written at a time when it was almost unimaginable to have a state without a monarch. So you have the whole pseudo monarchy thing going because you are locked into the sanctity of what some old white guys thought a long time ago.

President or Monarch has only ceremonial functions in most parts of the free world. Its like a defining feature of a free country.

Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 09:12:44
Well first off, Im not Christian.

The US wouldnt have allowed for an authoritarian regime to co quer parts of Canada or Mexico.In Europe that shit seems ok.

Not sure why it matters that they were old and white, ounds prejudice.
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 09:43:34
Jergul

There you go again with your cultural imperialism. Northern Europe != "the free world," and your standards are not the free world's standards.

Do you even realize how batshit insane Scandinavia looks sometimes to outsiders?
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 09:50:00
Yah, we probably should not have let that authoritarian regime carve off bits of Serbia.
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 09:51:08
Ruggy
Say that once your president loses his executive orders. Then I might let you join the free world.
patom
Member
Wed Oct 28 09:51:12
I'm pretty sure Maine will be sued by Trump because we have just instituted Ranked Choice Voting for President in this election.
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 09:51:26
And our Constitution was written at a time when the powers of the head of state were assumed to be a lot more limited than they are today. You can blame big government leftists for the current quasi-monarchial nature of the office; the Constitution isn't responsible for that.
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 28 09:55:48
Ruggy
It was written before heads of state fell into french wicker baskets. Though finally ratified that same year of course.
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 09:57:49
The potus used to be a glorified cheerleader.
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 09:58:56
Jergul, Your welcome.
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 10:14:17
Jergul

I think we can both agree that the ultimate result of the French Revolution was that European governments turned a lot more authoritarian. Look at the sedition acts enacted in Great Britain to protect the state from suffering a similar fate.

Thank God our Constitution was written before that whole mess. We got the benefit of Enlightenment ideals in our founding document, right before those ideals became passe in the capitals of Europe.
Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 10:16:31
Jergul

Do you realize how weak the executive power was in Enligtenment-era Britain and the US?

There's a reason why the term "imperial presidency" is associated with the 20th century, and not the 18th. Big government Democrats have progressively mutated the office into a monstrous version of what it was supposed to be
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 10:32:50
International Jewry.
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 17:39:27
http://www...olling-places-election-day.amp

So they tried to ban Open Carry on election day at polling sites, that was struck down, open carry away.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 19:10:59
that's a fantastic policy... should cut down on polling site robberies
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 19:14:41
new today: The Supreme Court allows the counting of ballots in North Carolina received up to nine days after the election as long as the ballots are postmarked by Election Day


it was originally 3 days, team Trump challenged the extension (which was originally agreed to by Republicans)

& team Trump challenged in PA where it IS only 3 days wanting it to be zero i guess

they really don't want votes counted
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 19:22:15
See, I knew I could put some work off to you.lol

In relation to the PA thing the scotus said they will not rule on that until after the election.... not sure if that means after the 3rd or later.

Rugian
Member
Wed Oct 28 19:30:38
All this proves is that the judiciary of North Carolina is hopelessly corrupt. They have no business rewriting election laws (something about "separation of powers" is springing to mind).

If Trump comes in behind in NC, he should demand that the legislature override the results and appoint electors on their own.
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 20:38:28
HRC is an elector in NY.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 21:55:14
Alito is one of them willing to vote again on PA even after election... which would be crazy... shutting down receiving/counting when the ballots say they only need mailed by election day

disband the court
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 21:58:30
To be honest, I really dont know the legalities behind them enough to argue one way or the other.
habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 22:00:25
From what Ive read a similar ruling has been issued for NC.

