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patom
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Thu Nov 12 04:34:40
example in mask wearing working out for the country?
habebe
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Thu Nov 12 05:38:30
N95 masks? because Im no sure that the cloth masks are super effective.
patom
Member
Thu Nov 12 06:30:21
Holding super spreader events all over America. Telling his adoring followers that they have nothing to fear from Covid 19. Do nothing to protect yourselves. Be brave.
habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 06:46:23
http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

Nothing new, we have known about the limitations of cloth masks.for a while.

Superspreader events like riots?
patom
Member
Thu Nov 12 08:42:37
We also have known for a while that NO mask has No limitations.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 12 09:05:21
trump is great role model in what not to do since he catches covid.. leading by example

otoh americas second wave follows nationwide blm riots/protests.. and currently democrats are out partying in streets ignoring social distancing
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Nov 12 09:17:01
We know for a fact that cloth masks with multiple layers are effective in limiting the spread of droplets when talking, coughing, and sneezing, which is the main transmission vector for this virus. Standard medical surgical masks are considered better, but not by a massive margin. N95 masks are the best and should be used by people in high risk situations, but they are also the most difficult to properly use.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Nov 12 09:22:50
Note that Retard Rod 2.0's article is from 2015 and is not dealing with this virus. It's also talking about cloth mask use in high risk, medical situations.

In the note published regarding that article and the current SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, we have...

"It is important to note that some subjects in the control arm wore surgical masks, which could explain why cloth masks performed poorly compared to the control group. We also did an analysis of all mask wearers, and the higher infection rate in cloth mask group persisted. The cloth masks may have been worse in our study because they were not washed well enough – they may become damp and contaminated. The cloth masks used in our study were products manufactured locally, and fabrics can vary in quality. This and other limitations were also discussed."
werewolf dictator
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Thu Nov 12 09:26:01
the est 23.2k excess winter deaths in england and wales in the 2018-2019 winter was lowest in 4 years.. for usa deaths attrubutable to cold in normal year is ~100k and can be expected to be much worse with novel coronavirus thriving in cold weather

so how do you think biden fighting to keep the planet cold is going to work out
habebe
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Thu Nov 12 09:27:00
Apparently pwdowoo cant read.... " for a while"

Do you know what that means?
Wrath of Orion
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Thu Nov 12 09:29:28
Again, you're avoiding the actual points and being a retard. Congrats.

Please try posting something correct for a change.
habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 10:10:22
I dont readmost of your posts. You rarely make a valid point.

What you do is make up arguments that you ASSUME someone is making and than attack it with no evidence and then claim to be a gangster passing out beatdowns on these boards.

You seem to make.a big deal about it being from 2015. As.if I didn't point out that this was " nothing new" and has been " a while" that we have known the limitations.

Your next point is that it's un a medical enviroment. Ok so they are in an enviroment where it would be reasonable to estimatenthey come in greater contact with diseases.Its also likley that these environments will see stricter adherence to using them properly.

You havnt provided ANY evidence.to the contrary of my point which is that cloth masks have limitations. Thats it.

But you in typical fashion will try to find something wrong with a detail of someone's post and claim you " beat them down" cause your gangsta like that?

If your so gangsta I dont know what your these boards, go run the streets , were already terrified of you.
Wrath of Orion
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Thu Nov 12 11:22:33
lol, what a mentally dysfunctional post that was, Retard Rod 2.0.

To start with, comparing one situation (medical environments) to another (the average person out and about) is not a good comparison to make. Many of the factors those conclusions are based on change. Second, that study is from 2015 and was not written for the current pandemic virus and the associated conditions.
Third, that study is far from conclusive and is very clear about its own limitations (I posted the note from the authors relating to the pandemic and their article).

So right there, your own evidence about cloth masks not being "super effective" is in question. Not only that, your point with that comment was to clearly indicate that it's your belief cloth masks are part of the problem with the surge in the outbreaks (again, as a passive attempt at defending Trump like the Trump fluffer you are).

Next, nobody here is claiming cloth masks are as good as N95 masks. But we know from plenty of studies, and pretty much every health official comment on this, that cloth masks (especially two or more layers) are very effective at containing the majority of larger droplets that come from talking, coughing, and sneezing.

