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patom
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Sat Nov 07 04:21:21
to concede these are the possibilities:
http://qz....ses-to-concede/?utm_source=YPL
Paramount
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Sat Nov 07 05:10:00
I have a feeling that Trump is somehow going to steal the election and cheat his way to four more years. If there is a way he is gonna do it.
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Sat Nov 07 05:15:46

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Habebe
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Sat Nov 07 05:29:05
Paramount, Could you imagine the chimpout? Faithless electors would be a bad way to go. The PR is just horrible, it would lead the way to court packing being acceptable.
patom
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Sat Nov 07 06:42:17
Habebe, don't look now but the courts are already packed. What do you think the McConnell Senate has been doing for the last 3 1/2 years?
Habebe
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Sat Nov 07 06:49:16
Tom, In a more acceptable manner.

Trump in theory could legally win the election by convincing Republican state legislatures to choose lackeys. But that's politically unacceptable.

Actually packing the court is as well. Being slick with the rules in the way Darth McConnell did flies under the radar to the point its not big of a deal to most people.Sort of banning 3rd parties.
Rugian
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Sat Nov 07 07:19:30
patom
Member Sat Nov 07 06:42:17
"Habebe, don't look now but the courts are already packed. What do you think the McConnell Senate has been doing for the last 3 1/2 years?"

Appointing judges as prescribed by the Constitution. Also, please stop abusinf the "packing" term, you are using it incorrectly.
Habebe
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Sat Nov 07 08:11:53
I just have up on the term...
Wrath of Orion
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Sat Nov 07 08:21:58
I see Retard Rod 2.0 is still pretty butthurt today.
Habebe
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Sat Nov 07 08:25:35
Are you hitting on me? Id probably be too old for tastes.
patom
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Sat Nov 07 09:41:18
Rugian, NOT appointing/blocking/sitting etc. on vacant seats on the Federal benches while Obama was in office. Is that also prescribed in the Constitution?
Rugian
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Sat Nov 07 09:51:58
Patom

Its up to the Senate to determine whether or not presidential nominees to the judiciary should be confirmed. If Obama had wanted to get his picks through, he should have picked candidates who were more palatable to the Senate majority.

Essentially you are saying that the Senate should have acted as a rubberstamp, mindlessly autoconfirming Obama's picks no matter who they were.

Its also worth putting noting that just a year or so prior, the Democrats had nuked the filibuster for judicial nominees in order to cram more of them through the system. If *that's* not packing...
Dukhat
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Sat Nov 07 09:56:36
Lol, he picked grassley’s top choice for the supreme court and mitch wouldn’t even give him a hearing. Again rugian makes shit up.
Rugian
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Sat Nov 07 10:04:25
I have no idea what Dukhat's mouthing off about...but Obama got 18 district judges and 2 court of appeals judges through the Senate confirmation process in 2015-6. Clearly, the rate of confirmation was significantly lower than in 2014, but it's not like McConnell was just automatically rejecting all of Obama's nominations during that period.
Y2A
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Sat Nov 07 10:48:34
If the clown refuses, the military must intervene.
Habebe
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Sat Nov 07 11:05:21
Y2a, Do they? Representatives from the military have said time and time again that that isnt there job. Maybe local Sherriffs? They generally handle evictions.
patom
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Sat Nov 07 15:21:33
Rugian
"Its also worth putting noting that just a year or so prior, the Democrats had nuked the filibuster for judicial nominees in order to cram more of them through the system. If *that's* not packing..."

Why pray tell did they have to kill the filibuster? Could have possibly been McConnell and company blocking every appointment put forward by the Democrats? In the mean time court cases were backing up clogging the courts while seats remained vacant.

We really need to find a different way to appoint judges in this country.
kargen
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Sat Nov 07 16:08:58
He is going to go to Florida and stay in the news cycle as long as the press is fixated on him. He will continue to tweet and might take a page out of Hillary's playbook and go back and forth from blaming others and claiming the election was stolen for four years.
Depending on how 2022 goes I'm thinking 65% chance he runs again 2024.

Going on a tangent President-elect Biden is mostly going in as a lame duck president. He doesn't have the Senate and doesn't even have control of his own party. Executive orders with any impact will end up in front of the Supreme Court.

