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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 09 16:44:17
"Is that false though?"

i dunno, that 'reporter's link doesn't go anywhere... she's just saying go to OANN (where truth goes to die), but nowhere specifically

however i'm going to go out on a limb & just doubt that Hillary had voting machines rigged

(even though she assassinates people, & hired an oppo research guy to assemble a fake dossier on Trump then give it to the FBI where it would never be known about by voters before election & would never achieve anything after as it was all fake)
Habebe
Member
Mon Nov 09 17:34:45
Well it seems Trump is still a long maker so to speak.

http://www...-secretary-state-resign-435484

Both GA Senator candidates are clinging to Trump.

As well as Lindsey Graham and Darth McConnell.
jergul
large member
Mon Nov 09 18:04:35
habebe
They fucking have to. Trump could scorch earth their asses. His impact is not some forward looking 2022 need of his support. He could toss the Senate into DNC hands in January if he decided illoyality has to be punished.
jergul
large member
Mon Nov 09 18:05:00
disloyality*
jergul
large member
Mon Nov 09 18:18:03
Kingmakers are not uncommon in politics, but someone this willing to pull the trigger on misbehaving allies is unique.

It gives Trump an insane amount of leverage. I see no end to it.
patom
Member
Mon Nov 09 18:23:54
Trump seems to be playing Santa Claus, making a list and checking it twice
Gonna find out who's disloyal or groveling.

He'll probably make the transition as hard as possible on Biden and blame it all on Biden.
Habebe
Member
Mon Nov 09 18:26:11
Jergul, I think its deeper than that. Trump is still uber popular with Republican voters. Trump isnt going anywhere anytime soon, other than out of the white house.

Trump does have insane leverage because his threats are taken seriously and he has an army of voters behind him that not only voted for him but revere him.
Habebe
Member
Mon Nov 09 18:29:28
Patom, The transition is controlled by the GSA, not Trump.

This will be the roughest transition since Bush V Gore where they held out until almost Xmas.The clinton team was also spiteful, so who knows what they did other than removing all of the W keys from the keyboards.
jergul
large member
Mon Nov 09 18:44:02
Its not about the mass of people who really like Trump, its about the people willing to implode the GOP if Trump asks them to.

Perhaps as much as 10% of the overall vote in any given election. The ones who will vote GOP anyway are irrelevant.

The DNC has the same thing. Bernie bros. But Sanders is not a kingmaker because he is not credibly willing to pull the trigger.
jergul
large member
Mon Nov 09 18:52:31
Habebe
A bit of a stretch there to think the GSA independent of the president.
habebe
Member
Mon Nov 09 19:15:30
I guess he could put some pressure on, the current head was voted in unanimously bunthe Senate, dems and Reps.

Technically its an independent organization.
habebe
Member
Mon Nov 09 19:30:22
http://www...ans-free-fair-elections-435488

90% of democrats say election was.free.and fair. 70% of Republicans say it was a fraud.

38% of Republicans expect Trump to win the election.

With his rallies coming up these numbers could change.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Nov 09 19:50:46
That's just a staggering amount of idiocy. It's incredible how much Trump has brainwashed people. Sucks to say it, but tw's characterization of his followers as cultists is right on.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 09 22:18:54
he had a lot of assistance in the brainwashing from Fox News (who i'm sure appreciated his 'fake news' campaign against everyone else)

-----

"Georgia's election result will include legally cast ballots - and ONLY legally cast ballots. Period." [giant photo of his face]
~ Brian Kemp, GA governor
http://twitter.com/BrianKempGA/status/1325890553536516097

R's really beating the hell out of that straw man
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 09 22:33:00
"The @US_FDA and the Democrats didn’t want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later – As I’ve said all along!"
~ ____

a nice new baseless smear of the FDA

& the vaccine's out everybody... go get yours tomorrow

-------------

"If Joe Biden were President, you wouldn’t have the Vaccine for another four years, nor would the @US_FDA have ever approved it so quickly. The bureaucracy would have destroyed millions of lives!"
~ ____

four years... yep... he didn't pull that out of his ass or anything... + the millions of lives...

