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Allahuakbar
Member
Mon Nov 09 13:38:47
But why the compensation?


http://www...elicopter-shot-down-in-armenia


Two dead as Russian military helicopter shot down in Armenia

Incident threatens to draw Moscow further into conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh



A Russian military helicopter has been shot down over Armenia, threatening to draw Moscow further into an escalating conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan that has left thousands dead.

The Russian Mi-24 military helicopter was shot down on Monday by a surface-to-air missile while escorting a convoy from a Russian military base in the country. Two Russian servicemen were killed in the attack, Moscow said, and another was injured. The Russian defence ministry said it was investigating who was behind the attack.

Later on Monday evening, Azerbaijan’s foreign ministry took responsibility for the attack on the Russian helicopter and apologised, saying that Baku was willing to pay compensation.


Armenia’s emergency ministry reported that the crash took place near the village of Yeraskh, which is in southern Armenia near the border with Azerbaijan.

That is far from the fighting in the contested region of Nagorno-Karabakh, where Azerbaijan has launched a bloody offensive to retake the mountain enclave from de facto Armenian control. The attack appeared to come from across the border in the Azerbaijani-held Nakhchivan region.

The attack will test Russia’s willingness to stay on the sidelines of the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, both ex-Soviet nations with which Russia maintains good relations and arms contracts. Azerbaijan is backed by Turkey, a regional rival which Moscow has both courted and countered by backing rival sides in Syria.

Moscow has said it will honour a commitment to defend Armenia under a military treaty if fighting spills beyond Nagorno-Karabakh, which is internationally recognised as Azerbaijani territory but has been controlled by an Armenian-backed administration since 1994.

But Moscow has largely stood by as Azerbaijan’s forces have moved through the mountain enclave, claiming to capture the mountaintop town of Shusha and approaching the region’s largest city of Stepanakert.

A Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman played down the likelihood of military intervention, urging both sides to end hostilities but said that Moscow “does not support a forcible settlement of this crisis.”

Azerbaijan on Monday released its first evidence that it had taken the city of Shusha (called Shushi in Armenian), including a short video showing Azerbaijani troops raising a flag over the city administration.

An official in the Nagorno-Karabakh administration confirmed it had lost control over Shusha on Monday and warned that an Azerbaijani offensive was close to Stepanakert.

“Shushi is entirely outside of our control,” Vahram Poghosyan, the spokesman for the Nagorno-Karabakh administration, wrote on Facebook on Monday. Poghosyan did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but he did confirm his remarks to Reuters and local Armenian media.

However, other local and Armenian officials denied that Shusha had been taken. In a statement on Monday evening, the prime minister, Nikol Pashinyan, said that the “battle for the city of Shushi is continuing.”

“The [Nagorno Karabakh] defense army and militia are firmly standing on their native soil, and we will continue fighting against the enemy till the end,” he said.
jergul
large member
Mon Nov 09 17:52:02
Also. Bears invaded a nuclear submarine and a soldier fragged 3 officers.

A lulzy day in the USSR(light).
werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Nov 09 19:18:23
once again nato proves its evil by supporting unfree muslim regime of azerbaijan over good christians of armenia

#natosucks
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Nov 10 06:48:59
Sad how Armenians counted on brotherly russia to take their side against erdogan and muslim hordes. With putin military base inside Armenia, and Armenia even joining that retarded union, all done to have a supposed Moscow ally on their side.
Allahuakbar
Member
Tue Nov 10 07:04:44
Russia is to weak to defend Armenia against Erdogan, war already over!

http://www...gorno-karabakh-azerbaijan.html


Facing Military Debacle, Armenia Accepts a Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh War

In an agreement brokered by Russia, Azerbaijan won many of the concessions it has sought for decades in negotiations over the Nagorno-Karabakh separatist region.
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Nov 10 07:10:34
"In an agreement brokered by Russia, Azerbaijan won many of the concessions it has sought for decades in negotiations over the Nagorno-Karabakh separatist region"


Thats putin supporting unfree muslim regime of azerbaijan over good christians of armenia.
habebe
Member
Tue Nov 10 07:57:28
Muslim, Christian....meh, they both worship a jew.

All hail Baal!
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 10:32:06
It is better to believe in the Nordic Gods like Tor, Oden, Balder, Freja, etc. I believe they are the real Gods.