So they are effective and cloth masks are NOT contributing to the issues were seeing. People not wearing masks are contributing to the issue. Trump's people. And so Trump fluffers like you who keep doing these retarded mental gymnastics to try and defend his bullshit and inaction on this virus.
habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 11:24:42
All I claimed was this

"Nothing new, we have known about the limitations of cloth masks.for a while."

Are you claiming that cloth masks do not have any limitations? if not what are you arguing against? shadow arguments that you make up.
Wrath of Orion
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Thu Nov 12 11:28:31
Bullshit you disingenuous retard.

Title and OP: How is following Trump's example in mask wearing working out for the country?

You: N95 masks? because Im no sure that the cloth masks are super effective.

That is you very obviously defending Trump by making the implication that cloth masks are not that effective and are playing a role in the surge we're seeing.

That is what you were claiming. That you're walking it back now means nothing.
Habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 11:46:30
It is not disputed that n95 masks are.more effective than a piece of cloth.

Ive seen diffetent studies suggest different effectiveness from cloths masks.

You guessing what I'm thinking and making it out as.MY arguments is what you do alot.You assume somebody is arguing something they never said and argue against it.

I cant beleive you think all trees are glow in the dark yellow, you fucking retard.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Nov 12 11:51:21
So let's be clear here. Do you believe the use of cloth masks is contributing (in some significant way) to the surge in positive cases? Here is your chance to answer simply and clearly.
Habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 12:29:18
The use of cloth masks in lieu of nothing? Or N95 masks.

It is my personal beleif that N95 masks are effective at helping* control the spread if used appropriately.

Cloth masks may help lessen droplets and sneezes.etc. but if it's spread through the air as I beleive it is I'm not sure how effective they are.

Im not saying they are not beneficial, I just don't know that they are and if So to what degree.

I rarely go out anymore, but when I do I have from one had medical grade masks with the little respirator jawn on them.My cousins ex husband sent them to my whole family in January.
Habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 12:29:18
The use of cloth masks in lieu of nothing? Or N95 masks.

It is my personal beleif that N95 masks are effective at helping* control the spread if used appropriately.

Cloth masks may help lessen droplets and sneezes.etc. but if it's spread through the air as I beleive it is I'm not sure how effective they are.

Im not saying they are not beneficial, I just don't know that they are and if So to what degree.

I rarely go out anymore, but when I do I have from one had medical grade masks with the little respirator jawn on them.My cousins ex husband sent them to my whole family in January.
Habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 12:29:20
The use of cloth masks in lieu of nothing? Or N95 masks.

It is my personal beleif that N95 masks are effective at helping* control the spread if used appropriately.

Cloth masks may help lessen droplets and sneezes.etc. but if it's spread through the air as I beleive it is I'm not sure how effective they are.

Im not saying they are not beneficial, I just don't know that they are and if So to what degree.

I rarely go out anymore, but when I do I have from one had medical grade masks with the little respirator jawn on them.My cousins ex husband sent them to my whole family in January.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Nov 12 12:45:10
"Cloth masks may help lessen droplets and sneezes.etc. but if it's spread through the air as I beleive it is I'm not sure how effective they are."

There is conflicting evidence about whether there is significant spread through true airborne transmission. But we have seen social distancing and non-N95 masks (including properly constructed cloth masks) are effective at combatting the spread of the virus, so that indicates airborne transmission is probably not the primary vector for this virus.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Nov 12 12:49:35
From what I see of the evidence, my guess is that while airborne transmission is possible, it's not a big risk in places that are taking appropriate precautions (reduced capacity, increased ventilation, etc.).

We also know that the current surge is being driven mainly by three things: super-spreader events, people that believe Trump and refuse to wear masks, and people that wear masks in public but drop their guard when they have a small gathering of family and/or friends.
habebe
Member
Thu Nov 12 12:53:32
That sounds reasonable.
Dakyron
Member
Fri Nov 13 09:24:41
"people that wear masks in public but drop their guard when they have a small gathering of family and/or friends"

So pretty much everyone.
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