------------

"As I have long said, @Pfizer and the others would only announce a Vaccine after the Election, because they didn’t have the courage to do it before. Likewise, the @US_FDA should have announced it earlier, not for political purposes, but for saving lives!"
~ ____

oh, and Pfizer is corrupt too
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 09 22:40:53
"
.@FoxNews, @QuinnipiacPoll, ABC/WaPo, NBC/WSJ were so inaccurate with their polls on me, that it really is tampering with an Election. They were so far off in their polling, and in their attempt to suppress - that they should be called out for Election Interference...
...ABC/WaPo had me down 17 points in Wisconsin, the day before the election, and I WON! In Iowa, the polls had us 4 points down, and I won by 8.2%! Fox News and Quinnipiac were wrong on everything...
...The worst polling ever, and then they’ll be back in four years to do it again. This is much more then voter and campaign finance suppression!
"
~ ____

pretty sure he's lying about a 17 pt poll in WI (as he always lies), on 538 the highest i see is Biden ~+7... & he did -NOT- win WI... & polls showing him 4 down in Iowa appears to be a lie too by 538, almost all showed him leading...

it's clearly NOT election interference or suppression as no reason Fox News also had bad polls for him

& most importantly he NEVER showed any that were good for him... so even his own internal pollsters were working against him?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 09 22:46:30
"This is good news, it means I won! "

~____ 's response to GA governor's comment above (legal votes only)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 09 22:51:16
oops, i misread 538 polls... there is a +17 for WI... the absolute most extreme poll on 538, of course (i was only doing half the math) see, i correct my errors... as ____ has done zero times

nevertheless he did NOT win Wisconsin & Fox had same shit & he never provided any polls to the contrary
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 00:57:04
not sure if Mark Levin getting nuttier or was always batshit insane...

Mark Levin:
"
1. Phony Joe Biden.
Joe Biden is truly an ambulance chaser. He had nothing to do with the vaccine that is about to be made available to the public, he had nothing to do with the manufacturing process that is already underway,

2. and he had nothing to do with the distribution process that is set in place, all of which were superbly instituted by President Trump and his team.

3. So, there he is, at a podium, reading from a teleprompter, telling us how he will follow the science, how he will distribute the vaccine, etc.,

4. now that Pfizer announced today that its vaccine is ready to go very, very soon (obviously, Pfizer chose to hold back its announcement until after the election).

5. This is the kind of bullshit we are going to hear from this clown (to quote him), who did absolutely nothing and has done absolutely nothing.

<continues a bit more>
http://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1325850068860231680

that's not what 'ambulance chaser' means... Trump also had NOTHING to do w/ the manufacturing process... & the crazy claiming Pfizer corrupt like Trump... & as to 'he did nothing' what did he expect Biden to do to assist vaccine development?

the vaccine is NOT about to roll out, so Biden WILL be involved in distribution, why shouldn't he talk about it

Trump has no more claim to it than Biden

fucking cultists think Trump in the research labs i guess, when in reality he doesn't even understand the basic process of trials... plus Biden actually knows the different types of vaccines, Trump knows no details (as always)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 01:00:07
when it doesn't roll out immediately, he'll probably claim Pfizer (or FDA) holding it back longer as offended by his comments so wants to hurt him

everyone is always corrupt & out to get him
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 12:12:03
"
Republicans, don’t let Andrew McCabe continue to get away with totally criminal activity. What he did should never be allowed to happen to our Country again. FIGHT FOR JUSTICE!
"
~ continuous fraudster

a pot shot at McCabe out of nowhere... maybe moron saw him on TV

'arrest my enemies!!!'
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 16:51:52
"
BREAKING NEWS: Erie, Pa. #USPS whistleblower completely RECANTED his allegations of a supervisor tampering with mail-in ballots after being questioned by investigators, according to IG.

Here are the facts: Richard Hopkins is a USPS employee in Erie, Pa.

He signed a sworn affidavit with allegations of ballot tampering/fraud and went public through Project Veritas.

#USPS IG began investigating last week.

#USPS IG investigators informed Committee staff today that they interviewed Hopkins on Friday, but that Hopkins RECANTED HIS ALLEGATIONS yesterday and did not explain why he signed a false affidavit.
"
http://twitter.com/OversightDems/status/1326289047933816836

so the beacon of fraud inspired fraud in a cultist? how surprising
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Nov 10 16:55:54
Presumably that is a crime and he'll be charged?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 17:13:54
one would hope

unless we're going to baby the cultists like we are babying the 'president'
habebe
Member
Tue Nov 10 17:20:11
Either he was intimidated or he falsified a crime ( possible perjury? not sure of the details of the " affidavit")
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 18:39:49
the election maps Lou Dobbs putting out:
(see 3:20-4:00)
the map "with fraud" has Biden win 304 : 234
the map "without fraud" has Trump win 307 : 231

http://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1326294424398213122

fucking Fox...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 19:07:49
"
Ballot Corruption will be exposed tonight at 9:00pmE on @SeanHannity on @FoxNews!
"
~ fuckhead

yep... Hannity is where you go to break real news...

