Utopia Talk / Politics / Your insane to ever question election in

Habebe Member	Wed Nov 25 01:19:51 http://www...o-election-hacking-documentary If you do your diminidhing trust in the system. You must have a blind faith.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Nov 25 01:54:19 because Trump is merely bringing up legitimate concerns, right?
Hrothgar Member	Wed Nov 25 02:03:05 I think this article counters this pretty well at how most of the weaknesses in the article were countered. http://www...-coordinating-council-election
habebe Member	Wed Nov 25 02:11:18 "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised." They put that in BOLD text. That is either a lie or atleast misleading. We know for a.fact that 6k votes DID change. It was nearly immediately caught and was not reflected in officially reported totals, but none the less, at the very least they start off misleading to push a narrative. tw, Absolutley not. I admit Trumps hyperbole exxagerates the actual evidence and at times asserts suspicion to be fact. That however does not mean this election should be thoroughly examined. And not jusr Dems. Look at the South Fla. race where its suspected Republicans added pretty much random names to skim handfuls of votes ( allegedly) But just as Trump is wrong to overstate his claims, the reverse doesnt help either.
habebe Member	Wed Nov 25 02:14:06 "When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.” This is also from Hrothgars link. What a crock of shit. Trust us, we wouldnt lie to you, were your government does not exude confidence in me. Just as Trump claiming anything did not exude confidence in TW.
habebe Member	Wed Nov 25 02:16:20 http://images.app.goo.gl/nDTrzMiXgT5xBzJt6
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 25 02:58:09 >>I admit Trumps hyperbole exxagerates the actual evidence and at times asserts suspicion to be fact.<< And this is retarded level inappropriate, because (to tie it to your OP) it diminishes trust in the process. He is spreading fake news to push a narrative to hold on to power, not some benign lesson to remain vigilant and safe guard the democratic process. BS in BS out.
habebe Member	Wed Nov 25 03:17:13 Nimatzo, My point is the response is equally as insane. Now TW will have a fit about equivelance but These people saying "When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.” Amongst the other exaggerations, its equally fucked up. They often disregard actual voting shenanigans I beleive in the fear that bringinf them to light will add to other sides narrative even if it's a very minor discrepancy. And thenUS government has an atrocious record of shenanigans. People on this very board have called me a crazy conspiracy theorist for arguing that most reasonable evidence points out that the CDC lied to the public about masks early on so as to not have a panic buy on ppe needed for medical workers. But id you follow the evidence, it clearly seems plausible at the very least.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 25 03:23:28 Habebe Only if you listen to insane people. Having said that, "there was no voter fraud" is still closer to the truth than "this election was stolen". Because while there were irregularities it is no where near stolen election territory. And this shouldn't be that hard to accept, Trump is norm breaking even in his exaggerations and BS vending.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 25 03:24:33 It is a lesser of two lies.
patom Member	Wed Nov 25 04:53:02 Every election should be examined and gone over to look for glitches in the systems. That is what normal people do if they care about their process and wish to improve their process if possible. Case in point, we haven't heard shit about hanging chads from Florida or anywhere else for that matter since Bush beat Gore.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 25 06:25:59 "Having said that, "there was no voter fraud" is still closer to the truth than "this election was stolen". In that narrow view of it all, probably. Now, if thats the case though, in Trumps point of view, these are many of the same people who for four years have said Trump worked with Russia to steal the election with equivalent evidence to what we have in voter fraud. In other words, evidence currently suggests there was fraud, but no more than usual and not enough th change an election. Its also true that Russian people likely posted memes against Hillary but that it didnt change the election. Whomever dropped her emails to wikileaks, even if it was Russia *which was denied by wikileaks* isnt interference or fraud etc. Since they were actually her emails regarding the election.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Nov 25 07:24:10 Good morning, Retard Rod 2.0. I hope you have a great day!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 25 08:43:22 "In that narrow view of it all, probably." It isn't a narrow view, as far I am aware it has not been established that there has been _any_ fraud, there have been irregularities, yet to be established what the cause is. In light of that, to claim the election was stolen, when it seems to be like it has been in previous elections, is lunacy. The collusion people were morons, I can't deny that, but you are aware that several people tied to the Trump campaign were indicted, people have gone to Prison for "Russia gate"! This is a false equivivalency. Russiagate is a far bigger shitstain in your country's history, than the amount of fraud that has been established so far. And I don't that it is that big of a shitstain to begin with, but these are the margins of politics it seems. For these things to be comparable, we would have to have Biden officials go to prison in connection invetigation suspecting Biden of conspiring for massive voter fraud. I hate to have jinxed it, but do you honestly think that will happen? Anyway, the point is that and I think you know this, what Trump is doing in light of evidence is far worse than what the collusion people did. As much of a shitfest that it was, it was no different than the shitfest around Clinton lying about the blowjob. What Trump is doing is corrosive to the process and divisive. Some ungoldy portion of your population now believe the election was stolen. You understand that another time or another place and that leads to civil war.