What do you mean vote again after the election?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 22:04:28
they did vote on NC

they declined to vote on PA, so not really resolved

also drunken Kavanaugh has made repeated errors lately (seen 3)... including Vermont demanding a correction

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 22:25:33
well they did recently once vote 4-4 on PA which knocked it back to lower courts ruling (which seems a good outcome for a tie... maybe it -should- be an even number of justices, as a whole lower court seems preferable to ringer like Amy to decide ties)

anyway, team garbage took another stab now that Amy confirmed but the SC declined to revisit as too close to election but

"Justice Samuel Alito, joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch, wrote a separate statement that reads much like a dissent. Alito wrote that he “reluctantly” decided that “there is simply not enough time” to resolve the case “before the election.” He noted, however, that Pennsylvania officials will voluntarily segregate ballots that arrive before Election Day and after. If SCOTUS overturns the Pennsylvania Supreme Court just after the election, then, “a targeted remedy will be available.” This means that SCOTUS can still decide to order the state to throw out those ballots received between Nov. 4 through 6, and that Barrett can still opt to participate in the case after Election Day."

so how corrupt are they willing to be... they'd be tossing out valid ballots by people following the rules on the ballot
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 22:47:07
so basically under no circumstances use a mailbox at this point... deliver direct or vote in-person

in PA if you requested mail-in & change mind & decide to vote in person you have to bring the ballot with you or do a provisional ballot (check your own state rules if doing that)

if voting Trump you should frame your ballot and keep it to show your grandkids
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 22:49:39
Well again, it depends in what laws there are pertaining to this. Even something that seems right, could.be illegal, in which case its the jobs of the legislators to handle, not judges who should soley interpret the law.

I personally jave no clue what the legal arguments are one way or the other. But from an outside perspective that seems a reasonable compromise.
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 22:50:38
Even if Trump takes Fla, PA and NC he needs an uppwriswest state to seal the deal and unless the polls are way off its just not going to happen.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 23:00:51
a reasonable compromise is letting votes be counted

purposely disenfranchising legitimate voters seems really fucked up
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 23:03:46
they sort of did it on Wisconsin already... (canceling the extension)... i don't know if their ballots had gone out & said you could mail it even on election day or not, but anyone still mailing is screwed

doing it on PA after the election would be beyond the pail (although they probably have the votes now to do so & R's are shameless)
Dukhat
Member
Wed Oct 28 23:06:05
Republicans are going to sue and they stacked the courts enough that it may have won the election had the Coronavirus never happened.

That's why we need a huge blowout for these challenges to not matter.

Good conservatives should want a landslide democratic victory. Fair redistricting means you need to have intelligent people to win a general election and not some dumb fuck mouthbreather trumper who can win a Republican primary before being anointed by rigged districts.
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 23:12:29
"purposely disenfranchising legitimate voters seems really fucked up"

Like banning the green party from the ballot?
hood
Member
Wed Oct 28 23:13:35
"appoint electors on their own."

Well, at least rugian isn't even pretending to support democratically elected officials.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 28 23:15:42
no... nothing like that at all (where have you acquired this 'everything is equivalent' trait?)

you can still write in the green party candidate if you want them & it will continue to have no effect

this would be taking known non-fraud votes & trashing them even though they followed the rules written on the ballot (+ w/ it being -known- that D's are mail-in voting far heavier than R's)
Habebe
Member
Wed Oct 28 23:56:47
Well, but who determines what is a fraudelent vote at the end of the day? The laws, interpreted by the courts.

Again while IDK what the rules/laws on the books pertaining to this. Just from my layman's POV its not like they havnt had plenty of time and ways to vote.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 00:09:49
it isn't about fraud votes

just whether a mail-in ballot arrives before or after election day (ballots say you can mail them up to & on election day)

the case (that now likely has 5-4 support) will trash any ballot arriving after election day (as will be done in Wisconsin already)

just for PA people it will be a nice surprise
(as it will be for WI people who haven't paid close attention)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 00:47:23
WASHINGTON — Postmaster General Louis DeJoy was ordered to immediately begin expanding mail delivery with extra trips and later deliveries after the U.S. Postal Service failed to improve performance less than a week before the election.

U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington late Tuesday granted an emergency request to enforce and monitor compliance with an earlier injunction he ordered. The ruling is a victory for civil rights groups and Democratic-led states that alleged in several lawsuits that the changes were undermining the election to the benefit of President Donald Trump.

“USPS personnel are instructed to perform late and extra trips to the maximum extent necessary to increase on-time mail deliveries, particularly for election mail,” Sullivan said. “To be clear, late and extra trips should be performed to the same or greater degree than they were performed prior to July 2020 when doing so would increase on-time mail deliveries.”

