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Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:27:25
I say issues because people will bitch if you don't seperate fraud from interference and ineptitude. Whatever.

http://www...unted-ballots-two-counties.amp

Thousands more ballots found uncounted in GA. Not enough tonchange an election nut more than the 10s to maybe hundreds" you hear the media argue that an audit/recount will find.

Enough to cast doubt in the minds.of millions that our election process gets a c+ at best.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:31:58
Only in the minds of millions of retards like you. One county in one state made a mistake regarding the uploading of a file from a memory card to the unofficial tally.

Once you find more evidence of issues like that, let us know.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:33:54
Rather a couple counties, with one county being the major mistake and others being extremely minor. There are small issues like this in all elections. Audits usually find them in the states that do audits (which I think is quite a few).
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:35:42
Keep in mind that you never hear about most of these small issues because nobody is usually talking about the election at this point. We always find irregularities here and there with elections. It's part of the process.

The fact that you don't realize, or refuse to believe, this is quite telling.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Nov 18 12:35:54
An relevant question is, are all these irregularities more or less evenly spread between the two candidates, is it random?
jergul
large member
Wed Nov 18 12:38:07
For comparison, the components in the cellphone you are typing with have a typical failure rate of about 3%.

Graphic card QA gives you budget to premium graphic cards that are all identical save the failure rate on the cards.

150 million votes cast. Of course things are going to go wrong. Literally thousands of votes in 100ds of incidents.

The solution?

Well, disolve the union. Get down the number of people voting in each election. You will magically see far fewer miscounts in the country you end up belonging to.

Pfft.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:38:22
Until any evidence of some kind of widespread conspiracy is shown, the default position would be that they are random. They happen in every election because, shock of shocks, people make mistakes.
jergul
large member
Wed Nov 18 12:40:00
Nimi
Its probably not a revelant metric. Education levels are far lower and opiate abuse far higher in GOP leaning states.

A higher failure for trump heavy votes would just prove what we know. Trump supporters are fucking stupid.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Nov 18 12:48:51
WoO
Ok, mistakes should occur randomly. These kinda of social and political problems don’t go away by applying scientifi reasoning, ”until evidence of such..”. So, one way would be to show the mistakes are random. For the good of the nation.
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:51:26
@jergul


Says a guy who's nations IQ rates have been plummeting since the 90s.
jergul
large member
Wed Nov 18 12:51:31
Nimi
Human error rates are not randomly distributed.
jergul
large member
Wed Nov 18 12:52:34
Habebe
Case in point. I explained that post to you painstakingly. And yet, a month later, you show you understood nothing.
Paramount
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:52:49
This is probably things that you see in every election. Not sure that it is ”fraud” or a ”rigged election” because of that. It was likely a lot worse in 2016 when Trump was elected. Experts has said that this election was the most secure in history.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:53:03
"So, one way would be to show the mistakes are random. For the good of the nation."

We're beyond that now. Look at the Trump fluffers on this board. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will convince them the election wasn't rigged. They are retarded beyond all hope of help or recovery.
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 18 12:57:43
Nimi, For the purposes of thos excersize it really isnt that important. Trump is pretty much saying " Fuck your couch"

I dount he plans to win at this point, but to sow doubt in the election like the " muh Russia" nonsense did to his.

It also refutes the narrative the media keeps repeating of " zero evidence of fraud/misgivings"

Its common knowledge that in 51 simultaneous elections your going to find SOME shit. Which is why if the media was being fair they would have said Trumps claims are blown out of proportion, but they cant help themselves.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 13:05:18
Retard Rod 2.0 is wrong again, like usual.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 13:07:44
Btw, I've been watching a lot of media from various sources lately, and the statements are more like, "There is zero of evidence of the election being rigged. Zero evidence of widespread voter fraud or issues that would impact the election results in any way."

They all seem to say that we have irregularities in every election. Which is true. All of the above is true, and that's what I hear over and over from a variety of news sources.

So yeah, wrong again.
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 18 13:14:16
Ive also been watching a lot of news from.a lot of sources and from what I see they say that about half the time using words like " widespread" the other half is terms like " completely unsubstantiated"

And no, I'm not going to skim.through 50 news clips to provide you evidence. Its not that deep to me.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 18 13:18:16
Both of those are also accurate. The President's claims are completely unsubstantiated. Case after case has been either dropped or laughed out of court. A collection of election officials and security experts issued a statement that his was the most secure election over and that there is no evidence of massive voter fraud.

