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Dukhat
Member
Fri Nov 13 02:48:58
The final EV count in both the 2016 and 2020 elections.

Only Trump won 306 EV despite losing the popular vote by 2 million and Biden won desp ... oh wait he won it by over 5 million.

The electoral college is fucked up.

And Californians count as people too to shitheads like Foreskin (who claim to be libertarians) who think losing hugely there shouldn't count. One person, one vote is a fundamental concept of real civil libertarians you piece of shit.
habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 06:23:32
Yes, CA count too. But if you find it important to cite useless numbers such as the popular vote its valid to point out that Bidens lead is basically.the difference in CA.Why? because other than CA its an almost exactly 50/50 split nation and CA is super far.to.the left, he'll its still pretty much a 50/50 split nation , who knows how many people didn't vote Trump because the media.and Polls said he had no chance.to win.
obaminated
Member
Fri Nov 13 06:41:12
Cuckhat doesnt understand how american politics works. He thinks the popular vote matters in presidential elections.
Daemon
Member
Fri Nov 13 07:16:20
"because other than CA its an almost exactly 50/50 split nation"

California is left, 64% Biden on the Fox map. But how does it matter? Does it matter that West Virginia is 68% Trump?
chuck
Member
Fri Nov 13 08:04:59
California is 64% ILLEGAL votes, Daemon.
TJ
Member
Fri Nov 13 08:22:49
Nothing is perfect in this world.

Abolishing the Electoral College would worsen political polarization and partisanship into a constant division of States. If you think it is bad today it would be a constant environment by its elimination. It is the only uniting connection between States.

The process is an intricate part of making and maintaining the divided into a single unit known as the United States. The idea rests in equal representation for States and like it or not, it is the vital mechanism. Pros and cons considered.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Nov 13 08:30:38
No it's not. Only one office in our democracy is not elected by the popular vote. The electoral college is a fucking abomination. The only people that feel that way are fucking retarded people in rural areas (not all people in rural areas, just the retarded ones) who believe Trump's lies.

Fuck those retards.
TJ
Member
Fri Nov 13 08:33:24
"No it's not. Only one office in our democracy is not elected by the popular vote."

True, they are isolated to the individual State.
patom
Member
Fri Nov 13 08:56:12
Habebe "who knows how many people didn't vote Trump because the media.and Polls said he had no chance.to win."

quite a few did that in 16. Which gave it to Trump. Lots of people sat on their ass thinking Clinton had it in the bag.
Habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 09:27:06
In all fairness. I'm not so sure the popular.vote for Senators was a great move, it didnt used to be by popular vote.

Daemon, it matters.because the 4-5 million gap in the pop vote is about equal to the discrepancy in CA.

Does.it make them count less? No. But when your discussing a useless metric what is the matter of putting it into context?
hood
Member
Fri Nov 13 09:31:48
States should follow suit with maine/nebraska (I think its those 2?) and not go winner-take-all for the state. Combined with fair districts that aren't gerrymandered, the hypothetical protection of the EC (which failed its duty by voting for Trump, but whatever) exists while also not giving a particularly small subsection of the US population inordinate power in presidential elections.

But, of course, republicans wouldn't go for that. They'd probably still lose.
Dakyron
Member
Fri Nov 13 09:34:46
The purpose of the EC is to give smaller states a legit voice in the democratic process, which means it IS working in that way, although the other job is to avoid candidates like Trump, so they did fail their duty in that way.
Habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 09:34:54
Hood, The problem with the Maine/Nebraska idea is that " safe" states lile CA and TX, NY won't go for that if it risks benefiting the other side.Maybe* if the bulk of states did it at the same time.
hood
Member
Fri Nov 13 10:25:21
"The purpose of the EC is to give smaller states a legit voice in the democratic process"

No, that's the purpose of the senate. The purpose of the EC is to give a buffer between the public voters and electing a tyrant.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Nov 13 13:55:34
http://twi...status/928325667556548608?s=21

Massive electoral college landslide
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 13 14:02:30
CNN's montage of Trump calling his 306 a landslide / massive landslide

http://twitter.com/Trump_Detester/status/1327334619990077443
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Nov 13 14:10:59
Well maybe it is not massive as Donald describes it, and I get that some expected a Reagan carter type trashing, but this a solid victory, and if only America was capable of counting the votes, there wouldn’t be this narrative of razor thin win margin. Some states are counting their votes pretty fast, why can’t all states do it? Biden won by >70 EC votes, he flipped five large states that matter, and got 5 mil more votes.
obaminated
Member
Fri Nov 13 14:13:56
Trump isnt a tyrant, so the EC is working, glad you agree hood.
Dakyron
Member
Fri Nov 13 14:14:59
"No, that's the purpose of the senate. The purpose of the EC is to give a buffer between the public voters and electing a tyrant. "

It can have more than one reason.
sam adams
Member
Fri Nov 13 14:48:27
City weenies should count less. Let the fighters guard the walls.
habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 19:21:24
CR, Do you mean Mondale? that was a fucking landslide, 525-13.