TJ Member	Wed Nov 25 10:00:37 Lets stir the melting pot. http://www...uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf
Dakyron Member	Wed Nov 25 10:07:03 There were over 150 million votes cast. If you think that there would be no irregularities with that many votes, then you are as big a dumbass as Trump. Nonetheless, at the local level, elections are watched by both parties and by the nearby crazies. The idea of a widespread conspiracy to change actual votes is stupid. Plus Trump pushed the stolen election conspiracy before the voting even started since he knew he was likely to lose. Finally, again, in 2000 Dems pulled the same sort of shit about Bush stealing the election because of Diebold voting systems, etc, etc, etc...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Nov 25 11:48:41 "We know for a.fact that 6k votes DID change." not because of the election software that was just speculation by some GOP woman, & her made-up nonsense has been used as evidence by team garbage ever since to spin the whole Dominion narrative
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 26 09:24:03 TJ ”Lets stir the melting pot” Let’s actually have strong evidence and not melt the pot!
jergul large member	Thu Nov 26 09:37:07 TJ Toss the salad bowl?
TJ Member	Thu Nov 26 10:09:36 Nim: When you are barred from gathering additional (forensics) evidence there will always be doubt about the election being on the up and up. I would think that the left would welcome all doubt to be put aside. But, what the hell, it is what it is, eh? The affidavits are valid evidence and under the penalty of perjury. They are sufficient enough to draw suspicion and create doubt. It should be investigated to its fullest. I completely understand the globalist view in this unfortunate occurrence, which could have been easily avoided. The partisanship is too entrenched and not on a good trend for the Country or the World.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 26 11:39:06 Under the penalty of perjury, how many sworn testimonies do you gather there are for alien abductions? I didn’t say it wasn’t evidence, but testimony isn’t very strong evidence. People make mistakes, even in witnessing other people commit mistakes. Somebody sowed these seeds long before anyhing happened, you reap what you sow.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Nov 26 11:58:02 http://pbs...8AMZELd?format=jpg&name=medium
hood Member	Thu Nov 26 12:41:25 "They are sufficient enough to draw suspicion and create doubt." I read through some of the claims in the PDF. It's literally nothing. "They changed the reason for error" is not evidence of fraud. "Lots of people voted!" is not evidence of fraud. Nothing that I read was any, actual, tangible evidence. It was someone saying that things look suspicious. It's a very low bar to clear to submit to a court under penalty of perjury that you think something looks suspicious. Nobody is going to convict you of a crime unless there's hard evidence (letter, text, voice recording) of you admitting that it's all bullshit. The real issue here is that most people have no fucking idea what actual evidence is. Nim has it correct here: testimony is not strong evidence. Testimony that you think something is suspicious is even weaker evidence.
Wrath of Orion Member	Thu Nov 26 13:48:31 The cases have been laughed out of the courts. The bullshit fraud claims work on retard members of the public (see some members of this board), but they fall apart when taken to court where actual evidence is required. I'd say it has been investigated more than enough.
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