And if President Trump does finally go off the deep end and refuses to leave the white house it doesn't mean he will be doing anything other than squatting in the white house. Then President Biden can just handle business from a near-by apartment for a while.
Rugian
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Sat Nov 07 16:25:52
"He will continue to tweet"

Jack Dorsey is absolutely going to permanently him on January 21.
Rugian
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Sat Nov 07 16:26:05
*permaban him
Rugian
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Sat Nov 07 16:33:33
patom

Again, you are blaming McConnell and Senate Republicans for exercising their advise and consent rights.

Obama and Harry Reid could have struck some sort of grand bargain with the GOP to put forth some sort of balanced slate of judicial nominees...instead they decided to play harball and go it alone. The blowback from that decision was that the Republicans had zero interest in playing along with Obama when they rode into power.
kargen
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Sat Nov 07 17:55:50
Nah Dorsey can't permaban him. Politicians on both sides of the isle are looking for a reason to step in and over regulate social media sites.
chuck
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Sat Nov 07 18:52:41
Of course he can.

What elected Democrat will give a shit about Twitter telling Trump to fuck off?

"Private companies are really the modern town square so much free speech" is a sentiment pretty much confined to the right.

Let Trump get a Gab account.
chuck
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Sat Nov 07 18:53:05
*muh free speech
kargen
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Sat Nov 07 20:10:45
They won't give a shit about President Trump. What they will give a shit about is exerting power over these companies and they will use any excuse to do it. Remember how caustic Elizabeth Warren and others were/are towards these large companies.

The Republican controlled Senate is the only thing keeping Democrats from regulating these companies into oblivion.
Dakyron
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Sat Nov 07 21:04:45
He doesnt have to concede. Concede is what you do when its obvious you are losing but its not officially over. He can just lose without conceding.

If he refuses to leave the white house, then he would be forcibly removed by law enforcement.
Y2A
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Sat Nov 07 21:13:24
"As we said on July 19th, the American people will decide this election. And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House,” campaign spokesperson Andrew Bates said in a statement.
Habebe
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Mon Nov 09 01:32:52
Rugian,"Again, you are blaming McConnell and Senate Republicans for exercising their advise and consent rights."

Biden has claimed that pushing through ACB was unconstitutional.He is telling a lie and wrong.
Forwyn
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Mon Nov 09 18:56:29
Lol. CNN's electoral map has flipped AZ back to gray
habebe
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Mon Nov 09 19:09:30
Are there any polls for the US to see what people thinknof the election?
Forwyn
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Mon Nov 09 19:27:02
LOL. RCP showing PA gray again. Biden at 259 by their count
habebe
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Mon Nov 09 19:31:44
http://www...ans-free-fair-elections-435488

38% of Republicans expect Trump to still win.
Dukhat
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Mon Nov 09 20:20:13
Lol, Rcp showingi its true colors. PA won’t be close.
kargen
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Mon Nov 09 22:07:33
"If he refuses to leave the white house, then he would be forcibly removed by law enforcement."

I'm sure the secret service would escort him to the front gate. They are there to protect the president and his residence so as of January 21rst President Trump would lose the presidential detail and instead get the former president package. The White House isn't a part of the former president package so secret service would have no problem removing him.
Paramount
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Tue Nov 10 14:12:26
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo refused to accept Joe Biden’s victory as President-elect, saying at the State Department Tuesday that “there will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."

http://edi...24bf2d9e4098e37e905b8c19487beb
Paramount
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Tue Nov 10 14:21:12
You all should prepare for war now.
Rugian
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Tue Nov 10 14:28:32
“there will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."

Lol what a troll.
Habebe
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Tue Nov 10 14:38:13
Paramount, I think at this point they wont acknowledge it until the electors meet, I think Dec. 14th.... To be honest though there are a bunch of wierd details about how they meet and " safe harbour day" that there may be some loophole and then we habe war.
Dakyron
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Tue Nov 10 14:40:51
The Pompeo quote is taken out of context. He was clearly being facetious when he said it, with a wry "I know how stupid this sounds grin". He then talked about how there would be a smooth transition no matter who is President on January 21st.
chuck
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Tue Nov 10 14:42:11
> LOL, RCP showing PA gray again

Disinformation:

http://mob...RCP/status/1325973800891150336
Habebe
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Tue Nov 10 15:09:13
So why hasn't PA counted any votes in days, I feel like its been stuck at 99% for a while.
Paramount
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Tue Nov 10 15:25:47
Here is Pompeos speech

http://twitter.com/cspan/status/1326230270421426183?s=21


So what does that grin mean that he makes after saying that there will be a smooth transition to second Trump admin? I kinda interpret it that Pompeo thinks that Trump is a total idiot child. But I’m not sure.