-------

"
“I don’t care what state you’re in, this computer voting system is wide open to fraud and intervention.” @LouDobbs
True, and wait until you see what’s coming!
"
~ fuckhead

every state was massive fraud!!! our whole system is illegitimate, we are a total shithole!!!

we should've had Euro observers... (or Israeli/Saudi/Russian observers if fuckhead got to pick)
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Nov 10 20:14:29
So did they expose it? It's almost 9:15 PM EST!
Rugian
Member
Tue Nov 10 21:20:27
A TOTAL BOMBSHELL!

"We keep hearing the drumbeat of 'where is the evidence?' Right here, Sean.

234 pages of sworn affidavits. These are real people, real allegations, signed with notarys that are alleging the following..."

@KayleighMcEnany discusses evidence of voter fraud with @SeanHannity
.
http://mob...ner/status/1326353321582620673
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Nov 10 21:32:43
Sweet, the last allegation of voter fraud went really for team Trump, lol. Somehow I'm guessing these won't go much better.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 21:42:23
Texas Lt Gov offering $1 million for voter fraud evidence

that should help pad those pages
Rugian
Member
Tue Nov 10 21:50:25
Getting nervous yet tw? PA back in the gray, full recount in GA, Biden's lead in AZ down to almost nothing, MI legislature has subpoenaed election officials, and NV is Adelson's country.

Can't wait for Trump to be declared the winner in early December lol. Hopefully by then the weather will keep the antifa riots to a minimum.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 22:13:08
PA is not back in the gray & recounts never swing as much as he needs

but yes, i -am- nervous

reportedly some R's are just humoring Trump & giving him time to process or whatever ridiculous unacceptable nonsense (although alternative worse)

however, i don't think that's team Trump's goal, pretty sure it's a barrage of lawsuits to prevent States from certifying a winner so no one gets to 270 so it goes to other means (as Trump repeatedly talked about before election...)

that 100 page PA lawsuit ends w/ requesting that PA not be able to certify winner

Trump is obviously dead set on ruining America before declaring loss, just when are R's going to wake up? or will they ever?

he continues to spew constant fraud tweets (i've covered only a small % here), which he will continue to do daily... R's (except for a few) are really getting pathetic & disgraceful

& Fox News seems worse than ever...
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Nov 10 22:22:13
Rugian has gone full retard, lol
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 10 22:41:34
Laura Ingraham found the Biden/Harris NV van story credible & put on the totally believable person (sorta)

http://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1326379473542012932
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Nov 10 22:47:58
Holy shit, they were smart enough to commit voter fraud in a marked Biden/Harris van? That's the best plan I've ever heard.

Btw, I found an image of Rugian.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlN_Q2BXsAA9tpv.jpg
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 00:39:17
this guy tweeting out some of the Kayleigh/Hannity affidavits
http://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1326401553754886144

#20. Democrat volunteers were verbally aggressive with me.

#21. I was accused by a democrat volunteer of being part of a "cult" for my support of Trump.


...maybe that was me
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 00:42:37
"One Republican poll watcher said he saw some city workers huddled around a military ballot and it looked like they were trying to block his view. Then a city worker showed it to him, but it was "grudgingly." (He doesn't go on to allege anything was wrong with it.)"

[shows full text in image]
http://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1326407122054209538

i gotta say, i'm not seeing thousands of fraud Biden ballots in these allegations...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 00:46:39
and of course if that existed in the pile, they would've separated them out & be highlighting them rather than dumping heaps of shit out & pretending it proves something
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 00:55:19
parody of Laura Ingraham van person

http://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1326398792673931264
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 01:22:54
"
Today in a Pennsylvania court:

Judge: “Are you claiming there there is any fraud..?”
Trump lawyer: “To my knowledge, at present, no.”

Judge: “Are you claiming that there is any undue or improper influence upon the elector...?”
Trump lawyer: “To my knowledge, at present, no.”
"
[more complete court document text at link]
http://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1326395789661310977

the case is about 592 PA ballots where the person didn't put their address (or full address) on the outer envelope

so just trying to trash 592 ballots where they don't suspect any fraud, but just feel rules not followed precisely (defense argues writing address is never spelled out as part of the requirements)


so much non-fraud in these 'fraud' lawsuits, it's just about squelching the will of the people
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Nov 11 04:27:30
RealClearPolitics seems to be trying to gain right-popularity with their election map:
http://www...s/live_results/2020/president/