On-time delivery of First Class mail dropped to 69.8% on Tuesday, down more than 6 percentage points from previous days, the USPS said in a court filing Wednesday.
...
http://www...-late-trips-for-election-mail/

they're down to 69.8% on-time delivery & he had to be ordered to step it up...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 00:48:19
but still... DON'T USE MAIL going forward... unless voting Trump
Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 29 01:15:58
"just whether a mail-in ballot arrives before or after election day (ballots say you can mail them up to & on election day)"

Yes, but lets say you mail your.vote late and it isnt able to be counted, that makes it a.fraudelent vote.

Now lets be clear, Republicams are way more likely to vote in person than by mail, what he is hoping for is an election night victory and to lock it in before the late votes come in which are way more likely to be Democratic, we have seen rhis before...in the public view it gives him a basis to say the election was stolen, he had won it election night...yadda yadda.

Yes its rather shady, but much like the ine box per county in TC this in addition to a bunch of ways to vote and extra time.to vote so its disingenuous to suggest its cheating.

They've had plenty of time to mail in a vote, vote early in person or.on election night. If anything this is the easiest election we have ever had to vote.
Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 29 01:20:46
You seem to justify any and all means as just as long as it gets rid of Trump.

Whats the old saying

"For nothing can seem foul, to those who win"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 01:48:45
i'm not justifying anything crazy

fraud voting is a crime
a ballot arriving after election day is not a crime
& since the ballot says that is ok, the voter followed the rules

there's no partisan spin here

if SC rules whatever group set the rule wasn't allowed to do it for whatever legal reason, you are knowingly trashing real votes by people who did nothing wrong (& votes that are known to skew D by large margin)

extremely hard to say that would be justice served

but hasn't happened yet (for PA), so no need to get completely outraged yet... i don't know what Wisconsin ballots said or how badly people will get screwed there
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 29 02:04:20
"you are knowingly trashing real votes by people who did nothing wrong"

I agree. But where I disagree is that if that is the case, I do not want a court to go against the true law and act as legislators.

Legislators write the the laws, Judges clarify disputes of the law.
habebe
Member
Thu Oct 29 03:30:37
What are the chances that a state finds the electuon fraudelent and sends electors to then vote for the candidate they choose instead of the debated ballot count?

As long as they do it before December 8th, I think that's entirley legal.
jergul
large member
Thu Oct 29 07:52:24
Legal in the sense that Hitler siezed power entirely legally too.
zombie jesus
Member
Thu Oct 29 07:59:09
you think 2020 was fucked?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 12:34:54
"A 3 day extension for Pennsylvania is a disaster for our Nation, and for Pennsylvania itself. The Democrats are trying to steal this Election. We have to get out and VOTE in even larger numbers. The Great Red Wave is coming!!!"
~ fucking moron

a disaster to count votes by people following the rules... & that is 'stealing' the election?... there's -always- counting past election day

trashing the ballots would be stealing it

if whomever set the rules did so illegally, punish those people, don't punish voters
Habebe
Member
Thu Oct 29 18:44:40
Well, the debate is whether or not they followed the rules.

Realistically, everyine has had an easier time.voting this election than ever.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 29 21:51:23
the voters followed the rules... if the SC swings PA from blue to red by tossing those votes & it swings election (not impossible... a key state that Trump won by <1%) there will be justifiable revolt

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also, annoying Cumberland County (PA) says it won't even bother counting -any- mail-in ballots til Wednesday (to help Trump's appearance as much as possible on election night i guess)

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Minnesota has had their rule changed too by courts (vote must be IN by election day, not just postmarked)
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 03:46:40
Cumberland County, I used to go to carshows out there ( Carlyle) and over in Dauphin county I used to date this life guard, fuck she was hot.... and loaded, she used to complain abput the " help"

Again, bottom line is that its been made easier to vote in this election than ever before, what justifiable cause would they have for waiting until the absolutley last minute?
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 30 04:37:58
I agree with habebe provisionally.

Lots of things can go wrong for election day voting too. Republicans doing that because its "better" are going to lose quite a few votes.