The Abrahamic religions are for people in the Middle East.
Rugian
Member
Tue Nov 10 10:37:46
Asking as someone who hasn't followed this story too much...how does this not come off as Putin getting hugely embarrassed by Turkey here? Erdogan and his junior partner just ran roughshod over Putin's junior partner and won.
werewolf dictator
Member
Tue Nov 10 10:44:55
i understand that russia with only 150 million people dont have resources for conventional forces to fight nato-islamo-fascists in every theatre of the globe..

but why he dont use nukes.. idk

hopefully with biden he starts using common sense.. or he is replaced by someone who will
jergul
large member
Tue Nov 10 11:04:48
Putin also has to worry about the threat of bears taking over nuclear submarines, so he has been outflanked so to speak.
werewolf dictator
Member
Tue Nov 10 11:18:14
over 50 years ago.. cia developed radio wave mind control over carnivore dogs in mkultra

now they probably move onto bears and their own citizens
Habebe
Member
Tue Nov 10 12:11:01
I think paramount is secretly a neo Nazi.....more every day.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 13:25:35
Because the Nordic Gods are Nazis?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Nov 10 13:30:16
No, because Nazis worship Nordic gods.
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Nov 10 13:35:20
“i understand that russia with only 150 million people dont have resources for conventional forces to fight nato-islamo-fascists in every theatre of the globe.. “


Agreed. It takes money to warmonger. You wanna be USA junior, and fight global conflicts? Maybe putin should prioritize, instead of fighting in Central Africa or in Libya, spend a little more helping out good christians of Armenia. Also, maybe russia should sell more weapons to Azeris, if money is tight. It is hard to be a poor shithole with global military ambitions, choices need to be made
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 13:46:32
Nazis worship Christianity also:

Nazi ranks had people of varied religious leanings. They were followers of Christianity, but were frequently at odds with the Pope, which gave an anti-catholic veneer to the party. They were also antisemitic and considered paganism and other forms of heterodox religious beliefs as heresy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Nov 10 14:16:08
Stop what about Christian Nazis. The point is that there are just too many warning flags with you. You clearly have some obesession about Jews and now you tell us you believe in the Nordic Gods. You know that Hitler and the Nazis were obsessed with old Nordic mythology, right? The Old Norse religion unlike Christianity, a semitic religion, is an Aryan religion.

And that my friend, is why you are a Nazi.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 14:19:24
Sure. Whatever.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Nov 10 14:23:20
"During the 1930s and 1940s, elements of Old Norse and other Germanic religions were adopted by Nazi Germany.[298] Since the fall of the Nazis, various right-wing groups continue to use elements of Old Norse and Germanic religion in their symbols, names, and references;[298] some Neo-Nazi groups, for instance, use Mjöllnir as a symbol.[299]"

You did not grow up in Sweden and not notice that Neo-nazis here are really fond of their cultural heritage and that most of civil society, kinda let them have it. Well, it turns out like everything else Neo-Nazi, it started with the actual Nazis.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 14:28:46
We can be Nazis together? You vote for SD who were founded by Neo-Nazis who worship Tor, Oden and Mjölnir.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 14:32:15
Btw, I’m actually not religious. But I feel like if I was to believe in a man in the sky, I would pick the Nordic Gods.
Dakyron
Member
Tue Nov 10 14:52:47
"Btw, I’m actually not religious. But I feel like if I was to believe in a man in the sky, I would pick the Nordic Gods. "

Why? Nordic mythology is just as rife with inconsistencies and nonsense as any other religion.

CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Nov 10 14:58:36
Paramount explained why, he is not religious so he doesn’t give a crap about inconsistencies and nonsense that all religions have. I think he is choosing Nordic gods purely on optics, wants to look cool.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 15:17:36
Yup. I think the overall theme is kinda cool.
Dakyron
Member
Tue Nov 10 15:23:13
So... you are a neo-Nazi?
Habebe
Member
Tue Nov 10 15:37:35
"The point is that there are just too many warning flags with you. You clearly have some obesession about Jews and now you tell us you believe in the Nordic Gods. "

Nims on to my point about " more every day"

Over time little tid bits here and there led me to that idea.The Norse gods thing just seems uber popular with those folks, thors hammer and Odin etc.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 15:40:33
Of course not, I would be voting for SD and support Trump if I was. Although they are not like grand old nazi party, but they swim in the same waters.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 15:45:27
” The Norse gods thing just seems uber popular with those folks, thors hammer and Odin etc.”

It is also ”popular” by Scandinavians since we are Nords. And the theme is also popular among people who plays role-playing games,
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Nov 10 15:57:30
But also. Nazis.
Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 10 16:25:25
I think that was mainly in the 90’s when they had nothing else to do but to drink beer and pretend they were vikings. Today Nazis are more into politics and SD. They have exchanged Tor’s hammer with a tie.
werewolf dictator
Member
Tue Nov 10 16:59:54
who wants to be usa jr.. that would be canada which has racist blackface wearing pm and deputy pm who boasts how she gets moral training from her ukrainian nazi grandparents.. but if you want to take back crimea and donbass you have to not suck so much as a country elsewhere too

who wants to be usa-nato either.. all they do is lose wars and destabilize countries and entire regions.. other than defeating armenia the only war they involved in where they win was vs isis thanks to trump and putin etc.. if all natos combined money was decisive then they dont lose in iraq.. afghanistan.. vs assad.. in ukraine aggression.. dont turn libya into failed state with open air slave markets and mass drownings [unless that was their evil intentions which maybe it was].. etc..
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Nov 10 17:12:11
who wants to be usa jr..“