screenshot for posterity:
http://i.imgur.com/dkNyTzD.png

Unlikely thought it may be, I have to admit that it would be entertaining to see all of the confident DNC Project Mayhem Misinformation Committee people shitting themselves if fraudulent ballots were overturned in Trump's favor. ;)
habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 04:52:52
well IDK what the fuck is going on with AP news its been over a day since the one house race has been conceded and they still have it as gray.
patom
Member
Wed Nov 11 11:46:15
So were those 500 + ballots all in favor of Trump or were they some for each?
But then you say they were set aside because of improper return address on the envelopes. Did they open them to see which way they voted before they set them aside?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 12:09:38
the 592 ballots are from a county that went Biden about 2:1 (& Dems in general sent ~3x more mail-in ballots than Rs) so likely ~85+%ish Biden ballots that team Trump wants tossed (not from fraud, just for technicalities)

i don't know of any court case off-hand on fraud, & most of the complaints i've heard seem to be observers complaining about not enough access (or of rudeness)... & i'll bet a lot of them are first timers as Trump asked 'all' his fans to be observers + told them there'd be fraud for a year, so they were primed to be complainy... plus probably not that familiar w/ the rules (just speculating)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 12:35:31
"
People will not accept this Rigged Election!
"
~ a guy just waiting for legal challenges to play out which is totally reasonable (as Mitch & the other garbage claim)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 12:37:46
"
The Fake Pollsters at @ABC/@washingtonpost produced a possibly illegal suppression Poll just before the Election showing me down 17 points in Wisconsin when, in fact, on Election Day, the race was even - & we are now preparing to win the state. Many such “deplorable” instances!
"
~ the head of the branch in charge of enforcing laws who has no fucking idea what is legal or not

Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 11 12:43:41
Trump definitely has a unique way of honoring veterans - shitting all over them by trying to undermine the framework of the country they fought for through the decades by spreading lies and misinformation.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 13:03:00
someone did put this wreath ceremony on his feed
(caution, irritating rain drop sounds)
http://twi...ump/status/1326573842022752259

he's saluting i'll assume improperly (a brief youtube glance shows Clinton/Bush/Obama all did hand on heart like Pence doing)

not sure if there's any particular rule :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 13:58:12
habebe will love this guy:

"
From Trump's GSA barring Biden transition officials from federal buildings to Whoopi Goldberg telling his voters to suck it up, both sides are playing the politics of payback. Why the anger still rages and the election feels endless
[links to article by him]
"
http://twitter.com/HowardKurtz/status/1326500040454656002

in article:

"We are mired in the politics of perpetual payback.

...

On one side, we have Whoopi Goldberg scolding Trump voters for questioning the election, telling them to “suck it up.”

On the other, we have Mike Pompeo dismissing as “ridiculous” a question about the transition, saying: “There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.”

On one side, former Obama and DNC spokesman Hari Sevugan seemed to endorse a boycott against former Trump staffers, saying “employers considering them should know there are consequences for hiring anyone who helped Trump attack American values.”

On the other, Georgia’s two Republican senators (who are facing runoffs) are calling for the resignation of its secretary of state, also a Republican, for saying any fraud did not rise to the level of overturning Biden’s narrow win there.
"

that's some really fucked up equivalence...

Whoopi vs GSA denying Biden transition resources

Whoopi vs Pompeo

a former D spokesman vs 2 current R Senators trying to oust a Sec of State for being honest (& both of whom have a personal stake in pushing fraud narrative & overturning results)
McKobb
Member
Wed Nov 11 14:06:17
^^^ this

i mean your gonna seriously envoke Whoopi here?

hahaha
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 14:42:07
So disregarding the DNC spokesperson?

Jist like you routinely discount statements from other higher ups in the DNC.
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 11 15:14:05
Tw, you have been lied to for 4 years. Trump isnt a tyrant. Never has been a tyrant. He lost an election and he will leave the office on the 20th of january.

But your media will keep the lie going because they will look like fools if they admit the truth about trump.
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 11 15:15:45
Notice how no cities are burning. No civil war. Nothing is happening that youve been warned would happen if trump lost.
Rugian
Member
Wed Nov 11 15:19:56
Did people really think that cities were boarding up en masse for fear of what would happen if Trump LOST? lol
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 16:04:43
a former spokesman i've never heard of recommending not hiring Trump staffers vs 2 sitting senators attacking an (R) secretary of state for not smearing the election w/ unproven fraud?

yeah... a difference

--------

" He lost an election and he will leave the office on the 20th of january. "
"No civil war."

we'll see

few Rs in congress recognizing Biden's win, Trump -clearly- not accepting it at all & dumping out constant rigged/fraud claims

plus the Fox shows (with ratings) joining him

& whether he will leave or not, he'll continue to drive the wedge as deep as he can

completely unacceptably... show me the mass fraud evidence that swaps 3 states (or any state) or condemn the 'president'
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 11 16:18:29
Trump fluffers detected.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 16:25:32
"
An Arizona Superior Court judge has denied a request by President Trump's reelection team to seal evidence in a lawsuit alleging poll workers in Maricopa County "incorrectly rejected" Election Day votes.