But the devil is in the details. If the courts stop counting early votes, then Sieg Heil you fucking fascists.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 12:38:39
"what justifiable cause would they have for waiting until the absolutley last minute? "

a) because the ballots say its ok
b) because people are stupid... in large quantity
c) mail is slowed so even if you mailed it 4-5 days prior it -still- may not get there

but mostly a)
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Oct 30 13:34:24
"what justifiable cause would they have for waiting until the absolutley last minute?"

A large percentage of people procrastinate until the last minute. That doesn't necessarily invalidate their vote. And you're condescendingly talking about using any and all means to justify something with the goal of propping up a political agenda?

Hello Hypocrite Rod 2.0.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 14:22:59
Woo, No, the opposition, it has nothing to do with doing what is right, its abput getting a better chance of winning.

Again, this is not about restricting the vote since this is the easiest election to vote in.

Now since the mail has been slow, ompromise anf say any ballot mailed by the 1st gets in because that is a reasonable amount of time to mail a letter.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 14:31:34
PA has early voting from Sep. 14 until Oct. 27th, that's like 6 weeks of voting for fucks sake.
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 30 14:31:47
If state law allows for ballots to come in late, then they should be allowed.

For states that don't allow it though, the judiciary shouldn't be trying to force their acceptance. That's textbook judicial activism.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 15:52:02
"its about getting a better chance of winning"

in what sense is it about D's trying to get a better chance of winning?

for R's it's entirely about getting a better chance of winning... tossing ballots that are known to be more for D's

one way is counting votes that followed the ballot rules, one way is dumping votes that followed the ballot rules

yes, people have multiple ways to vote... & they think they are doing it... they don't realize their vote won't count

(the dickhead Justices leaving the option open til after election in PA is particularly insidious... you'd have 5 people, 3 of whom Trump appointed, knowingly trashing primarily blue votes)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 15:55:00
but i'm still hoping for a blowwout... & will all be moot...

the masses HAVE to notice this fuckhead fraud is ridiculously unfit
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 30 16:02:21
Tw has no business whining about Trump judges when his own state Supreme Court is actively working to deliver PA for Biden.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 16:08:37
they've done nothing to hinder/harm/trash R ballots or turnout
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 16:28:54
"
in what sense is it about D's trying to get a better chance of winning?"

You literally answered this in your next sentence. They want to extend the time to get the last few votes, which lets be honest, likley won't be that many. Who has 6 weeks.to vote early and still needs more time? very few people.

I'm not really arguing in favor of Trumps proposal, I'm just saying all this talk that its threatening democracy and suppressing the vote is nonsense. They've been offered a much easier time to vote tham ever before, and apparently most people are doing that and have already voted.

"they've done nothing to hinder/harm/trash R ballots or turnout"

But they did corruptly ban the green party from PA ballot because it would mean them getting more votes.

And yes they can still write in for Hawkins ( I think)

But people CAN juat vote.early too, they only had a month and a half.

Plus a write in vote is much more likley to be tossed for several reasons IE legibility.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 16:40:53
"They want to extend the time to get the last few votes"

you mean count the votes cast by legitimate voters who were following the rules? that's being somehow sleazy?

"But people CAN juat vote.early too"

but they wouldn't if they are mailing... (unless following Trump's policy)... they don't know their vote could be trashed (unless paying close attention)

let's stop talking about it :p your view is crazy

& most likely it won't swing the election & if it does be ready for mass (justifiable) rioting
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 30 16:45:57
Tw

Completely outside the point. Your legislature and governor made it a state law that the deadline was 8 PM on election night. What business is it of the judiciary to think it is better positioned to make such decisions?

Oh wait, its not, and under the separation of powers, it doesn't have the right to do so anyway. But someone ran a projection and found that Biden voters are more likely to be late filers, so the judiciary overturned a duly-enacted law.
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 30 16:46:29
Total hackery.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 16:50:15
"But someone ran a projection and found that Biden voters are more likely to be late filers"

this is ridiculous... did you make that up on the spot?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 16:55:09
if you wanted all legitimate voters' ballots to count there would be no reason for R's to file lawsuits

R's want legitimate ballots tossed
D's do not want legitimate ballots tossed

no getting around it

& being able to mail up til election day gave no advantage to anyone (plus one of the actual concerns cited was slowed mail... which -is- slowed)
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 30 16:57:59
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 30 16:55:09
if you wanted all legitimate voters' ballots to count there would be no reason for R's to file lawsuits

False. The public has a right to know the results by or imminently after Election Day.