You do, dumbass. Well, putin does, you are not relevant

“ russia with only 150 million people dont have resources for conventional forces to fight nato-islamo-fascists in every theatre of the globe..“

America has been fighting this fight for a while now, you might have noticed. Change the evildoers name a little and go around the globe fighting them. I did acknowledge that russia currently lacks resources to be belligerent like USA and back it up, because russia is a poorer country. And since USA also have been fighting global menace for longer, russia is like a poorer copy of Americans, hence the USA Jr name
habebe
Member
Tue Nov 10 17:13:51
Its crazy that Trudeau gets a pass on that but euros will often cite Trump as racist
werewolf dictator
Member
Tue Nov 10 17:17:09
russia [and china for that matter] wants to be the good guys in places like africa.. not be like western nations bad guys [who become nato] that enslave and colonize its residents.. and then neglect place rather than pay reparations
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Nov 10 18:47:03
Good for russia [and china], I'm on board with that
Allahuakbar
Member
Sat Nov 14 16:06:01
Sour losers

http://apn...83aa9dae982b8bda76a4c370d8af09

Armenians torch their homes on land ceded to Azerbaijan


KALBAJAR, Azerbaijan (AP) — In a bitter farewell to his home of 21 years, Garo Dadevusyan wrenched off its metal roof and prepared to set the stone house on fire. Thick smoke poured from houses that his neighbors had already torched before fleeing this ethnic Armenian village about to come under Azerbaijani control.

The village is to be turned over to Azerbaijan on Sunday as part of territorial concessions in an agreement to end six weeks of intense fighting with Armenian forces. The move gripped its 600 people with fear and anger so deep that they destroyed the homes they once loved.


The settlement — called Karvachar in Armenian — is legally part of Azerbaijan, but it has been under the control of ethnic Armenians since the 1994 end of a war over the Nagorno-Karabakh region. That war left not only Nagorno-Karabakh itself but substantial surrounding territory in Armenian hands.

After years in which sporadic clashes broke out between Azerbaijani and Armenian forces, full-scale fighting began in late September this year. Azerbaijan made relentless military advances, culminating in the seizure of the city of Shusha, a strategically key city and one of strong emotional significance as a longtime center of Azeri culture.

Two days after Azerbaijan announced it had taken Shusha, Armenia and Azerbaijan signed a Russia-brokered cease-fire under which territory that Armenia occupies outside the formal borders of Nagorno-Karabakh will be gradually ceded.


Muslim Azeris and Christian Armenians once lived together in these regions, however uneasily. Although the cease-fire ends the fighting, it aggravates ethnic animosity.

“In the end, we will blow it up or set it on fire, in order not to leave anything to Muslims,” Dadevusyan said of his house.

He spoke while taking a rest from salvaging what he could from the home, including metal roof panels, and piling it onto an old flatbed truck.

The truck’s final destination was unclear.

“We are homeless now, do not know where to go and where to live. Do not know where to live. It is very hard,” Dadevusyan’s wife, Lusine, said, choked by tears the couple gave the interior of the house a last look.

Dadevusyan’s dismay extended to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Armenia and Russia keep close relations and Russia has a sizeable military base in Armenia, so many Armenians had hoped for support from Moscow. Instead, Russia facilitated the cease-fire and territorial concessions and is sending in nearly 2,000 peacekeepers to enforce it.


“Why has Putin abandoned us?” Dadevusyan said.

On Saturday, kilometers-long (miles-long) columns of cars and trucks carrying fleeing residents jammed the road to Armenia.

Scores of local people flocked to Dadivank, an Armenian Apostolic Church monastery dating to the 9th century, as priests removed sacred items to be taken away. Many of the visitors took photos of themselves at the site nestled in the mountains near Karvachar, suggesting they did not expect to see it again.

A small group of Russian peacekeepers watched from across the road, some sitting on their armored vehicles.

The monastery’s abbot, the Rev. Hovhannes Ter-Hovhannisyan, walked over to greet them.

“It’s very important to us that the Russian peacekeepers came today in order to preserve peace, because not all the questions of our future have been resolved,” he said. “But I am sure that justice will triumph.”

Hundreds of thousands of Azeris were displaced by the war that ended in 1994. It is unclear when any civilians might try to settle in Karvachar — which will now be known by its Azeri name Kalbajar — or elsewhere.

Any returns could be wrenching. Settlers will confront the burned, empty shells of houses — or worse. Agdam, which is to be turned over next week, once was a city of about 40,000, but now is an empty sprawl of buildings that were destroyed in the first war or later ruined by pillagers grabbing building materials.

Returning also is potentially dangerous because of the remnants of war. The Azerbaijani general prosecutor’s office said one man was killed and another injured Saturday when they triggered a mine left over from the fighting in Fizuli, an area now under Azerbaijani control.

For the Dadevusyans, their sudden relocation is overwhelming beyond words.

“When you spent 21 years here and now need to leave it...,” Garo Dadevusyan said, trailing off, as smoke from nearby burning houses choked the air. Soon, he knew, his house would be one of them.

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