Judge Daniel Kiley agreed with election officials' assertion that the public “has a right to know how flimsy [the] Plaintiffs’ evidence actually is.”

According to the Arizona Republic, the Trump campaign claimed workers had disregarded procedure and that thousands of ballots could have been left uncounted or deemed "overvotes," but Maricopa officials estimated Monday that only 180 ballots were potentially in jeopardy.

It's a figure they said won't "make one iota of difference," according to 12 News.

...
"
http://www...uit-over-maricopa-county-votes

TLDR: court rules the public “has a right to know how flimsy [team Trump's] evidence actually is”, denying Trump's effort to hide the case information

i thought team Trump wanted transparency...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 16:53:52
"You are looking at BALLOTS! Is this what our Country has come to?
[video of people emptying dropbox]"
~ the 'president' of the United States

http://twi...ump/status/1326630618831130624
-------

response by Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk:
"
RE: videos clips of ballots being collected from #LACounty Official Vote by Mail Drop Boxes -- Yes, they are ballots; valid, legally cast ballots collected and processed by authorized election officials in accordance with the California Elections Code.

The Drop Boxes are closed and locked at 8PM on Election Night and then collected the following day. These are valid ballots processed and counted during the post election canvass. Local certification in CA is on Nov 30.
"
==================

nice of the 'president' to NEVER DO AN OUNCE of fact-checking before tweeting incendiary shit out...

done so many times...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 17:24:11
"
There is new information about dead people voting in the General Election. We’ll investigate tonight at 8pm ET on #FoxNews
"
~Tucker

i'll assume no difference from other elections

i'll assume he won't note they just as easily could've voted Trump

& a chance of him noting dead people on voter rolls & implying that means they voted (IT DOES NOT)... seen multiple places imply that nonsense, including the 'president'
habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 17:31:43
A spokesperson that represents the DNC.It would be as if Kaleigh MaCanany made a statement.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 17:41:19
it would be like Kayleigh if she hadn't gotten her current job as WH Press Sec (or CPoSPS) yes...

a much less significant person than sitting senators & with a much less significant message

no equivalence

but at least you aren't defending the Whoopi ones, so small progress
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 18:47:19
"
Nobody wants to report that Pennsylvania and Michigan didn’t allow our Poll Watchers and/or Vote Observers to Watch or Observe. This is responsible for hundreds of thousands of votes that should not be allowed to count. Therefore, I easily win both states. Report the News!
"
~ ƒ®@µδ

nobody wants to report it as it's false

& that's not how a winner declared
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 18:51:00
and for the record, Biden won Michigan by ~150k (w/ 99% reporting)

Trump only won it by ~10k in 2016

(& Biden's win in PA also larger than Trump's 2016 win in PA)
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 18:53:44
No, idc about whoopi. But the spokesperson for.the DNC is a bigger deal than your making it out to be.They literally speak for the DNC.
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 18:56:13
"& Biden's win in PA also larger than Trump's 2016 win in PA"

Amd if HRC contested it legally, she would have been within her rights and you would have supported that thouroughly.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 19:05:32
he's a former spokesperson & had you ever heard of him? & his message does no damage to anything... no one's going to consider hiring a Trump staffer than notice Hari Sevugan's comments and rethink it (& even if they did who cares, far less significant than undermining all faith in the GA election)

senators trying to yank the Sec of State (guy who runs election) because he won't join the fraud train & instead spoke honestly has significance... or cite the senators' evidence of mass fraud

this is mass fraud based purely on deciding it happened... as was pre-decided by Trump... just like every election

----

"
Amd if HRC contested it legally, she would have been within her rights and you would have supported that thouroughly
"

but she didn't... & she didn't repeatedly declare victory in election or over states she lost & didn't repeatedly claim fraud/rigging/stealing OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER to a huge cult who has no ability to detect misinformation & lies

she conceded... hours after media called it...
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 19:11:03
I thought he was a former Obama spokesperson. But current DNC spokesperson.

If he is a former* DNC spokesperson that changes things.
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 11 19:14:29
I mean did anyone expect Trump to bend the knee?

It doesnt seem to burt anything except news anchors feelings.

Biden himself has said it isnt slowing anything down, the transition is moving smoothly.