Otherwise you get a repeat of 2000.

"this is ridiculous... did you make that up on the spot?"

If it's false then why are leftist groups filing these lawsuits?
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 30 17:05:00
And you have again dodged the question as to whether the Pennsylvania Supreme Court acted appropriately in deciding that it was more qualified than the legislature to write election laws.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 17:25:02
I may be wrong, but Democrats have ge really been the one's initiating changing the rules by courts.

I still don't get why they don't want any ID to vote if they want fair elections. I mean you might as well just vote online and only vote once on the honor system.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 17:27:14
i 'dodged' as i don't know the state's election law text or how it compares to the changes

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"The public has a right to know the results by or imminently after Election Day"

this is made up (& a Trump/Kayleigh talking point)

Michigan wasn't known for weeks in 2016

+ the Supreme Court just allowed North Carolina to go for 9 days out, so apparently not a right

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"If it's false then why are leftist groups filing these lawsuits? "

i don't know for sure, haven't read them... i -do- know slowed mail was part of the reason for wanting extension & reasonable... as to allowing til election day, maybe w/ the massive increase there was concern about some being confused & thinking they were -supposed- to mail on election day (people are very stupid, i guarantee it will happen)


what is worst case scenario? legitimate voters who cast a ballot get their ballot counted

whereas team Trump lawsuits goal (& only effect) is to trash legitimate votes


case closed
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 17:38:28
Encouraging people that stupid to help decide who runs the country is not a noble act.

Both parties are.acting entirley in self interest. If the democrats thought mail in votes would help Trump they would cry foul.

The sleaziest lawsuits this election have been the banning of 3rd parties. An act pushed by HRC who has railed against the evils of 3rd parties.

Funny thing is they argued in Wisconsin that " they didnt fill out the paper properly work on time"......well, isn't that hypocritical?

To make it worse, he rule they broke was not properly listed but rather decided by an election board that it couldnt be faxed in it had to come in person and be original.

Now TW you sat here and told me on these forums that " well, those are the rules"

Because it helps your candidate, but when similar actions are on the flip side its not letting legitimate votes count.

Thats hack partisan bullshit.

To those who win, nothing seems afoul.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 18:06:19
"Encouraging people that stupid to help decide who runs the country is not a noble act"

so you oppose every Trump rally?


"Both parties are.acting entirley in self interest"

even if true... one side is allowing people who want to vote to have their ballot counted, one side is trashing ballots


as to activist judges... if any judges / groups ran counter to laws, resolve it -after- election over... the ballots went out saying you could do it & doesn't provide any advantage to anyonne

as noted, worst case scenario is eligible voters who tried to vote have their ballot counted

whereas team Trump's effect trashes ballots of voters who had no idea they were doing something not allowed, & DOES advantage someone
(as heavy known tilt in mail-in ballots from fucking moron's crusade against mail-in ballots)


case still closed
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 18:43:25
I think Montana, green voters who had voted early had thwir votes disqualified.

Now all this BS about we dont want people to be forced to do anything IN PERSON, is BS.

"The court ruled that presidential contender Howie Hawkins and his running mate, Angela Walker, did not qualify for the ballot because the party did not submit signed filing papers in person, as required by state rules.

It was the second such ruling in a week. On Monday, the Wisconsin Supreme Court found deficiencies in the Green Party’s ballot petition in that state, excluding the party from the ballot.

The latest decision is another blow to the third-party ticket and a win for Democrats, who worried that the Green Party could siphon votes from presidential nominee Joe Biden in the key battleground state."

So as long as it benefits the democrats they are all for it.Even Forcing people to meet in person or be disqualified.

But it's somehow moral to change the rules.last minute with extensions as long as they think it will benefit them.

Im not saying Trump isnt being just as sleazy.