Thats why Reagan gets ride velociraptors while shooting commies with a sub machine gun.
habebe
Member
Fri Nov 13 19:32:42
http://www...&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=v9RWJTxGi51fKM
Y2A
Member
Fri Nov 13 21:21:42
With NY and assorted blue state mail-in ballots still to be counted that number could be more like Biden +6M given the current numbers.
Y2A
Member
Fri Nov 13 21:32:54
The clowns have now lost the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 elections.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Nov 13 22:51:01
It would be to easy to have an actual federalist system and let Californian shitholes largely govern themselves.

We have to hand all power to a massive DC government under a tyranny of the majority, led by a Californian majority.

Thanks, Cuckhat
Dukhat
Member
Fri Nov 13 23:56:02
lol, because Californians are that different from normal Americans? You're just a reactionary cunt like all the other cuckservatives. The libertarian label disappeared as you drank the far-right echo chamber kool aid you stupid motherfucker.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Nov 14 00:18:50
Lol. California teams up with the ATF to cage Americans for having 30rd mags. They fund sex hormones for children with taxpayer money. Shitholes like SanFran blame their deficits on "inequality".

California is the opposite of libertarianism in every aspect. Even their social liberalism is rooted in rancid, collective, usually outright racist ideology.

If that makes me reactionary, so be it. Fuck off with your supposed mandate to spread your faggotry across the nation.
smart dude
Member
Sat Nov 14 00:46:21
Make Biden president now.

Nancy Pelosi resigns as Speaker, House chooses Biden as new Speaker of the House.

Trump resigns, and President Pence pardons Trump.

Pence resigns and Biden becomes president.

Trump gets his pardon, and Pence gets to be president for a couple days (his face will get printed on coins and shit from now on). Everyone wins, and the country doesnt have to put up with 2 months of Trump being the WORST lame duck in the history of American politics in the middle of a huge pandemic.

306-232. A LANDSLIDE by Trump's own admission. Lets make it happen.
Paramount
Member
Sat Nov 14 04:23:57
It looks like Joe Biden won a landslide victory. Trump lost biggly. He may actually be the biggest loser in history. I think Iit will be written in the history books.
patom
Member
Sat Nov 14 04:38:07
Speaking of pardons. How can you pardon anyone for a crime they haven't been convicted of?
smart dude
Member
Sat Nov 14 05:15:19
"How can you pardon anyone for a crime they haven't been convicted of?"

Sounds dumb, but there is precedent. Ford dud it for Nixon.
habebe
Member
Sat Nov 14 05:31:38
CA was once a great state. But its literally a failed state these days.

Hordes of homeless.

Quality citizens leaving a sinking boat.

Can't manage forest fires.

Rolling blackouts during good weather.

Maybe they paid off Oregon to legalize hard drugs, that would have been the smartest move theyve made in a while.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sat Nov 14 05:41:37
CA does not know how to rake the woods.
patom
Member
Sat Nov 14 05:41:46
habebe, why is it that you Republicans think that California is the only state with homeless people. Take a short ride to Myrtle Beach. They are wandering all over the place panhandling.

Too bad Calif. can't round up all the homeless and put them in the forest with rakes to rake up all those messy leaves.

Shame that hard drugs are only a problem in Blue States.
McKobb
Member
Sat Nov 14 13:09:12
Hood:
"The purpose of the EC is to give smaller states a legit voice in the democratic process"

No, that's the purpose of the senate. The purpose of the EC is to give a buffer between the public voters and electing a tyrant.

^^^^^^ this
habebe
Member
Sat Nov 14 13:15:06
Tom, CA has by amd large the largest chunk of homeless people and tent cities.IIRC its approaching 1/3 of the natiins homeless.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 14 13:26:40
http://www...g=AOvVaw2aQXKvfP-Hmo6bWLthP7Kd

As of January 2019, 27% of US homeless were in CA.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 14 13:30:16
For more anecdotal evidence you tube " Joe Rogan homeless"

Ut here is one of many.


http://youtu.be/CJU1bQ4Pq6Q
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 14 13:32:02
CA isn't creating all the homeless, homeless move (or are moved) to CA
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 14 14:44:20
Some may move there after being homeless, but the vast majority are not random homeless people just deciding to move to CA.

A sizeable minority at best.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Nov 14 15:06:58
http://www...hs-about-californias-homeless/
habebe
Member
Sat Nov 14 15:09:09
Holy shit, woo and I appear to agree on this.
chuck
Member
Sat Nov 14 17:14:57
> It would be to easy to have an actual federalist system and let Californian shitholes largely govern themselves.

100% agreed, it would be easy to have an actual federalist system and let Kentuckian shitholes largely govern themselves.
patom
Member
Sat Nov 14 17:16:00
With winter coming on I expect that a goodly number of Homeless in Maine will manage to move south for the winter. There are probably quite a few in other parts of the country that will travel to California. Been going on for decades. Just like it did when the midwest suffered from the Dust Bowl in the 30's.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Nov 14 17:34:10
"100% agreed, it would be easy to have an actual federalist system and let Kentuckian shitholes largely govern themselves."

Glad to see the endorsement of originalist SCOTUS justices
habebe
Member
Sat Nov 14 17:51:04
PAtom, Not sure a huge amount of Homeless travel 100s or thousands of miles seasonally. now olenty of them go to jail, and atleast in Philly a lot to sober houses and halfway houses.
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