So you're correct, they're saying those things, and those things are accurate. Thanks for backing me up and walking back your bullshit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 18 13:24:19
"The President's claims are completely unsubstantiated. Case after case has been either dropped or laughed out of court."

+ Trump completely misrepresents what's in the cases as he can't be bothered to learn facts

constant total bullshit
Dakyron
Member
Wed Nov 18 13:24:56
I would blame COVID and general incompetence of poll workers, who are usually like 70 years old with a few hours of training.

I don't know how Georgia does it, but here all the in-person votes are tabulated immediately after voting(the ballot is placed directly into the counting machine), and the data is stored on a data card.

An hour after polls close, the data is transmitted to a central database, which is released to the public.

Early ballots and mail-in ballots are stored in giant Tupperware looking boxes in a warehouse. They are opened, signature confirmed, and run through the machine. That data is uploaded after a set number of batches of ballots.

So, misplacing a memory card during the chaos of election night is not unheard of, but the fact that no one knew it was missing for a week is concerning.

When I worked the 2008 election, I had to wait at a collection site until 3 AM because some fucktard at another polling place couldn't find the precinct data card. Ended up the senile piece of shit had actually taken it home! We had to go to his house, get it, and then drive it downtown.

So these things happen, and its not some vast conspiracy but some individual making really poor decisions and then not telling anyone.

Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 18 13:49:37
TW, Trump is a firm believer in appearances. All he has to do is make the appearance of shenanigans.Like Muh Russia.

People like you and woo will never be swayed, but your DNC flutters. He only has to cast doubt in his supporters and moderates.

Considering election confidence generally follows wether or not your guy wins and moderate appearance of shenanigans, he is doing fine in twrms of scorched earth.
hood
Member
Wed Nov 18 14:06:22
"he is doing fine in twrms of scorched earth."

Republican mindset of the past decade has never been so finely encapsulated in 1 sentence.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Nov 19 06:43:40
Jergul
”Trump supporters are fucking stupid.”

I don’t want to go down this path. I especially do not want to do this with you. I pleaded with the Trumpicans on this forums to not pull on the pendulum, that they should worry about what would come after Trump. I would plead with you the same.

No one cares, and everyone is conviced they will win and that history will vindicate their path to victory.
chuck
Member
Thu Nov 19 06:54:44
Habebe
> he is doing fine in twrms of scorched earth.

That you think convincing half of Americans they can't trust elections is fine, just another fine strategy, is disappointing.

Why would any Trumpers bother to vote in 2024 if they know "the points are made up and the score doesn't matter?"
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 19 07:10:50
if democrats and deep state can't be relied upon to massively cheat to ensure defeat of orange hitler [or trump of tw's descriptions].. then they aren't morally worthy of being in power

in that case.. give the election to the greens or socialists or libertarians etc
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 19 07:21:24
how can america be so morally bankrupt that it has all these lori laughlin parents who will cheat to get kids into prestigious schools

and baseball players who cheat with performing enhancing drugs

and all these people who will cheat on their spouse

but have hardly anyone decent enough who will cheat to defeat orange *hitler*
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 19 07:44:40
hillary will cheat to keep bernie out of power.. and bill will cheat with monica lewinski

but nobody will cheat to stop orange hitler

unbelievable
chuck
Member
Thu Nov 19 08:02:20
A triple post about orange Hitler, WD? Usually people beat dead horses instead of strawmen.

Is everything okay? Are you having trouble making rent this month?

UP is here to help. We don't want to see you thrown out a window. If you need us to act persuaded, we'll do it. Because that's what friends do.
patom
Member
Thu Nov 19 08:03:55
As much as I dislike Trump, what amazed me is how close the election was.
It made me realize that in a way I'm thankful that Trump's idiotic response to the Covid Pandemic is what cost him the election. If he had been absolutely honest and backed the 'Real' experts in the field. Gone on a wartime footing in the battle against Covid. Many of those who voted for Biden would have voted for Trump.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 19 08:20:14
its hardly a strawman with antifa.. and patom calling people brownshirts and posting articles from local newspaper how it [hitler] almost happened here etc

logically its impossible not to believe that the democratic party [full of cheaters as russians helped whistleblow in 2016 etc] cheated to stop such a hated fascist hitleresque figure [according to democrats own professions of beliefs]

its not the crime its the coverup

and triple posts are normal on up.. see thread

werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 19 08:36:40
http://youtu.be/kyUp5LqTlEU

^christiann amanpour doing the trump = hitler thing on cnn just days ago.. not a strawman but as mainstream as it gets
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