Maybe Trump sees this too and fire Pompeo tomorrow?
Habebe
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Tue Nov 10 15:44:57
Dec. 8 'safe harbor' deadline is a critical date in nightmare election scenarios
BY DEBRA CASSENS WEISS

SEPTEMBER 25, 2020, 11:16 AM CDT

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Delayed election results could lead to a constitutional crisis that involves the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and differing vote certifications.

The law sets two deadlines for states, report the Atlantic (here and here), CNN and the New Yorker. One date, “the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December,” is when the electoral college meets to cast ballots for program. This year, the date is Dec. 14.

The other date, which is six days before the electoral college date, is the “safe harbor” deadline for states to choose electors that they can ensure will be accepted by Congress. That date is Dec. 8 this year.

What if the votes are not counted by Dec. 8 because of delays from mail-in ballots, vote-counting disputes and recounts? And what if states, swayed by claims of vote fraud, decide to appoint electors that appear to contravene the vote count? Those are among the scenarios considered by the Atlantic, CNN and the New Yorker.

And what if President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden are ready to assume the presidency Jan. 20? That is the date that the Constitution sets for the new term to begin.

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., has proposed pushing back the safe harbor date in legislation introduced last month. But Congress has not acted on the bill, and some states put the safe harbor provision into their own laws, according to CNN.

According to unnamed sources who spoke with the Atlantic, the Trump campaign is discussing plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states.

2020 voting buttons Image from Shutterstock.com.
“With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly,” according to the Atlantic. “The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe harbor deadline expires.”

Republicans control both chambers of the legislature in the top six battleground states—Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. In Arizona and Florida, the governors are also Republican. In the other four states, the governors are Democrats.

If a GOP-controlled legislature was to appoint electors for Trump, but the Democratic governor refuses to certify them, which decision would control? “No one knows” the answer for sure, according to the New Yorker.

The articles spin through other scenarios in which a state fails to submit a winner by Dec. 14, the House and Senate disagree on a challenge to state votes, Vice President Mike Pence decides which state electors are counted, and no candidate wins a majority of electoral votes after a state’s votes are discarded.

Rebecca Green, a professor at the William & Mary Law School, told CNN that the Electoral Count Act “is tremendously complex and leaves a lot of gaps.” It could be up to the courts to sort it all out, she said.

Richard Hasen, a professor at the University of California at Irvine School of Law, sees the possibility of “a protracted postelection struggle in the courts and the streets if the results are close.”

“The kind of election meltdown we could see would be much worse than 2000’s Bush v. Gore case,” he told the Atlantic.

http://www...n-nightmare-election-scenarios
Dakyron
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Wed Nov 11 10:59:31
That is basically a month away. Just more fearmongering stupidity.
hood
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Wed Nov 11 11:04:46
"the Trump campaign is discussing plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states."

Bullet to the brain. Boom squish!
habebe
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Wed Nov 11 11:05:18
Typical sensationalism look I g for stories where there isn't one.
Forwyn
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Wed Nov 11 11:09:28
"Disinformation"

Ah. So RCP is simply more trustworthy than AP/CNN/Fox/etc. Thanks for the correction
chuck
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Wed Nov 11 11:19:27
Rudy Giuliani was spreading disinformation in claiming it had been changed back to gray by RCP. RCP never called it in the first place.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 11 11:26:12
Figures. Rudy has been a disingenuous cuck since at least 2008, probably before.
habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 11:31:26
I wonder how much is intentional with Rudy and how much is him just being in mental decline, the dude is like 80, and clearly a hot mess all around.
obaminated
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Wed Nov 11 15:20:00
90 percent of counties came out and voted... and all voted Biden. Seems sketchy as fuck.
obaminated
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Wed Nov 11 15:20:12
Mail in*
Paramount
Member
Sun Nov 15 11:25:50
Yesterday, Putin told Trump to accept reality:


RT
@RT_com
14 nov.
Russia state-affiliated media

Time to accept reality?


http://twitter.com/rt_com/status/1327662579175596033?s=21



Donald Trump today:


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
4h
He won because the Election was Rigged

http://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1327956491056279552?s=21
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