So it either has no nehative effects or Biden is lying.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 11 20:36:10
Quite a few interviews out there saying it is actually an issue and it's not a good idea for Trump to do this. And the longer it goes on, the more of an issue it will become.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 11 20:37:57
http://the...ccess-to-intelligence-briefing
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 22:00:00
"If he is a former* DNC spokesperson that changes things"

he is a former... a total nobody who if he died, no one would notice

-------

"Biden himself has said it isnt slowing anything down"

because Biden is being the mature adult & trying to keep things calm... plus he knows if he got upset at Trump's antics it would only exacerbate them (as Trump is a child, as proven repeatedly)... pretending it's nothing will make Trump lose interest in that issue

--------

"So it either has no negative effects or Biden is lying"

regardless of effects on Biden, 72 million people voted for an obvious unfit fraud to continue being 'president'... a good % of those are full on cultists believing EVERYTHING he says... them thinking our elections are totally fraudulent & that it was rigged is NOT good for the country

& NO, Hillary did NOT do this, she made NO claim of mass fraud... in fact it was Trump who did... he decided 3-5 million fraud votes for Hillary after coincidentally losing popular vote by 3 million votes... never any justification provided

so maybe just maybe, he's making shit up again... as he's done continuously... all for just his own benefit...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 22:13:29
Trump retweeted this video from loyal cultist Jon Voight
http://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

basically calling for civil war

"the battle of righteousness vs Satan"

"these leftists are evil, corrupt & they want to tear down this nation... we must not allow this"

"let us fight this fight as if it is our last fight on earth"


...just like Hillary said
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 22:26:41
& since i can feel habebe will bring up 'deplorables' as equivalent to all that (it is NOT)

i'll remind people there were TWO baskets of Trump supporters Hillary mentioned... only ONE was deplorables... (and she was spot on)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 11 22:53:33
the only up side to all this, is Trump's horribly unacceptable unfit exit should help solidify him as worst president ever in the history books
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 11 23:04:24
What is it like being a delusuonal retard?

I'm curious.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 00:28:24
"Once his days in court are over, President Trump should do his part to unite the country by leading a peaceful transition and letting grievances go, writes Karl Rove"
[link to article "This Election Result Won’t Be Overturned" w/ paywall]
http://twitter.com/WSJopinion/status/1326658245327540227

do these people never notice anything Trump says or does?

or is he just leaning really heavy on the "should" part?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 00:48:31
apparently we DID have international observers...

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No Evidence of Systematic Fraud in U.S. Elections, International Observer Mission Reports

A team of international observers invited by the Trump administration has issued a preliminary report giving high marks to the conduct of last week’s elections--and it criticizes President Trump for making baseless allegations that the outcome resulted from systematic fraud.

A 28-member delegation from the Organization of American States followed events in several locations across the U.S., including in the battleground states of Georgia and Michigan, both remotely and with observers at polling stations and counting centers.

“While the OAS Mission has not directly observed any serious irregularities that call into question the results so far, it supports the right of all contesting parties in an election, to seek redress before the competent legal authorities when they believe they have been wronged,” the report said. “It is critical however, that candidates act responsibly by presenting and arguing legitimate claims before the courts, not unsubstantiated or harmful speculation in the public media.”

The OAS assessment followed similar findings by an election observation team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

“Baseless allegations of systematic deficiencies, notably by the incumbent president, including on election night, harm public trust in democratic institutions,” Michael Georg Link, leader of the short-term OSCE observer mission, said last week.

The 20-OAS page report praised state and local officials for efforts to facilitate voting during the coronavirus pandemic and, while it had numerous recommendations for improving the elections system, found no evidence of the pervasive fraud that Mr. Trump, who has not conceded the presidential election, has insisted caused his loss to President-elect Joe Biden.

The report noted: '"In his statement the Republican candidate cast further aspersions on the US electoral process, stating that 'This is a case where they’re trying to steal an election. They’re trying to rig an election and we can’t let that happen.' The OAS observers deployed in the battleground states of Michigan and Georgia did not witness any of the aforementioned irregularities.'''

Led by OAS Secretary-General Luis Almagro, the 28-member team included specialists and observers from 13 countries. The OAS routinely sends missions to report independently on elections in member states; this year alone, its observers have filed reports from Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Guyana, Peru and Suriname.

The State Department invited the OAS to send in its team in October, and observers remained in place from Oct. 23 to Nov. 7.

“On Election Day, the members of the Mission were present at polling places in Georgia, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan and the District of Columbia, and observed the process from the opening of the polling centers through to the close of polls and the deposit of voting materials with the appropriate local authorities,'' the report said. "Members of the Mission also visited tabulations centers to observe the tallying of result. In the jurisdictions that it observed, the Mission found that the day progressed in a peaceful manner.”

The Mission notes that attempts by members of the public to ‘stop the count,’ in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona, "were clear examples of intimidation of electoral officials.”