But will you atleast admit this pure and simple DNC sleazy hypocrisy.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 18:44:13
http://www...f1_story.html%3foutputType=amp

Forgot the cite for the last post.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 18:57:55
i really don't care about the green party candidate... if they did things correctly they'd be on the ballot

if green party voters are pissed at Dems then they can be really stupid & vote Trump to hurt them (or write in the green candidate)

yes, Dems can do sleazy lawsuits too... but it's not trashing anyone's votes

i'm arguing against trashing ballots of voters who didn't do anything wrong (which is already guaranteed to happen in WI & MN, hopefully in small #'s... & is guaranteed to happen for other reasons like the 'naked ballots' & any places w/ nightmare signature matching requirements... but it should be minimized as much as possible not aggravated)

case still closed & filed
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 19:10:26
"yes, Dems can do sleazy lawsuits too... but it's not trashing anyone's votes"

Well its a start. But early green votes that had already been cast in atleast one state definitley were trashed.

"i really don't care about the green party candidate.."

Just proving that even you don't really care about making sure peoples cotes are counted, only that Trump loses, and any means to do that are noble for.the sake.of winning.

Hawkins supposed broken rule was decided by an election committee who didnt ask him to resubmit until it was too late.Sleazy.

Now " naked ballots" in PA are.the rule, has been for a while afaik.

So when you say

"if they did things correctly" does that only apply if it helps kick Trump put of office?

At the end of the day I dont thinknthe DNC is any worse than the RNC they both will act undemocratic as long as they win.

Which is fine, but dont claim to be on the high road.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 21:39:07
"Just proving that even you don't really care about making sure peoples cotes are counted"

false, i don't know what green ballots got trashed but it would be wrong if it happened (although won't affect result)

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Update to above comment... 7 PA counties have decided not to count any mail-in ballots til Wednesday (not just Cumberland)... thus fairly guaranteed Trump will show as leading on election night and he definitely will claim fraud if it switches blue (as he's an unfit piece of shit)... does anyone even doubt it?
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 22:00:37
I wonder if the county actual has the authority to do that.Inwould think that was a states decided issue.

It could be a logistics though, if they expect a large turnout election Night so they will focus on counting them, and since they have several extra days to count late mail in votes just start them after they're done counting election night votes.... did they state a reason why?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 30 22:22:06
found this...

"Election officials in Cumberland and Butler Counties, both of which are heavily Republican, say their staffs are simply too small to tally mail ballots while at the same time running Election Day operations."

but Trump fans are pure garbage & lie constantly so who knows... no offense
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 30 22:27:12
I know Butler Pike, not sure about Butler County.

Carlyle is the only draw for Cumbwrland county, car shows are a big thing there, so its plausible, but with politics the way they are now, trust no one.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 14:06:14
"
Texas Republicans have asked a federal judge to throw out 100,000 ballots in Harris County cast through curbside voting. They drew Judge Andrew Hanen, one of the most notoriously partisan Republican judges in the entire federal judiciary.

Judge Hanen has already scheduled an emergency hearing for Monday morning—without even giving Harris County a chance to file a response brief. This, too, is extremely concerning. It looks like he may be rushing to throw out 100,000 disproportionately Democratic votes.

Texas Republicans are deploying the theory—recently endorsed by Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh—that only state legislatures have authority over elections. Because the Harris County Clerk implemented drive-through voting, Republicans say all 100,000 ballots must be tossed.

Two partisan federal judges are already trying to nullify thousands of Minnesota ballots under this radical theory. I am deeply concerned that Judge Hanen, too, will use it to disenfranchise 100,000 Texans on the eve of Election Day. This is frightening.
"
[links to lawsuit & an article in thread]:
http://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1322602843661021184

afaik, the drive-thru people do all the same process as walk-in voters

R's after more heaps of valid votes to trash
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 31 15:32:51
tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Oct 31 14:06:14
"R's after more heaps of valid votes to trash"

The state legislature only permits curbside voting in limited circumstances. If this county clerk is allowing curbside voting where these circumstances are not met, then the clerk is violating state law and should be stopped.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 16:25:58
and the ballots kept & counted
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 31 16:49:45
tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Oct 31 16:25:58
"and the ballots kept & counted"

Votes that were not made in compliance with state law should not be counted.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 31 16:55:07
if they were cast under same verification measures they absolutely should be counted

it's 117,000 ballots or more (in blue area obviously)

god forbid people put in any precaution measures during a pandemic...
renzo marQuez
Member
Sat Oct 31 16:55:50
If they were not cast in compliance with state law they don't get counted.
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