A more detailed final report is forthcoming, the OAS said.

http://www...2020/card/XhlCZ4avYQb0jtdv7F3p

TLDR: Trump is unfit shit
Paramount
Member
Thu Nov 12 00:48:34
” "the battle of righteousness vs Satan"

"these leftists are evil, corrupt & they want to tear down this nation... we must not allow this"

"let us fight this fight as if it is our last fight on earth"


Lol. I said it the other day when Pompedo said there is going to be smooth transition to a second Trump administration — you all should prepare for war.

The Proud Boys are on stand by. Are you?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 12:45:05
i kept a stockpile of supplies (back from the toilet paper scare)

---------

cultist: "BREAKING: Another USPS worker in Pennsylvania has come forth to Project Veritas." [w/ no info]

Trump reply: "Rigged Election! Thanks Ryan."


Project Veritas stuff always works out
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 12:53:41
Trump's machine gun barrage of retweets against Fox & promoting Newsmax (owned by his friend) & OANN (more Hannity than Hannity):

------------

"Fox News ratings dropping lower than Biden’s GPA"

"No Doubt. fox news ran 24/7 in our home for the past 7 yrs. It has not been on the past 7 Days straight. @ News Max Is Where We Go All!!! FOX IS ALL ABOUT CELEBRITY LIKE JOURNALISM!!! AND EVERYONE HAS A BOOK. SMH"

"Like it or not Fox News tried to persuade an election. Wether they did or not I don’t know but the intent was definitely there. I’ll never watch the channel again."

"His response says everything. NEWSMAX and OANN are all we got for now"

"I just downloaded Newsmax"

"How can you get OANN? App, Cable, dish?"

"I’ve been a loyal FOX viewer for many years, until now. Tucker, Hannity and Laura should leave while they can. FOX is pandering to left now and it’s ovvious."

"#foxnews is dead"

"Suit yourself Left Fox 4 NewsMaxxxxx"

"Hey old Fox News lovers... go to Newsmax... last least they are trying to be honest"

"Quite right. They've been a disaster since the election day. DT has not been given any chance by a clearly corrupt media."

"Newsmax and Oann are great alternatives"

"Fox has been completely unfair and untruthful. Moving to Newsmax."

^ those all retweets, then one from the psycho himself:

"
@FoxNews daytime ratings have completely collapsed. Weekend daytime even WORSE. Very sad to watch this happen, but they forgot what made them successful, what got them there. They forgot the Golden Goose. The biggest difference between the 2016 Election, and 2020, was @FoxNews!
"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 12:58:32
"
“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.”
@ChanelRion @OANN
"
~ worst prez


Chanel Rion/OANN stuff always works out

there's no link to anything... but pretty sure if this remotely true it'll get widely covered (or would've been already for that matter)
chuck
Member
Thu Nov 12 13:03:59
Jesus
Rugian
Member
Thu Nov 12 13:08:03
To think that had he lived long enough, Trump could have cured Hot Rod's Fox afdiction.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 15:13:30
another devastating whistleblower account

http://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

summary: after extensive explanation claiming that she worked 6am Nov 3 to 6am Nov 4, she notes there wasn't enough food, & that vans allegedly with food came, but she doesn't believe it was food as the vans didn't seem big enough... she didn't see what was in the vans though

so i guess that means Trump wins whatever state that was

(in fairness -maybe- she had other allegations not in that clip)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 16:28:28
someone live-tweeting the 'sharpie' case in AZ (people claiming they were given sharpies to vote with which they decided didn't work in the machines, even though they did work in the machines...)

==========
"
One of the Trump campaign's witnesses who is claiming that her Sharpie vote for the president wasn't counted just testified that she came to that conclusion after she cast her vote from her talking to her family, other voters, some attorneys and from her "research online."


A second Trump campaign witness claiming problems w/ a Sharpie vote testifies he wasn't sure his vote went through on Election Day--and still isn't sure--but didn't say anything at the time.
"I didn't want to stir up a commotion," he said.


Asked whether he knows if his vote for Trump was counted or not, the witness says he doesn't.

"I don't know if the machine counted it w/the error...I don't know if it was officially counted or not."


Ok, so now the Trump campaign put a poll watcher on the stand hoping he would allege Sharpie improprieties.

And yet...he said that he didn't notice anything wrong on Election Day and would have said something if he did.
"At the time," he said, "everything looked normal."


A 2nd poll watcher testifies that several times she saw a poll worker hitting either a RED or GREEN button on voting machine for voters w/o 1st getting permission. (Which seems like pro-Trump evidence.)
But under cross she admits she didn't know what those buttons actually did.


This is getting a bit painful.
Another voter says a tabulator spat out her Sharpie vote w/an error message. She & a poll worker reviewed it, tried again.
On advice of the worker, she then pushed the green (go) button.
Did she have any reason to think her vote wasn't counted?
No.


Another Trump witness:
Says his Sharpie ballot got an error message.
The poll worker told him not to worry & hit green button for him.
He fears his vote for Trump wasn't counted.
Why?
"Based on what I believe w/the machine showing an error...I don't trust machines that much."
"

http://twitter.com/alanfeuer/status/1326992844066840581

TLDR: it's nothing, there's nothing to the case

i wonder if the lawyers are thinking 'well this is all obvious bullshit but we gotsta get paid!'

or perhaps just a way to get googling "sharpiegate" to point to something other than Trump's drawing on a hurricane map
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 22:26:11
over on Parler (where cultists are moving as Twitter too mean to them), a Fox host pushing that voting machine software stuff that OAN talking about:

http://twitter.com/yashar/status/1327069514563928066
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 22:30:35
probably related...

heaps of people from gov't acronyms released a statement:

http://www...-coordinating-council-election

with this in bold:
"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 12 23:41:34
"These states in question should immediately be put in the Trump Win column. Biden did not win, he lost by a lot!"
~ Trump's response to a Hannity segment on that alleged voter software stuff

that's not how winners are declared, lil Donnie... he's like a toddler... that applies sooo often...

Hannity says all of GA counties used it

well they are doing a hand recount, so i guess we'll get some kind of answer (beyond all the agencies saying it didn't happen)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 12:30:53
"
For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!
"
~ guy losing his mind as he types

false, false, false, & false
habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 12:44:38
Tw, So leading democratic figures havnt claimed elections are unfair?

I think the most telling is the gallup poll where after democratic voters thought Biden won their opinions on if we have free and fair elections went from 45% ish to 90%.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 12:44:49
more entries from kayleigh's stack of papers allegedly showing fraud (actually not sure she even claimed it showed fraud... but she was impressed w/ the stack of papers):


"
A GOP poll watcher who said she was told by a Democratic poll watcher to “Go back to the suburbs, Karen."
"

&

"
A GOP poll watcher noticed many military absentee ballots showed votes for Democrats.

"I had always been told that military people tended to be conservative, so this stuck out to me," the poll watcher said.
"

give those states to Trump!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 12:57:04
"New: A Michigan judge has rejected a GOP effort to stop the certification of election results in Wayne County pending an audit — "sinister, fraudulent motives were ascribed ... Plaintiffs' interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible"

[has excerpt + link to full judge opinion document]

http://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1327315886802341889

it notes the complainers didn't attend some orientation day thing where they could've learned the process & had questions answered

so like i guessed somewhere, seems like a bunch of cultists who had no idea what the rules were going in & being unhappy they didn't get to do as much interfering as they hoped
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 13:07:16
"Tw, So leading democratic figures havnt claimed elections are unfair? "

i don't know what specifically you are referring to


Trump claims:
"For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. "

i am 100% certain it's Trump who has been preaching elections rigged for years

2016 was about Russian interference & effects, not rigging
habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 13:09:06
How is interference different from rigging? is it just who is doing the rigging?
habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 13:11:56
How about gerrymandering? voter suppression?

At the very least all of these issues are in the same genre as they weaken confidence that we have free and fair elections.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 13:15:25
interference doesn't mean altering votes corruptly, it was about influencing people (and anyone saying ads & social media campaigns have zero influence are idiots... why does every politician & company pay huge amounts on it)

Trump is the ONLY one saying our elections are totally fraudulent (& does so EVERY time)
(plus his disgraceful propaganda team & cultists who believe him)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 13:28:11
"
Heartwarming to see all of the tremendous support out there, especially the organic Rallies that are springing up all over the Country, including a big one on Saturday in D.C. I may even try to stop by and say hello. This Election was Rigged, from Dominion all the way up & down!
"
~ the mad king

seems going all in on Dominion (software) now that all the prior stuff failing


which, if you missed it, is about this (basically guaranteed nonsense) that he got from OANN:
"
“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion @OANN
"
-------

even Steve Doocy (a Fox & Friend) seemed to not be buying it:

“I looked into it,” Doocy noted, apparently reading from a New York Times article. “With that Dominion software, five counties in Michigan and Georgia had problems. And the Dominion software was used in two of the counties and in every instance, largely it was human error, a problem, but the software did not affect the vote counts.”

http://www...conspiracy-pushed-by-fox-stars
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 14:22:47
More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel

http://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1327270958709805056

the least responsible person on the planet
that's our 'president'!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 15:33:16
well shithead is speaking... supposed to be giving update on vaccine, but politicizing as expected, lying as expected, being a petty dick as expected

having him speak is the dumbest possible thing to do... again undermining faith in the vaccine process by claiming he sped it up massively
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